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Think Dallas had a really good draft this year. Would’ve preferred to pick up a clear number 2 WR but I wouldn’t be surprised to see us sign Keenan Allen on a 1 yr and roll with what we got.

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17 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

He and Williams are the same sort of guy, but Mafah doesn't have the knee injuries.  Ultimately, the Cowboys RB room is even more unknown than last year.  Blue is COP back and has ball security issues.  Good thing is a good coaching staff can correct his fumbling problems and he has juice but he's too small to take more than 10-12 touches a game on average.  Mafah and Williams are bruisers but lack burst and wiggle.  We still don't have a lead back, it's a room of RB2's, which hit was last year but at least Dowdle had the size and burst of a lead guy.  idk, I don't hate it, but I would have taken something in round 6, but RB is a place you can find a UDFA or guy off the garbage pile and to really help..... at least a good front office can.

Need a WR weapon or someone in that room will really need to improve.  

If Mafah didn't play with an injured shoulder last year, I think he pops off for huge numbers and gets drafted higher. Not saying he's the second coming of Campbell, but two years ago it was obvious that he should get the majority of the carries over Shipley who has become a great jack of all trades player for Philly. Could be worse for the end of the draft 

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On 4/26/2025 at 9:33 AM, DougO said:

Walker DT from Kentucky was a dude I was really hoping the Cowboys could pick up cheap. Big dude can move and mess shit up, super high ceiling. He gone. Fourth round. Furk.

yeah bud, you don’t sacrifice jonathan mingo for a big athletic DTs with super high ceilings.  pretty obvious why you’re not running a team. 

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10 hours ago, futureman said:

yeah bud, you don’t sacrifice jonathan mingo for a big athletic DTs with super high ceilings.  pretty obvious why you’re not running a team. 

Im cautiously optimistic on Mingo.  Everybody likes to bag on the trade, and I get why, but will wait to see how this year plays out before making a total judgement.  He was on a shit offense with terrible QB play in CAR. 

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I agree Mingo has potential to be worth the 4, but probably not better than that. It sucks that they didn't have that 4 to draft one of the plethora of far more complete RBs there with early starting potential, far better prospects than Blue, who will likely be a complimentary back that isn't the final answer. But Mingo has a long way to go toward proving he's at least worth that, and he still has massive bust potential as well if the problem proves to be his mental game.

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On 4/28/2025 at 9:18 AM, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Im cautiously optimistic on Mingo.  Everybody likes to bag on the trade, and I get why, but will wait to see how this year plays out before making a total judgement.  He was on a shit offense with terrible QB play in CAR. 

uh....

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Hopefully the new staff does away with one of the worst problems the team has had since Garrett: shitty wr coaches with simplistic high school route trees.  It’s part of the QB3 philosophy of JG, Linehan, Moore.  Add in the tolerance of lazy route running and Daks usual reluctance to use his receivers catch radius, the result is lesser WRs deliver lesser results.  

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18 hours ago, dcar00 said:

uh....

Oh c'mon even the biggest Dak hater isn't going to legit say the Carolina QB situation is better.

At some point ya'll gotta stop this "Dak is the worst QB in the history of EVAHHH" gimmick and realize that he's pretty darn good. Even if you don't think he's "good enough" to take them anywhere.

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1 hour ago, Texzilla58 said:

Hopefully the new staff does away with one of the worst problems the team has had since Garrett: shitty wr coaches with simplistic high school route trees.  It’s part of the QB3 philosophy of JG, Linehan, Moore.  Add in the tolerance of lazy route running and Daks usual reluctance to use his receivers catch radius, the result is lesser WRs deliver lesser results.  

Not sure what you mean by Dak's reluctance when he basically has the lowest "open Receiver" stats in the league. He's been dealing with WR's that simply can't separate his entire career outside of Amari and his elite route running.  Thats' why I'm still pissed they've done absolutely nothing to help the passing game with a speedy or good #2 WR so far.

And ya'll still forget he's actually made some mid to barely average WR's look much better.  Cooks was thought to be done when he got here, so was Cobb.  He helped both of them get paid again. Not to mention the TE's that have rolled thorugh here.

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2 minutes ago, Drew said:

Oh c'mon even the biggest Dak hater isn't going to legit say the Carolina QB situation is better.

At some point ya'll gotta stop this "Dak is the worst QB in the history of EVAHHH" gimmick and realize that he's pretty darn good. Even if you don't think he's "good enough" to take them anywhere.

The standard is a little different for the highest paid player in the league who accounts for nearly 20% of his team’s cap. Is he worth that?

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2 minutes ago, royiv said:

The standard is a little different for the highest paid player in the league who accounts for nearly 20% of his team’s cap. Is he worth that?

I'm not debating on his standard within the top of the league or if he's worth it. That's a useless debate that has no winner here. Fact is, he's a good QB even if you think he's overpaid.

But I was responding to the comment he made in regards to comparing Dak to whoever and the fuck is playing QB for Carolina.

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2 minutes ago, Drew said:

I'm not debating on his standard within the top of the league or if he's worth it. That's a useless debate that has no winner here. Fact is, he's a good QB even if you think he's overpaid.

But I was responding to the comment he made in regards to comparing Dak to whoever and the fuck is playing QB for Carolina.

Yeah, I hear you. I just think people, and I will include myself in that group, give Dak shit because he’s a highly overcompensated player that doesn’t have any skins to back it up. I think he’s decent, not necessarily good and definitely not great. He’s just too inconsistent. He’ll amaze you in a game and then the next week leaving you laughing at how ineffective he is. All that said, I don’t blame him for signing a ridiculous contract. I’d fleece Jerry, too, if I were in his shoes.

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3 minutes ago, royiv said:

Yeah, I hear you. I just think people, and I will include myself in that group, give Dak shit because he’s a highly overcompensated player that doesn’t have any skins to back it up. I think he’s decent, not necessarily good and definitely not great. He’s just too inconsistent. He’ll amaze you in a game and then the next week leaving you laughing at how ineffective he is. All that said, I don’t blame him for signing a ridiculous contract. I’d fleece Jerry, too, if I were in his shoes.

That's fine. He's better than "decent".  He's at worst a borderline Top 10-15 guy which puts him in good, but not elite company. And i have no problems shitting on him for not doing more or not being worth that contract. it's whatever.  The market rate is the rate.  And he's a good regular season QB who damned near won, and should have, the MVP 2 years ago. The playoffs is the only time you can really question him.

 

My problem is when chuckle fucks pretend a player going from fucking Carolina to Dallas hasn't improved their QB situation. That's just obscenely wrong, and obviously they're trolling or an idiot.

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Every QB contract that comes up will be the biggest contract ever and take up a big part of the cap. Someone would have paid him, the choice is whether to let him walk and start over, and the odds of finding the next big thing at QB in the draft is iffy at best, and very low for a team that is usually somewhere between 12 and 18 in the first round. For all of Jerry's faults, choosing to pay for a QB that has shown capabilities to be, at an absolute minimum, pretty damn good is not unreasonable. And yet again, spare me about "the cap," it's all enron accounting, no team has ever failed because of "the cap." The video was posted some time ago confirming what was stated above about Dak having the narrowest receiver windows, and it wasn't even close. Reminds me of everyone calling Romo a choker when he had the most lead taking 4th quarter drives for most of his career and people just ignoring that the defense would then immediately fold and give the lead back up leaving the offense in an all but impossible situation to take it back. The "Dak sucks" line is just tiring but I've stopped pretending it gets me anywhere in this thread. This is the most I've said about it in months. I'll maintain that it comes down primarily to coaching, and the Shottenheimer hire is by a million times more far dumber than paying Dak, because while someone would have paid Dak, literally nobody was interested in having Shottenheimer III as their head coach. Jerry's biggest fault is his ego which makes it impossible to hire any of the young up and coming coaches that are taking over the league, including through innovative offenses and not the same boring ass routes from Garrett, Moore, Fat Mike, etc.

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34 minutes ago, royiv said:

Yeah, I hear you. I just think people, and I will include myself in that group, give Dak shit because he’s a highly overcompensated player that doesn’t have any skins to back it up. I think he’s decent, not necessarily good and definitely not great. He’s just too inconsistent. He’ll amaze you in a game and then the next week leaving you laughing at how ineffective he is. All that said, I don’t blame him for signing a ridiculous contract. I’d fleece Jerry, too, if I were in his shoes.

you can absolutely win a super bowl with Dak if you have a top 5 running game and the best defense.

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3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

you can absolutely win a super bowl with Dak if you have a top 5 running game and the best defense.

You could say that about a whole lot of QBs.

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50 minutes ago, Drew said:

Not sure what you mean by Dak's reluctance when he basically has the lowest "open Receiver" stats in the league. He's been dealing with WR's that simply can't separate his entire career outside of Amari and his elite route running.  Thats' why I'm still pissed they've done absolutely nothing to help the passing game with a speedy or good #2 WR so far.

And ya'll still forget he's actually made some mid to barely average WR's look much better.  Cooks was thought to be done when he got here, so was Cobb.  He helped both of them get paid again. Not to mention the TE's that have rolled thorugh here.

It’s all a factor. Dak was groomed by career QB3’s who lived by the “don’t fuck it up” rule.  He did best with Kitna as his coach who taught him to trust his WRs to get the ball.  With Moore he was throttled back again.  Combine that with simplistic routes and WRs who aren’t great at separation, it’s a mess.

my issue with Dak is that somewhere in his brain he has a big game problem.  MVP-like reg seasons combined with terrible collapses in January.  He isn’t the guy that can will a team to win.  Few can but he hasn’t sniffed a champ game yet.

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On 4/26/2025 at 5:33 PM, Patrick Bateman said:

Blue is COP back and has ball security issues.  Good thing is a good coaching staff can correct his fumbling problems ...

One would think fear of losing his meal ticket should be enough motivation to fix that problem. Hopefully his coaches emphasize it and he takes it to heart.

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Dak doesn't suck, but he's absolutely not the producer he is paid to be.  Said it before the contract, not to do it.  Absolutely NOTHING has dissuaded that opinion since then, rather, Prescott has solidified the evidence.

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20 hours ago, dcar00 said:

you can absolutely win a super bowl with Dak if you have a top 5 running game and the best defense.

 

20 hours ago, royiv said:

You could say that about a whole lot of QBs.

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23 hours ago, Texzilla58 said:

It’s all a factor. Dak was groomed by career QB3’s who lived by the “don’t fuck it up” rule.  He did best with Kitna as his coach who taught him to trust his WRs to get the ball.  With Moore he was throttled back again.  Combine that with simplistic routes and WRs who aren’t great at separation, it’s a mess.

my issue with Dak is that somewhere in his brain he has a big game problem.  MVP-like reg seasons combined with terrible collapses in January.  He isn’t the guy that can will a team to win.  Few can but he hasn’t sniffed a champ game yet.

All that is very fair.  Can't really debate it a lot...he does not make a bunch of risky throws by design, but to pretend he WON'T when he's having to throw to the most covered group of WR's his entire career is a bit of a reach too.

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5 hours ago, Iceman said:

Dak doesn't suck, but he's absolutely not the producer he is paid to be.  Said it before the contract, not to do it.  Absolutely NOTHING has dissuaded that opinion since then, rather, Prescott has solidified the evidence.

Which is fair.  The problem is the ones who act like he's a fucking bum who stole money, when he literally just was the next to be paid on the never-ending cycle of "next man up" for the rising QB PayScale.

I'll never debate someone saying he's had issues in the post season or they're not sure he's enough to get them over the top.

Most QB's aren't. MOST QB's need help, either an elite defense or elite offensive weapons(see Hurts/Foles/Goff/Purdy, ect..).  Dak IS good enough to win a SB, but not to do it on his Own like Mahomes.  Hell neither is Josh Allen and damn sure not Lamar.  And they're ELITE

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3 minutes ago, DougO said:

Intradesting...

It's like the Cowboys traded themselves out of a potentially much greater draft, especially if Mingo doesn't show something we haven't seen as a Cowboy.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/dallas-cowboys-qb-joe-milton-205500022.html

 

Saw the same article but expanded a bit more.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dallas-cowboys-qb-joe-milton-is-not-a-good-dude-claims-patriots-source-after-trade

Seems like that's one guys take and not what the cowboys are reporting thus far.  

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"Player traded for a low draft pick despite high expectation is trashed on his way out the door"  

Typical stuff.  Might be true.  Who cares if it is...they traded an end of the round 5th for a potential backup and a top of the round 7th.  It's still a win of a trade regardless.

The Mingo pick is much more damning...cause they had a really good draft and could have been better with that 4th.

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17 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

That guy is the worst receiver I’ve ever seen.

I’ve seen way WAY worse.

 

 

of course, that doesn’t mean Pickens is good…

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32 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

That guy is the worst receiver I’ve ever seen.


Then you either never watch football or you are a retard. Or both. 

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Supposedly giving up a 3rd rounder and a pick swap with Pittsburgh. If Dak and Ceedee can keep his head in the game, this could work out well. 

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22 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Supposedly giving up a 3rd rounder and a pick swap with Pittsburgh. If Dak and Ceedee can keep his head in the game, this could work out well. 

Pickens is a fucking head case. I don’t like a 3 for him.

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32 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

Google “George Pickens bad plays”. There is lots of evidence this guy sucks ass and is a loser.

He's the second best offensive skill player on the team behind Ceedee. That's how fucking awful the Cowboys skill talent is. 

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Pickens is a top-quartile receiver when he is "on" and focused.  When he is not, he's about as effective as I am at WR.

He's a whiner and a head case most of the time.  As noted, though, the Steelers had Wilson and Fields as QB.  Dak is definitely superior to those guys.  The Steelers QB room looks worse this year, so Pickens' bitching might have escalated.

If Tomlin has lost patience with him, that should be a warning. 

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For Steelers, thats addition by subtraction. For Cowboys, thats someone who will help them dominate dogshit opponents but then compound their issue of lazy route running.

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Pickens is awesome I can’t believe Pittsburgh didn’t want him anymore. They could’ve had DK on the other side with him too. 

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26 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Pickens is awesome I can’t believe Pittsburgh didn’t want him anymore. They could’ve had DK on the other side with him too. 

 

George Pickens's catch percentage was 61.3% in 2024 with the Steelers. He had 65 catches from 106 targets. His drop percentage was also 13.2%, the highest among receivers with 100+ targets. 
 
 

 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He's the second best offensive skill player on the team behind Ceedee. That's how fucking awful the Cowboys skill talent is. 

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1 hour ago, lilMAC25 said:

Pickens is a fucking head case. I don’t like a 3 for him.

Can’t wait for him to blow up that first time and then cause locker room issues lol

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How George Pickens performs and behaves with the Cowboys is going to tell us a whole bunch about whether Brian Schottenheimer was the right hire.  Schottenheimer either gets Pickens in line and he forms the best WR duo in the league with CeeDee, or Schottenheimer fails to control him in the circus-like environment of the Dallas Cowboys and the trouble he causes far outweighs the production and headaches.  It's going to be fascinating.  Gotta give it up to Jerry for taking a big swing here.

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