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2 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

Ugg.  I'm pretty much in the camp that winning the line of scrimmage is what wins football games.  I don't see us winning the offensive line of scrimmage much against quality opponents with the guys we have. I wish somebody would convince me the pessimism is unwarranted.  Offensive line is the hardest unit to fix once it's broken.  There's just no quick fixes with freshman like you have at other positions. 

It's a good thing we are starting 4 Jr and Sr and 1 Soph this year then. I expect a leap forward on the OLine to becoming a solid unit. Last year was a perfect storm of injuries, youth, and Warehime. This year if we can even just stay healthy you should see huge improvement, not to mention better coaching by Hand.  

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44 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Drew Mehringer decided to make an example of Collin Johnson last year because he apparently, in Mehringer's world, got too full of himself and wasn't "aligned". Being buddies with Foreman didn't help him. The WR unit got the worst of the 2017 coaching premise that they were going to beat the shit out of the team until the entitlement wore away. The side effects of that approach included Hemphill-Mapps getting completely disenfranchised and randomly suspended on multiple occasions to the point where he checked out from attending classes by November; Devin Duvernay negging the program to recruits on official visits; and Collin Johnson losing track of which way was up and not knowing where the next kick to his crotch was coming from by the staff. The near total team revolt ahead of the Texas Bowl was a wake up to many on the staff, including Herman. 

Some lessons were learned, but not all of them. During film session with WR recruits and their dads this spring, allegedly, Mehringer made a point of talking shit about the existing talent, including Johnson, to the tune of turning the families off completely, or damn near so. 

I'm interested in seeing whether the coaches have improved on their personnel choices on offense this year. Last year was a fucking joke in term of selecting personnel. The number of empty sets in which we slotted out a non-functioning TE instead of rotating in another WR was astonishing. The amount of carries and snaps Kyle Porter received because he had "the right attitude" sent the message to everyone, fans included, that the best players won't often play. Naashon Hughes doing nothing for hours on the field while others rode pine. Taking forever to get Gary Johnson steadily on the field. The WR rotation overall was a fucking joke. I keep waiting to see Kyle Porter start creeping up the depth chart due to some amorphous notion associated to team spirit or "picking up the rush", which were used last year, even as he often failed to pick up the rush. If that dude remains 5th on the depth chart, and we hear about freshman getting 1st and 2nd team snaps on offense all over the field right up to Maryland, I'll start to think maybe we turned a corner.

Well, it’s certainly worse than I thought. I appreciate the insight, now if you’ll excuse me, I’m in dire need of a beta blocker.

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1 hour ago, Machinator said:

Most of what we saw today were short passes. So, there wasn’t much to take away.

Wonder what he means by short passes, which, ya know, make up a lot of what most offenses do in the passing game.

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57 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Drew Mehringer decided to make an example of Collin Johnson last year because he apparently, in Mehringer's world, got too full of himself and wasn't "aligned". Being buddies with Foreman didn't help him. The WR unit got the worst of the 2017 coaching premise that they were going to beat the shit out of the team until the entitlement wore away. The side effects of that approach included Hemphill-Mapps getting completely disenfranchised and randomly suspended on multiple occasions to the point where he checked out from attending classes by November; Devin Duvernay negging the program to recruits on official visits; and Collin Johnson losing track of which way was up and not knowing where the next kick to his crotch was coming from by the staff. The near total team revolt ahead of the Texas Bowl was a wake up to many on the staff, including Herman. 

Some lessons were learned, but not all of them. During film session with WR recruits and their dads this spring, allegedly, Mehringer made a point of talking shit about the existing talent, including Johnson, to the tune of turning the families off completely, or damn near so. 

I'm interested in seeing whether the coaches have improved on their personnel choices on offense this year. Last year was a fucking joke in term of selecting personnel. The number of empty sets in which we slotted out a non-functioning TE instead of rotating in another WR was astonishing. The amount of carries and snaps Kyle Porter received because he had "the right attitude" sent the message to everyone, fans included, that the best players won't often play. Naashon Hughes doing nothing for hours on the field while others rode pine. Taking forever to get Gary Johnson steadily on the field. The WR rotation overall was a fucking joke. I keep waiting to see Kyle Porter start creeping up the depth chart due to some amorphous notion associated to team spirit or "picking up the rush", which were used last year, even as he often failed to pick up the rush. If that dude remains 5th on the depth chart, and we hear about freshman getting 1st and 2nd team snaps on offense all over the field right up to Maryland, I'll start to think maybe we turned a corner.

All you ever do is bring me down. The Mavericks or something

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22 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Wonder what he means by short passes, which, ya know, make up a lot of what most offenses do in the passing game.

"As far as the run game is concerned, all we saw today were runs between the tackles, so not a lot to take away from that."

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2 hours ago, rickyspub said:

Every chased it with pickle juice? I knew some Russians in grad school who chased their vodka with it. Don't remember much about taste or anything else, I got drunk...but then back in those days I always did.

That's a standard option with whiskey and vodka at any bar in New York. Kills any alcohol taste so it's good for bad liquor.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Drew Mehringer decided to make an example of Collin Johnson last year because he apparently, in Mehringer's world, got too full of himself and wasn't "aligned". Being buddies with Foreman didn't help him. The WR unit got the worst of the 2017 coaching premise that they were going to beat the shit out of the team until the entitlement wore away. The side effects of that approach included Hemphill-Mapps getting completely disenfranchised and randomly suspended on multiple occasions to the point where he checked out from attending classes by November; Devin Duvernay negging the program to recruits on official visits; and Collin Johnson losing track of which way was up and not knowing where the next kick to his crotch was coming from by the staff. The near total team revolt ahead of the Texas Bowl was a wake up to many on the staff, including Herman. 

Some lessons were learned, but not all of them. During film session with WR recruits and their dads this spring, allegedly, Mehringer made a point of talking shit about the existing talent, including Johnson, to the tune of turning the families off completely, or damn near so. 

I'm interested in seeing whether the coaches have improved on their personnel choices on offense this year. Last year was a fucking joke in term of selecting personnel. The number of empty sets in which we slotted out a non-functioning TE instead of rotating in another WR was astonishing. The amount of carries and snaps Kyle Porter received because he had "the right attitude" sent the message to everyone, fans included, that the best players won't often play. Naashon Hughes doing nothing for hours on the field while others rode pine. Taking forever to get Gary Johnson steadily on the field. The WR rotation overall was a fucking joke. I keep waiting to see Kyle Porter start creeping up the depth chart due to some amorphous notion associated to team spirit or "picking up the rush", which were used last year, even as he often failed to pick up the rush. If that dude remains 5th on the depth chart, and we hear about freshman getting 1st and 2nd team snaps on offense all over the field right up to Maryland, I'll start to think maybe we turned a corner.

So Bitchass Bobby and Fuck Chip Brown were right all along?

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Some lessons were learned, but not all of them. During film session with WR recruits and their dads this spring, allegedly, Mehringer made a point of talking shit about the existing talent, including Johnson, to the tune of turning the families off completely, or damn near so. 

What a fucking idiot. What exactly did he think this would accomplish?

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Drew Mehringer decided to make an example of Collin Johnson last year because he apparently, in Mehringer's world, got too full of himself and wasn't "aligned". Being buddies with Foreman didn't help him. The WR unit got the worst of the 2017 coaching premise that they were going to beat the shit out of the team until the entitlement wore away. The side effects of that approach included Hemphill-Mapps getting completely disenfranchised and randomly suspended on multiple occasions to the point where he checked out from attending classes by November; Devin Duvernay negging the program to recruits on official visits; and Collin Johnson losing track of which way was up and not knowing where the next kick to his crotch was coming from by the staff. The near total team revolt ahead of the Texas Bowl was a wake up to many on the staff, including Herman. 

Some lessons were learned, but not all of them. During film session with WR recruits and their dads this spring, allegedly, Mehringer made a point of talking shit about the existing talent, including Johnson, to the tune of turning the families off completely, or damn near so. 

I'm interested in seeing whether the coaches have improved on their personnel choices on offense this year. Last year was a fucking joke in term of selecting personnel. The number of empty sets in which we slotted out a non-functioning TE instead of rotating in another WR was astonishing. The amount of carries and snaps Kyle Porter received because he had "the right attitude" sent the message to everyone, fans included, that the best players won't often play. Naashon Hughes doing nothing for hours on the field while others rode pine. Taking forever to get Gary Johnson steadily on the field. The WR rotation overall was a fucking joke. I keep waiting to see Kyle Porter start creeping up the depth chart due to some amorphous notion associated to team spirit or "picking up the rush", which were used last year, even as he often failed to pick up the rush. If that dude remains 5th on the depth chart, and we hear about freshman getting 1st and 2nd team snaps on offense all over the field right up to Maryland, I'll start to think maybe we turned a corner.

This guy gets it. All of it. Where do I send my $9.95?

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45 minutes ago, CastHorn said:

Maryland will be a good first test of our run defense. They have dual threat QBs, a great RB, and an above average offensive line. I think they lack @ WR though. 

For some reason when I think about the Maryland game, I have PTSD flashbacks to BYU 2013 and 2014.  It seemed so certain that 2013 was a fluke and that we would pay them back for that embarrassment, and then we got steamrolled at home.

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IT practice notes: first fully padded practice - 8/8/18

Wednesday brought full pads to the Wright Whitaker Fields, though unfortunately the pads weren’t truly popping until the media was escorted out.

Upon arrival, the offensive line was working on one of the more unique drills I’ve seen covering Texas. Each OL had a rep individually bear crawling before rolling, and after that was completed the OL would jump on a simulated fumble from the hands of Herb Hand. My guess is that the point of the drill was to slightly disorient the OL before having to find and jump on the ball.

I only saw Tre Watson in the green non-contact jersey. We have an availability today with Herman after practice, so I will check to see if Cade Brewer was full go today. I did not get to catch any of the TEs.

The first team defense remained unchanged from yesterday: Hager – Nelson – Omenihu. Roach at B, Wheeler at Mac, Johnson at Rover. Boyd and Davis at corner, Locke at nickel, Jones and Sterns at safety. The intrigue was in the second team. The line was the same with Bimage – Wilbon – Graham, but the linebackers were a youthful group. Ossai worked at B, Adeoye at Mac, and Demarvion Overshown at Rover. Thompson was at nickel, and Cook and Boyce were at corner. Bonney held one safety spot, while BJ Foster was in the field safety role Chris Brown held yesterday.

In order to make sure that Overshown was working at rover, I checked to see where No. 31 went during individual position drills. Sure enough, he was working with Todd Orlando’s linebacker group.

Speaking of the linebackers, this is the second practice in a row where it was very easy to distinguish Gary Johnson’s voice. He put guys in the right spot and put teammates in the correct place with intensity and support.

Though the next couple of periods were open to the media, most of the work for all units was against air. I went over to the offensive side to get a good look at the receiver depth chart. At X, Johnson led the way followed by Eagles, Epps, and Travis West. At Z, Duvernay led Burt, Curtis, Woodard, and walk-on Kai Jarmon.

Slot had Humphrey followed by Heard, Pouncey, Moore, and Jamison. Jamison joined drills later on in the viewing session after running laps for much of the first portion open to the media.

I know at the first mention of drops everyone freaks out, but there were a short string of them for one of the cycles through the drill on air. After that lone case, all the receivers improved and did a much better job of catching the ball than letting it get into them, particularly the slot group. Overall, not something I walked away concerned about.

I didn’t get a chance to watch too much of the running backs, but I think of it as a good sign that Watson is the only one being handled somewhat gently right now. That specifically means Kirk Johnson isn’t wearing a brace and isn’t wearing a non-contact jersey.

The pads began to pop right when media was escorted out. Players lined up opposite of each other for a one-on-one goal line drill where the ball-carrier had to get through the defender and reach the goal line. The intensity was ramped up for this potion, as coaches wanted their particular position groups to succeed and the loud music only amplified the environment.

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24 minutes ago, texifornia said:

That's a standard option with whiskey and vodka at any bar in New York. Kills any alcohol taste so it's good for bad liquor.

Interesting...that was almost 25 years ago. I wonder if it's move as a go-to chaser is a recent phenomenon. I don't remember it being a ready option when I lived in NYC, but by then I moved away from shots and straight alcohol to beer and wine. 

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15 minutes ago, jinx said:

For some reason when I think about the Maryland game, I have PTSD flashbacks to BYU 2013 and 2014.  It seemed so certain that 2013 was a fluke and that we would pay them back for that embarrassment, and then we got steamrolled at home.

Their QB Pigrome has a brace on his right knee now. 

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17 minutes ago, Sejjr said:

So Bitchass Bobby and Fuck Chip Brown were right all along?

No. Not exactly. 

First of all, they were wrong to write and post those missives when they did. Brown's motives for doing what he did remain unclear to everyone and might be gambling debt related. 

Second, they and other $9.95ers painted the gravity of the circumstances after Tech as near apocalyptic and that was a big stretch.

Finally, they were wrong to use Foreman's dad and Warren's mom as voices for ALL of the parents of the program. Projecting their butthurt onto everyone involved with the program from the player side was fucking idiotic and borderline corrupt.

That all considered, Herman learned some lessons between Tech and Missouri and Del Conte's first views into the football program leading up to Missouri helped there. Herman had mishandled and misjudged the pulse of his team. He was shocked when the OLs opted to graduate early and be a part of senior day. He was even surprised, allegedly, that Warren was transferring. Even a narcissist can have their worldview shaken with enough negative reinforcement and synapses firing. 

There was a ton of truth to team unrest. There was then a bunch of hyperbole. IT was reporting that there might be like 20 transfers at one point. None of the reporting around the program was helpful, but it all might have helped with the pressure that needed to be applied to Herman's thick skull. 

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33 minutes ago, jinx said:

For some reason when I think about the Maryland game, I have PTSD flashbacks to BYU 2013 and 2014.  It seemed so certain that 2013 was a fluke and that we would pay them back for that embarrassment, and then we got steamrolled at home.

You were smoking some good shit in 2014.  After the 2013 debacle at BYU, Mack somehow managed to herp-derp us to 8 wins.  But he left Charlie Strong with an abysmal situation at QB, RB and OL, which was made worse when we hired Shawn Fucking Watson.  I was actually surprised it was only 6-0 BYU at the half.   

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Drew Mehringer decided to make an example of Collin Johnson last year because he apparently, in Mehringer's world, got too full of himself and wasn't "aligned". Being buddies with Foreman didn't help him. The WR unit got the worst of the 2017 coaching premise that they were going to beat the shit out of the team until the entitlement wore away. The side effects of that approach included Hemphill-Mapps getting completely disenfranchised and randomly suspended on multiple occasions to the point where he checked out from attending classes by November; Devin Duvernay negging the program to recruits on official visits; and Collin Johnson losing track of which way was up and not knowing where the next kick to his crotch was coming from by the staff. The near total team revolt ahead of the Texas Bowl was a wake up to many on the staff, including Herman. 

Some lessons were learned, but not all of them. During film session with WR recruits and their dads this spring, allegedly, Mehringer made a point of talking shit about the existing talent, including Johnson, to the tune of turning the families off completely, or damn near so. 

I'm interested in seeing whether the coaches have improved on their personnel choices on offense this year. Last year was a fucking joke in term of selecting personnel. The number of empty sets in which we slotted out a non-functioning TE instead of rotating in another WR was astonishing. The amount of carries and snaps Kyle Porter received because he had "the right attitude" sent the message to everyone, fans included, that the best players won't often play. Naashon Hughes doing nothing for hours on the field while others rode pine. Taking forever to get Gary Johnson steadily on the field. The WR rotation overall was a fucking joke. I keep waiting to see Kyle Porter start creeping up the depth chart due to some amorphous notion associated to team spirit or "picking up the rush", which were used last year, even as he often failed to pick up the rush. If that dude remains 5th on the depth chart, and we hear about freshman getting 1st and 2nd team snaps on offense all over the field right up to Maryland, I'll start to think maybe we turned a corner.

Mehringer pushing for most replaceable member of the offensive staff. And that’s saying something. 

I have to tell you, I hope this works out because I’m tired of shitty Texas football. But I see Herman as possibly being our modern Mackovic and Charlie was a modern McWilliams. Not personality wise as exact fits, but with with the general offensive and defensive malaise with Strong, and Herman’s clear offensive chops and hubris. 

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Herman is still a pretty young coach, and Texas is a completely different beast than UH. Herman has displayed narcissistic tendencies and hubris but he appears to be learning and evolving, as he should. What is going to be really interesting is to see how he decides to handle any coaching changes if Texas puts together a much better than expected season. 

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38 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I have to tell you, I hope this works out because I’m tired of shitty Texas football. But I see Herman as possibly being our modern Mackovic and Charlie was a modern McWilliams. Not personality wise as exact fits, but with with the general offensive and defensive malaise with Strong, and Herman’s clear offensive chops and hubris. 

Maybe the outcome to Herman's tenure will be something we haven't experienced before.

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1 hour ago, CastHorn said:

Maryland will be a good first test of our run defense. They have dual threat QBs, a great RB, and an above average offensive line. I think they lack @ WR though. 

Any early reports from Maryland?  I don't think it would be shocking if Bortenschlanger (whatever his name is) started the year then either Pigrome or Hill took over.  They missed all of spring ball learning an entirely new offense and that offense has never really featured a running QB.

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13 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

Maybe the outcome to Herman's tenure will be something we haven't experienced before.

It could be. My mind was more on the thought that as much as we hope Herman is “The Guy” that he may just be the next step to finding “The Guy”. 

Im not making a definitive pronouncement or anything. Just thinking about how rare it is for even major programs to hit on their next great coach so quickly. 

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18 minutes ago, Sejjr said:

Herman is still a pretty young coach, and Texas is a completely different beast than UH. Herman has displayed narcissistic tendencies and hubris but he appears to be learning and evolving, as he should. What is going to be really interesting is to see how he decides to handle any coaching changes if Texas puts together a much better than expected season. 

I think Herman is either replacing Beck or Orlando at season's end. If we do poorly, its Beck. If we do well, its Orlando. I'm not even sure how I feel about this. 

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2 hours ago, Ben Ficus said:

Pee all you want.  Just make damn sure it's crystal clear, or you'll be doing up-downs until the cows come home.

I should be at least six beers in by kickoff, so I should be peeing clear at that point.

Sunday is another story.

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I’m somewhat surprised the fan base has cooled on Herman so quickly. I understand it, and I’m right there with the them, but I’m still surprised given how the Charlie wars went down.

It was obvious to anyone with a brain cell Strong was an idiot and doomed the second he brought over Watson as his OC. Yet if you questioned Strong on shaggy in years 1 or 2 you were labeled as having bitchassedness or being a racist and we’re getting errbody.

While I’m not convinced Herman is doomed, given his terrible staff and player personnel decisions, his arrogance, and his insistence on protecting buddies while preaching accountability and effort to his players, I have significant doubts. Looks like I’m not alone.

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32 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Any early reports from Maryland?  I don't think it would be shocking if Bortenschlanger (whatever his name is) started the year then either Pigrome or Hill took over.  They missed all of spring ball learning an entirely new offense and that offense has never really featured a running QB.

If you watch their spring game, it looks almost identical to their old offense. Expect more of the same from Maryland. The strength of their run game is on the edges, so team speed on defense should help, but I am going to keep the Tums handy, just in case.

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29 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

It could be. My mind was more on the thought that as much as we hope Herman is “The Guy” that he may just be the next step to finding “The Guy”. 

Im not making a definitive pronouncement or anything. Just thinking about how rare it is for even major programs to hit on their next great coach so quickly. 

Yeah, our athletic program culture seems to cause boom or bust with coaches. My wonder with Herman is what does our program look like with a head coach that can recruit and manage the QB room, an organized recruiting department, and an AD that supports him? There has to be something between all time great and Charlie Strong that we can all enjoy. The past 8 years haven't even been "pretty good."

 

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24 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

I’m somewhat surprised the fan base has cooled on Herman so quickly. I understand it, and I’m right there with the them, but I’m still surprised given how the Charlie wars went down.

It was obvious to anyone with a brain cell Strong was an idiot and doomed the second he brought over Watson as his OC. Yet if you questioned Strong on shaggy in years 1 or 2 you were labeled as having bitchassedness or being a racist and we’re getting errbody.

While I’m not convinced Herman is doomed, given his terrible staff and player personnel decisions, his arrogance, and his insistence on protecting buddies while preaching accountability and effort to his players, I have significant doubts. Looks like I’m not alone.

I think the fan base has finally had the piss and vinegar beaten out of them after such a long stretch of ineptitude. I believe Herman will get the ship righted, but if we lose to Maryland or God forbid Tulsa to start the season, this place is going to go up in flames. 

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13 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I think the fan base has finally had the piss and vinegar beaten out of them after such a long stretch of ineptitude. I believe Herman will get the ship righted, but if we lose to Maryland or God forbid Tulsa to start the season, this place is going to go up in flames. 

Let's be honest, we are burning shit to the ground if we ever trail in either of those games.  We won't wait for the end of the game.

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Hopefully Orlando stays to try to line up just the right job, and we are able to get a better hand on the offensive tiller. I don’t know how fixable a guy like Mehringer is. He is young and was a bachelor. To the degree that he was picking up arrogance and other bad signals from Herman, he may have been (consciously or otherwise) emulating the boss with his poor leadership of his room. I hold out a sliver of hope that he will show a little improvement with age, experience, marriage, and seeing Herman change.

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18 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Hopefully Orlando stays to try to line up just the right job, and we are able to get a better hand on the offensive tiller. I don’t know how fixable a guy like Mehringer is. He is young and was a bachelor. To the degree that he was picking up arrogance and other bad signals from Herman, he may have been (consciously or otherwise) emulating the boss with his poor leadership of his room. I hold out a sliver of hope that he will show a little improvement with age, experience, marriage, and seeing Herman change.

Who cares? He's doing a shitty job, boot his ass to the curb and get someone who can get the job done.

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1 hour ago, longhrnfan said:

I think Herman is either replacing Beck or Orlando at season's end. If we do poorly, its Beck. If we do well, its Orlando. I'm not even sure how I feel about this. 

On what planet does this make sense?

Does anyone ever question closetojumping?  I mean, that sounds like a neat little package and all. I just wonder how much fiction was in that nugget from Surly’s resident pompous windbag. Can’t wait for his standard, Pavlovian “humorless unoriginal” response. 

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33 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I think the fan base has finally had the piss and vinegar beaten out of them after such a long stretch of ineptitude. I believe Herman will get the ship righted, but if we lose to Maryland or God forbid Tulsa to start the season, this place is going to go up in flames. 

 

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47 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

I’m somewhat surprised the fan base has cooled on Herman so quickly. I understand it, and I’m right there with the them, but I’m still surprised given how the Charlie wars went down.

It was obvious to anyone with a brain cell Strong was an idiot and doomed the second he brought over Watson as his OC. Yet if you questioned Strong on shaggy in years 1 or 2 you were labeled as having bitchassedness or being a racist and we’re getting errbody.

While I’m not convinced Herman is doomed, given his terrible staff and player personnel decisions, his arrogance, and his insistence on protecting buddies while preaching accountability and effort to his players, I have significant doubts. Looks like I’m not alone.

Some of it has to do with Herman being coronated by a section of the fanbase leading up to his hiring. The ones who proclaimed his greatness seem to have mostly disappeared or turned coat pretty quickly when things went south. The rest of us felt various levels of ripped off. Add to it the Beck fiasco playing like a remake of Strong's Watson boogaloo and it's hard to shut down the cynicism.

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5 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

Ugg.  I'm pretty much in the camp that winning the line of scrimmage is what wins football games.  I don't see us winning the offensive line of scrimmage much against quality opponents with the guys we have. I wish somebody would convince me the pessimism is unwarranted.  Offensive line is the hardest unit to fix once it's broken.  There's just no quick fixes with freshman like you have at other positions. 

I go to bed and am able to comfort myself to sleep at night knowing that the OL situation this year is much, much, much better than it has been for most of the past decade. It's not 2005 by any stretch of the imagination, not even 2009, but it's not 2013, either.

DT is another situation entirely. Mack Brown had the most amazing sequence of DT personnel during his time here. That find ourselves today wondering how we'll replace Poona Ford just shows how far we've fallen at that position.

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