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3 minutes ago, beer said:

Just because they share a state with OU doesn't make them evil.

I was a diehard OKC fan for 6 years. You aren't evil - this current team just isn't likeable. Durant and Westbrook were both so much cooler than SGA.

You are what Miami was from 2011-2014. There's nothing wrong with that - just be prepared for a ton of hate. You'll also get plenty of bandwagon fans (mostly youths without proper father figures I'm guessing) attracted to SGA and crew's style of play. 

And yes I'm taking the piss a bit with that last one. 

Don't get too drunk 😉

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16 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I was a diehard OKC fan for 6 years. You aren't evil - this current team just isn't likeable. Durant and Westbrook were both so much cooler than SGA.

You are what Miami was from 2011-2014. There's nothing wrong with that - just be prepared for a ton of hate. You'll also get plenty of bandwagon fans (mostly youths without proper father figures I'm guessing) attracted to SGA and crew's style of play. 

And yes I'm taking the piss a bit with that last one. 

Don't get too drunk 😉

This version of OKC is wayyyyy worse than Miami in the sense of how they league favors them and allows them to get away with so much. SGA would be a 4th option on those Miami teams. This is disgusting basketball to watch. 

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Man. This shit just hit me pretty hard. 

What a fucking gamer. What a run. What a playoffs. 

Not a storybook ending but it almost never is in this league. No one alive that got to see any of it will ever forget this Pacers team. 

Fuck, man. They should have done it.

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Some of the SGA and OKC takes here are laughable.  I am not a fan but they had a great fucking season. They may be boring but they deserved it.  SGA is the best scoring SG since Kobe and he’s young enough to surpass Wade when it’s all said and done. He doesn’t finish at the rim like Wade could but he’s better all around on offense including as a distributor.  Congrats to all of them.  
 

Separately, and maybe it’s upthread, but if I have a calf strain, I am letting that mf’er heal.  Durant and Halliburton aren’t the only two.  I can’t recall but there was at least one other recently that had a calf strain, came back and played, then tore an Achilles.  May have been in football.  It really sucks.  You have 3 of the top 20 players in the East out with Achilles next year.  

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21 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Separately, and maybe it’s upthread, but if I have a calf strain, I am letting that mf’er heal.  Durant and Halliburton aren’t the only two.

Yeah well - it wasn't you - because you aren't a professional athlete and you've never been a game away from an NBA championship. 

The way that Durant and Haliburton went out in those Finals is as noble and selfless as it comes - but then you get hindsight 20/20 dickheads like yourself that come in and think you're making some revelatory point about how they should have known better or not have played.

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

No one alive that got to see any of it will ever forget this Pacers team. 

Yeah - kind of the same point being made here. 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah well - it wasn't you - because you aren't a professional athlete and you've never been a game away from an NBA championship. 

The way that Durant and Haliburton went out in those Finals is as noble and selfless as it comes - but then you get hindsight 20/20 dickheads like yourself that come in and think you're making some revelatory point about how they should have known better or not have played.

Chill, Winston….

I am not blaming the players.  I get why they kept playing.  But strained calf leading to Achilles tear is clearly a thing.  It’s gotta be fucking brutal weighing the risk at this stage of the season.  

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3 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

This version of OKC is wayyyyy worse than Miami in the sense of how they league favors them and allows them to get away with so much. SGA would be a 4th option on those Miami teams. This is disgusting basketball to watch. 

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I fucking hate watching their team play, but goddamn if they aren’t all incredible ambassadors for the sport. Congratulations to Jalen Williams (the good one) especially, that young man is absolutely incredible. 

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8 hours ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Some of the SGA and OKC takes here are laughable.  I am not a fan but they had a great fucking season. They may be boring but they deserved it.  SGA is the best scoring SG since Kobe and he’s young enough to surpass Wade when it’s all said and done. He doesn’t finish at the rim like Wade could but he’s better all around on offense including as a distributor.  Congrats to all of them.  
 

Separately, and maybe it’s upthread, but if I have a calf strain, I am letting that mf’er heal.  Durant and Halliburton aren’t the only two.  I can’t recall but there was at least one other recently that had a calf strain, came back and played, then tore an Achilles.  May have been in football.  It really sucks.  You have 3 of the top 20 players in the East out with Achilles next year.  

How are they laughable? Do you even post here frequently? Everyone here basically realizes OKC has a ton of talent but exploit things to take advantage of. Defenders like Dort, Caruso, JDub, Wallace physically use their arms to keep the ball handler in front of them. thats a foul in high school league basketball. Keep the ball handler in front of you by sliding your feet is what they teach you in basketball camps at age 8. theyre talented enough to slide their feet but they play touch grab and get away with it. so it makes it fucking stupid when the other team does that with Shai and he falls to his ass on his own and is rewarded 2 fts despite all throwing up some slop shot while flinging his neck backwards. OK now that that's established, defenders have to now play honest defense with Shai  a few feet away who's then able to dissect them because he has space to get to his midrange sweet spots or go to the rim. he's exceptional at finishing in both areas. 

 

It's boring because the takes you found laughable are predominately  true. every nba fanbase is saying this. OKC fans turn a blind eye because they dont want to admit it. 

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10 hours ago, BurgleBro said:

99% of the time post jordan years it doesn't matter

Not sure I agree with your math on this one. 9 out of the 27 NBA Champions since Jordan's retirement have come out of the East. Which sounds about right since the West typically has at least 2/3rds of the league's superstars.

But, yeah, on paper, next year's representative should be canon fodder. The team that should be the odds on favorite doesn't even have a coach at the moment.

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11 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

How are they laughable? Do you even post here frequently? Everyone here basically realizes OKC has a ton of talent but exploit things to take advantage of. Defenders like Dort, Caruso, JDub, Wallace physically use their arms to keep the ball handler in front of them. thats a foul in high school league basketball. Keep the ball handler in front of you by sliding your feet is what they teach you in basketball camps at age 8. theyre talented enough to slide their feet but they play touch grab and get away with it. so it makes it fucking stupid when the other team does that with Shai and he falls to his ass on his own and is rewarded 2 fts despite all throwing up some slop shot while flinging his neck backwards. OK now that that's established, defenders have to now play honest defense with Shai who's able to dissect him because he has space to get to his midrange sweet spots or go to the rim. he's exceptional at finishing in both areas. 

 

It's boring because the takes you found laughable are predominately  true. every nba fanbase is saying this. OKC fans turn a blind eye because they dont want to admit it. 

Im sorry, I thought this was Surly.  I thought “laughable” was a pretty mild ad hominem attack.

Anyway, I guess the general sense I got from the posts was that OKC doesn’t deserve this, aren’t a great team and somehow won 68 games and the finals by gaming the system.  

The bolded above sounds like sour grapes.  And you can put it on loop from opposing fans complaining about every dominant defensive team in college and pros, basically ever.  I caught myself doing it re: UH basketball this year. But it makes it seem as if the other 29 teams care too much about the integrity of the game to stoop to such tactics   If they had the defensive talent to play like OKC, all 29 other teams would.  They are good enough to hold contact before the guy gets by them so the foul isn’t obvious.  This is something that is taught the same way DBs are taught to subtly make contact with receivers in a way that avoids a PI call. They are hardly the first team to use their athletic ability to their advantage. Defenders may try to do it to SGA but he’s already by them so the contact is clearer to the refs.   And sure, the MVP, as has historically been the case, gets some whistle benefit.     

This team was really good.  SGA is a legit top 5 player in one of the most talented eras the NBA has seen since the early 90s. Just weird to see them shit on is all.  They deserved this.  I am hardly an OKC fan at all (Rockets), and frankly found myself rooting for Minnesota against them, but to my chagrin, the Wolves never had a chance.   And I guess I’ve also never found OKC boring.

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7 hours ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Chill, Winston….

I am not blaming the players.  I get why they kept playing.  But strained calf leading to Achilles tear is clearly a thing.  It’s gotta be fucking brutal weighing the risk at this stage of the season.  

Look - man - some of us care a lot about this shit. Even when it isn't one of our teams playing.

That game was a really big fucking deal. And your postgame diatribe was kind of shitty and insincere and dismissive. 

I just watched Haliburton pour his fucking guts out for four rounds in the playoffs like I've maybe never seen anyone else do in my life. That dude has more heart and talent and drive than any of us could ever dream of. He knew what the risk was. He knew what could happen. And he went out there anyway two games in a row. 

So when you say some shit immediately after like "if I have a calf strain I'm letting it heal" it comes across as pretty fucking insensitive. That dude just had his heart ripped out on the biggest possible stage in basketball. To insinuate that he fucked up or made the wrong decision to go out there and play irritates me. If I ever have a son I hope he's a fifth of the man that Tyrese Haliburton is. Short of volunteering to go to war that shit that he did is about as big as it gets. 

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12 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Im sorry, I thought this was Surly.  I thought “laughable” was a pretty mild ad hominem attack.

Anyway, I guess the general sense I got from the posts was that OKC doesn’t deserve this, aren’t a great team and somehow won 68 games and the finals by gaming the system.  

The bolded above sounds like sour grapes.  And you can put it on loop from opposing fans complaining about every dominant defensive team in college and pros, basically ever.  I caught myself doing it re: UH basketball this year. But it makes it seem as if the other 29 teams care too much about the integrity of the game to stoop to such tactics   If they had the defensive talent to play like OKC, all 29 other teams would.  They are good enough to hold contact before the guy gets by them so the foul isn’t obvious.  This is something that is taught the same way DBs are taught to subtly make contact with receivers in a way that avoids a PI call. They are hardly the first team to use their athletic ability to their advantage. Defenders may try to do it to SGA but he’s already by them so the contact is clearer to the refs.   And sure, the MVP, as has historically been the case, gets some whistle benefit.     

This team was really good.  SGA is a legit top 5 player in one of the most talented eras the NBA has seen since the early 90s. Just weird to see them shit on is all.  They deserved this.  I am hardly an OKC fan at all (Rockets), and frankly found myself rooting for Minnesota against them, but to my chagrin, the Wolves never had a chance.   And I guess I’ve also never found OKC boring.

It isn't sour grapes. Why the NBA didn't call them for fouls, I'll never know. Its a physical defense that strictly and historically has never been allowed. Fucking Wallace was grabbing TJM's wrist, TJMs like looking at the ref waiting for a whistle because he couldn't believe Wallace was getting away with it like the rest of us. VIDEO HERE

Lu Dort is a big strong bodied defender. OKC uses him as the useful idiot that can physically frustrate other teams stars with his strength and his physicality that he gets away with. if youre a fan of basketball and have watched it..you can easily separate whats good defense and whats handsy, grabbing, bear hugging bull shit. Plus Dort for as physically strong as he appears is also a flopping coward.

Caruso is some bonafide defensive star but gets away with it just as bad as Dort. you think some bald headed skinny guard is supposed to be some Joker stopper who weighs 100 more pounds and is 10 inches taller than him by not mauling the guy? thats what he did and got away with it. 

theres defensive penalties on every play in football but itd be deemed unwatchable if the offense moved the ball down the field via penalty flags. just like the NBA would be deemed unwatchable if teams won by via FT shooting shoot off because the refs called every a foul on every possession because teams now play OKC style defense.

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21 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Anyway, I guess the general sense I got from the posts was that OKC doesn’t deserve this, aren’t a great team and somehow won 68 games and the finals by gaming the system.  

That's not my read at all. My read of the general vibe around OKC is that everyone thinks they're good enough to not have to resort to the James Harden bullshit. People realize and accept that everyone embellishes fouls and jumps into defenders that they got into the air. It is what it is. But literally everyone hates Harden-level foul baiting. It's not basketball, and it sucks. There are far worse things for SGA to be known as than "James Harden, but good in the playoffs", but, unlike Harden, he doesn't need that weak shit to be great.

Agree with you about the physical defense though. Great teams in all sports realize that the officials can't--or don't want to--call offensive holding, defensive hand checks, off-ball holding, moving screens, push-offs, etc. every play. So pushing those limits is a pretty critical factor in a team's success. OKC's defense was largely incredible.

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That Pacers team is going down as probably my all time favorite non-Spurs team ever. Just an incredible group, fun as hell to root for and played so many gutsy clutch entertaining games. Absolutely heartbreaking to see it end like that with Haliburton's injury. One of the worst what ifs in recent NBA history. The basketball gods are fickle. 

As for OKC, I can't stand them but you've got to respect the way they go about their business. You can tell that those dudes really care about each other and care about winning above everything else. I don't like their style of play, SGA's foul baiting, and they get away with murder on defense, but that's on the refs more than them. NBA officiating has always been controversial and I suppose always will be.

I'm excited for the draft and this off season. There's going to be a lot of crazy shit happen. We've already seen two huge trades go down before the finals even ended. The apron is looming for a lot of different teams.

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16 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Look - man - some of us care a lot about this shit. Even when it isn't one of our teams playing.

That game was a really big fucking deal. And your postgame diatribe was kind of shitty and insincere and dismissive. 

I just watched Haliburton pour his fucking guts out for four rounds in the playoffs like I've maybe never seen anyone else do in my life. That dude has more heart and talent and drive than any of us could ever dream of. He knew what the risk was. He knew what could happen. And he went out there anyway two games in a row. 

So when you say some shit immediately after like "if I have a calf strain I'm letting it heal" it comes across as pretty fucking insensitive. That dude just had his heart ripped out on the biggest possible stage in basketball. To insinuate that he fucked up or made the wrong decision to go out there and play irritates me. If I ever have a son I hope he's a fifth of the man that Tyrese Haliburton is. Short of volunteering to go to war that shit that he did is about as big as it gets. 

you're a hysterical irritant. 

There is a genuine question of what the right decision here was. On a very objective level. And very smart, highly paid people, will need to look at whatever data one can mine from these injuries, and weigh the pros and cons moving forward. 

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22 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

It isn't sour grapes. Why the NBA didn't call them for fouls, I'll never know. 

I believe OKC was 6th in fouls per game, but sure, the NBA allows them to cheat by playing under different rules than every other team. 

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I believe OKC was 6th in fouls per game, but sure, the NBA allows them to cheat by playing under different rules than every other team. 

Yea one can watch the game with their own eyes and see what’s good traditional D vs football style, especially when it’s occurring 38 feet from the basket
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40 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Look - man - some of us care a lot about this shit. Even when it isn't one of our teams playing.

That game was a really big fucking deal. And your postgame diatribe was kind of shitty and insincere and dismissive. 

I just watched Haliburton pour his fucking guts out for four rounds in the playoffs like I've maybe never seen anyone else do in my life. That dude has more heart and talent and drive than any of us could ever dream of. He knew what the risk was. He knew what could happen. And he went out there anyway two games in a row. 

So when you say some shit immediately after like "if I have a calf strain I'm letting it heal" it comes across as pretty fucking insensitive. That dude just had his heart ripped out on the biggest possible stage in basketball. To insinuate that he fucked up or made the wrong decision to go out there and play irritates me. If I ever have a son I hope he's a fifth of the man that Tyrese Haliburton is. Short of volunteering to go to war that shit that he did is about as big as it gets. 

Your day after diatribe is…..weird. If you happen to have a son someday, maybe shoot a little higher for him than being 1/5 of a man that’s a professional basketball player who you don’t know that played hurt like thousands of other athletes before him. 

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21 minutes ago, naija said:

you're a hysterical irritant. 

There is a genuine question of what the right decision here was. On a very objective level. And very smart, highly paid people, will need to look at whatever data one can mine from these injuries, and weigh the pros and cons moving forward. 

This is my point better made.  The Drs and trainers are going to start worrying about these calf strains a little more even in the playoffs absolutely the players want to play and management wants them to play.  But it’s worth it for everyone to try to figure out what type of calf strain is leading to these Achilles tears because I don’t think it’s coincidence. 

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26 minutes ago, naija said:

you're a hysterical irritant. 

There is a genuine question of what the right decision here was. On a very objective level. And very smart, highly paid people, will need to look at whatever data one can mine from these injuries, and weigh the pros and cons moving forward. 

 

8 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Your day after diatribe is…..weird. If you happen to have a son someday, maybe shoot a little higher for him than being 1/5 of a man that’s a professional basketball player who you don’t know that played hurt like thousands of other athletes before him. 

I don't even know who the fuck you two are. You never post in here. 

It was Tyrese's decision to make and he made it and it isn't our business to question it. That doesn't make it right or wrong or good or bad. The point is that I respect the fuck out of what that dude just did for six weeks.

I get a little carried away and romantic sometimes. Especially when it comes to the NBA. Maybe don't take all of it so literally. 

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As a Thunder fan, I now understand what Astros fans went through after they won the world series. Fuck the haters, we got a fucking championship.

Fuck Seattle, too.

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40 minutes ago, ztejas said:

 

I don't even know who the fuck you two are. You never post in here. 

It was Tyrese's decision to make and he made it and it isn't our business to question it. That doesn't make it right or wrong or good or bad. The point is that I respect the fuck out of what that dude just did for six weeks.

I get a little carried away and romantic sometimes. Especially when it comes to the NBA. Maybe don't take all of it so literally. 

That's part of your problem. You think this is some merit-badge bullshit, that posting here is supposed to give some cred or similar nonsense. You want to gatekeep like this is some internet fiefdom. It doesn't occur to you that one can closely follow the league and be a fan, and not post here to avoid the histrionics that frequently occur. 

"It isn't our business to question it." Who is "our?" Cause sure as shit, it is the business of the medical staff and the front office. Maybe you think if a player is concussed as shit, then as long as it's the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl, everyone needs to cover their eyes, and let him play. Because respect and all that. Nobody is disrespecting Halliburton. 

Losing your star player in basketball is arguably the biggest deal injury-wise in the top pro-sports, in terms of finding replacements. We've seen what the league thinks of the worth of second-round picks.  The aprons and caps have made it even more important. So yeah, it would be moronic not to weigh the chances of an injured player staying in and going all out to win a Game 7, versus a devastating injury that will cost you at minimum a year, realistically 2, and with no guarantee that your 25-yr old player returns to their pre-injury state. 

 

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1 hour ago, A-Tex Devil said:

This is my point better made.  The Drs and trainers are going to start worrying about these calf strains a little more even in the playoffs absolutely the players want to play and management wants them to play.  But it’s worth it for everyone to try to figure out what type of calf strain is leading to these Achilles tears because I don’t think it’s coincidence. 

I think in a couple of these, there haven't been diagnoses of a strain prior to it occurring, so that complicates things in terms of data. But in players like Tyrese where you have MRI data, yeah, a closer look is warranted. Does the grade matter, the location? Is it occurring off the dominant push-off leg etc... You'd have to look past pro players, and not sure if you have enough objective data for that

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35 minutes ago, Sandman said:

As a Thunder fan, I now understand what Astros fans went through after they won the world series. Fuck the haters, we got a fucking championship.

Fuck Seattle, too.

I don’t know if that’s a comparison you want to make and I’m saying that as an Astro’s fan. 

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3 minutes ago, Kermit said:

I don’t know if that’s a comparison you want to make and I’m saying that as an Astro’s fan. 

I literally don't give a shit. People can say whatever they want, my team won it all.

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

 

I don't even know who the fuck you two are. You never post in here. 

It was Tyrese's decision to make and he made it and it isn't our business to question it. That doesn't make it right or wrong or good or bad. The point is that I respect the fuck out of what that dude just did for six weeks.

I get a little carried away and romantic sometimes. Especially when it comes to the NBA. Maybe don't take all of it so literally. 

I mean....  and I like you as a poster, but....

In any event, no one is questioning Tyrese, and if I came across that way, that wasn't the intent.  It probably barely crossed his mind his Achilles might pop.  Same with KD. 

I just think that medical staffs are going to be looking at calf strains in the NBA and NFL pretty soon the same way we look at pitchers' elbows.  If the medical experts can find a correlation, then perhaps they can identify the risk of rupture early and take measures to diagnose and preventatively repair.  Whether that is preemptive surgery or just plain old rest, I have no idea.   And I don't think it changes the calculus in the playoffs, necessarily, outside of some kind of diagnosis that says the thing is about to go.   But as stated above, that takes data and evidence, and that's hard to collect.      

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19 minutes ago, Kermit said:

Poster: I don’t give a shit

Reality: keeps posting to tell everyone how much of a shit he gives

He's embracing the Astros way

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