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55 minutes ago, chad.ihrig said:

Chance Mock was suggesting to have Arch roll out, as it takes away the thinking aspect and just allows him to play ball.

IDGAF what the answer is, anything to remove the chaos in his head.

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Many of the worst throws we have seen from him were on roll outs

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Clark doesn't have adequate running back vision yet. 

Hell, Clark didn't need to do anything but run where the play is designed to go. No vision is necessary. He also gets tripped up and goes down too easily. 

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

I actually suffered the yips throwing a baseball when I was playing in my 20s in men’s league ball. I couldn’t throw the ball during warm ups. I would chunk it straight into the ground. The only time I could throw normally was from the outfield when I would just uncork it. But warming up, I had to just throw against the fence. It was so weird. Lasted a couple of months and actually didn’t get better until I switched to beer league softball. It was all in my head and I couldn’t shake it until I stopped thinking. 

I experienced that in high school, too. Fortunately, I was usually the DH, so throwing wasn't necessary. 

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51 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Watched some film of the line again from this game. Pass pro wasn't bad overall. Have some breakdowns in the running game with some video to show exactly what's breaking down. I'll start off with some good stuff from the first drive of the game.

First snap of the game. Good ol' gap scheme GY Counter. Endries is the TE (Y) that will pull along with Stroh (G). One of the best blocked runs of the game right off the bat. Stroh pulls and stones his man, Endries pulls and does the same, and pay attention to Campbell. Gets to the 2nd level and drives the backer like he should. 8 yds for Baxter.

 

 Next run looks like power left. Campbell pulls this time and gets one of his best blocks of the game. TE is blocking down with Goosby and they clear the hole. This failure is not on the line, it's on Clark. Play looks blocked to go B gap behind the pulling guard and inside the TE if the guard has inside leverage and the TE is blocking down, which they are. Stroh is slow to get to the 2nd level which means the backer probably gets Clark, but should be a 6 or 7 yd gain if he runs the correct gap. Inexperienced running back mistake. 

 

 

Next play is similar except they motion the TE play side to lead then pull the RG Campbell to get the numbers advantage. Again, blocked well for the 3rd straight gap run to start the game. Again the failure is on Clark for not running where the play is blocked. He's supposed fo follow Campbell into the hole but for some reason cuts it A gap right into the defense. Watch the path had he run it correctly right off Campbell's hip. Big gain potential putting him 1 on 1 with a DB. 

 

Next play. Looks like inside zone where the linemen make a zone wall across the front and the TE comes back across the formation to eliminate the weak side rusher. Again, this is blocked well and again Clark reads it wrong. The play is blocked to go up inside on the A gap and he bounces it out to the C gap. Had he followed the blocking it's likely a first down. Clark doesn't have adequate running back vision yet. I think this drive encapsulates why we saw a lot more Gibson then Simon in the 2nd half. 

 

 

For shits and giggles let's look at the next play, the 4th down failure where we see the crux of Arch's problems right now. The play design is solid and a good call against coverage. Wingo at the top is the primary read who gets a good release off the line and runs the in breaking route. The TE runs the stop route in front to suck in the coverage and give Arch the winner. It's a timing route and Arch needs to read it and release the ball on Wingo's break. We see him read it but hesitate. He then steps up in the pocket and is so late the window closes and a DB gets in the lane. He tries to rush it and side arm one to Wingo and burns it in the grass. He has to get that timing back before this offense can start winning. 

 

If Sark had stuck to this style I think they could have eventually gotten on track. The gap runs and the one inside zone were mostly well blocked. Should have been much bigger gains. Unfortunately, Sark couldn't help himself and reverted back to his binky... outside zone. I'll pull up some examples from a drive in the 3rd quarter where shit falls apart. 

 

 

Appreciate the break down! I did notice on re watch today the backs do not have good vision and get exactly what the play is blocked for. Rarely more. Painfully avg position once Baxter went out. 

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19 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Hell, Clark didn't need to do anything but run where the play is designed to go. No vision is necessary. He also gets tripped up and goes down too easily. 

The dude has played in a grand total of two games of college football one year after tearing his Achilles tendon…

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6 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Finally the play that produced the screen shot of our 3 interior linemen laying on the ground.

….we’ve been waiting awhile for DJ Campbell to pancake someone 

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2 hours ago, Hermanator said:

First look here at an outside zone. The linemen are supposed to get their inside hand on the man to help slow the rusher enough to pass him to the trailing blocker. Then reach block left to wall off the front and give the back a 3 way read. The back reads inside out and looks to see if the guard first has inside leverage and there's a hole. If not, he checks the tackle then finally TE. All while looking for a cut back lane if the defense over-pursues and loses a backside gap. 

First off, Campbell doesn't get a hand on anyone, and generally looks completely lost on the play. That allows Baker's rusher to easily beat him inside getting backside pressure taking away the cut back. The front side of the play isnt well blocked because Stroh's made gets across his face and the defense is able to get through to the back. The TE Shannon also gets shed and his man makes the primary tackle. 

 

This one looks like inside zone and it gets messed up from the start. The TE coming back across formation to take out the backside rusher runs right into Baker knocking them both down. That mucks up the hole forcing Simon to bounce outside. Goosby gets his block but isnt expecting the play to run outside of him. Luckily Stroh actually drives his man back, Livingstone gets his block, and Simon makes a great play. Campbell makes a blatant block in the back he gets away with. 

 

This one is just so fucked up I can't even describe it. 12 personnel with Washington and Winston in, and playside neither of the TEs nor the RT Baker block anyone. Just pure shit all around playside. 

 

Here it's 12 personnel again with Washington and Endries. UTEP stunts their tackles and it eats Stroh and Hutson up. Washington looks like he's engaging the block but then turns it loose to get to the 2nd level. Endries was expecting him to maintain the block and has to scramble to recover. I'm assuming Washington fucked that up although I don't know for sure. The line had a lot of issues with tackles stunting on their zone blocks throughout the game. 

 

Finally the play that produced the screen shot of our 3 interior linemen laying on the ground. Outside zone, they motion Livingstone out of the play to clear the DB and see they have man coverage. On the snap Goosby does his job. Stroh gets beaten so badly on his reach block he falls and takes everyone trying to get to their blocks behind him out. No play better shows that Sark needs to cut outside zone calls down to no more than 2 or 3 a game. This line just isn't built to run this shit at the guard spots. Either that or get Stroh and Campbell out and try 2 other guards. 

 

 

 

 

Great stuff.  I bet Sark runs a ton of OZ against SHSU.  Coaches always love using these types games to practice stuff that they are having trouble with.

 

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FCB injury update:

Wisner- Out

Baxter- Out

January- Out, but probably could play if it was a conference game 

Moore- Been practicing, should play 

Mosley- Could see some snaps Saturday

Hutson- Turf toe, wants to play but coaches may hold him out to give Robertson a look

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They're going out of their way to not give Cruz snaps at Center at this point. I'd say he  must be failing in practice, not that we've ever heard anything but positive shit, but the way they've evaluating and played Stroh just makes me think they don't know what the fuck is going on and are terrified of inexperienced play and penalties. As if either of those things could be any fucking worse on the OL right now. 

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11 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Watched some film of the line again from this game. Pass pro wasn't bad overall. Have some breakdowns in the running game with some video to show exactly what's breaking down. I'll start off with some good stuff from the first drive of the game.

First snap of the game. Good ol' gap scheme GY Counter. Endries is the TE (Y) that will pull along with Stroh (G). One of the best blocked runs of the game right off the bat. Stroh pulls and stones his man, Endries pulls and does the same, and pay attention to Campbell. Gets to the 2nd level and drives the backer like he should. 8 yds for Baxter.

 

 Next run looks like power left. Campbell pulls this time and gets one of his best blocks of the game. TE is blocking down with Goosby and they clear the hole. This failure is not on the line, it's on Clark. Play looks blocked to go B gap behind the pulling guard and inside the TE if the guard has inside leverage and the TE is blocking down, which they are. Stroh is slow to get to the 2nd level which means the backer probably gets Clark, but should be a 6 or 7 yd gain if he runs the correct gap. Inexperienced running back mistake. 

 

 

Next play is similar except they motion the TE play side to lead then pull the RG Campbell to get the numbers advantage. Again, blocked well for the 3rd straight gap run to start the game. Again the failure is on Clark for not running where the play is blocked. He's supposed fo follow Campbell into the hole but for some reason cuts it A gap right into the defense. Watch the path had he run it correctly right off Campbell's hip. Big gain potential putting him 1 on 1 with a DB. 

 

Next play. Looks like inside zone where the linemen make a zone wall across the front and the TE comes back across the formation to eliminate the weak side rusher. Again, this is blocked well and again Clark reads it wrong. The play is blocked to go up inside on the A gap and he bounces it out to the C gap. Had he followed the blocking it's likely a first down. Clark doesn't have adequate running back vision yet. I think this drive encapsulates why we saw a lot more Gibson then Simon in the 2nd half. 

 

 

For shits and giggles let's look at the next play, the 4th down failure where we see the crux of Arch's problems right now. The play design is solid and a good call against coverage. Wingo at the top is the primary read who gets a good release off the line and runs the in breaking route. The TE runs the stop route in front to suck in the coverage and give Arch the winner. It's a timing route and Arch needs to read it and release the ball on Wingo's break. We see him read it but hesitate. He then steps up in the pocket and is so late the window closes and a DB gets in the lane. He tries to rush it and side arm one to Wingo and burns it in the grass. He has to get that timing back before this offense can start winning. 

 

If Sark had stuck to this style I think they could have eventually gotten on track. The gap runs and the one inside zone were mostly well blocked. Should have been much bigger gains. Unfortunately, Sark couldn't help himself and reverted back to his binky... outside zone. I'll pull up some examples from a drive in the 3rd quarter where shit falls apart. 

 

 

Clark has not displayed good vision. I would like Wingo to sit on that 4th down play when he sees Manning step up and move to his left. The throw is much easier if Wingo realizes his QB is moving up and to the left and sits, instead of continuing to run away from his QB. I know that is more of a veteran WR play, but these are the little things the offense is not doing. 

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On 9/16/2025 at 11:37 AM, MrBig said:

It looks even worse in motion 

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Holy shit, I am laughing so hard. I do feel bad from Simon. How can a coach let Stroh go back out there after this play?

22 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

FCB injury update:

Wisner- Out

Baxter- Out

January- Out, but probably could play if it was a conference game 

Moore- Been practicing, should play 

Mosley- Could see some snaps Saturday

Hutson- Turf toe, wants to play but coaches play hold him out to give Robertson a look

I think Hutson understands he might get Wally Pipp'd on Saturday.

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11 hours ago, Hermanator said:

First look here at an outside zone. The linemen are supposed to get their inside hand on the man to help slow the rusher enough to pass him to the trailing blocker. Then reach block left to wall off the front and give the back a 3 way read. The back reads inside out and looks to see if the guard first has inside leverage and there's a hole. If not, he checks the tackle then finally TE. All while looking for a cut back lane if the defense over-pursues and loses a backside gap. 

First off, Campbell doesn't get a hand on anyone, and generally looks completely lost on the play. That allows Baker's rusher to easily beat him inside getting backside pressure taking away the cut back. The front side of the play isnt well blocked because Stroh's made gets across his face and the defense is able to get through to the back. The TE Shannon also gets shed and his man makes the primary tackle. 

 

This one looks like inside zone and it gets messed up from the start. The TE coming back across formation to take out the backside rusher runs right into Baker knocking them both down. That mucks up the hole forcing Simon to bounce outside. Goosby gets his block but isnt expecting the play to run outside of him. Luckily Stroh actually drives his man back, Livingstone gets his block, and Simon makes a great play. Campbell makes a blatant block in the back he gets away with. 

 

This one is just so fucked up I can't even describe it. 12 personnel with Washington and Winston in, and playside neither of the TEs nor the RT Baker block anyone. Just pure shit all around playside. 

 

Here it's 12 personnel again with Washington and Endries. UTEP stunts their tackles and it eats Stroh and Hutson up. Washington looks like he's engaging the block but then turns it loose to get to the 2nd level. Endries was expecting him to maintain the block and has to scramble to recover. I'm assuming Washington fucked that up although I don't know for sure. The line had a lot of issues with tackles stunting on their zone blocks throughout the game. 

 

Finally the play that produced the screen shot of our 3 interior linemen laying on the ground. Outside zone, they motion Livingstone out of the play to clear the DB and see they have man coverage. On the snap Goosby does his job. Stroh gets beaten so badly on his reach block he falls and takes everyone trying to get to their blocks behind him out. No play better shows that Sark needs to cut outside zone calls down to no more than 2 or 3 a game. This line just isn't built to run this shit at the guard spots. Either that or get Stroh and Campbell out and try 2 other guards. 

 

 

 

 

These runs with Simon just make me ask why have we not seen this guy until this game. I heard this stat on Simon, he averaged 3.9 yards per carry in this game and 4.2 yards after carry. Just think about that. He is 2nd on the team in forced missed tackles with 5 on 16 carries (Arch #1, 9 on 23). He needs to be on the field more. Staff needs to get him ready. 

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5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

These runs with Simon just make me ask why have we not seen this guy until this game. I heard this stat on Simon, he averaged 3.9 yards per carry in this game and 4.2 yards after carry. Just think about that. He is 2nd on the team in forced missed tackles (Arch #1). He needs to be on the field more. Staff needs to get him ready. 

He is a true freshman that is only playing because Wisner and Baxter are hurt. I do agree though he needs to be the primary back against Sam Houston. Clark seems to have no explosion and Gibson is untrustworthy due his fumbling.

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Just now, HtownHorn said:

He is a true freshman that is only playing because Wisner and Baxter are hurt. I do agree though he needs to be the primary back against Sam Houston. Clark seems to have no explosion and Gibson is untrustworthy due his fumbling.

Clark looks like he has some nice cutting ability and quickness. The issue is he cuts to nowhere. I get Simon is a true freshman, but he looked like the best runner on the team (albeit in a very small sample size). Shows good vision and I love how every run he seems to be falling forward at the end. When I say get him ready, that means drill him on pass pro. Just do not know how he was 5th on the depth chart, but perhaps it is just a small sample size.

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14 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

Sark being upbeat isn't a surprise. Mack told a story about none other than Barry Switzer. Mack said that as OC for OU, his team was performing poorly against Tulsa or a similar opponent. At halftime, he lit into his offense. They ended up losing, and as he started to apologize to Switzer, Switzer told him, 'I knew we were going to lose because you convinced the offense they couldn't perform, and they were going to lose. Next time, figure out how to lift their spirits and get them to perform.

And then, Sally perfected her cookie recipe.

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31 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Holy shit, I am laughing so hard. I do feel bad from Simon. How can a coach let Stroh go back out there after this play?

I think Hutson understands he might get Wally Pipp'd on Saturday.

He needs to be. He’s dog shit. 
 

Also if our RB room Is healthy Simon should be clearly the number 3 

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36 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Clark has not displayed good vision. I would like Wingo to sit on that 4th down play when he sees Manning step up and move to his left. The throw is much easier if Wingo realizes his QB is moving up and to the left and sits, instead of continuing to run away from his QB. I know that is more of a veteran WR play, but these are the little things the offense is not doing. 

Agreed about Clark, but my hope would be that vision will come with experience. He's showed good shiftiness and ability to quickly hit a hole, he just needs to consistently hit the right hole. It's disappointing to see him run right into the teeth of the defense when the OL has blocked open a good hole. @Hermanator's breakdown of the blocking above is helpful in demonstrating that it isn't just the OL that is fucking up, it's a failure of the RB room as well. Between Simon and Clark, Simon appears to be the most disciplined so maybe we feed him more. I still think Stroh needs to be gone. I can acknowledge that he may have some good plays, but he is still a net negative. Campbell and Baker need to show more consistent effort, especially when they are backside. Any time its a run to the left they both seem to take the play off.  

Regarding Wingo - I don't know how he could do that without a second set of eyes in his head. It all happens pretty fast and he's not looking for Arch when he makes his cut, he's looking for the ball. There's not enough time for him to see what Arch is doing and adjust his body before the ball is thrown. Maybe if the play was designed for Wingo to sit, but it's not. 

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1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Agreed about Clark, but my hope would be that vision will come with experience. He's showed good shiftiness and ability to quickly hit a hole, he just needs to consistently hit the right hole. It's disappointing to see him run right into the teeth of the defense when the OL has blocked open a good hole. @Hermanator's breakdown of the blocking above is helpful in demonstrating that it isn't just the OL that is fucking up, it's a failure of the RB room as well. Between Simon and Clark, Simon appears to be the most disciplined so maybe we feed him more. I still think Stroh needs to be gone. I can acknowledge that he may have some good plays, but he is still a net negative. Campbell and Baker need to show more consistent effort, especially when they are backside. Any time its a run to the left they both seem to take the play off.  

Regarding Wingo - I don't know how he could do that without a second set of eyes in his head. It all happens pretty fast and he's not looking for Arch when he makes his cut, he's looking for the ball. There's not enough time for him to see what Arch is doing and adjust his body before the ball is thrown. Maybe if the play was designed for Wingo to sit, but it's not. 

it is super slow motion, so it is easy to make judgements. This is what I am looking at 

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Arch has been flushed and moving up in the pocket. He can gear it down. 

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second later he is not looking at Arch and just running his route appearing to be unaware that Arch is on the move

 

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He ends up out here

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I am just saying I think a more polished veteran WR would recognize his QB has been flushed and would adjust his route, but maybe that is not taught, or they just do not have that type of chemistry. it is not something that is major issue, just some of the little things Texas is not doing as an offense. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Clark looks like he has some nice cutting ability and quickness. The issue is he cuts to nowhere. I get Simon is a true freshman, but he looked like the best runner on the team (albeit in a very small sample size). Shows good vision and I love how every run he seems to be falling forward at the end. When I say get him ready, that means drill him on pass pro. Just do not know how he was 5th on the depth chart, but perhaps it is just a small sample size.

Simon's style running between the tackles reminds me of Emmitt Smith

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1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Agreed about Clark, but my hope would be that vision will come with experience. He's showed good shiftiness and ability to quickly hit a hole, he just needs to consistently hit the right hole. It's disappointing to see him run right into the teeth of the defense when the OL has blocked open a good hole.

It looks like to me he just needs a bit more patience to see the where the hole develops.  Wisner is really good at that aspect. Like a lot of freshman, the game seems to be moving too fast for Clark.  He should get better with experience.

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22 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

I appreciate the insight, but I think everyone who has been paying attention has pieced together that (1) Arch's problems are mental, and (2) that they are only showing up on game day. To their credit, Bobby and Gerry have more or less been saying that for a week or two. To me, the question is not "what is happening?" but "what is the staff doing about it?" 

I'm not trying to write a dissertation here, Sydney. 

That is surprisingly philosophical for you. 

I'm not really looking for answers to why it's happening, I just want to know that something is being done. From what insiders have said, it sounds like the staff is being shockingly laissez faire about a big fucking deal. I don't need to know their plan, but it would be nice to know that they are taking it seriously and doing something about it. For example, CTJ's 4th paragraph in the post above is at least some kind of analysis. That's more than we've heard from the staff or our insiders. 

To be clear, I am 100% on board with Sark as a coach. I have a lot of faith in him and his staff, although my estimation of Milwee and Flood is somewhat lowered. I just would like some indication that they are taking this as seriously as we are. For fuck's same, Immamac is making "should we bench Arch" polls. That's a sign of a fanbase that's on the ledge. 

I get that I'm being somewhat alarmist and this sentiment is not really directed at you. But there has been so much excitement and expectation for Manning since he committed and the whole thing is imploding. It is one of the biggest disappointments I've ever experienced as a fan. 

With regards to the bold part.  It's clear the dude is pressing under pressure.  Telling someone who is over thinking things to stop overthinking is not exactly helpful.  They need to get some booze/weed and a few smoking hot escorts to get this dude to just relax.  Perhaps them downplaying it publicly is intentional to stop making him feel like he has to live up to all these expectations.  If he is truly playing well in practice and just shitting the bed when the stadium lights are on, they just need to loosen him up and call simple easy 1 read plays for him.  Get him in a groove to get confidence and the rest should fall in place.   

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14 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Next play is similar except they motion the TE play side to lead then pull the RG Campbell to get the numbers advantage. Again, blocked well for the 3rd straight gap run to start the game. Again the failure is on Clark for not running where the play is blocked. He's supposed fo follow Campbell into the hole but for some reason cuts it A gap right into the defense. Watch the path had he run it correctly right off Campbell's hip. Big gain potential putting him 1 on 1 with a DB. 

Nice review, Clark appeared to be trying to hit a cut back instead of following his blockers. Falls in line with Sarks' "meat on the bone" comment. Have you looked at Simon, he appeared to have done a really good job.

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

They're going out of their way to not give Cruz snaps at Center at this point. I'd say he  must be failing in practice, not that we've ever heard anything but positive shit, but the way they've evaluating and played Stroh just makes me think they don't know what the fuck is going on and are terrified of inexperienced play and penalties. As if either of those things could be any fucking worse on the OL right now. 

Not trying to go full Satya, but there's a chance that our OL room has gone to shit. We've had some questionable recruiting takes/numbers decisions and shit might be coming home to roost. Maybe it's the "large humans" strategy, the development process, the offensive scheme, and/or something else, but it appears Texas has a glaring problem at OL right now.

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Thursday - It’s time for some fight

By Bobby Burton

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If you missed my score prediction yesterday, here it is:

56-0 Texas.

Rarely, and I mean rarely, do I step out there with a prediction like this. Usually, I’m the one on the other side of the coin, urging caution.

But something tells me the Horns are preparing to make mincemeat of the Bearkats.

The Texas offense has played tight in every game this year. Every single one.

It’s time to let loose.

Maybe that looseness causes an early INT or fumble from Arch. But I’m going to be ok with that, so long as it shakes him out of his season-long slumber.

It’s time for him to fight back, to show us what he’s really made of. It’s time for Arch to get his Mojo back.

He needs to play on his toes not his heels; he needs to show confidence in himself and the players around him.

This is the ideal game to do just that because Sam Houston State is worse than the Longhorns in every single way.

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When people ask if Arch is just not that good, it’s kind of easy to point out to the naysayers that he went 26-31 a year ago against Mississippi State.

The only differences between this year and last are a) the experience around him and b) the expectations.

Arch was asked merely to be the bus driver against Mississippi State. He did that as well as anyone could.

Against Ohio State, San Jose State and even UTEP this season, he was asked at times to be the focal point.

And that’s where he has fallen short.

Is that because he’s pressing and not letting the game come to him? That’s some of it. He’s putting too much pressure on himself to be perfect on every play.

But this also has to do with the experience around him.

For example, I ask you, how many times last year did we see two receivers collide with one another, like we saw with Jack Endries and Ryan Niblett last week?

And then there’s four new starters on the OL.

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Bottom line, I feel strongly that Arch is going to bounce back.

I think that starts Saturday when he finally lets his guard down and just plays ball.

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Transition year. The OL, TE, and RB funnel will need to be rebuilt via the portal this offseason, in the same way they dedicated all those resources to the DL last summer. 

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Not trying to go full Satya, but there's a chance that our OL room has gone to shit. We've had some questionable recruiting takes/numbers decisions and shit might be coming home to roost. Maybe it's the "large humans" strategy, the development process, the offensive scheme, and/or something else, but it appears Texas has a glaring problem at OL right now.

Frankly Satya has been right about a lot of the problems with the roster that everyone castigated and belittled him for
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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

it is super slow motion, so it is easy to make judgements. This is what I am looking at 

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Arch has been flushed and moving up in the pocket. He can gear it down. 

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second later he is not looking at Arch and just running his route appearing to be unaware that Arch is on the move

 

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He ends up out here

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I am just saying I think a more polished veteran WR would recognize his QB has been flushed and would adjust his route, but maybe that is not taught, or they just do not have that type of chemistry. it is not something that is major issue, just some of the little things Texas is not doing as an offense. 

Maybe. But in the video it did appear Wingo had geared down was just trotting. Given Arch's apparently inability to throw anything but fastballs, I actually though Wingo's slow drift to the middle of the field was helping him get in a window for Arch to throw in. 

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30 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Sitting in zones is a hard skill to teach receivers. You gotta have a feel for it and know the defenses coverages 

I prefaced it with that, so no disagreement here. 

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1 hour ago, MuellerHorn said:

Not trying to go full Satya, but there's a chance that our OL room has gone to shit. We've had some questionable recruiting takes/numbers decisions and shit might be coming home to roost. Maybe it's the "large humans" strategy, the development process, the offensive scheme, and/or something else, but it appears Texas has a glaring problem at OL right now.

Dude, we mostly had the same starters 3 years in a row.  All of them got drafted or signed to an NFL practice squad.  Those same guys struggled to run the ball against 3 man fronts their 1st and 2nd year.  Then became Joe Moore award finalists two years in a row.  We have recruited extremely well.  Of the current 5 starters, 3 will be drafted by the NFL, 1 will likely be a 1st round pick.  You must have a very short memory if you watch this OL that is extremely inexperienced and think they have gone to shit.  They are making mistakes, as would be expected for 4 new starters.  Even then, they played very well against a NFL Ohio State front in their first game together and have done well both in run blocking and pass blocking.  There are weak areas but there's not too may teams I'm trading our OL room for or Flood for.  I'm not expecting this OL to be better than last years or the year before.  There is a weak link in Stroh.  But this will be a very good OL towards the end of the year and they will be very good next year as I imagine most of them will be back outside of DJ Campbell.  We've recruited multiple 5 stars on the OL over the years and our NFL draft success has been the best it ever has in the last 20 damn years.  We just had a guy win the outland trophy.  Maybe let the guy that is responsible for all this success have more than 3 damn games to get 4 new starters to gel together.  You must of forgotten when we went into spring with 6 total lineman just a 5 years ago.  Or maybe you forgot the years we were starting the likes of Cameron Hughes...

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3 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Dude, we mostly had the same starters 3 years in a row.  All of them got drafted or signed to an NFL practice squad.  Those same guys struggled to run the ball against 3 man fronts their 1st and 2nd year.  Then became Joe Moore award finalists two years in a row.  We have recruited extremely well.  Of the current 5 starters, 3 will be drafted by the NFL, 1 will likely be a 1st round pick.  You must have a very short memory if you watch this OL that is extremely inexperienced and think they have gone to shit.  They are making mistakes, as would be expected for 4 year starters.  Even then, they played very well against a NFL Ohio State front in their first game together and have done well both in run blocking and pass blocking.  There are weak areas but there's not to may teams I'm trading our OL room for or Flood for.  I'm not expecting this OL to be better than last years or the year before.  There is a weak link in Stroh.  But this will be a very good OL towards the end of the year and they will be very good next year as I imagine most of them will be back outside of DJ Campbell.  We've recruited multiple 5 stars on the OL over the years and our NFL draft success has been the best it ever has in the last 20 damn years.  We just had a guy win the outland trophy.  Maybe let the guy that is responsible for all this success have more than 3 damn games to get 4 new starters to gel together.  You must of forgotten when we went into spring with 6 total lineman just a 5 years ago.

They haven’t gone to shit, they are shit. Even with Joe Moore finalist we fucking sucked running the ball vs elite opponents(the ones you need to beat to win national championships)

 

stroh is flat out dog shit and Hutson is shit. Baker is coming on and inexperience can be used. Campbell is what he is at this point which is above average penalty merchant. Goosby is legit 

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

it is super slow motion, so it is easy to make judgements. This is what I am looking at 

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Arch has been flushed and moving up in the pocket. He can gear it down. 

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second later he is not looking at Arch and just running his route appearing to be unaware that Arch is on the move

 

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He ends up out here

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I am just saying I think a more polished veteran WR would recognize his QB has been flushed and would adjust his route, but maybe that is not taught, or they just do not have that type of chemistry. it is not something that is major issue, just some of the little things Texas is not doing as an offense. 

I too thought Wingo needs to run a better route. First off he rounds off the top of the route instead of getting out of the break quicker. Then he just kind of glides. I know he's expecting the ball earlier, and once Arch hesitates he's kind of floating and looking for the hole in the zone. But, because the safety was very late coming up to the route he had time to shift enough to give Arch a lane but sit the route down. Wasn't a horrible route as it was good enough to get the job done against poor coverage, but needs to be better to beat a better DB room. 

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1 minute ago, victory88 said:

Dude, we mostly had the same starters 3 years in a row.  All of them got drafted or signed to an NFL practice squad.  Those same guys struggled to run the ball against 3 man fronts their 1st and 2nd year.  Then became Joe Moore award finalists two years in a row.  We have recruited extremely well.  Of the current 5 starters, 3 will be drafted by the NFL, 1 will likely be a 1st round pick.  You must have a very short memory if you watch this OL that is extremely inexperienced and think they have gone to shit.  They are making mistakes, as would be expected for 4 year starters.  Even then, they played very well against a NFL Ohio State front in their first game together and have done well both in run blocking and pass blocking.  There are weak areas but there's not to may teams I'm trading our OL room for or Flood for.  I'm not expecting this OL to be better than last years or the year before.  There is a weak link in Stroh.  But this will be a very good OL towards the end of the year and they will be very good next year as I imagine most of them will be back outside of DJ Campbell.  We've recruited multiple 5 stars on the OL over the years and our NFL draft success has been the best it ever has in the last 20 damn years.  We just had a guy win the outland trophy.  Maybe let the guy that is responsible for all this success have more than 3 damn games to get 4 new starters to gel together.  You must of forgotten when we went into spring with 6 total lineman just a 5 years ago.

Ill put this as a counter. Physicality has been a continual issue with the OL. People continue to bitch about Sark and the play calls in the redzone. The bigger issue the last few years, is the OL cannot move people. They are generally screeners. I kind of got that when the line was more athletic. They are less athletic and through 3 games still appear to be a finesse OL. Arch is currently the most pressured QB in the SEC. The number is in the high 30s as a percentile of drop backs. That is vs pretty weak DLs and an OSU team that played coverage the vast majority of the game (also why the run game looked better)

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1 hour ago, MuellerHorn said:

Not trying to go full Satya, but there's a chance that our OL room has gone to shit. We've had some questionable recruiting takes/numbers decisions and shit might be coming home to roost. Maybe it's the "large humans" strategy, the development process, the offensive scheme, and/or something else, but it appears Texas has a glaring problem at OL right now.

What gave it away?

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4 hours ago, Codaxx said:

These runs with Simon just make me ask why have we not seen this guy until this game. I heard this stat on Simon, he averaged 3.9 yards per carry in this game and 4.2 yards after carry. Just think about that. He is 2nd on the team in forced missed tackles with 5 on 16 carries (Arch #1, 9 on 23). He needs to be on the field more. Staff needs to get him ready. 

I liked Simon a lot in this one, at least he seemed to know what gap the play is blocked to go. He's quick for a guy his size and runs with power. We've been lacking a back that can break tackles like he did Saturday. 

I would like to see him get more snaps with Endries on the field. He was let down by Washington and Winston several times. Washington seems like he knows what to do and can physically get there, he just passes up blocks looking to get deeper to the DB level too much. That one where he passes off to Endries I'm thinking is his mistake, as I can't imagine why you would design the TEs to pass off to each other like that when they're lead blocking playside. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

They haven’t gone to shit, they are shit. Even with Joe Moore finalist we fucking sucked running the ball vs elite opponents(the ones you need to beat to win national championships)

Everyone sucks running the ball against elite opponents you stupid fuck, that's why they are "elite" opponents.  Would you like to share the stats of how well the #1 team in the country ran against our D-line at their house with what they consider one of their best OL in recent history?  If your expectation is that we are going to run for 200 yards every time we play UGA, ohio state... you should just stop watching college football.  No team runs well against those D-lines.  Hell those teams couldn't run well against us last year or this year.  We ran for 200+ yards against some damn good defensive fronts in aggy, ou, clemson last year.  I imagine we are going to run very well against some good fronts this year as well.  We're not in the Saban era of college football where you can stack elite 5 star tackles behind one another by dropping 50k bags on their door step.  Those days are gone with NIL.  Go see how well Georgia and Ohio State run the ball against elite fronts... .they don't!  And those 2 programs are what the rest of the sport are aspiring to be.  

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

People continue to bitch about Sark and the play calls in the redzone. The bigger issue the last few years, is the OL cannot move people. They are generally screeners. I kind of got that when the line was more athletic. 

This is 100% correct. Sark knows it is correct.

However, when Sark calls redzone & 4th and short plays as if we have the 1995 Dallas Cowboys o-line, that is his fault. 

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2 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

This is 100% correct. Sark knows it is correct.

However, when Sark calls redzone & 4th and short plays as if we have the 1995 Dallas Cowboys o-line, that is his fault. 

I get that. Sark is not immune to criticism here, but being able to run the ball in short field situations makes calling plays 100x easier

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2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Everyone sucks running the ball against elite opponents you stupid fuck, that's why they are "elite" opponents.  Would you like to share the stats of how well the #1 team in the country ran against our D-line at their house with what they consider one of their best OL in recent history?  If your expectation is that we are going to run for 200 yards every time we play UGA, ohio state... you should just stop watching college football. 

LOL.  Beat me to it.  We had a top tier line in college football the past 2 years.   They weren't perfect but pretty damn good.  Numerous games (including Bama '23) we were able to just run the ball in the 4th quarter at will to put the game away.    Numerous games when Ewers struggled last year we were able to lean on our run game.  See in particular down the stretch (Kentucky, A&M, Clemson).

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5 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Everyone sucks running the ball against elite opponents you stupid fuck, that's why they are "elite" opponents.  Would you like to share the stats of how well the #1 team in the country ran against our D-line at their house with what they consider one of their best OL in recent history?  If your expectation is that we are going to run for 200 yards every time we play UGA, ohio state... you should just stop watching college football.  No team runs well against those D-lines.  Hell those teams couldn't run well against us last year or this year.  We ran for 200+ yards against some damn good defensive fronts in aggy, ou, clemson last year.  I imagine we are going to run very well against some good fronts this year as well.  We're not in the Saban era of college football where you can stack elite 5 star tackles behind one another by dropping 50k bags on their door step.  Those days are gone with NIL.  Go see how well Georgia and Ohio State run the ball against elite fronts... .they don't!  And those 2 programs are what the rest of the sport are aspiring to be.  

My expectations for a good running game is 125-150 yards from running backs. If I were betting I’d bet against the teams in top 5 were 1-6 against the only win is RBs as a team that has hit that mark or greater and I’d bet we’ve rushed for fewer than 100 by running backs in those loses. Also we have not been able to punch in or get first downs in short yardage situations. That is shit period. Make any excuse you want but running game vs elite teams is shit

 

 

 

aggie isn’t elite. Clemson defense was shit. Oklahoma defense was on field the entire time. Tell me about Michigan, Ohio state, Georgia, etc. 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Ill put this as a counter. Physicality has been a continual issue with the OL. People continue to bitch about Sark and the play calls in the redzone. The bigger issue the last few years, is the OL cannot move people. They are generally screeners. I kind of got that when the line was more athletic. They are less athletic and through 3 games still appear to be a finesse OL. Arch is currently the most pressured QB in the SEC. The number is in the high 30s as a percentile of drop backs. That is vs pretty weak DLs and an OSU team that played coverage the vast majority of the game (also why the run game looked better)

Did the OL not move people against aggy, ou, clemson last year?  Were they not all considered good defensive fronts?  We pretty much whipped all 3 in the ground game and were by far the more physical team.  Our issue is not moving people outside of UGA and OSU.  We could have 5 NFL prospects on the OL starting and I'd still expect us to struggle against DL with high NFL draft picks, that's the nature of college football.  Our issue is that for years now, we don't have a RB that can run inside.  Baxter is the only one and he gets injured if you breathe on him.  This rears it's ugly head in the redzone when we can't exactly bounce it outside on 4th and 1.  There are issues and weaknesses.  I know you know your stuff because you post intelligently.  Did you expect 4 new starters to come in and be dominant immediately?  Some of what we are seeing is that they are seeing some gimmicky fronts and still learning to process stunts.  I'm fully expecting us to struggle against UGA and ou but I think we are going to run the ball very well against the rest of the schedule.  Arch is going to have to make some plays against UGA and ou for us to win those games.  These games where talent on the OL is neutralized when we face elite defenses, the games that are won are generally by the QB that can make those 1-2 plays that determine the game.  Howard made them last year, Stockton made them last year.  Quinn couldn't.  Let's hope Arch can.

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