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5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Dudes. Texas is out. Accept it. They are one of the best 12 teams in the country, and probably one of the top 5, but it doesn’t matter. The cosmic tumblers of the universe didnt align. 

Yep. We gave ourselves a chance beating aggy, but there wasn’t enough chaos elsewhere for us. Oh well. Go win the bowl game and finish 10-3 

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23 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Dudes. Texas is out. Accept it. They are one of the best 12 teams in the country, and probably one of the top 5, but it doesn’t matter. The cosmic tumblers of the universe didnt align. 

NYT model has us at 5%. That strikes me as about right. It’s a super unlikely outcome but what else do I have better to do right this minute?  Tomorrow will be work and shit. Today can discuss and dream. 

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18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yep. We gave ourselves a chance beating aggy, but there wasn’t enough chaos elsewhere for us. Oh well. Go win the bowl game and finish 10-3 

There wasn’t any. It’s been a truly bizarre year in that sense. During the OU v LSU game Texas got all the way up to +138 to make the playoffs. Thats like a 40% chance?  33%?  Something like that. 

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47 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Vandy actually dropped a spot after crushing #19 Tennessee in Neyland, their fans are furious too.

The real crime is BYU and Miami shoehorned in ahead both of us.

Maybe we should have never scheduled Texas Tech and then we would be undefeated...

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i think you're just upset that i didn't mention the 1887 Edmunds-Tucker Act disenfranchised the First Presidency of all assets valued over $50000 which makes the cold start from that day forward even more impressive when considering #teamkolob has $293 Billion under management by ensign peak advisors

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1 hour ago, cafe society said:

The committee says a lot of shit that they go back on.  That's a constant.

This is the reality. There is no consistent framework. It's whatever each year's random selection of biased humans decide to weigh. It comes down to simple mental biases: Texas has 3 losses compared to 2. Nevermind they played 5 current top-15 teams and one of those was a 7-point road loss to the defending champ who hasn't had another single-digit game all year. Vandy is named Vandy instead of Notre Dame or Oklahoma. They must suck! Utah's AD is the chairman of the committee.

The sad part is the message it sends about OOC games. Teams are way better off playing a middling ACC or Big 12 program than someone like OSU or Notre Dame. People will counter with examples of playoff teams that had tough OOC games (ND, A&M, tOSU), to which I say - where would that team be ranked if they didn't play that game and got an easy win instead? A&M would still be in the playoffs easily even with a weak-ass SEC schedule. ND would be top 5. OSU would still be #1. Basically, it wouldn't make a difference at all, especially if you have a tough SEC schedule on top like Texas/Bama.

Basically, if Texas had played Tartleton State instead of Ohio St, they would probably be ranked 8 or 9. If they had beat OSU, they would probably be ranked 6-8 (maybe pass ATM and/or OM). The risk/reward of playing that game is nowhere close to worth it. 

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3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

There wasn’t any. It’s been a truly bizarre year in that sense. During the OU v LSU game Texas got all the way up to +138 to make the playoffs. Thats like a 40% chance?  33%?  Something like that. 

Really?  1/2.38 is right at a 42% chance

Posted
4 minutes ago, WBT said:

I think we needed both which is why I'm surprised the odds went that low.

The odds went that low because I think the SEC is a 5 bid league and we were always gonna get that 5th spot if it opened up. But if it doesnt (and it didnt), the committee will disrespect us because the pressure campaign wont be used anymore. 

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MSM has this article headline: Texas climbs the AP Poll after exposing a fraudulent Texas A&M team in DKR

It mentions our three top ten wins and says better quality wins than 90% of the country. (Prob s/b 100%) It castigates selection process if we don't make it.

It also has a link to last second commitment who was headed to Baylor, Jamarion Carlton, who, at 6'5" 260lbs could start as a freshman. https://hookemheadlines.com/texas-steals-coveted-blue-chip-recruit-from-baylor-after-lone-star-showdown-jamarion-carlton-upset-01kb8r6jdw5y

Texas climbs the AP Poll after exposing a fraudulent Texas A&M team in DKR

Posted (edited)
51 minutes ago, WBT said:

Really?  1/2.38 is right at a 42% chance

Dude- they don’t give fair odds in gambling. The house has a rake. And I have no idea how big or small it is during in game betting like that. Thus the question mark.  I’m guessing if they are giving +138 they don’t think it’s a 42% chance but rather less than that. Do you think they’d give even odds if they thought it was 50/50?  Absolutely not. That’s why when they price with a point spread it’s -110. 
The more you know. 
 

from chat gpt:

 

Yep — you’re right on the instincts. Short answer: convert the +138 to an implied probability (≈ 42.02%) and then remember that number almost certainly overstates Texas’s “true” probability because futures markets carry an overround (vig) and extra margin for long-term liability.

Here’s a clean way to think about it and a quick cheat-sheet you can use without the whole 24-team board.

1) Break-even implied probability

+138 →

Implied=100138+100=100238≈42.02%Implied=138+100100=23810042.02%

That’s the percentage you’d need to be correct long-term to break even at +138.

2) Futures vig / overround — how to remove it

The bookmaker’s overround (sum of implied probs − 100%) tells you how much juice is baked in. If you don’t have the full market, use a plausible overround estimate for futures. Futures markets typically carry substantially higheroverrounds than simple spread markets — commonly ~5% to 15%, sometimes even 15–25% on messy, auto-bid/auto-qualify markets.

To estimate the fair probability, divide the implied probability by (1 + overround). Example formula:

pfair≈pimplied1+overroundpfair1+overroundpimplied

3) Quick examples using +138 (implied 42.02%):

  • If overround = 5% → fair ≈ 42.02 / 1.05 = 40.02%

  • If overround = 10% → fair ≈ 42.02 / 1.10 = 38.20%

  • If overround = 15% → fair ≈ 42.02 / 1.15 = 36.54%

  • If overround = 20% → fair ≈ 42.02 / 1.20 = 35.02%

So depending on how juicy the futures book is, Vegas’s actual internal estimate for Texas might be anywhere from ~35–40% (or even lower on a heavily-vigged market), not the raw 42%.

4) Why futures carry more juice

  • Long liability horizon: bettors can hedge many ways; book wants protection.

  • Thin markets: fewer bettors → larger margins to manage risk.

  • Complexity (auto bids, tie-ins, auto-qualifying slots): more uncertainty, so bigger cuts.

  • Public money bias: shops shade prices to reduce exposure on popular teams.

5) Practical next steps (if you want to quantify it):

  • If you can paste a subset of the market (even the top 6–8 teams) I’ll sum implied probs and compute overround.

  • Or I can pull current market consensus/aggregate odds and compute the true overround (I’d need to search the boards).

  • If you just want a quick rule: assume ~10% overround on a complicated futures market and treat +138 as closer to ~38% true.

You were right to distrust the raw 42% — treat that as the break-even number, not Vegas’s unbiased belief. Want me to pull some current market numbers and do the math on the whole playoff field?

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Posted
3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

There wasn’t any. It’s been a truly bizarre year in that sense. During the OU v LSU game Texas got all the way up to +138 to make the playoffs. Thats like a 40% chance?  33%?  Something like that. 

That was an unlikely and frustrating Turkey Saturday.  OU, Bama, UGA we're all facing virtual elimination on the last drive of the game but the favorites went 3-0.

1 hour ago, Tex-19 said:

This is the reality. There is no consistent framework. It's whatever each year's random selection of biased humans decide to weigh. It comes down to simple mental biases: Texas has 3 losses compared to 2. Nevermind they played 5 current top-15 teams and one of those was a 7-point road loss to the defending champ who hasn't had another single-digit game all year. Vandy is named Vandy instead of Notre Dame or Oklahoma. They must suck! Utah's AD is the chairman of the committee.

The sad part is the message it sends about OOC games. Teams are way better off playing a middling ACC or Big 12 program than someone like OSU or Notre Dame. People will counter with examples of playoff teams that had tough OOC games (ND, A&M, tOSU), to which I say - where would that team be ranked if they didn't play that game and got an easy win instead? A&M would still be in the playoffs easily even with a weak-ass SEC schedule. ND would be top 5. OSU would still be #1. Basically, it wouldn't make a difference at all, especially if you have a tough SEC schedule on top like Texas/Bama.

Basically, if Texas had played Tartleton State instead of Ohio St, they would probably be ranked 8 or 9. If they had beat OSU, they would probably be ranked 6-8 (maybe pass ATM and/or OM). The risk/reward of playing that game is nowhere close to worth it. 

The PC almost always follows the computers, it is their justifications in the media that are all over the map.

 

The exception that proved the rule is FSU in 2023.  The computers didn't know the QB was injured.

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The ONLY way Texas sneaks in is if BYU/Bama lose and they drop them both behind texas(and Texas jumps Miami as they should).  That assumes they the committee would not see the “teams can’t drop by playing in the CCG” as a rule and more a guideline like the whole “tough OOC games won’t hurt you”. 
 

but honesty I want to see BYU win.  Just for the chaos it’ll cause.  They’ll have to be in and Tech won’t drop from 5 with 1 loss not to out completely.  
 

So one of OU/ND/Bama would drop to 11 and thus be kicked for the ACC/G5 champ. 
 

imagine the hoops to drop ND(we all know then won’t) or Bama(and throw out the CCG loser being left out) or even a higher ranked OU who did nothing to drop in the polls. 
 

we’d not only get a move to 16, but do away with the CCGs and tough OOC games going away all in one offseason maybe. 😂 

Posted
1 hour ago, Drew said:

The ONLY way Texas sneaks in is if BYU/Bama lose and they drop them both behind texas(and Texas jumps Miami as they should).  That assumes they the committee would not see the “teams can’t drop by playing in the CCG” as a rule and more a guideline like the whole “tough OOC games won’t hurt you”. 
 

but honesty I want to see BYU win.  Just for the chaos it’ll cause.  They’ll have to be in and Tech won’t drop from 5 with 1 loss not to out completely.  
 

So one of OU/ND/Bama would drop to 11 and thus be kicked for the ACC/G5 champ. 
 

imagine the hoops to drop ND(we all know then won’t) or Bama(and throw out the CCG loser being left out) or even a higher ranked OU who did nothing to drop in the polls. 
 

 

I have no doubt Bama will play Georgia close enough that a loss won't be a problem.

The easiest thing to do will be for the committee to say Florida loss kept us out and point out our SOR is not in top 10.  when we all know it is just the loss column number. 

the BYU winning conundrum would be hilarious though.  Going to 16 is problematic because the committee wants byes to keep conf champ games more relevant when both participants are obviously in like Indiana/OSU.  G5 playing #1 team is also a much lower chance of pulling an upset.  now they play #5.

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The problem is not the playoff format (although I don’t like the concept at all). The problem is these mega-conferences which create scheduling imbalances inherently.  It’s a problem colleges made for themselves. In a pre-2024 world:

- The SEC West has sorted out Ole Miss, ‘Bama, and A&M with one team going to CCG and maybe one an outside shot at an at-large. 

- The PAC-12 is looking to send one of likely Oregon and USC.

- The ACC’s best team in Miami is heading to a CCG and not at home due to scheduling weirdness. Or is just out and two teams that won divisions are in.

- The Big XII has whittled down OU, Texas, Tech, and BYU to two or max three.

But as I’ve said, the playoff was a solution to a problem that only existed in the hot takes of sports talking heads. And at this point we spend all our energy trying to fix the playoff at the expense of all the stuff that made CFB great like regional rivalries, fun OOC games, battles for conference bragging rights, mid-major interest and engagement, etc. Bass-ackwards. 

 

 

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Posted
Just now, DaysOff said:

There's just too many SEC teams in front of us right now. Their not going to put in 6. Hell, last year it was 3.

This is and has always been my point. 

Posted (edited)
58 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

There's just too many SEC teams in front of us right now. Their not going to put in 6. Hell, last year it was 3.

Which is why the only real chance is bama/BYU loss and jumping Texas up.  
 

I still want chaos and BYU winning now. Seeing which team gets screwed and bumped out so 2 big 12 teams get in.  
 

They’re  giving Texas shit for politicking watch what happens when’s ND/Bama/OU is doing it.  

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55 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is and has always been my point. 

Agreed.  OU/Bama not losing really was the nail.  I’d love to see a bama loss drop them but they won’t do it most likely. 
 

but bumping them out because BYU won would be hilarious. 
 

Would not surprise me at all to see these rankings have both ND and Bama jump OU so they don’t have to make a decision between ND and a possible SEC loss Bama being edged out for BYU and can drop OU to 11 to put BYU in at 10.  

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Not UT related but it'll be interesting to see where Ole Miss ends up. This year there is a big difference between being the 6 seed and 7 seed. 5 and 6 get Tulane/UVA/UNT first round. 7 gets Bama or ND.

Oregon, ATM, Ole Miss likely fighting for the 5-7 seeds. Oregon probably #5. Ole Miss and ATM seem like a toss up for 6.

Of course a Bama or BYU win could change things as well.

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The problem is not the playoff format (although I don’t like the concept at all). The problem is these mega-conferences which create scheduling imbalances inherently.  It’s a problem colleges made for themselves. In a pre-2024 world:

- The SEC West has sorted out Ole Miss, ‘Bama, and A&M with one team going to CCG and maybe one an outside shot at an at-large. 

- The PAC-12 is looking to send one of likely Oregon and USC.

- The ACC’s best team in Miami is heading to a CCG and not at home due to scheduling weirdness. Or is just out and two teams that won divisions are in.

- The Big XII has whittled down OU, Texas, Tech, and BYU to two or max three.

But as I’ve said, the playoff was a solution to a problem that only existed in the hot takes of sports talking heads. And at this point we spend all our energy trying to fix the playoff at the expense of all the stuff that made CFB great like regional rivalries, fun OOC games, battles for conference bragging rights, mid-major interest and engagement, etc. Bass-ackwards. 

 

 

Is there any rule that forbids a conference from using the playoff committee, or something like the AP poll to determine who plays in the conference championship game?

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3 hours ago, Drew said:

Agreed.  OU/Bama not losing really was the nail.  I’d love to see a bama loss drop them but they won’t do it most likely. 
 

but bumping them out because BYU won would be hilarious. 
 

Would not surprise me at all to see these rankings have both ND and Bama jump OU so they don’t have to make a decision between ND and a possible SEC loss Bama being edged out for BYU and can drop OU to 11 to put BYU in at 10.  

A&M, UGA, Bama,

 

Ole Miss, OU, Vandy.

UT

 

It seems to me that a BYU win means that the SEC will have to make do with 'only' four teams in the playoffs.  There are ample reasons to say 'sorry' to number five.

Posted
20 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Is there any rule that forbids a conference from using the playoff committee, or something like the AP poll to determine who plays in the conference championship game?

oh sweet summer child have you opened a can....

Posted
49 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Is there any rule that forbids a conference from using the playoff committee, or something like the AP poll to determine who plays in the conference championship game?

Idk but there should be a rule that you can't be in the CFP if you're not in a conference

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50 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

A&M, UGA, Bama,

 

Ole Miss, OU, Vandy.

UT

 

It seems to me that a BYU win means that the SEC will have to make do with 'only' four teams in the playoffs.  There are ample reasons to say 'sorry' to number five.

Agreed.

But the SEC SEC SEC folks seem to think that the CFP is supposed to be an SEC Invitational Tournament.

I really hope they go 0-fer in the playoffs...and I really, really hope it's Tech that sends aTm packing.

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2 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Agreed.

But the SEC SEC SEC folks seem to think that the CFP is supposed to be an SEC Invitational Tournament.

I really hope they go 0-fer in the playoffs...and I really, really hope it's Tech that sends aTm packing.

It's going to wind up being an SEC and Big Ten tournament if better teams than most of the field keep getting left out.

Posted
Just now, David Dennison said:

It's going to wind up being an SEC and Big Ten tournament if better teams than most of the field keep getting left out.

Here's the thing...

Tech would love to schedule these teams in OOC, but they can't get any buyers (I would bet BYU and others would say the same thing).  So if BIG and SEC refuse to schedule the other P2 schools, then how can they then say the other P2 schools should be excluded because they "don't play anybody"?  If BIG & SEC are so confident that they are so much superior top to bottom than Big12 and ACC, why won't they schedule them with reciprocal home games?  Oregon at least did with Tech, so I'll give UO credit for stepping up to the plate when most in their conference and SEC won't.

What really pisses me off is the 8 game conference schedule in the SEC to boot.  Yes, I now that changes next year (thankfully), but this year SEC teams played 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9.  So it's a damn racket.  (1) Criticize B12 and ACC for not having as strong a schedule, but (2) won't schedule B12 and ACC, (3) only playing 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9, and then (4) demand more teams in the CFP because SEC is obviously superior to everyone else.

Forgive me if I refuse to concede that SEC is just that much better of a conference.  It's more of a self-fulfilling prophesy conference.

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Here's the thing...

Tech would love to schedule these teams in OOC, but they can't get any buyers (I would bet BYU and others would say the same thing).  So if BIG and SEC refuse to schedule the other P2 schools, then how can they then say the other P2 schools should be excluded because they "don't play anybody"?  If BIG & SEC are so confident that they are so much superior top to bottom than Big12 and ACC, why won't they schedule them with reciprocal home games?  Oregon at least did with Tech, so I'll give UO credit for stepping up to the plate when most in their conference and SEC won't.

What really pisses me off is the 8 game conference schedule in the SEC to boot.  Yes, I now that changes next year (thankfully), but this year SEC teams played 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9.  So it's a damn racket.  (1) Criticize B12 and ACC for not having as strong a schedule, but (2) won't schedule B12 and ACC, (3) only playing 8 conference games to everyone else playing 9, and then (4) demand more teams in the CFP because SEC is obviously superior to everyone else.

Forgive me if I refuse to concede that SEC is just that much better of a conference.  It's more of a self-fulfilling prophesy conference.

The SEC and Big Ten do not need the Big 12 or ACC.

The Big 12 and the ACC need the SEC and Big Ten.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's going to wind up being an SEC and Big Ten tournament if better teams than most of the field keep getting left out.

It's like we traveled back in time to last year and found ourselves on a Bama board

Hate to keep repeating myself, but again, the playoff just needs to be expanded to where it should be and this isn't even a conversation. 16 teams and nobody but Colin Cowherd complains about a team getting left out. 24 teams with 8 byes or whatever is even better. Tell Notre Dame to go fuck itself until it joins a conference, and tell the G5 to have its own playoff. Problem solved in perpetuity.

2 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Oregon at least did with Tech, so I'll give UO credit for stepping up to the plate when most in their conference and SEC won't.

And they still honored it even when the game in Eugene had to be cancelled. That's how you conduct yourself, not the way the SEC does things.

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The SEC and Big Ten do not need the Big 12 or ACC.

The Big 12 and the ACC need the SEC and Big Ten.

It's hilarious to watch people just become the biggest koolaid drinkers. Or in DD's case, a koolaid drinking robot.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's hilarious to watch people just become the biggest koolaid drinkers. Or in DD's case, a koolaid drinking robot.

There is a top tier of college football. The Big 12 and ACC are not in it.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

There is a top tier of college football. The Big 12 and ACC are not in it.

You're right. And most SEC/B1G teams aren't it either. Do you have any other takes I could get from ChatGPT?

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

You're right. And most SEC/B1G teams aren't it either. Do you have any other takes I could get from ChatGPT?

Alabama should have been in the CFP last year. That was obvious after the first round.

Ironically, I've never used ChatGPT. 

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

You're right. And most SEC/B1G teams aren't it either. Do you have any other takes I could get from ChatGPT?

The top of both conferences are superior to the rest of CFB. The middle and bottom are the same. Clemson beat SCar on the road Saturday and Louisville (coming off 3 bad losses) destroyed KY. Neither were considered upsets. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Alabama should have been in the CFP last year. That was obvious after the first round.

Ironically, I've never used ChatGPT. 

Tennessee got destroyed in the playoff. Should they have been in?

Posted
Just now, 4th&Five said:

Tennessee got destroyed in the playoff. Should they have been in?

Getting destroyed by the eventual national champion on the road versus getting dogwalked by a shitty PSU team are two totally different scenarios. 

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ND should be considered as its own G level conference champ and take that auto bid if they are the highest rated.  Things feel much cleaner if nd is in instead of Memphis/UNT as opposed to along with. 

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Have not read thread closely. Assuming OSU and UGA win this week, 2 of our 3 losses will likely have been to the eventual 1 and 2 overall seeds. If this were March Madness, with our wins, we would not even be a bubble team. And yes, I mean for a 12-team field.

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I really like 16 teams, with the top 8 seeds getting byes.  Needs to be a strong reward for being top 8.  Also, we don't want the tourney going past about a month.  Get rid of conference championship games.   Start the weekend championship games started.  Finish in mid-January.  Do it this way and you could even have a rest week either a. in between first and 2nd round games or b. between semis and final game.  I like the rest week between semis and championship game.  

Have selection Sunday immediately after the last Saturday.  Using this year's schedule, selection Sunday would be yesterday.  Games start this weekend.  #16 vs 9, 15 vs 10, 14 vs 11, 13 vs 12.  

The only question remaining in my mind is do you re-seed after first round games?  I would try it without reseeding, but be open to the idea of re-seeding. 

 

 

 

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Just now, JGrayDBU said:

I really like 16 teams, with the top 8 seeds getting byes.  Needs to be a strong reward for being top 8.  Also, we don't want the tourney going past about a month.  Get rid of conference championship games.   Start the weekend championship games started.  Finish in mid-January.  Do it this way and you could even have a rest week either a. in between first and 2nd round games or b. between semis and final game.  I like the rest week between semis and championship game.  

Have selection Sunday immediately after the last Saturday.  Using this year's schedule, selection Sunday would be yesterday.  Games start this weekend.  #16 vs 9, 15 vs 10, 14 vs 11, 13 vs 12.  

The only question remaining in my mind is do you re-seed after first round games?  I would try it without reseeding, but be open to the idea of re-seeding. 

 

 

 

I hate re-seeding, tbh 

Posted
1 minute ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Guess which of one our esteemed writers has us as the 13th best team in the AP poll 2 spots behind Virginia? 

Goddamn I hate that guy. He just will never go away.

Posted
1 minute ago, JGrayDBU said:

I really like 16 teams, with the top 8 seeds getting byes.  Needs to be a strong reward for being top 8.  Also, we don't want the tourney going past about a month.  Get rid of conference championship games.   Start the weekend championship games started.  Finish in mid-January.  Do it this way and you could even have a rest week either a. in between first and 2nd round games or b. between semis and final game.  I like the rest week between semis and championship game.  

Have selection Sunday immediately after the last Saturday.  Using this year's schedule, selection Sunday would be yesterday.  Games start this weekend.  #16 vs 9, 15 vs 10, 14 vs 11, 13 vs 12.  

The only question remaining in my mind is do you re-seed after first round games?  I would try it without reseeding, but be open to the idea of re-seeding. 

 

 

 

So the top 4 get a double bye? 

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