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Posted
7 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Sucks UF lost, and I think their refs sucked anus titties, too. 

My wild obsession this year is 4th and 1 decisions. 

Florida's decision to go for it instead of kick the FG was, IMHO, another idiotic decision. I'm guessing a few aspects drove the decision: mathematics (a td still beats them) and the notion of being "aggressive." 

What is not considered is the cost of failure in terms of emotion. Over and over, I've watched the team that stops the 4th down get a huge lift. You give them a victory. I think it changed Georgia's mindset. I think it deflated Florida a little bit. 

"Analytics" and announcers and coaches seem to consider it a math problem. Does three points really matter against what we may gain? They don't see it as giving the other team an opportunity for a small victory that they would otherwise not have. They also don't know the value of three points until very late in the game. 

Had Florida made the field goal and their own defense held, a later field goal would make it a two-score game. If Georgia scored a td (as they did), Florida would only have trailed by one point instead of four had they kicked it instead of going for the first. Their path to victory would be far easier.

For the emotional part, Florida had the momentum when the decision was made. They felt invincible. Georgia was down. That's the biggest thing, I think, you sacrifice when you go for it and fail. If you go for it and make the first, you still may be forced to kick a field goal.

The Houston game a few years back is the perfect example of this. We were killing them. They were ready to lay down. Instead of kicking a field goal, we let them stop us and they roared back. At the time, I thought it was stupid. 

Unless you're way behind, always take the points. You don't know the value of the points, and you need not give the opportunity to the other team to get a win.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Jimbob said:


the offsetting foul wasn’t related to Pavia being a pussy, it happened in the back of the end zone but I guess cameras didn’t catch it.  Their WR slung our DB to the ground out the back of the end zone and he got up and shoved him in the chest.  

Retaliation always gets flagged 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I don't know what you're talking about, honestly. The pylon shot was through a distorted lens (yes, slightly offset) and not dispositive. The best shot was from the ref's POV and it was super-close (I still think it was a bad call, should have gone to the D).

If it was over the plane, it would have touched the pylon. If it had touched the pylon, we would have seen it move in the overhead or seen the pylon cam image move. Since that didn’t happen, the ball was not over the portion of the plane in which the pylon existed.  
 

based on visual cues, the ball was never nearer the goal line plane than when it was near the pylon. So if it didn’t touch the pylon then, it couldn’t have compressed the plane previously in open space where a guess would have had to have been made. 
 

it’s ok to use middle school level science to mathematically prove it didn’t happen. 
 

instead we got…well there’s angles so we will just go with the on field call. 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

If nobody cares and you haven't given it thought why are you responding in the thread and to the topic?

Why do you care what others are discussing in a thread for the game on a Texas discussion board.

If you didn't really care about the topic, you wouldn't post in it at all, much less multi-quote people. 

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Methinks you are irony deaf. 

You also retreat to another Aggie sounding response proclaiming some wild hypocrisy because you can't understand what I am responding to. I'm guessing your neck veins protrude like penis veins.

See your doctor.

Posted
47 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Listen, nimrod, the angle of the ref showed it was close. He made the call (shitty call IMO). They didn't overturn. Get over it.

Whoa the bitch is mad.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Yes

 

so only like 2% of the horseshit calls.   Watching the Pavia tackle on Filsaime, there was a big block in the back by Vanderbilt to event let it get to that point.  At minimum should have been offsetting. Also just noticed the final kneel down of the game a Vandy player taking a cheap shot.  I want to like the vanderbilt story, but some of their players are making it very difficult. 

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Just now, MIkeHoncho said:

so only like 2% of the horseshit calls.   Watching the Pavia tackle on Filsaime, there was a big block in the back by Vanderbilt to event let it get to that point.  At minimum should have been offsetting. Also just noticed the final kneel down of the game a Vandy player taking a cheap shot.  I want to like the vanderbilt story, but some of their players are making it very difficult. 

Yes, there were a lot of other ones he could have thrown in. Vandy has always been a low-key dirty team. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

My wild obsession this year is 4th and 1 decisions. 

Florida's decision to go for it instead of kick the FG was, IMHO, another idiotic decision. I'm guessing a few aspects drove the decision: mathematics (a td still beats them) and the notion of being "aggressive." 

What is not considered is the cost of failure in terms of emotion. Over and over, I've watched the team that stops the 4th down get a huge lift. You give them a victory. I think it changed Georgia's mindset. I think it deflated Florida a little bit. 

"Analytics" and announcers and coaches seem to consider it a math problem. Does three points really matter against what we may gain? They don't see it as giving the other team an opportunity for a small victory that they would otherwise not have. They also don't know the value of three points until very late in the game. 

Had Florida made the field goal and their own defense held, a later field goal would make it a two-score game. If Georgia scored a td (as they did), Florida would only have trailed by one point instead of four had they kicked it instead of going for the first. Their path to victory would be far easier.

For the emotional part, Florida had the momentum when the decision was made. They felt invincible. Georgia was down. That's the biggest thing, I think, you sacrifice when you go for it and fail. If you go for it and make the first, you still may be forced to kick a field goal.

The Houston game a few years back is the perfect example of this. We were killing them. They were ready to lay down. Instead of kicking a field goal, we let them stop us and they roared back. At the time, I thought it was stupid. 

Unless you're way behind, always take the points. You don't know the value of the points, and you need not give the opportunity to the other team to get a win.

I absolutely agree with you about the mental aspect, and yeah, that for sure defeated UF's mindset and lifted UGA. It sucks, but they're emotional games, for both players, and sadly, refs. I truly believe in ref bias. We saw it yesterday with Pavia pulling Filsaime down with him to make it look like he was being "roughed", but then the pylon bullshit and the no-call DPI that Moseley should have easily gotten truly, and I mean truly convinced me. Not to mention all of the holding that wasn't being called, and I literally saw their RT grab Burke and slam him on the ground on his stomach. Then, at the very minimum 5 times, Simmons was being clotheslined. All of the times our entire front were on the ground? Listen, I get football players are strong, but give me a fucking break. You aren't putting Brevard, Kanu, Shaw, January, Watson, Lavon Johnson, Sharma, Charles, Terry, Simmons, Burke, Jackson, and Vasek all on the ground. These mf'ers weigh over 300 lbs, and our edges weigh at the very minimum 240 (Simmons) and at most 285 (Justus Terry), or even Ant Hill who weighs 240, and Spence also weighs 240.  I refuse to believe that shit. 

It took me back to the Okie Lite game in what, 2015 where we had some absurd number of ridiculous, ticky tacky calls, and OSU had zero throughout the entire game until like late in the 4th? Or when Strong got tossed for "bumping into the ref", even though it was blatantly obvious the ref did it to cause a scene? 

The game last night UF/UGA I saw some pretty ridiculous stuff called, but holy shit,  nothing compared to the shit we got hosed on. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, MIkeHoncho said:

so only like 2% of the horseshit calls.   Watching the Pavia tackle on Filsaime, there was a big block in the back by Vanderbilt to event let it get to that point.  At minimum should have been offsetting. Also just noticed the final kneel down of the game a Vandy player taking a cheap shot.  I want to like the vanderbilt story, but some of their players are making it very difficult. 

If you send in every call, they won’t take you seriously and you’ll get a rep with the league office for being a bitch 

They won’t do anything, but you select the most egregious calls/non-calls for them to look at 

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If it was over the plane, it would have touched the pylon. If it had touched the pylon, we would have seen it move in the overhead or seen the pylon cam image move. Since that didn’t happen, the ball was not over the portion of the plane in which the pylon existed.  
 

based on visual cues, the ball was never nearer the goal line plane than when it was near the pylon. So if it didn’t touch the pylon then, it couldn’t have compressed the plane previously in open space where a guess would have had to have been made. 
 

it’s ok to use middle school level science to mathematically prove it didn’t happen. 
 

instead we got…well there’s angles so we will just go with the on field call. 

I disagree with your premise. The ball went closest to the plane a few feet away from the pylon. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If you send in every call, they won’t take you seriously and you’ll get a rep with the league office for being a bitch 

They won’t do anything, but you select the most egregious calls/non-calls for them to look at 

If the league office treats those calls like the Big12 did, then we’ll know their level of integrity is on a par with those cucks.

Posted
48 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

No, it didn't. The closest the ball was at the pylon. It didn't touch the pylon, therefore it never crossed at anytime before that. 

Why are you saying the closest the ball was to the plane was "at the pylon" when the player stuck the ball out well before the pylon?

Posted
1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

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This is the one and only image showing the ball possibly getting to the goal line. For the ref to call it good is either him (1) anticipating it or (2) wanting the score to happen.   Both are just very poor officiating, with the 2nd being what leads to the gambling conspiracy theory. 

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Posted
Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Fair disagreement. Care to make the effort to show it to me?

The picture we're all looking at from the closest sideline is him reaching out at his farthest point and it's not at the pylon.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If you send in every call, they won’t take you seriously and you’ll get a rep with the league office for being a bitch 

They won’t do anything, but you select the most egregious calls/non-calls for them to look at 

Particularly when there is very, very clear video evidence supporting them. And for those 2 there was both clear evidence, one was even reviewed plus they were obvious at the time.

Posted
46 minutes ago, Jimbob said:


the offsetting foul wasn’t related to Pavia being a pussy, it happened in the back of the end zone but I guess cameras didn’t catch it.  Their WR slung our DB to the ground out the back of the end zone and he got up and shoved him in the chest.  

Yeah, it was called on Muhammad after he was thrown into the wall and got up and shoved the candy receiver. It wasn't called on Filsame

Posted
10 minutes ago, MIkeHoncho said:

This is the one and only image showing the ball possibly getting to the goal line. For the ref to call it good is either him (1) anticipating it or (2) wanting the score to happen.   Both are just very poor officiating, with the 2nd being what leads to the gambling conspiracy theory. 

Well that and the video review that clearly demonstrates the call on the field was incorrect, yet not overturned.

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On Vanderbilt's first possesion, 2nd play from scrimmage, Collin Simmons tackled RB Miles Capers and then as they were getting up Simmons dragged his junk across Capers' face, setting the tone for the rest of the game. I have seen some high school players doing this recently. Is there a name for this move? 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Why are you saying the closest the ball was to the plane was "at the pylon" when the player stuck the ball out well before the pylon?

(1) no, he didn't, and (2) because I can watch the video and see the ball is always moving forward up until he falls out of bounds. 

 

 

Here is when he started to stretch:

 

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Ball still moving forward:

 

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Still moving forward and crossing in front of the pylon:

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You can see the same from the other angle, the ball keeps moving forward as he stretches right up until it crosses in front of the pylon. Here is the moment it starts to cross:

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And one moment later it has crossed and you can see it is ever so slightly closer, but still not past the pylon (which we know because it didn't touch it):

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Fair disagreement. Care to make the effort to show it to me?

Be careful, he may neg you for both continued discussion, which he's deemed irrelevant and questioning his authority to dictate what should and should not be discussed on this forum.

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Chopper said:

"but the laces"

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This picture shows that the goal line pylon is correctly positioned right in line with the leading edge of the goal line. 

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

 

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This first picture shows some white between the top of the pylon and the green of the field, indicating that this picture has some angle to it. 
 

the video from which the lower image set is taken is obviously from a more severe angle, but it does appear to show the ball getting closer to the plane as it gets closer to the pylon, which makes it tougher to believe that it was closer at an earlier point than it was as it passes in front of the pylon. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

This picture shows that the goal line pylon is correctly positioned right in line with the leading edge of the goal line. 

This first picture shows some white between the top of the pylon and the green of the field, indicating that this picture has some angle to it. 
 

the video from which the lower image set is taken is obviously from a more severe angle, but it does appear to show the ball getting closer to the plane as it gets closer to the pylon, which makes it tougher to believe that it was closer at an earlier point than it was as it passes in front of the pylon. 

You can see him pull back on the video. You can't see exactly where it happens. So I still don't get it. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

You can see him pull back on the video. You can't see exactly where it happens. So I still don't get it. 

Doesn't happen. Watch the overhead video. The ball is moving forward right up until the player lands out of bounds. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Doesn't happen. Watch the overhead video. The ball is moving forward right up until the player lands out of bounds. 

The larger point is that we're having this "dispute," wouldn't you say?

Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

The larger point is that we're having this "dispute," wouldn't you say?

Idiots can dispute anything. The ball is moving forward until after it crosses the pylon. It never touches the pylon. What it does after that is irrelevant.  To a reasonable and objective observer, the video evidence is conclusive that it did not cross the goal line. 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Be careful, he may neg you for both continued discussion, which he's deemed irrelevant and questioning his authority to dictate what should and should not be discussed on this forum.

You literally told me to go fuck myself, lol.

Just now, Dahobbs said:

Idiots can dispute anything. The ball is moving forward until after it crosses the pylon. It never touches the pylon. What it does after that is irrelevant. The video evidence is conclusive that it did not cross the goal line. 

The picture we see is all we need to see. You'd make a terrible lawyer.

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1 minute ago, mwaadeeb said:

You literally told me to go fuck myself, lol.

The picture we see is all we need to see. You'd make a terrible lawyer.

I am a lawyer. I gave you the picture and the video. It isn't possible for the ball to have crossed. That's just how the world works. I'd walk it through you in slow motion if you were on the stand. The sky view is conclusive that the ball is moving forward until after it crosses in the front of the pylon. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I am a lawyer. I gave you the picture and the video. It isn't possible for the ball to have crossed. That's just how the world works. I'd walk it through you in slow motion if you were on the stand. The sky view is conclusive that the ball is moving forward until after it crosses in the front of the pylon. 

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The issue isnt whether or not the ball crossed the plane. The laces crossed upon further review, or at least I can buy that from the camera shit
 
The real issue is that there was NO FUCKING WAY any ref could see that during the live play. Zero. Not without a microscope
 
 
If it was called “no good” on the field, it would have probably stayed “no good” on review. The fact that that was called good live action during the play is nuts

First thing I learned in referee school 30 years ago...If you didn't see it, you can't call it. No way he saw the ball break the plane even if he sensed it did (it didn't).
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26 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I am a lawyer. I gave you the picture and the video. It isn't possible for the ball to have crossed. That's just how the world works. I'd walk it through you in slow motion if you were on the stand. The sky view is conclusive that the ball is moving forward until after it crosses in the front of the pylon. 

I'd beat you 9/10 and I never practiced law.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

First time posting on Surly?

literally everything is a conspiracy here.  The entire world has it out for the Horns and they are all in on it together.  
 

The Illuminati wills it so. 

Shut the fuck up, bitch. 

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You can pretty much chalk up most bad calls to human error. Just how it is. But anybody arguing that that isn't an egregiously bad call, where they had very conclusive evidence that the ball never crossed the plane, is dumb. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Farmer Vincent said:

On Vanderbilt's first possesion, 2nd play from scrimmage, Collin Simmons tackled RB Miles Capers and then as they were getting up Simmons dragged his junk across Capers' face, setting the tone for the rest of the game. I have seen some high school players doing this recently. Is there a name for this move? 

Bite it a hard as you can and that will be the last time he does it

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The problem with the officiating is that the worst calls all resulted in points for Vandy or taken away from Texas. Obvious PI would have been at least a FG but likely a td. 2 pt conversion. Tackle our DE on Pavia’s run. This is at least 8 points and possibly 16 that Texas got fucked out of. This isn’t counting what might have happened without the “hit out of bounds” or the ridiculous false start. This level of ineptitude fucks with the integrity of the game.

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5 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

You can pretty much chalk up most bad calls to human error. Just how it is. But anybody arguing that that isn't an egregiously bad call, where they had very conclusive evidence that the ball never crossed the plane, is dumb. 

I, of course, disagree, but that isn't the point I've been trying (and failing) to make, which is: if you believe this was a conspiracy against Texas, you are dumb.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Farmer Vincent said:

On Vanderbilt's first possesion, 2nd play from scrimmage, Collin Simmons tackled RB Miles Capers and then as they were getting up Simmons dragged his junk across Capers' face, setting the tone for the rest of the game. I have seen some high school players doing this recently. Is there a name for this move? 

Your wife and I call it Imagine Dragons.  

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Posted
11 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

I, of course, disagree, but that isn't the point I've been trying (and failing) to make, which is: if you believe this was a conspiracy against Texas, you are dumb.

Except nobody has said that. The most "conspiracy" thing said has been related to the point spread. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, SuckitKevin said:

The problem with the officiating is that the worst calls all resulted in points for Vandy or taken away from Texas. Obvious PI would have been at least a FG but likely a td. 2 pt conversion. Tackle our DE on Pavia’s run. This is at least 8 points and possibly 16 that Texas got fucked out of. This isn’t counting what might have happened without the “hit out of bounds” or the ridiculous false start. This level of ineptitude fucks with the integrity of the game.

I've seen analytics that give the statistical correlation of penalties and points.  The most consequential fouls are holds (drive-killer), PI (drive-extender), and personal fouls (15 yards and a first down is a lot of real estate).  

The 15-yarder against Filsame (for literally nothing) was a big drive-extender for them.

The flagrant and uncalled PI in the end zone was highly likely to have cost us points that would have ended the game.

The 2-pointer was... 2 points, and the difference between needing FG to tie or TD to win.

The absurd "false start" when their lineman was well beyond the LOS would have meant 4th and 1 for us instead of 4th and 11.  It may or may not have cost us points, but had we converted that fourth down, we run out the clock with a 2-score lead.

I'm already seeing "Texas barely survived" stories, and when you're likely to be in a playoff logjam in 5 weeks, it's pretty shitty that we ended up with that narrative.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Soliver465 said:

Texas needs to piss and moan to the SEC as much as possible to reduce the chances of an all time fuck job during the Georgia game.

This. The time to start working the refs begins now. 

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On Vanderbilt's first possesion, 2nd play from scrimmage, Collin Simmons tackled RB Miles Capers and then as they were getting up Simmons dragged his junk across Capers' face, setting the tone for the rest of the game. I have seen some high school players doing this recently. Is there a name for this move? 

Simmons has been doing that a lot lately.

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