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RW is from Lawndale. Most of the gangs down there are Hispanic. Not the same as the violence in South Central. I think he is paying homage to a guy who he had a lot of respect for. It's just that if y

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The last guy to consistently shutdown KD was Westbrook in 2016. 

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1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yet everything he said is spot on. Because execs in sports are never wrong. Well at least not as wrong as you are constantly.

10 hours ago, Jhawk said:

At this point, for all his talent, KD is one of the biggest bitches to ever play the game. Can’t believe how much of a  baby brat he is. 

Yes. Clearly NBA FO material.

 

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11 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I like stats that can directly confirm or refute what you see with your own eyes. All the WORP, RPM, OBPM, win shares, adjusted wins--crap that I can't even begin to tell you how they calculate--does nothing for me. But the player tracking stuff is really cool. You can actually see the quality of looks that a team gets with one of their players on/off the floor based on the nearest defender and location of those shots. How opposing players shoot with so-and-so as their nearest defender. Hustle stats like shot contests and deflections that don't show up in a normal box score. You can watch a Wizards game, note that Wall doesn't seem like he runs a lot, and quickly learn that only Dirk Nowitzki spends more time walking or standing still on a basketball court. Etc.

Like with anything, you're subject to your own confirmation bias, but player tracking seems to have less room for interpretation.

   Sorry if that seems like it was directed at you. It wasn't. I agree with the fact that some stats are an eye opener to what's going on out there. My point was that is you are trying to run an offense with Steph and two Robersons the statistics change drastically. Suddenly Steph's shoting percentage goes down because teams will gladly leave Andre wide open to come get the ball out of Steph's hands. Andre's shooting percentage would not go up, as demonstrated by when he ws getting wide open looks playing next to KD and Russ. Point is, Klay is actually the perfect person to play next to Steph because he can shoot the lights out, bt if you close out to hard he will go right by you and finish. He also has a solid mid range game to boot.

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Hang on a sec... I love how it's his fucking attorney that is making the calls for his rehab.

I mean.... what the fuck is even going on behind the scenes with this kid. 

The question I'm asking is, "How the fuck has he not already seen a dozen shoulder specialists in the past 15 months??"

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Holy shit people still bring up that tired argument? Duke has what, 3 players ready for the NBA right now? Cleveland has a whole roster full. I don't think many realize just how good even the very end of the bench NBA players are compared to amateur players. Cleveland would crush them by any score they wanted. It wouldn't even be a game. Cleveland's bench would school Duke. But I get it is all for shock value. Same as could Bama beat the worst NFL team. Same concept. Bama has just a handful of guys right now that would play in the NFL this year. Buffalo has 53. Silly shit. The sad thing is, reading some comments around these arguments, there are people who legitimately believe this. I wish the leagues would do it one day. I know the Allstars of college played the NFL back in the 60s or 70s. 

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9 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Holy shit people still bring up that tired argument? Duke has what, 3 players ready for the NBA right now? Cleveland has a whole roster full. I don't think many realize just how good even the very end of the bench NBA players are compared to amateur players. Cleveland would crush them by any score they wanted. It wouldn't even be a game. Cleveland's bench would school Duke. But I get it is all for shock value. Same as could Bama beat the worst NFL team. Same concept. Bama has just a handful of guys right now that would play in the NFL this year. Buffalo has 53. Silly shit. The sad thing is, reading some comments around these arguments, there are people who legitimately believe this. I wish the leagues would do it one day. I know the Allstars of college played the NFL back in the 60s or 70s. 

The annoying part is that it's Jay Williams making the argument. He knows better. He was a GREAT college basketball player on a GREAT college basketball team. Two player of the year awards, hitting threes from 7 feet behind the line before it was cool, basically destroying the competition. His only year in the NBA he averaged 9 points on sub 40% shooting (32% from 3). It takes time. Rookies who come in as polished and ready as Tatum and AD are extremely rare.

Shit, how much do you think Kyle Korver would LOVE to play against any basic college defense (obviously can't play zone) after 15 years of honing his craft at the highest level?

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4 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Holy shit people still bring up that tired argument? Duke has what, 3 players ready for the NBA right now? Cleveland has a whole roster full. I don't think many realize just how good even the very end of the bench NBA players are compared to amateur players. Cleveland would crush them by any score they wanted. It wouldn't even be a game. Cleveland's bench would school Duke. But I get it is all for shock value. Same as could Bama beat the worst NFL team. Same concept. Bama has just a handful of guys right now that would play in the NFL this year. Buffalo has 53. Silly shit. The sad thing is, reading some comments around these arguments, there are people who legitimately believe this. I wish the leagues would do it one day. I know the Allstars of college played the NFL back in the 60s or 70s. 

 

bread and circus.  its good argument fodder at the ice house.

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On 11/20/2018 at 5:15 PM, Machinator said:

 

This is some clickbait bullshit right here. His AGENT is Raymond Brothers, who also happens to be an attorney. I mean, every agent is or has lawyers at their disposal, so framing as if this is strictly legal advice is just embellishing the situation to make it seem worse than it is. 

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42 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

This is some clickbait bullshit right here. His AGENT is Raymond Brothers, who also happens to be an attorney. I mean, every agent is or has lawyers at their disposal, so framing as if this is strictly legal advice is just embellishing the situation to make it seem worse than it is. 

Or maybe it is as bad as it seems

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Celtics dying slowly. How long will the "they will mesh soon, just wait" excuse last?

Brandon Ingram - first time I've paid attention to his game. He's horrible. Listless, talentless garbage. He has no game at all, no moves, can't do anything well. Why is he on the floor Luke!?

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12 minutes ago, NowThis said:

Celtics dying slowly. How long will the "they will mesh soon, just wait" excuse last?

Brandon Ingram - first time I've paid attention to his game. He's horrible. Listless, talentless garbage. He has no game at all, no moves, can't do anything well. Why is he on the floor Luke!?

I asked last year how valuable Hayward really was. Boston didn't miss him at all. Utah didn't miss a beat without him. People acted like Boston was going to be so much better once he got back but I never saw it or thought he was some big game changer. They play better as a unit without Kyrie and Hayward. 

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1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

I asked last year how valuable Hayward really was. Boston didn't miss him at all. Utah didn't miss a beat without him. People acted like Boston was going to be so much better once he got back but I never saw it or thought he was some big game changer. They play better as a unit without Kyrie and Hayward. 

Zaga would destroy em

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8 hours ago, NowThis said:

Celtics dying slowly. How long will the "they will mesh soon, just wait" excuse last?

Ok, yeah, they still don't need to panic, but ANY time you lose to the Knicks at home it's cause for concern.

And for the best defense in the league, the next scoring guard they hold in check may be the first. Dudes have been having some career nights.

8 hours ago, NowThis said:

Brandon Ingram - first time I've paid attention to his game. He's horrible. Listless, talentless garbage. He has no game at all, no moves, can't do anything well. Why is he on the floor Luke!?

Whom from their stellar bench should take his minutes? Beasley?

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9 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

I asked last year how valuable Hayward really was. Boston didn't miss him at all. Utah didn't miss a beat without him. People acted like Boston was going to be so much better once he got back but I never saw it or thought he was some big game changer. They play better as a unit without Kyrie and Hayward. 

Jesus, dude. Hayward is a really good basketball player. But he had an awful injury and a setback over the summer, and only started playing with contact again in like September. He clearly looks rusty and doesn't trust his body yet. I thought Boston would start out slow (most did)--not this slow, obviously--as they tried to integrate Hayward. He'll either play himself back into shape and gain confidence eventually, or he still won't be 100%, and they'll reduce his minutes/role. But they don't need to make that decision right now. He's not to type to cause friction; he'd understand if his body still isn't right.

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Ok, yeah, they still don't need to panic, but ANY time you lose to the Knicks at home it's cause for concern.

And for the best defense in the league, the next scoring guard they hold in check may be the first. Dudes have been having some career nights.

Whom from their stellar bench should take his minutes? Beasley?

Boston has lost 7 of the last 10 and some games were blowouts. Stevens was quoted as saying the team has several issues. It's a diseased team at this point. Of course improvement is possible but i have doubts. 

For the Lakers, I'd go smal. Too bad Rondo is out otherwise he should be featured with big minutes with Ball, Kuzma, Lebron and Javale.  That's their best 5.  BTW, Javale is a goof, but he's quite athletic and finishes at the rim among the best I've ever seen. His line is frequently 6-8, 10 of 12 etc. Lots of other bigs in the league cannot close the deal at the rim. Even Lebron can't do it like Javale; liked his game from the Denver days. He's also an incredible shot blocker, very clutch in that area, not just meaningless blocks but blocks during crunch time (wish there was a stat for that). 

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Watched OKC for the first time last night.  The supporting cast looks much better than last year.  Schroder is a good addition and the other pieces look better.  Westbrook and George (to a lesser degree) still have horrible shot selection, though.  Defense will be even better once Roberson comes back but he's so abysmal on offense that it's almost a net wash.  Granted, GS had a lot of injuries but OKC looked a lot better.

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13 minutes ago, Llogg said:

GSW bench is not what it has been. They should be praying that Cousins is effective in the second half of the season.

exactly. Even Iggy and Livingston are not what they were in years past. The new guys are trash and they really miss Javale down low and shot blocking. We'll see in March. 

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Nobody talking about the Spurs getting hosed last night by the refs. That was straight bush league. Fuck Marc Gasol. Hope we can get a 20-30 game losing streak going imo...

 

Thunder look better, but i don't trust WB not to ballhog it up and ruin them in the playoffs. Also the Warriors just look so lethargic right now. Who knows if this whole KD being a bitch thing is finally fucking with them but i just don't trust it, i think they'll still get rolling for the playoffs.

 

Lakers man.....learning how to win close ones, i like them right now. Always a fun watch.

 

And lol at Boston, probably coulda traded for Kawhi and didn't. Kyrie seems like a team cancer. Bill Simmons dumb ass predicted this team would win 67 games and go Warriors on it, resting everyone for a lot of 4th quarters. Fuck that city, i hope the Pats/Sox/Celtics all go another 100 years without winning shit.

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