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Just now, David Dennison said:

He's a young boomer/old Gen Xer, depending on whose definition of those respective generations you use.

I'm claiming Barry for Gen X.

Fight me.

He graduated high school in the 70s. He is entirely culturally outside Gen X whose wheelhouse coming of age era was the 80s. 

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Just now, FondrenRoad said:

21 wasnt a big deal back then. Drinking age was 18 in Hawaii and 19 in Illinois. 

Barack Obama is a borderline case for sure. I'm squarely in Gen X and I think he has a lot more in common with me from a cultural standpoint than he does with Bill Clinton.

Calling anyone a boomer is an insult.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Barack Obama is a borderline case for sure. I'm squarely in Gen X and I think he has a lot more in common with me from a cultural standpoint than he does with Bill Clinton.

Calling anyone a boomer is an insult.

Thats cuz Bill Clinton was born in the first Boomer year. Same year as W and Trump.  He is far more borderline Silent generation than Obama is Gen X. 

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1 minute ago, FondrenRoad said:

Thats cuz Bill Clinton was born in the first Boomer year. Same year as W and Trump.  He is far more borderline Silent generation than Obama is Gen X. 

Bill Clinton is the epitome of the baby boomer generation.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Bill Clinton is the epitome of the baby boomer generation.

While he may have had some experiences later in life than most, he isn't. He was the old man hanging out past his prime. Really, he is the exact same age as W and Trump. Do you think W and Trump were doing it up summer of love style?

Obama experienced neither the earlier or later Gen X cultural experiences. Its fine. Create a new boomer-gen x cohort like xennials between Gen X-millenials and throw Obama into it. But when he is jamming to post Beatles and disco in his formative years, I dont see how that isnt firmly Boomer. 

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3 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

While he may have had some experiences later in life than most, he isn't. He was the old man hanging out past his prime. Really, he is the exact same age as W and Trump. Do you think W and Trump were doing it up summer of love style?

Obama experienced neither the earlier or later Gen X cultural experiences. Its fine. Create a new boomer-gen x cohort like xennials between Gen X-millenials and throw Obama into it. But when he is jamming to post Beatles and disco in his formative years, I dont see how that isnt firmly Boomer. 

Boomers are way more than the summer of love. All three of those men, Bush, Clinton, and Trump couldn't be more boomer if they tried: selfish, privileged, entitled . . . you name it, they embody the archetype.

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Dems got almost 50% of the congressional votes in North Carolina. Obama won it in ‘08 and nearly did again in ‘12. That’s gettable with a candidate that excites the base.

Georgia is now a toss up and shenanigans there this year only get folks fired up.

It’s quite silly to think Wisconsin is a safe GOP state.

The Dem path is much easier than many think. And that’s why they should aim to first turn out the progressives and minorities and only then throw a bone to centrists like me. Kamala/Beto. 

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1 hour ago, softlynow said:

Dems got almost 50% of the congressional votes in North Carolina. Obama won it in ‘08 and nearly did again in ‘12. That’s gettable with a candidate that excites the base.

Georgia is now a toss up and shenanigans there this year only get folks fired up.

It’s quite silly to think Wisconsin is a safe GOP state.

The Dem path is much easier than many think. And that’s why they should aim to first turn out the progressives and minorities and only then throw a bone to centrists like me. Kamala/Beto. 

Is there a path to 270 without the rust belt? To me the electoral math shows that as the rust belt goes, the presidency will go, regardless of AZ or NC, at least as far as I can tell. If you approach the election with "getting Trump out" as your #1 priority over all else, as it should be, then shouldn't the #1 criteria for a candidate be "who can win the rust belt"?

IMO that's the most important criteria - which candidate can win MI/PA/WI. To me that's Biden, despite his flaws. I believe he wins those states fairly easily, and thus wins the election. It's definitely not a coastal democrat like Harris. That's the exact type of candidate that will lose that area of the country. JMHO. Is it fair - probably not. But it's realpolitik and that's all that matters right now. I think Beto could do it too - I actually think he could dominate the electoral map if he cleans up his non-stump public speaking (IE debates) just a bit.

Genuinely asking though. Is there a path to 270 without the rust belt, for either side? And I don't mean "well they could win NC" type paths - because it seems that if the candidate wins NC, they'll already have the presidency in the bag in a rout.

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1 hour ago, BradInATX said:

Is there a path to 270 without the rust belt? To me the electoral math shows that as the rust belt goes, the presidency will go, regardless of AZ or NC, at least as far as I can tell. If you approach the election with "getting Trump out" as your #1 priority over all else, as it should be, then shouldn't the #1 criteria for a candidate be "who can win the rust belt"?

IMO that's the most important criteria - which candidate can win MI/PA/WI. To me that's Biden, despite his flaws. I believe he wins those states fairly easily, and thus wins the election. It's definitely not a coastal democrat like Harris. That's the exact type of candidate that will lose that area of the country. JMHO. Is it fair - probably not. But it's realpolitik and that's all that matters right now. I think Beto could do it too - I actually think he could dominate the electoral map if he cleans up his non-stump public speaking (IE debates) just a bit.

Genuinely asking though. Is there a path to 270 without the rust belt, for either side? And I don't mean "well they could win NC" type paths - because it seems that if the candidate wins NC, they'll already have the presidency in the bag in a rout.

It’s pretty simple. You do what Hillary didn’t: have an economic message that wins back Obama voters who defected in ‘16.

A centrist neoliberal message won’t cut it this time. You need to offer what Pubs will not, a fucking hand up. As I said above you also need to get activists wet for the candidate. The best path there is with a candidate like KH who pairs hints of a lefty populism (critical of TPP for lacking worker protections) with the obvious ceiling-breaking GOTV-worker appeal.

Clinton didn’t lose because of racism or sexism. She lost because of many other factors, and one of them was she forgot to fondle the giblets of all of her base. You want to convince bubba in the Midwest that the wall won’t fix their Chevy or keep the lights on? Then offer some real redistribution from the billionaires raping middle America by shutting down mom and pop shops and outsourcing/automating their jobs away. You want to re-convince them that free trade makes more people better off? Give them a reason for the buy-in.

Simply putting up the old white guy won’t fully realize Dem potential in ‘20. He may draw a few white former union workers back, but the base will be deflated. He may win, but it will be closer than necessary with him. 

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Trump barely won PA, MI, and WI and that was against the worst candidate in modern history.  Assuming the Dems offer up a serviceable candidate, he's not winning them again.

Meanwhile, other states are starting to be in play.  From now on, the entire election won't hang on Ohio (the Florida of the Midwest).

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18 hours ago, David Dennison said:

He's a young boomer/old Gen Xer, depending on whose definition of those respective generations you use.

I'm claiming Barry for Gen X.

Fight me.

Happily. Obama is no Gen X'er by any stretch.

 

Gen X is the only legitimate group of adults that exists right now, so y'all better pray for us to be in charge.

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Top 3 from me and a few friends from last night

Kamala, Beto, uncle joe

Booker, Kamala, Warren 

klobuchar, duckworth, uncle joe

 

I’m getting warmer on duckworth. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, ryskey said:

The debate between progressive Bernie-esque Dems and Centrist establishment Dems resulted in a pretty resounding victory for the Centrists.

Best case scenario is a candidate that bridges the gap between the Bernie Bros and Hillary centrists.   It can be done. 

I honestly think specific policy platforms and ideologies aren’t going to factor into the 2020 race. 

This one is going to be about the candidate that best generates the feels with their messaging and appeals to the widest audience.  

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17 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Best case scenario is a candidate that bridges the gap between the Bernie Bros and Hillary centrists.   It can be done. 

I honestly think specific policy platforms and ideologies aren’t going to factor into the 2020 race. 

This one is going to be about the candidate that best generates the feels with their messaging and appeals to the widest audience.  

Which to me favors Beto, but I don't know if he has the chops to win a retard debate against dotus.

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Bernie bros ain't sitting this one out and sure as shit aren't going to vote for Trump over whoever the nominee is.  If the Dems want to win just nominate someone who isn't a total hardcore lefty and you'll pull votes from everywhere.  It really is that simple.  If they want to make it close or give another 4 fucking years to Don, then nominate Warren.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Which to me favors Beto, but I don't know if he has the chops to win a retard debate against dotus.

Any Dem will win the debates. Hillary won them handily. The debates don't even matter. Beto's GOTV game is what the Dems need. 

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43 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Any Dem will win the debates. Hillary won them handily. The debates don't even matter. Beto's GOTV game is what the Dems need. 

A normal debate where facts and truth matter, sure.  But in a retard debate you have to be able to insult and name call, which Beto doesn't do.  

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4 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

He’d say Pocahontas.  63,000,000 would squeal “got heeeeem!” (Her) and we’d go to bed.  That ain’t worth middle dollar. 

Yep.  What I really want, no matter who it ends up being (and assuming this fucker isn't already removed from office and/or dead), is for them to ignore him.  Stand there at the podium and answer questions from the audience and moderator, but don't respond to anything he says.  Literally act like he is invisible.  

Posted
11 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

A normal debate where facts and truth matter, sure.  But in a retard debate you have to be able to insult and name call, which Beto doesn't do.  

No, you're the puppet, Betohontas.

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5 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

He’d say Pocahontas.  63,000,000 would squeal “got heeeeem!” (Her) and we’d go to bed.  That ain’t worth middle dollar. 

I think you’re underestimating how uncomfortable Warren would make Trump.

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Fantasy 2021 Executive Branch 
Potus:  Beto O’Rourke 
Veep: Andrew Gillum
Attorney General: Stacy Abrams
Secretary of State: Joe Biden
Secretary of Defense: Robert Mueller


I can only get so erect.
Posted
5 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The Dems are going to nominate Joe. 20 women are going to come out and talk about how creepy he is. Trump will win re-election.

LOL

GOP would have found these women in 2008.

and even if they didn’t find them in 2008, if any existed, we would hear about it over the next year, just to make sure he never gets close to a primary. 

Won’t matter.  He and his family and friends are going to have a rough 2019 from the very-public hearings and investigations.   He ain’t winning P.A/WI/MI/AZ, and there’s no where else to make up those electoral votes.  

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5 hours ago, ryskey said:

https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/progressive-populism-will-save-democratic-party#vote

Excellent debate on which path Dems should go if the goal is to win in 2020.

The debate between progressive Bernie-esque Dems and Centrist establishment Dems resulted in a pretty resounding victory for the Centrists.

Yes yes this is relevant to the American electorate. Mhmmm

*turns the channel to watch a sitting US President call a Congressman "Schitt"*

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Beto needs a political insider as a vp, preferably a senator. And it would not hurt if it is someone from the Midwest. Sherrod Brown?

 

Better yet, Klobuchar.

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Posted
1 hour ago, RayDog said:

Beto needs a political insider as a vp, preferably a senator. And it would not hurt if it is someone from the Midwest. Sherrod Brown?

 

Better yet, Klobuchar.

I don’t get this calculation in today’s political climate.  IMO you need a non-polarizing energizer and campaigner as VP that will get voters motivated. 

 

What does a political insider get you on the ticket that you couldn’t get by appointment in the cabinet? 

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t get this calculation in today’s political climate.  IMO you need a non-polarizing energizer and campaigner as VP that will get voters motivated. 

 

What does a political insider get you on the ticket that you couldn’t get by appointment in the cabinet? 

Beto does not need much help with the ticket, but someone who would cement the Pa, Wi, and Mi vote could help.

I am thinking more toward getting legislation passed and putting a senator in charge of the Senate is usually a good idea.

 

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The more I think about 2020 I think the Dems should make marijuana legalization and it's taxation a key issue in 2020.  Legalize pot and use the revenues for healthcare. Now I know that legalizing pot is a lean to the left, but I also know a shit ton of conservative folks that simply do not understand why it is illegal, with a bar on every corner of every city.  

I don't know what candidate will emerge from the Democratic side.  I do expect, what has now become a tradition of a crappy economic handoff by a GOP President after massive tax cuts for the weathy, to again be the situation near election time.  The super secret GOP healthcare plan will still be just as secret as it's been the last 20 years, and the swing of young voters, educated voters, and especially educated women to make the blue wave of 2018 in a VERY unfavorable landscape seem like a ripple.

The really bad news for the GOP is that the time of constantly promoting lies as your PRIMARY issue will be coming to an end.  there won't be the lie of "death panels" for example in 20202.  There WILL be a big lie from the GOP, but with so many lies from Trump that lie will be seen as just another. The worst thing is that this blue wave in 2020 is most likely to have the Dems make more gains in the state houses, and that means the mind boggling partisan redistricting that managed to keep the GOP winning seats when losing the popular votes will likely swing the other direction. In essence the actual will of the people will be much better reflected.

I'm trying to figure out what the GOP is going to run on?  We got rid of Trump at the last minute? Have Trump declare martial law and keep the "GOP" in power forever? This massive mess is not out fault?  We aren't really as racist as we seem? Your healthcare is expensive and we made it even moreso? Well... millionaires did pretty damn well... Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?  The vast majority of first time and young voters in 2018 skewed heavily to the Dems in an off year election. I think if the Dems make the wholesale move toward legalizing pot as one of their main planks I think the wipeout could be of epic proportions as an army of voters "get up off the couch." 😉  

Posted
17 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

He’d say Pocahontas.  63,000,000 would squeal “got heeeeem!” (Her) and we’d go to bed.  That ain’t worth middle dollar. 

I’d love to see that go down, then Warren run across the stage and slap the living shit out of him.  He’d be curled up in the fetal position blubbering like the baby he is.



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