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Do we have an update on how many refineries Russia has vs. how many have been attacked?  

It seems like this is something a wonk would have done.  I just don't know where to look.

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7 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Do we have an update on how many refineries Russia has vs. how many have been attacked?  

It seems like this is something a wonk would have done.  I just don't know where to look.

Four are currently damaged. The reporting was that was was currently out of commission was ~17% of Russia's refining capacity. They had also hit export pipelines like the Druzhba pipeline. 

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On 8/27/2025 at 9:43 PM, Schulz2.0 said:
On 8/28/2025 at 6:42 AM, Schulz2.0 said:

The Ukrainians continue hitting Russian refineries.

7 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

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It is really comforting to see Ukraine transition from targeting oil storage tanks and depots to targeting the processing parts of the refineries, the large tall towers, the crackers and distillation columns. 

The tanks make huge fireballs and burn for days, but they are just large gas cans. You know, "chicks dig the long ball."

The columns "crack" the oil, breaking down the long chain hydrocarbons into simpler fluids that are separated and further processed within the refinery.

There may be 50-100 separate processing units within a world class refinery, but only a hand full of them include the towers. Destroying a pressure vessel (large propane tank) 100+ feet tall, 10+ feet in diameter, with numerous pipes going in and out, and all the associated controls and instrumentation is a much, much bigger issue. 

Ukraine w/ US "support" 2022-2023:

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Ukraine fighting a war 2024-2025:

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7 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Do we have an update on how many refineries Russia has vs. how many have been attacked?  

It seems like this is something a wonk would have done.  I just don't know where to look.

I am not a Bot. I am also not a wonk. Maybe?

This is a screenshot from a file I started when Ukraine was invaded. It is from a combination of publicly available information from multiple sources, the accuracy of which is suspect, but directionally, it is pretty accurate. 

Ukraine has targeted every significant Russian refinery (21) except the 3 highlighted. Those 3 are way far east, 1200+ miles from Ukraine.

What exactly was hit and damaged is not known. Some of these refineries (similar to Deer Park and Lake Charles) have a footprint of 1-3 square miles, 1,000+ acres. Hitting half a dozen oil storage tanks in the tank farm is much different than taking out 1 of the main process units, a mile away. 

A lot of the reporting in the media, is like a lot of reporting in the media. Good for public consumption, but a lot of BS.

Refineries make both gasoline and diesel, AFTER the oil has been refined and separated into individual components. How much of each and the various grades is determined by further downstream processing and blending units.
 

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Ukraine is 100% doing what they need to do, fighting to continue to exist.

But the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone which is connected to the knee bone...

Decreasing refined products from Russia, means that Russia and all their customers will need to find alternative supplies, which are limited. Supply & Demand always works. Crude demand, and prices, will go down, and gasoline and diesel demand, and prices, will go up.

Make no mistake, this is a concern that both Biden & Trump shared.

It is not "price gouging" by US refiners. It is a free market at work. 

Both Valero (in progress) and Phillips are shutting down refineries in California this year. California is scrambling looking for outside supplies. Maybe build a new refinery? What? No pipelines from Texas? 

You reap what you sow. 

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I am not a Bot. I am also not a wonk. Maybe?
This is a screenshot from a file I started when Ukraine was invaded. It is from a combination of publicly available information from multiple sources, the accuracy of which is suspect, but directionally, it is pretty accurate. 
Ukraine has targeted every significant Russian refinery (21) except the 3 highlighted. Those 3 are way far east, 1200+ miles from Ukraine.

What exactly was hit and damaged is not known. Some of these refineries (similar to Deer Park and Lake Charles) have a footprint of 1-3 square miles, 1,000+ acres. Hitting half a dozen oil storage tanks in the tank farm is much different than taking out 1 of the main process units, a mile away. 

A lot of the reporting in the media, is like a lot of reporting in the media. Good for public consumption, but a lot of BS.

Refineries make both gasoline and diesel, AFTER the oil has been refined and separated into individual components. How much of each and the various grades is determined by further downstream processing and blending units.
 
image.png.f8f4de794bc69362050d6378c77c485f.png
Ukraine is 100% doing what they need to do, fighting to continue to exist.
But the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone which is connected to the knee bone...

Decreasing refined products from Russia, means that Russia and all their customers will need to find alternative supplies, which are limited. Supply & Demand always works. Crude demand, and prices, will go down, and gasoline and diesel demand, and prices, will go up.
Make no mistake, this is a concern that both Biden & Trump shared.
It is not "price gouging" by US refiners. It is a free market at work. 
Both Valero (in progress) and Phillips are shutting down refineries in California this year. California is scrambling looking for outside supplies. Maybe build a new refinery? What? No pipelines from Texas? 
You reap what you sow. 

A little wonky. But precisely what I was looking for and why I asked here. Most appreciated.
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A couple hours ago this came in.

Edit: the refinery was hit one day ago about the same time, and the local officials announced that a fire started - but they put it out quickly. Sure.  

But there was another strike tonight and it sure as hell does not look like the fire has been put out.

 

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