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These various surveys suggest that the Epstein issue could be more of a problem than everyone pooh-poohing the idea that they will ever turn on him on any issue.

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PRRI (Public Religion Research Institute) Reports:

2024: 28% of Republicans qualify as QAnon believers. Republicans who hold favorable views of Donald Trump are five times more likely to be QAnon believers compared to those with unfavorable views (32% vs. 7%).

2022: 25% of Republicans agreed with the central tenets of QAnon, compared to 14% of independents and 9% of Democrats.

2021: 23% of Republicans agree with a set of conspiratorial beliefs linked to the QAnon movement.

Other Polls:

2020 (Daily Kos/Civiqs): One in three Republicans (33%) believed the QAnon theory about deep-state elites is "mostly true," and another 23% believed "some parts" are true.

2021 (Citizen Data): 60% of Republicans believed the QAnon theory about a global network of pedophiles. 

Important Considerations:

Defining "Belief": Some polls focus on agreement with the core tenets of QAnon, while others ask if individuals identify as QAnon supporters or have favorable views of the movement.

MAGA Republicans vs. Republicans: A November 7, 2022 article in The Conversation says: Researchers have distinguished between "MAGA Republicans" (the hardcore supporters of Trump) and other Republicans, finding that MAGA Republicans are significantly more likely to strongly agree with QAnon beliefs compared to other Republican groups.

Much like evangelicals and Catholics with the single issue abortion situation, 20 to 30% of GOP voters buying into QAnon is certainly significant.    While MAGA voters tend to be super flexible and hypocritical on ignoring Trump’s stances on issues when he changes his mind, willing to go with him on whatever his new belief is, my gut is that this won’t be the case with pedophile conspiracy QAnon believers.

Many of these people viewed Trump is the only person who could end the Hillary Obama international pedophile Cabal.    If you look at the J6 TTom posts, he was all about that issue.  I do not think that the TTom’s of the world will simply wave away the news that Trump’s name is all over the files and that he had the FBI redact it, and has let Epstein’s trafficker in chief get out of a maximum security prison and over to clubfed in Texas. I think it will make a lot of Trump people rage-y.

Trump talking about Epstein stealing his employees (to be used in trafficking by Epstein ) upsetting Trump - because Epstein took those young girls from Trump - was an odd unforced error. Talking about “never having the privilege” to go to pedophile Island was also an interesting verbiage choice.  

Handing out the notebooks of Epstein stuff, Bondi saying  the Epstein list was on her desk, only to say it never existed, and Trump telling them all to quit talking about it because they’re all stupid losers is not going to shut them up.  My key point here is that the very people who believe this the most are also the most willing to believe the most preposterous, conspiracy theories - and so will be for more likely to believe that Trump is involved somehow than other people.   They are hardwired to believe in the giant government coverup, and now Trump is the government.

I believe there is some data that a lot of these people are not repeat voters, and it was only Trump that got them back in the electoral process. One of the reasons they returned is to support the man who would get rid of the international pedophile Cabal.   If he won’t do it, or if he is part of the problem, then they may return to not voting.  Or may get pissed now that they vote and vote against Trump.

My ex brother-in-law (ex-Army Captain) is a huge QAnon guy, and was convinced that as soon as Trump took office this time that Hillary and Company would be perp walked in handcuffs, taken to GITMO and then executed.   

TL;DR. there appears to be enough MAGA supporters who treat the mission to convict and hang pedophiles is as important to them as abortion is to some people.  I have a slight hope that enough of them will not vote in future that we might flip some seats if we’re allowed to have an election.

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53 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

These various surveys suggest that the Epstein issue could be more of a problem than everyone pooh-poohing the idea that they will ever turn on him on any issue.

Much like evangelicals and Catholics with the single issue abortion situation, 20 to 30% of GOP voters buying into QAnon is certainly significant.    While MAGA voters tend to be super flexible and hypocritical on ignoring Trump’s stances on issues when he changes his mind, willing to go with him on whatever his new belief is, my gut is that this won’t be the case with pedophile conspiracy QAnon believers.

Many of these people viewed Trump is the only person who could end the Hillary Obama international pedophile Cabal.    If you look at the J6 TTom posts, he was all about that issue.  I do not think that the TTom’s of the world will simply wave away the news that Trump’s name is all over the files and that he had the FBI redact it, and has let Epstein’s trafficker in chief get out of a maximum security prison and over to clubfed in Texas. I think it will make a lot of Trump people rage-y.

Trump talking about Epstein stealing his employees (to be used in trafficking by Epstein ) upsetting Trump - because Epstein took those young girls from Trump - was an odd unforced error. Talking about “never having the privilege” to go to pedophile Island was also an interesting verbiage choice.  

Handing out the notebooks of Epstein stuff, Bondi saying  the Epstein list was on her desk, only to say it never existed, and Trump telling them all to quit talking about it because they’re all stupid losers is not going to shut them up.  My key point here is that the very people who believe this the most are also the most willing to believe the most preposterous, conspiracy theories - and so will be for more likely to believe that Trump is involved somehow than other people.   They are hardwired to believe in the giant government coverup, and now Trump is the government.

I believe there is some data that a lot of these people are not repeat voters, and it was only Trump that got them back in the electoral process. One of the reasons they returned is to support the man who would get rid of the international pedophile Cabal.   If he won’t do it, or if he is part of the problem, then they may return to not voting.  Or may get pissed now that they vote and vote against Trump.

My ex brother-in-law (ex-Army Captain) is a huge QAnon guy, and was convinced that as soon as Trump took office this time that Hillary and Company would be perp walked in handcuffs, taken to GITMO and then executed.   

TL;DR. there appears to be enough MAGA supporters who treat the mission to convict and hang pedophiles is as important to them as abortion is to some people.  I have a slight hope that enough of them will not vote in future that we might flip some seats if we’re allowed to have an election.

Needed better timing.  Yes if this was an election year for dotard it would sink him.  But he has time on his side.  Just need a few hundred thousand voters to stay home, not change to a Dem vote.  This would get that done if it were an election year, but alas...

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

These various surveys suggest that the Epstein issue could be more of a problem than everyone pooh-poohing the idea that they will ever turn on him on any issue.

Much like evangelicals and Catholics with the single issue abortion situation, 20 to 30% of GOP voters buying into QAnon is certainly significant.    While MAGA voters tend to be super flexible and hypocritical on ignoring Trump’s stances on issues when he changes his mind, willing to go with him on whatever his new belief is, my gut is that this won’t be the case with pedophile conspiracy QAnon believers.

Many of these people viewed Trump is the only person who could end the Hillary Obama international pedophile Cabal.    If you look at the J6 TTom posts, he was all about that issue.  I do not think that the TTom’s of the world will simply wave away the news that Trump’s name is all over the files and that he had the FBI redact it, and has let Epstein’s trafficker in chief get out of a maximum security prison and over to clubfed in Texas. I think it will make a lot of Trump people rage-y.

Trump talking about Epstein stealing his employees (to be used in trafficking by Epstein ) upsetting Trump - because Epstein took those young girls from Trump - was an odd unforced error. Talking about “never having the privilege” to go to pedophile Island was also an interesting verbiage choice.  

Handing out the notebooks of Epstein stuff, Bondi saying  the Epstein list was on her desk, only to say it never existed, and Trump telling them all to quit talking about it because they’re all stupid losers is not going to shut them up.  My key point here is that the very people who believe this the most are also the most willing to believe the most preposterous, conspiracy theories - and so will be for more likely to believe that Trump is involved somehow than other people.   They are hardwired to believe in the giant government coverup, and now Trump is the government.

I believe there is some data that a lot of these people are not repeat voters, and it was only Trump that got them back in the electoral process. One of the reasons they returned is to support the man who would get rid of the international pedophile Cabal.   If he won’t do it, or if he is part of the problem, then they may return to not voting.  Or may get pissed now that they vote and vote against Trump.

My ex brother-in-law (ex-Army Captain) is a huge QAnon guy, and was convinced that as soon as Trump took office this time that Hillary and Company would be perp walked in handcuffs, taken to GITMO and then executed.   

TL;DR. there appears to be enough MAGA supporters who treat the mission to convict and hang pedophiles is as important to them as abortion is to some people.  I have a slight hope that enough of them will not vote in future that we might flip some seats if we’re allowed to have an election.

What's astonishing is that Trump's connections to Epstein have been well-known for 20 some odd years.

I suppose the Qturds were unaware of this.  OR, they thought Trump would expose it all, including some innocent explanation for his Epstein connections.

Either way, they're seeming to have a tough time with this one.

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21 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m not convinced this would move the needle for Trump voters regardless

Aye, there’s the rub…

…and I’m not referring to Donnie asking the 13-year-old girl to wear a glove while he got a hand job.

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1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m not convinced this would move the needle for Trump voters regardless

They'd need principles first. Voting for Trump in 2024 required that you have none. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

What's astonishing is that Trump's connections to Epstein have been well-known for 20 some odd years.

I suppose the Qturds were unaware of this.  OR, they thought Trump would expose it all, including some innocent explanation for his Epstein connections.

Either way, they're seeming to have a tough time with this one.

The qanon crowd exists BECAUSE they lack the curiosity to look critically. Of course they were unaware of empirical facts that were easy to look up. If they weren't, they wouldn't be qanon 

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10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The qanon crowd exists BECAUSE they lack the curiosity to look critically. Of course they were unaware of empirical facts that were easy to look up. If they weren't, they wouldn't be qanon 

well that and life is boring, so it's much more exciting to think that you're the protagonist in some fantasy taking down the secret pedophile cabal that runs the world. at the behest of some dudes who live in the philippines for totally legitimate reasons not related to pedophilia.

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4 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Needed better timing.  Yes if this was an election year for dotard it would sink him.  But he has time on his side.  Just need a few hundred thousand voters to stay home, not change to a Dem vote.  This would get that done if it were an election year, but alas...

If this should actually linger as a problem as we close in on the midterms, panic will set in and then the dismantling of our electoral process kicks into high gear. Federal takeover of urban elections offices, deployment of ICE agents to polling places, martial law, suspending the constitution, whatever it takes. It’s been noted many times already, but I’ll say it again: the GQP is governing like they know they don’t need to face the voters in a general election. 

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1 hour ago, elfenix said:

well that and life is boring, so it's much more exciting to think that you're the protagonist in some fantasy taking down the secret pedophile cabal that runs the world. at the behest of some dudes who live in the philippines for totally legitimate reasons not related to pedophilia.

I'M A HERO!!!!

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5 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m not convinced this would move the needle for Trump voters regardless

They could see video of Trump waving his dick around in front of a room full of boys and they would say the video was doctored as part of a smear campaign.

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.  A lot of these people still believe the earth is only 6,000 years old and all of the genetic diversity of mankind came from one man and one woman.  Evidence doesn't mean shit to these people.

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2 hours ago, softlynow said:

If this should actually linger as a problem as we close in on the midterms, panic will set in and then the dismantling of our electoral process kicks into high gear. Federal takeover of urban elections offices, deployment of ICE agents to polling places, martial law, suspending the constitution, whatever it takes. It’s been noted many times already, but I’ll say it again: the GQP is governing like they know they don’t need to face the voters in a general election. 

I think they’ll try.  I don’t think it will work.  

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10 hours ago, Red Five said:

It's truly fascinating to watch. "We must find these secret powerful rich pedophiles who were involved with Epstein!"

"What about your cult leader, who was best friends with him for about 15 years, is in a million pictures with him, spoke glowingly of him, allegedly got a hand job from a 13 year-old at this place, famously has zero morals, clearly has a thing for underage girls including his own daughter, and was President when Epstein was killed errrrr I mean when he committed suicide." 

(blank stare) "We must find these secret powerful rich pedophiles who were involved with Epstein!"

And their favorite movie is Pretty Baby. 

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What should be a way bigger part of this whole Epstein story is the scale of the trafficking ring and the extensive, sustained, and continuing coverup. I just scrolled my phone's newsfeed and nothing about Epstein for the top 50 stories. Just looked at CNN.com and not a damn thing about Epstein that I saw. The story has died for now even though Maxwell was just this Friday transferred to the country club detention facility. And, hahahaha, we all seem to be largely pinning our hopes on MAGA, QAnon dipshits staying pissed off about this. 

The free press is dead. Consolidation, right wing bullshit, control of media by the new mega billionaire class, the end of outlets like daily newspapers with nothing taking their place is what brought us here. The president's involvement in a child fucking sex trafficking ring used to would've been a story with some legs. It's estimated that there were as many as 1000 victims. Not a single living man has had any sort of criminal consequences. The one woman that was ever held to account now sits in the softest detention facility imaginable awaiting a likely pardon or commutation against the wishes of the victims. I know they've successfully flooded the zone with other outrages but I can't help but think about how different this would've been in the past. These are such bizarre times. 

Again, adjust your expectations downward, evermore past what you imagine to be the bottom of the abyss, you sweet summer children of the ledge.

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1 hour ago, Bojack said:

What should be a way bigger part of this whole Epstein story is the scale of the trafficking ring and the extensive, sustained, and continuing coverup. I just scrolled my phone's newsfeed and nothing about Epstein for the top 50 stories. Just looked at CNN.com and not a damn thing about Epstein that I saw. The story has died for now even though Maxwell was just this Friday transferred to the country club detention facility. And, hahahaha, we all seem to be largely pinning our hopes on MAGA, QAnon dipshits staying pissed off about this. 

The free press is dead. Consolidation, right wing bullshit, control of media by the new mega billionaire class, the end of outlets like daily newspapers with nothing taking their place is what brought us here. The president's involvement in a child fucking sex trafficking ring used to would've been a story with some legs. It's estimated that there were as many as 1000 victims. Not a single living man has had any sort of criminal consequences. The one woman that was ever held to account now sits in the softest detention facility imaginable awaiting a likely pardon or commutation against the wishes of the victims. I know they've successfully flooded the zone with other outrages but I can't help but think about how different this would've been in the past. These are such bizarre times. 

Again, adjust your expectations downward, evermore past what you imagine to be the bottom of the abyss, you sweet summer children of the ledge.

This is why Dems need to keep talking about it. They assume the media will cover it if it’s important and that’s not how it fucking works. 

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