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18 minutes ago, woohorn said:

Yeah, that is a pretty specific EXPLANATION that probably works to help assuage Gramps' image in the media, but bizarre to immediately go to that as an EXCUSE with your lawyer vs Carnival.

 

 

This plus the lawyer saying “it’s not like the Michael Jackson case” makes me think it was just like the Michael Jackson case. 

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13 hours ago, TeddyBearStallion said:

What's the best way to see naked boobs on a cruise?  Asking for a friend...

From what I hear, you wanna get a fake Ukrainian passport and apply to work as crew at sub-minimum wage. During your off-hour, you and all the foreigners have a massive sex-fest that makes the Irish steerage party in "Titanic" look like a staged scene from a Hollywood movie.

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What's the best way to see naked boobs on a cruise?  Asking for a friend...

Think most have an "Adult only" upper sun deck away from kids.

 

OR just room with ur mom.

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59 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

When I show up downstairs in the clown suit, they'll fly up those stairs with uncommon speed.

So will I

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11 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So instead of getting an abortion, now you can just have the baby, toss it out a cruise ship window,  and then collect a few million

I always prefer to sell them on the black market. Big bucks in white babies....

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6 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

That was reserved for the ice cream licker thread.  More along the lines of Game of Thornes type of death too.   

That woman should die screaming. 

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Coincidentally I was at the Condado Vanderbilt in San Juan all week last week and my wife noticed out our window that ship seemed to have been in dock and awfully long time. I just told her about this and I sort of wish I hadn’t. This hit close to home.

Awful.

 

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1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Regardless of the explanation letting a kid beat on real glass (not hockey plexiglass) seems kinda dumb.  

Just how much damage can a 2 year old do to a marine grade glass panel ?  Now if they start being annoying to folks around then yeah it's not cool. 

This whole thing seems a little like a concocted lie right now.  Somebody has a cell phone video I'll bet.

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5 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Just how much damage can a 2 year old do to a marine grade glass panel ?  Now if they start being annoying to folks around then yeah it's not cool. 

This whole thing seems a little like a concocted lie right now.  Somebody has a cell phone video I'll bet.

so you believe someone was actually watching the kid?

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6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Just how much damage can a 2 year old do to a marine grade glass panel ?  Now if they start being annoying to folks around then yeah it's not cool. 

This whole thing seems a little like a concocted lie right now.  Somebody has a cell phone video I'll bet.

Well anyway I’m not letting my kid bang against a window 11 stories up.  Hell on the ground floor either for that matter.  

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, slorch said:

so you believe someone was actually watching the kid?

I have no idea what happened right now. The original report made it seem like gramps pulled a Michael Jackson. Now it sounds like the kid was on a platform of some kind, and it toppled thru an open window.  In no way do I think the cruise line is responsible (right now).   Ships are dangerous places by their very nature.

Toddlers are the direct responsibility of the parents/grand parents/ guardians.

Edited by Onboard 2.0

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1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well anyway I’m not letting my kid bang against a window 11 stories up.  Hell on the ground floor either for that matter.  

Nor would I or my wife.

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

Apparently Chloe was a bad fan, banging glass and doing the wave

 

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/be-a-better-hockey-fan-101-hands-off-the-glass-and-quit-it-with-the-wave

 

Honestly who the fuck bangs on glass at a youth hockey game?  

People who need an excuse for dropping their kids out of a cruise ship window.

The hockey glass excuse seems pretty flimsy when you consider the glass on the ship was floor to ceiling. 

So why lift her up on the railing when she can just bang on the panel that can’t be opened on the bottom? 

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Posted (edited)

So the child was a glass banging junkie?

It all makes so much sense now.

Edited by BurntEyes

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4 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

This whole thing seems a little like a concocted lie right now.  Somebody has a cell phone video I'll bet.

i'm positive there a ships camera that caught it. All the common areas should be well covered.

If they knew she liked to bang on the glass, wouldn't you (as a normal, caring, parent) take precaution to prevent her doing it 150 ft in the air?

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Who encourages their child to bang on things in a public common area?

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5 hours ago, HookEm said:

Who encourages their child to bang on things in a public common area?

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You get out much in public?

 

You can't tell a kid no anymore...and if you do, the parent wets their pants on the spot.

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5 hours ago, HookEm said:

Who encourages their child to bang on things in a public common area?

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Not that I nessecarily believe their/this version of the facts, but this is a couple that took a 2 year old and their father on a cruise.

They don't have the best decision making skills and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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I always prefer to sell them on the black market. Big bucks in white babies....


Straight cash, homie

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19 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

When I show up downstairs in the clown suit, they'll fly up those stairs with uncommon speed.

This thread is extremely tragic, but this caused a few people to turn there heads and wonder why I was trying my hardest to keep my shit together.

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Not that I nessecarily believe their/this version of the facts, but this is a couple that took a 2 year old and their father on a cruise.
They don't have the best decision making skills and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Huh? How is this type of vacation even a questionable decision?

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Just now, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:


Huh? How is this type of vacation even a questionable decision?

General bias against cruises.  They can be a really sucky trip, but the 2 we've been on were anything but sucky.

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On 7/11/2019 at 2:47 PM, BurntEyes said:

Tell me where you want to draw the line between an "accident" and behavior that while never with any intent, ends in death.

Getting behind the wheel while drunk and running into someone on accident and killing them?

- That is basically what you are defending in this specific circumstance BTW. Grandpa was drunk and didn't mean to drop the child. 

Forgetting to feed your child?

Forgetting to feed your disabled parent or sibling?

Forgetting to feed a dog?

Not realizing a gun was loaded while you were cleaning it and your child was in the room?

Not being aware that driving 60 in a school zone is bad and not seeing a child?

I could go on all day with neglect or choices made that never intended any harm, and end in death.

So tell me where your line is and why drunk grandpa gets a pass and Chad driving home from the bar doesn't.

The thing is the acknowledgement that in most of these cases death or serious harm was never intended.  That makes the line difficult to draw, indeed.

Whereas most of Surly is "someone died!!!111!!!!" QED death penalty.  And while that's surly hyperbole (and mine), to a degree, that tends to be the reaction of the American public, generally.

Tort lawyers (mostly defense) have a saying that no amount of harm/damages is a substitute for proof of liability.  That's kind of applicable here.  Start with the level of culpability, not with the outcome.

Edited by TwiceHorn

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5 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Not that I nessecarily believe their/this version of the facts, but this is a couple that took a 2 year old and their father on a cruise.

They don't have the best decision making skills and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Just a hundred feet or so.

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2 hours ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:


Huh? How is this type of vacation even a questionable decision?

Um.. you have a 18 month old child.

Rather than have grandpa, who we know at least likes to hold the child near windows, baby sit for the cruise you have him and the child join.

It's fucking illogical as fuck. Maybe a bit of alone time for husband and wife to relax? Or maybe having an 18 month old around is relaxing and gets your sexy time juices flowing.

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The thing is the acknowledgement that in most of these cases death or serious harm was never intended.  That makes the line difficult to draw, indeed.

Whereas most of Surly is "someone died!!!111!!!!" QED death penalty.  And while that's surly hyperbole (and mine), to a degree, that tends to be the reaction of the American public, generally.

Tort lawyers (mostly defense) have a saying that no amount of harm/damages is a substitute for proof of liability.  That's kind of applicable here.  Start with the level of culpability, not with the outcome.

You are on the oddest tangent lately.

I believe you missed the nature of my post.

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Um.. you have a 18 month old child.

Rather than have grandpa, who we know at least likes to hold the child near windows, baby sit for the cruise you have him and the child join.

It's fucking illogical as fuck. Maybe a bit of alone time for husband and wife to relax? Or maybe having an 18 month old around is relaxing and gets your sexy time juices flowing.

Listen everybody.  No more vacations unless they're the ones Burnt eyes likes Okay ??  Wow brah, didn't know you were the vacation Tsar.  

We went on lots of family vacations with the FIL, and our toddler kids. They were always great. I'll be doing those same kinds of vacations with our daughter, and son one day soon.

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Posted (edited)

I've done the extended family vacation with a two year old.  Ideally you have grandparents watch the kids and you and the Mrs can vacation kid free, but if both sets of grandparents are full time workers that's not an option.  We've done it where we all vacation together so at least you can get some babysitting options during the vacation.  I imagine that's SOP for most family friendly vacation spots like cruises and resorts.

Edited by Gene Parmesan

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

You are on the oddest tangent lately.

I believe you missed the nature of my post.

No I am just pleased that you consider culpability at least somewhat separate from the outcome.  Most like to work backward from the outcome.

We have a bit of a habit in this country of engaging in the following thought pattern:  Oh, that's horrible, someone's gotta pay.  That's at least partially how tort verdicts get outrageous in some instances, and why we have incarceration nation.

Edited by TwiceHorn

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On 7/14/2019 at 10:17 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

That's one bonehead name. 

Well okay then. 

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On 7/11/2019 at 12:42 PM, RDCanecutter said:

Someone told me cruises are like being locked inside a Shoney's with drunks.

Me, I was thinking about going on half of one. Back when they were almost giving away tickets, my plan was to grab one in New Orleans, ride down to Progreso, then get off and never get back on, stay in Mexico as long as I felt like it, then get back to the US my own way, bus plane whatever. I called the cruise office and proposed my little scheme. There were lots of pauses in the conversation as they took it all in.

Doesn't dissipate what I imagine to be the RDC vibe...

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11 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Doesn't dissipate what I imagine to be the RDC vibe...

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Who wouldn't dig hangin'  w/ Mr. Finney ?

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57 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Doesn't dissipate what I imagine to be the RDC vibe...

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Take away the consulship, and add a taxi driven by a dude in a mullet, and you're just about there.

PS: I am not B. Traven. I am merely his agent.

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3 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Um.. you have a 18 month old child.

Rather than have grandpa, who we know at least likes to hold the child near windows, baby sit for the cruise you have him and the child join.

It's fucking illogical as fuck. Maybe a bit of alone time for husband and wife to relax? Or maybe having an 18 month old around is relaxing and gets your sexy time juices flowing.

That's your opinion.  I've done cruises with little kids and it isn't ideal but with extended family it makes it a lot easier.  Going on any vacation with kids isn't sexy time and that's known going into it.  

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1 hour ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

That's your opinion.  I've done cruises with little kids and it isn't ideal but with extended family it makes it a lot easier.  Going on any vacation with kids isn't sexy time and that's known going into it.  

Extended family shouldn’t extend babies out of a window. 

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4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Extended family shouldn’t extend babies out of a window. 

Well...... there is that.

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10 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Extended family shouldn’t extend babies out of a window. 

It solves the problem of having the little kid on the cruise, though.

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24 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Extended family shouldn’t extend babies out of a window. 

That's kind of a reach.

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50 minutes ago, RPM said:

That's kind of a reach.

I think his meaning is slipping through your fingers.

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11 minutes ago, ABSR said:

I think his meaning is slipping through your fingers.

Are you saying I don't have a firm grasp of the subject?

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2 minutes ago, RPM said:

Are you saying I don't have a firm grasp of the subject?

Well, some people just aren't hands on enough to grasp it.

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Did nobody on the ship ask Jackie Smith for his autograph?

 

 

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