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6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Part of what makes this so sticky is DJT’s penchant for using non-official MAGA world proxies all over the world. There’s a long tradition of outsourcing extremely sensitive and complex stuff when it makes strategic sense, but when that is done well, non-official people are tightly linked and coordinated with the official world. And it’s almost never done for things this. 

There’s been less chaos and confusion in the second term but it’s still an issue. This sounds like a Marx Brothers version of the Russian way of business. 

Well, both “presidents” do operate as mob bosses and are alleged to have ties to criminal enterprises. So, yeah, it makes sense that they’d operate similarly.

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There’s been less chaos and confusion in the second term but it’s still an issue.

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Full statement

“I must say this very clearly to the United States:

It makes absolutely no sense to speak of any necessity for the United States to take over Greenland. The United States has no legal basis to annex one of the three countries of the Kingdom of Denmark.

The Kingdom of Denmark — and thus Greenland — is a member of NATO and is therefore covered by the Alliance’s collective security guarantee. We already have a defence agreement between the Kingdom of Denmark and the United States that grants the U.S. broad access to Greenland. In addition, the Kingdom has made significant investments in security in the Arctic.

I therefore strongly urge the United States to cease its threats against a historically close ally, and against another country and another people who have stated very clearly that they are not for sale.”

Mette Frederiksen

Prime Minister of Denmark,,


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Denmark was one of those NATO allies that usually supported our stupid military adventures. Fine way to repay them.

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Statement from the Premier of Greenland

We have been a close and loyal friend of the United States for generations. We have stood shoulder to shoulder in difficult times. We have taken responsibility for security in the North Atlantic — and not least for North America. That is what true friends do.

Precisely for that reason, the current and repeated rhetoric coming from the United States is entirely unacceptable.

When the President of the United States speaks of “needing Greenland” and links us to Venezuela and military intervention, it is not only wrong. It is disrespectful.

Our country is not an object in great-power rhetoric. We are a people. A country. A democracy. That must be respected — especially by close and loyal friends.

We are part of NATO, and we are fully aware of our country’s strategic location. We also understand that our security depends on good friends and strong alliances. In that context, a respectful and loyal relationship with the United States is very important. That has been the case for decades.

But alliances are built on trust. And trust requires respect.

Threats, pressure, and talk of annexation have no place between friends. That is not how one speaks to a people who have repeatedly demonstrated responsibility, stability, and loyalty.

Enough is enough.

No more pressure.

No more insinuations.

No more fantasies of annexation.

We are open to dialogue. We are open to conversations. But they must take place through the proper channels and in full respect of international law. And the proper channels are not random and disrespectful posts on social media.

Greenland is our home and our territory.

And it will remain so.

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8 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Denmark was one of those NATO allies that usually supported our stupid military adventures. Fine way to repay them.

It’s so fucking embarrassing to be an American, that our allies are having to issue these statements.

We are open to dialogue. We are open to conversations. But they must take place through the proper channels and in full respect of international law.

What does that mean?

45 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

What does that mean?

They may be willing to lease some mineral rights out, for the right price and conditions, maybe allow another base or two.

They aren't selling the place off though.

And most likely Trump's backers won't be happy with the conditions (don't strip-mine it and leave a bunch of trash/fucked up areas).

I honestly don't think we are going to try and take over Greenland, for all of the jokes that have been made, because it's leagues away from Venezuela (which is itself making a lot of people on Trump's side uneasy, and now he's talking about Cuba).

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If you take about 10 steps back, I’m seeing a picture emerge. I don’t want to overstep and leap into conspiracy land, but the political madness lately does make sense if you consider the following:

The incoming AI and automation doomsday for labor (blue collar, white collar, and minimum wage), will necessitate a social framework that will need to keep the billionaires happy AND the rest of us from the streets with pitchforks.

If you look at, say Norway or the Middle East, a great way to accomplish this in the short run is a dividend paid to American citizens akin to a UBI check for most of us, the “useless eaters”, to meet basic needs (or at least feel like we are).

In order for this economic framework to work, you need a) strong returning assets like oil (see: KSA) like we look to be adding with Venezuela and Greenland b) strict/tight definitions, laws and parameters on what an American citizen is and means and qualifies for the monthly stipend. Which is why nationalism is all the rage again versus open borders etc.

Basically capitalism has failed and we have no exit ramp now that AI has been captured by the elite.

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1 hour ago, burner1234 said:

Basically capitalism has failed and we have no exit ramp now that AI has been captured by the elite.

I really should reread Necromancer, come to think of it

edit: lmao I meant to type "Cryptonomicon" but fuck it I like my first one better

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3 hours ago, burner1234 said:

In order for this economic framework to work, you need a) strong returning assets like oil (see: KSA) like we look to be adding with Venezuela and Greenland b) strict/tight definitions, laws and parameters on what an American citizen is and means and qualifies for the monthly stipend. Which is why nationalism is all the rage again versus open borders etc.

You just said it's going to take hundreds of billions of dollars and a decade or more to get a return on Venezuela.

Now you're pushing this.

And by the way, Republicans hate the idea of UBI.

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

You just said it's going to take hundreds of billions of dollars and a decade or more to get a return on Venezuela.

Now you're pushing this.

And by the way, Republicans hate the idea of UBI.

They hate the idea of a UBI just like they hate ACA/Obamacare. They just hate the name and when it's not their idea. They actually love the precepts. Look at how Trump loves the idea of a soverign wealth fund and a "freedom dividend". Same animal, different name.

2 minutes ago, burner1234 said:

They hate the idea of a UBI just like they hate ACA/Obamacare. They just hate the name and when it's not their idea. They actually love the precepts. Look at how Trump loves the idea of a soverign wealth fund and a "freedom dividend". Same animal, different name.

This idea presupposes that Trump is thinking decades down the road. He's not. He clearly thinks this stuff is like some kind of tech thing or real estate thing where profits can happen within just a few years, when it's the exact opposite (as you yourself said).

Our foreign policy is like a fucking pinball machine, and our eyes are chasing the ball around as it lights up various parts.

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

This idea presupposes that Trump is thinking decades down the road. He's not. He clearly thinks this stuff is like some kind of tech thing or real estate thing where profits can happen within just a few years, when it's the exact opposite (as you yourself said).

Our foreign policy is like a fucking pinball machine, and our eyes are chasing the ball around as it lights up various parts.

The Technocrat and elites are for sure thinking this way (cue the photo of Elon eating dinner with Trump and FLOTUS last week, having mending their hurt fees fees of 2025).

48 minutes ago, burner1234 said:

They hate the idea of a UBI just like they hate ACA/Obamacare. They just hate the name and when it's not their idea. They actually love the precepts. Look at how Trump loves the idea of a soverign wealth fund and a "freedom dividend". Same animal, different name.

"Freedom allowance"

There is no mechanism in the NATO treaty to expel a member. This seems like it will make it a little awkward when Article 5 is invoked against the US

I'm sure Putin is loving this shit.

Europe must unite or it’s ‘finished,’ Poland’s Tusk warns as Trump salivates over Greenland
“One for all, and all for one,” Polish prime minister urges as U.S. strikes Venezuela and threatens Greenland.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk issued a dire warning about the future of Europe, saying the continent is “finished” without unity, following a week that saw fractures in the stances of EU countries on foreign policy.

Tusk, a pro-European centrist, wrote on social media Monday that Europe won’t be taken “seriously” if it is “weak and divided: neither enemy nor ally.”

“It is already clear now. We must finally believe in our own strength, we must continue to arm ourselves, we must stay united like never before,” he said. “One for all, and all for one. Otherwise, we are finished.”

Tusk’s warning came after U.S. President Donald Trump revived his threats to take control of Greenland, the self-ruling Danish territory that he has long coveted. “We need Greenland from a national security situation,” the American leader told reporters on Air Force One on Sunday.

“We will deal with Greenland in about two months. Let’s talk about Greenland in 20 days,” he added, without giving more information about what he meant.

Those remarks came after the U.S. launched strikes on Venezuela and arrested its leader, Nicolás Maduro, in an audacious nighttime raid. The dramatic operation raised fears in Europe that Washington could attempt a takeover of Greenland, prompting Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen to issue a stern rebuke.

Annexing the Arctic island would make “absolutely no sense,” she said Sunday, with fellow Nordic nations Norway, Finland and Sweden expressing their support.

The EU’s response to the U.S. intervention in Venezuela has been somewhat varied. High Representative Kaja Kallas called for “restraint” in a statement that garnered the support of 26 member countries, minus Hungary.

Spain, meanwhile, split from the EU and joined five Latin American countries in a far more forceful statement slamming Washington’s attack on Venezuela’s sovereignty and calling for the nation’s natural resources not to be exploited, amid Trump’s pledge to take over its oil fields.

While most EU member countries have issued their own cautiously worded statements urging respect for international law, Italy struck a more approving note, calling military action “legitimate against hybrid security attacks.”

But Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico was scathing, saying the U.S. incursion in Venezuela was “further evidence of the breakdown of the world order,” and in a Facebook post on Monday, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said the “liberal world order is in disintegration.”

18 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

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We really are doing Russia’s bidding and acting like Russia in the process, and by Miller’s logic, there are plenty of territories and countries we could take over because they can’t beat the US military.

Russia is going to do something the Soviet Union couldn’t do - get the US out of NATO and on Russia’s side..

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Just now, High Plains Drifter said:

Canada should start talking about annexing Alaska

who owned Alaska before the US?

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

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We really are doing Russia’s bidding and acting like Russia in the process, and by Miller’s logic, there are plenty of territories and countries we could take over because they can’t beat the US military.

19th-century-style imperialism is en vogue again. Great powers, might makes right, spheres of influence, extracting resources from colonies, all that jazz.

Just now, bolverk said:

19th-century-style imperialism is en vogue again. Great powers, might makes right, spheres of influence, extracting resources from colonies, all that jazz.

North Korea: Told you we were justified in building nukes

Funny enough, the Greenland obsession was a plant from Putin back in 2019 to get trump off of Ukraine

It's wild how much circles back to Ukraine

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

North Korea: Told you we were justified in building nukes

Welcome to the new era of Bellum Americanum.

Let's put aside the kidnapping of a country's president, threats against Cuba, Colombia, and Greenland.

Those are just distracting us from the Epstein files.

16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

North Korea: Told you we were justified in building nukes

Ukraine: We shoulda held onto those nukes.

Iran: Yeah, we're gonna keep our nuclear program.

Every other country in the world: Awww fuck. Now I need nukes as well.

Arms race started by an orange buffoon and his owner.

26 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Let's put aside the kidnapping of a country's president, threats against Cuba, Colombia, and Greenland.

Those are just distracting us from the Epstein files.

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1 hour ago, Superhero said:

Ukraine: We shoulda held onto those nukes.

Iran: Yeah, we're gonna keep our nuclear program.

Every other country in the world: Awww fuck. Now I need nukes as well.

Arms race started by an orange buffoon and his owner.

If someone went The Sum of All Fears and snuck a nuke into Florida and detonated it in Palm Beach, would anyone offer an intel help to the US right now? Pretty sure the global response would be ...

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On 1/4/2026 at 6:30 PM, atomheartbevo said:

It’s so fucking embarrassing to be an American, that our allies are having to issue these statements.

I'm one of only two Americans who work for a company based in Denmark. This is really awesome. It's incredibly embarrassing.

10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This idea presupposes that Trump is thinking decades down the road. He's not. He clearly thinks this stuff is like some kind of tech thing or real estate thing where profits can happen within just a few years, when it's the exact opposite (as you yourself said).

Our foreign policy is like a fucking pinball machine, and our eyes are chasing the ball around as it lights up various parts.

Duh, just take a fee. Management, license, whatever. FEES!

Reeeeee taaaaaaayyyyyy ner.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/german-minister-protection-greenland-will-be-discussed-within-nato-if-needed-2026-01-05/

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul said on Monday that Greenland belonged to Denmark and that the NATO alliance could discuss strengthening its protection if necessary.

On Greenland, Wadephul stressed it was part of Denmark.

"And since Denmark is a member of NATO, Greenland will, in principle, also be subject to NATO defence," he said.

"And if there are further requirements to strengthen defence efforts concerning Greenland, then we will have to discuss this within the framework of the alliance."

He did not elaborate on the nature of those discussions

11 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's incredibly embarrassing.

So fucking embarrassing that Trump and Miller are talking about going to war against an allied nation that fought alongside us in Afghanistan.

So fucking pathetic.

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22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Good to see Elon’s castoffs are busy on the socials.

40 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

If someone went The Sum of All Fears

If you had pitched Tom Clancy on this plot, of a President covering for a dead pedophile, and along the way he’s going to take us to war with our NATO allies over Greenland because Putin got the idea planted in his head, Clancy, for all crazy shit in his books while he was alive, would have turned it down as outlandish.

wrong thread

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derp; herp

More from that Miller interview.

Stephen Miller Asserts U.S. Has Right to Take Greenland

In a CNN interview, the Trump aide also echoed the president’s intent to run Venezuela as he laid out a case for the United States to control weaker states by flexing its military might.

Stephen Miller, a top aide to President Trump, asserted on Monday that Greenland rightfully belonged to the United States and that the Trump administration could seize the semiautonomous Danish territory if it wanted.

“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Mr. Miller told Jake Tapper, the CNN host, after being asked repeatedly whether he would rule out using military force.

The remarks were part of a vocal push by Mr. Miller, long a powerful behind-the-scenes player in Trump administration policy, to justify American imperialism and a vision for a new world order in which the United States could freely overthrow national governments and take foreign territory and resources so long as it was in the national interest.

“We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

Mr. Miller made his comments after his wife posted an image on social media over the weekend suggesting that the United States would soon take control of Greenland, and as Mr. Trump has renewed his own push for the island. Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen of Denmark urged Mr. Trump on Sunday to “stop the threats” to annex Greenland, in effect attacking a NATO ally.

The United States’ taking Greenland by force would rip apart the central agreement that underpins the NATO military alliance, of which Denmark and the United States are both founding members. Under that treaty, an attack on any member is treated as an attack on all members. Mr. Trump has previously said he would not rule out using the military to take Greenland.

Mr. Miller also echoed Mr. Trump’s intent to rule Venezuela and exploit its vast oil reserves after a U.S. raid seized President Nicolás Maduro and his wife from Caracas. Even some of America’s staunchest allies have criticized the raid, and the U.N. secretary general, António Guterres, said the raid had violated the U.N. charter.

“The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.” (What exactly is meant by “running” Venezuela is a matter of some dispute; Secretary of State Marco Rubio has shied away from the descriptor — even as Trump insists that the United States is very much “in charge” of Venezuela — and Speaker Mike Johnson, who has vigorously defended the military operation, has maintained that the United States is not engaged in military hostilities or an occupation.)

Mr. Miller’s language echoed a dark history of the United States’ governing weaker, smaller states in Latin America by flexing its military might. Mr. Miller asserted that a U.S. military blockade of the South American country of 28 million people would give the United States control of Venezuela.

“We set the terms and conditions,” Mr. Miller said. “We have a complete embargo on all of their oil and their ability to do commerce. So for them to do commerce, they need our permission. For them to be able to run an economy, they need our permission. So the United States is in charge. The United States is running the country.”

Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, denounced Mr. Miller’s remarks soon afterward, saying on CNN that “Mr. Miller gave a very good definition of imperialism.”

“Trump has made it clear he wants to take Venezuela’s oil,” he added. “Last I heard, this is what imperialism is all about. And I suspect that people all over the world are saying, ‘Wow, we’re going back to where we were 100 years ago, or 50 years ago, where the big, powerful countries were exploiting poorer countries for their natural resources.’”

Team Greenland. They have a right to defend themselves at all costs.

My paternal great-great grandfather emigrated from Denmark. I'm very tempted to hang the [emoji1087] from my front porch.

Danish prime minister says a US takeover of Greenland would mark the end of NATO
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said Monday an American takeover of Greenland would amount to the end of the NATO military alliance. Her comments came in response to U.S. President Donald Trump’s renewed call for the strategic, mineral-rich Arctic island to come under U.S. control in the aftermath of the weekend military operation in Venezuela.

The dead-of-night operation by U.S. forces in Caracas to capture leader Nicolás Maduro and his wife early Saturday left the world stunned, and heightened concerns in Denmark and Greenland, which is a semiautonomous territory of the Danish kingdom and thus part of NATO.

Frederiksen and her Greenlandic counterpart, Jens Frederik Nielsen, blasted the president’s comments and warned of catastrophic consequences. Numerous European leaders expressed solidarity with them.

“If the United States chooses to attack another NATO country militarily, then everything stops,” Frederiksen told Danish broadcaster TV2 on Monday. “That is, including our NATO and thus the security that has been provided since the end of the Second World War.”

20-day timeline deepens fears
Trump called repeatedly during his presidential transition and the early months of his second term for U.S. jurisdiction over Greenland, and has not ruled out military force to take control of the island. His comments Sunday, including telling reporters “let’s talk about Greenland in 20 days,” further deepened fears that the U.S. was planning an intervention in Greenland in the near future.

Frederiksen also said Trump “should be taken seriously” when he says he wants Greenland. “We will not accept a situation where we and Greenland are threatened in this way,” she added.

Nielsen, in a news conference Monday, said Greenland cannot be compared to Venezuela. He urged his constituents to stay calm and united.

“We are not in a situation where we think that there might be a takeover of the country overnight and that is why we are insisting that we want good cooperation,” he said.

Nielsen added: “The situation is not such that the United States can simply conquer Greenland.”

Ask Rostrup, a TV2 political journalist, wrote on the station’s live blog Monday that Mette previously would have flatly rejected the idea of an American takeover of Greenland. But now, Rostrup wrote, the rhetoric has escalated so much that she has to acknowledge the possibility.

Trump slams Denmark’s security efforts in Greenland
Trump on Sunday also mocked Denmark’s efforts at boosting Greenland’s national security posture, saying the Danes have added “one more dog sled” to the Arctic territory’s arsenal.

“It’s so strategic right now,” Trump had told reporters Sunday as he flew back to Washington from his home in Florida. “Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships all over the place.”

He added: “We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and Denmark is not going to be able to do it.”

But Ulrik Pram Gad, a global security expert from the Danish Institute for International Studies, wrote in a report last year that “there are indeed Russian and Chinese ships in the Arctic, but these vessels are too far away to see from Greenland with or without binoculars.”

U.S. space base in northwestern Greenland
Greenlanders and Danes were further rankled this weekend by a social media post following the raid by a former Trump administration official turned podcaster, Katie Miller. The post shows an illustrated map of Greenland in the colors of the Stars and Stripes accompanied by the caption: “SOON.”

“And yes, we expect full respect for the territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Denmark,” Ambassador Jesper Møller Sørensen, Denmark’s chief envoy to Washington, said in a post responding to Miller, who is married to Trump’s influential deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.

The U.S. Department of Defense operates the remote Pituffik Space Base in northwestern Greenland. It was built following a 1951 defense agreement between Denmark and the United States. It supports missile warning, missile defense and space surveillance operations for the U.S. and NATO.

On Denmark’s mainland, the partnership between the U.S. and Denmark has been long-lasting. The Danes buy American F-35 fighter jets and just last year, Denmark’s parliament approved a bill to allow U.S. military bases on Danish soil.

Critics say the vote ceded Danish sovereignty to the U.S. The legislation widens a previous military agreement, made in 2023 with the Biden administration, where U.S. troops had broad access to Danish air bases in the Scandinavian country.

I wonder if there is somebody at the Pentagon currently brainstorming what to do with the 200+ US military installations spread across a range of NATO allied countries.

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

Danish prime minister says a US takeover of Greenland would mark the end of NATO
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said Monday an American takeover of Greenland would amount to the end of the NATO military alliance. Her comments came in response to U.S. President Donald Trump’s renewed call for the strategic, mineral-rich Arctic island to come under U.S. control in the aftermath of the weekend military operation in Venezuela.

The dead-of-night operation by U.S. forces in Caracas to capture leader Nicolás Maduro and his wife early Saturday left the world stunned, and heightened concerns in Denmark and Greenland, which is a semiautonomous territory of the Danish kingdom and thus part of NATO.

Frederiksen and her Greenlandic counterpart, Jens Frederik Nielsen, blasted the president’s comments and warned of catastrophic consequences. Numerous European leaders expressed solidarity with them.

“If the United States chooses to attack another NATO country militarily, then everything stops,” Frederiksen told Danish broadcaster TV2 on Monday. “That is, including our NATO and thus the security that has been provided since the end of the Second World War.”

Understand that this is exactly what the admin wants, because it has been completely manipulated and played by Putin (seriously, the original letter that started this Greenland shit in Trump's brain years ago was a Russian plant). The game plan is to kill NATO, and the admin is on board with that goal.

1 hour ago, swraith said:

I wonder if there is somebody at the Pentagon currently brainstorming what to do with the 200+ US military installations spread across a range of NATO allied countries.

The Regime also wants this outcome. They want all of those troops and assets coming back to the US. Why? So he can use them. Here. Against us. 2,000 US tanks in Europe do the regime no good. 2,000 tanks back here, available to be deployed against the American people, are essential to the regime's goals and long-term planning.

None of this is mysterious. They've said so.

What happens when they land a small expeditionary force in Greenland, declare it a US territory, and some Danish Fisherman shoots a Ranger or Marine with a hunting rifle? Is Trump really going to go Battle of Fallujuh on Greenland?

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

What happens when they land a small expeditionary force in Greenland, declare it a US territory, and some Danish Fisherman shoots a Ranger or Marine with a hunting rifle? Is Trump really going to go Battle of Fallujuh on Greenland?

Maybe that would be enough for him to not only get impeached but also removed??

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The House isn't gonna impeach him. The senate definitely won't vote to convict.

Greenland is fucked. We're fucked. The whole got damn world is fucked.

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