Donald Trump 2018

[Buzzrock 14775]

All college educated voters broke for Hillary.
White college educated voters broke for Trump.
 

Show me that venn please

[Buzzrock 14775]

Can I see a Venn diagram?

Dammit...

[troph 23963]

What you see is the result of brainwashing via the media, ie Fox News and talk radio. It’s much easier to do that to the elderly and children than those in the middle. And that is what they have done. 

Note to self: don’t start watching TV and trolling Facebook when you’re old. Stick to books and travel.

[Buzzrock 14775]

No he’s correct. Plenty of normal guys I fish with. Don’t follow politics, don’t read long-form journalism, maybe a bit of Fox News etc. They aren’t cruel or hateful either. Just enjoying the F250, house on the West End/ or POC and the deer lease. Millions of willfully ignorant out there.
Unfortunately Democracies require a well informed electorate.
In that regard we are fucked.

Bingo

[jimmyjazz 45055]

Nah, they got their anti-Hillary hate somewhere.  Likely Rush.  They're not passive observers enjoying their deer leases and F150s (mind the recall, please).

[Buzzrock 14775]

Got into it with a family member and it devolved into Beto is a socialist and hates America and ANTIFA and communism and only conservatives can be Christian. He paid into the system so his healthcare and pension was earned and is not a form of social welfare and everyone else is a socialist and all Ted Cruz and Donald Trump want to do is to keep America America. It was down right demoralizing.

Ooh, “only conservatives can be Christian” is one of the top bullshitteries that triggers Buzzrock

[jimmyjazz 45055]

That's because Jesus was the ultimate Liberal (capital "L").

[bad_teammate 13018]

8 minutes ago, troph said:

Not easy calling your pops out, you know what I mean?

Pro-tip for talking to old people: Don't fight them, just talk to them like they're already on your side. Racists don't think, "I'm a racist", so what you do is talk about how much better they are than all those stupid racists out there and how people like them don't have those kinds of terrible beliefs. (Even though they do, because they're also racists.)

It's condescending and the intellectual equivalent of patting them on the head and saying, "Bless your heart.", but they are old, their brains don't work quickly and they love attention.

Edited September 9, 2018 by bad_teammate

[Buzzrock 14775]

My mother voted for Trump because he wasn't Hillary.
Two years later, she absolutely loathes Donald Trump. She won't be voting for him again.
I imagine there are a lot of people like that.

I agree with this as well. The second part, I don’t know anything about your mom. As far as you know.

[Born to Run 6186]

Nah, they got their anti-Hillary hate somewhere.  Likely Rush.  They're not passive observers enjoying their deer leases and F150s (mind the recall, please).

Disagree. She unlikeable enough, add in a few casual conversations around the campfire about D = taking guns and that’s all you need for them to punch straight R. A few sound bites about going after China and they are all in.

[Buzzrock 14775]

My grandparents are stuck in the Small Town, America bubble and are active members in a small Christian congregation. It's amazing how they are looking the other way on all of the things Trump does purely because they have been convinced that the Democrats want to destroy Christianity and legalize sin. They are both in their 80's.

I have been sitting on a very long diatribe about the decline of the status of elders in modern society, but I haven't found the right thread for it, yet. There has been a massive societal change in something that has been a norm for literally all of human history and I haven't seen any articles that talk about it. The elders have made themselves obsolete and a danger to society by their inaction. If I didn't have 5 hours of studying left to do for the weekend, I'd sit down and hash it out.

Hasn’t that always been the case? It seems like olds have always been conservative and scared and out of touch.

[troph 23963]

I want to legalize sin. For reals who is against that?!?

[SaucyJack 3468]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

I want to legalize sin. For reals who is against that?!?

 

[jimmyjazz 45055]

10 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

 

Disagree. She unlikeable enough, add in a few casual conversations around the campfire about D = taking guns and that’s all you need for them to punch straight R. A few sound bites about going after China and they are all in.

 

I honestly don't think that comes close to explaining the anti-Hillary vitriol.  There is a ton of stoked conspiracy theory behind it all.

[Buzzrock 14775]

My grandparents are stuck in the Small Town, America bubble and are active members in a small Christian congregation. It's amazing how they are looking the other way on all of the things Trump does purely because they have been convinced that the Democrats want to destroy Christianity and legalize sin. They are both in their 80's.

I have been sitting on a very long diatribe about the decline of the status of elders in modern society, but I haven't found the right thread for it, yet. There has been a massive societal change in something that has been a norm for literally all of human history and I haven't seen any articles that talk about it. The elders have made themselves obsolete and a danger to society by their inaction. If I didn't have 5 hours of studying left to do for the weekend, I'd sit down and hash it out.

Hasn’t that always been the case? It seems like olds have always been conservative and scared and out of touch.

[SaucyJack 3468]

15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Nah, they got their anti-Hillary hate somewhere.  Likely Rush.  They're not passive observers enjoying their deer leases and F150s (mind the recall, please).

Chill on this, some posters are trying to give you accurate intel.  Keeping 5,10 or 20k in taxes is a really powerful motivator for some folks.

[hobbes2702 12481]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I honestly don't think that comes close to explaining the anti-Hillary vitriol.  There is a ton of stoked conspiracy theory behind it all.

Yea the “unlikeable” thing is largely bullshit driven by decades of conspiracy, false accusations, and crazy people on the radio not liking her because she was married to Bill.

[Kilgorehorn 308]

2 minutes ago, SaucyJack said:

Chill on this, some posters are trying to give you accurate intel.  Keeping 5,10 or 20k in taxes is a really powerful motivator for some folks.

Who are these people keeping 5,10 or 20K in taxes?

[troph 23963]

She’s a lesbian and has orgies on Air Force 2 and she killed Vince foster and helped the cartel with air strips in Arkansas.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

6 minutes ago, SaucyJack said:

Chill on this, some posters are trying to give you accurate intel.  Keeping 5,10 or 20k in taxes is a really powerful motivator for some folks.

Wut?

[Buzzrock 14775]

Note to self: don’t start watching TV and trolling Facebook when you’re old. Stick to books and travel.

I find myself wondering if social media will face a backlash at some point.

Probably not. Human ego plus an instant free podium will always be appealing.

[Buzzrock 14775]

I want to legalize sin. For reals who is against that?!?

There are absolutely brilliant, educated people who think like that.

[Buzzrock 14775]

Yea the “unlikeable” thing is largely bullshit driven by decades of conspiracy, false accusations, and crazy people on the radio not liking her because she was married to Bill.

She’s plenty unlikeable. But that’s another thread.

[Anastasis 23191]

It amazing that there are still people here tilting about how hillary wasnt a terrible fucking candidate. Sober up guys. /youfirst. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

It’s amazing how much you bring up Hillary 

[Anastasis 23191]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s amazing how much you bring up Hillary 

Its amazing that people respond to the dialog taking place on the previous page.

[troph 23963]

She was a bad candidate. She would have made for a much much better President than DT.

[Js1 82357]

True that

Edited September 9, 2018 by Js1

[Anastasis 23191]

Just now, troph said:

She was a bad candidate. She would have made for a much much better President than DT.

Worst candidate of all time. And agree with the second part.  With the exception that we would be engaged in murdering more brown people under hilldawg. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

I can’t wait to read this book.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

[Brisketexan 103143]

 

In fairness, he’s actually one of the admin officials who typically WOULD spend time in Russia. That’s utterly consistent with the duties of the DOE.

[hobbes2702 12481]

29 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It amazing that there are still people here tilting about how hillary wasnt a terrible fucking candidate. Sober up guys. /youfirst. 

She was a bad candidate however the “unlikable” moniker is made up bullshit. She’s a bad candidate because she was a neo-con who didn’t seem to steadfast in some of her positions. 

[Brisketexan 103143]

She was a bad candidate however the “unlikable” moniker is made up bullshit. She’s a bad candidate because she was a neo-con who didn’t seem to steadfast in some of her positions. 

No, it’s not. She was utterly untrustworthy with no platform or message but “it’s my turn.” She’s fake and untrustworthy and defined entirely by her own ambition. Hell, she’s a female, dem Ted Cruz.

 

But it don’t matter - all that, and she’d still have been a better president than Trump. But she’s not, so why does it matter? She’s literally history.

[Anastasis 23191]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

She was a bad candidate however the “unlikable” moniker is made up bullshit. She’s a bad candidate because she was a neo-con who didn’t seem to steadfast in some of her positions. 

So you find her likable.  It's like you and Hugo are the only people occupying that corner. 

[hobbes2702 12481]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No, it’s not. She was utterly untrustworthy with no platform or message but “it’s my turn.” She’s fake and untrustworthy and defined entirely by her own ambition. Hell, she’s a female, dem Ted Cruz.

 

But it don’t matter - all that, and she’d still have been a better president than Trump. But she’s not, so why does it matter? She’s literally history.

You just described politicians entirely. Look I’m not saying I would be friends with her but this ridiculous assertion that she is so much worse than every other politician is a fucking joke. She’s a politician and acts like one. 

And like you said it doesn’t fucking matter. Her being unlikeable is the excuse dumbfucks use to justify voting for trump which is laughable 

Edited September 10, 2018 by hobbes2702

[seven 1358]

1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

 

It gets eyeballs on the TV. That is 100% all they care about. Trump is the best thing to ever happen to for-profit news.

 

Absolutely, finally something to fill in that that dead air between the latest natural disaster and the next school shooting. 

[pyrohornIII 4742]

2 hours ago, Born to Run said:

 

 

No he’s correct. Plenty of normal guys I fish with. Don’t follow politics, don’t read long-form journalism, maybe a bit of Fox News etc. They aren’t cruel or hateful either. Just enjoying the F250, house on the West End/ or POC and the deer lease. Millions of willfully ignorant out there.
Unfortunately Democracies require a well informed electorate.
In that regard we are fucked.

I have a lot of family exactly like this.  They have a comfortable life.  They figure everyone else who is not enjoying a comfortable life is not trying, is lazy or whatever.   But in their defense, getting your own was drilled into a lot of baby boomers by the golden generation.  I am talking white, mainly.  So in their minds they did it right and don't understand there are other sides to the story.    They don't consider themselves racists.  They consider themselves as people who worked hard to get ahead.  All the others of different races that didn't do that, well, they are just too lazy or were brought up wrong.    You mention white entitlement, then you get affirmative action and welfare queens tossed back at you. 

They are dug in hard,  and are in dread of losing what they worked so hard for.  That the government is going to take all their stuff and redistribute it.  They refuse to see that they are already doing that, just upward, not downward.   But like BTR said, they are too busy living the American dream to slow down and really open their eyes.   Lot of them are too busy making payments on things they really don't need.  

[MissingInAction 24262]

. Describes my family to a T.

[Eskimohorn 5544]

They are pundits. And there is nothing wrong with that. But to be a serious journalist you can’t care who wins. To argue otherwise is silly.

Not sure I agree with your history of journalism there. You think journalists were standing on the sidelines against McCarthy, Vietnam War, Watergate, Iran-Contra? You think Cronkite reported both sides objectively, when one of those sides was obstructing justice or blackballing people?

As long as journalists have eyeballs, they’ll root against corruption, malfeasance, liars. It’s why the best journalists do what they do.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

My comfortable life is a direct consequence of my parents' efforts, and to some degree those of their parents.  I have no illusions that my ability to attend college and secure multiple degrees is "my doing", other than I was blessed with enough intelligence to get into and get through school.  My own efforts are well down the list of reasons why I have succeeded.  Not zero, but that leg up was huge.

Then again, I'm not a conservative.  Maybe I just see things more clearly.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

 

[mdmost 42167]

I see nipple

[LonghornJudas 1084]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

[Mdhorn 5819]

2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

 

They are pundits. And there is nothing wrong with that. But to be a serious journalist you can’t care who wins. To argue otherwise is silly.

 

Fat Orange Man demands partiality to him or be labeled the enemy.  That's actually dangerous at times.  Just reading his tweets informs a person how shitty of a human being he is.  

[SaucyJack 3468]

2 hours ago, Kilgorehorn said:

Who are these people keeping 5,10 or 20K in taxes?

 

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Wut?

Not quite sure what you're asking.

2018 federal income tax changes are going to affect a large chunk of the tax paying population, hence, my post.

Maybe I should have clarified, that savings (due to tax law changes ) will  be 5,10, 20K, etc.

As other posters have noted, for some Trump supporters (mostly apolitical), the tax issue is all they care about.

 

[Mdhorn 5819]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

No, it’s not. She was utterly untrustworthy with no platform or message but “it’s my turn.” She’s fake and untrustworthy and defined entirely by her own ambition. Hell, she’s a female, dem Ted Cruz.

 

But it don’t matter - all that, and she’d still have been a better president than Trump. But she’s not, so why does it matter? She’s literally history.

Well, yeah, she doesn't need universal health insurance, a living wage, affordable education or anything else she ran on.  She's not running for her though.  When Trump won, she won as well financially.  By this measure, Warren should be unstoppable but, wait, what?  She's an unlikeable bitch as well as is K. Harris?  Help me, I'm seeing a pattern.  

[Biff Tannen 44917]

2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

I have a lot of family exactly like this.  They have a comfortable life.  They figure everyone else who is not enjoying a comfortable life is not trying, is lazy or whatever.   But in their defense, getting your own was drilled into a lot of baby boomers by the golden generation.  I am talking white, mainly.  So in their minds they did it right and don't understand there are other sides to the story.    They don't consider themselves racists.  They consider themselves as people who worked hard to get ahead.  All the others of different races that didn't do that, well, they are just too lazy or were brought up wrong.    You mention white entitlement, then you get affirmative action and welfare queens tossed back at you. 

They are dug in hard,  and are in dread of losing what they worked so hard for.  That the government is going to take all their stuff and redistribute it.  They refuse to see that they are already doing that, just upward, not downward.   But like BTR said, they are too busy living the American dream to slow down and really open their eyes.   Lot of them are too busy making payments on things they really don't need.  

One billion percent my sister and her husband.  Frat boy from UT who is smart and owns his own engineering company.  At dinner tonight he made an off-hand comment about people who don't work hard for what they earn and want everything given to them.  He didn't even think about it, he just does it as easily as breathing.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

3 minutes ago, SaucyJack said:

 

Not quite sure what you're asking.

2018 federal income tax changes are going to affect a large chunk of the tax paying population, hence, my post.

Maybe I should have clarified, that savings (due to tax law changes ) will  be 5,10, 20K, etc.

As other posters have noted, for some Trump supporters (mostly apolitical), the tax issue is all they care about.

 

I'm probably upper 2% and I'll be paying more tax, so no, I don't know what you're talking about.  It's a tax break for the extremely wealthy.