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25 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Nobody over 55 allowed anymore

Eh, that's a little extreme. But I would totally be on board with a law that says no one can start a new term in any federal office past 70. Mandatory retirement for Federal judges at 72. 

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On 6/5/2025 at 3:56 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

some things should be left unsaid

Yeah well it was said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5338457-maher-democrats-elon-musk-joe-rogan/

Of course.

2 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Eh, that's a little extreme. But I would totally be on board with a law that says no one can start a new term in any federal office past 70. Mandatory retirement for Federal judges at 72. 

Canada has mandatory retirement for Judges at 75. Sounds good to me.

Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't allow Cardinals to vote in the election for Pope if they are over 80.

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There were a few elections today with significant overperformances by the Democratic candidate, including in Tulsa. Not sure if this is the right thread but...

The most impressive

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2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

There were a few elections today with significant overperformances by the Democratic candidate, including in Tulsa. Not sure if this is the right thread but...

The most impressive

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Better headline:
Trail of Cheers for Democratic candidate as GOP forced to give up previously held seat to new occupant.

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44 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:


Better headline:
Trail of Cheers for Democratic candidate as GOP forced to give up previously held seat to new occupant.

Someone did UIL Headline Writing in high school…

 

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9 hours ago, Dnaguy said:


Better headline:
Trail of Cheers for Democratic candidate as GOP forced to give up previously held seat to new occupant.

It’s within Tulsa City Limits and was held by two dems previously. Her predecessor vacated the office to take a role as the new Mayors Tribal liaison, she was also Native and very liberal. This was a special election and her gop opponent is a troll who enters every race and always losses, she only made it past the primary this time because it was a vacated seat and the gop didn’t give a shit knowing it was one of like 8 seats that the dems hold pretty solidly these days. She barely campaigned and just look at her lol. 
 

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43 minutes ago, 'stache said:

It’s within Tulsa City Limits and was held by two dems previously. Her predecessor vacated the office to take a role as the new Mayors Tribal liaison, she was also Native and very liberal. This was a special election and her gop opponent is a troll who enters every race and always losses, she only made it past the primary this time because it was a vacated seat and the gop didn’t give a shit knowing it was one of like 8 seats that the dems hold pretty solidly these days. She barely campaigned and just look at her lol. 
 

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Hmmmmm......

 

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This could've gone in the "Way too early prez" thread, but I thought here was better because first things first. The Dems needed a national leader, and Newsom is giving it a shot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/11/us/newsom-speech-2028.html
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When Gavin Newsom stepped in front of a camera Tuesday evening, he was a California governor addressing his constituents as a crisis of civil disorder gripped pockets of Los Angeles.

But by the time Mr. Newsom was finished, it was clear the governor was speaking not only to his state but to his country, and his beleaguered party.

To Democrats looking for direction and leadership, Mr. Newsom used one of the highest profile moments of his political career to lay out the threat he argued President Trump posed to the nation, and how Americans should resist it. And he suggested he was the man to lead that fight.

“Democracy is under assault right before our eyes,” Mr. Newsom said. “The moment we’ve feared has arrived.”

The next presidential election is more than three years away. But it was hard to watch the speech, delivered as anti-Trump protests spread from Los Angeles to other cities, and not wonder if the 2028 campaign had already begun. This may well prove to be a turning point both for Mr. Newsom and for the Democratic Party.

Mr. Newsom has made little secret of his interest in running for president, and the speech, posted on his social media channels, was filled with the trappings of a nationally televised address from a White House candidate. He was flanked by an American and a California flag, dressed in a suit and tie, and he read from a prepared speech, which is unusual for the governor, who has dyslexia. A copy of his prepared text was released to the media in advance of its delivery, from a television studio in Los Angeles.

“He gave a kickoff to his 2028 campaign,” said Steve Bannon, a former top aide to Mr. Trump and a critic of Mr. Newsom.

The speech was the culmination of several days of battles between Mr. Newson and Mr. Trump that have captivated much of the nation. The immigration raids carried out by federal agents on Friday set off demonstrations across Los Angeles. Mr. Trump sent in the National Guard and the Marines despite Mr. Newsom’s objections, producing days of caustic exchanges.

It was also a reminder of how quickly Mr. Newsom’s standing has changed.

A month ago, Mr. Newsom seemed at times in danger of fading to the sidelines. At 57, he was playing out his final years as governor, since he is barred by term limits from seeking a third term.

He was facing the thankless burden of managing a huge state budget deficit, overseeing the rebuilding of Los Angeles after the January wildfires and grappling with Mr. Trump as the president moved to undercut signature California programs, from high-speed rail to clean air measures. For much of 2024, Mr. Newsom had been closely tied to Joe Biden, acting as one of the former president’s surrogates and defenders before Mr. Biden was forced out of the race.

Mr. Newsom had sought, in the first days of the Trump administration, to raise his profile and to influence the direction of the Democratic Party. He hosted a podcast — “This is Gavin Newsom” — in which he gave a platform to some of the leading figures in the Trump movement, including Mr. Bannon. He met Mr. Trump with a handshake at LAX when the president came to tour the damage from the fires. And he broke with many Democrats in saying that he thought that the participation of transgender athletes in women’s sports was “deeply unfair.”

Those actions made Mr. Newsom an unpopular figure with parts of the Democratic Party. It’s unclear whether his abrupt change, from saying Democrats needed to work with Mr. Trump to his searing attacks on the president on Tuesday, will feed apprehensions among some Democrats that Mr. Newsom is inauthentic or an opportunist.

But Mr. Newsom’s stature, at least in his party, was likely elevated by a barrage of attacks from Mr. Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson and other G.O.P. leaders in the aftermath of the demonstrations against the Trump administration’s immigration policies. Mr. Trump suggested Mr. Newsom be placed under arrest; Mr. Johnson said he should be “tarred and feathered.” As a result, the lame-duck governor of California has emerged as arguably the most prominent Democratic foil to Mr. Trump.

For his part, Mr. Newsom has seemed to relish parrying with Republicans on social media, responding to their comments with acid retorts that won him cheers from Democrats who had, not so long ago, been skeptical of Mr. Newsom’s friendly podcast banter with right-wing figures.

“It gives Gavin the ability to be a leader of a resistance that is not contrived,” said Rob Stutzman, a political strategist and a senior consultant to former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, a Republican. “It’s real, because Trump has attacked him and his state.”

For all the plaudits he may be winning from Democrats, Mr. Newsom could face tough going should he decide to run. He comes from California, the symbol of blue America and the home of Kamala Harris, the former vice president who lost to Mr. Trump in November’s election. And these next few weeks could prove increasingly difficult, as Mr. Newsom finds his fortunes tied both to what happens on the streets of Los Angeles and to the actions of the man in the White House.

David Axelrod, the former chief political aide to Barack Obama, said Mr. Newsom’s “message was very powerful.” But he warned that it is difficult to at once “admonish the president for his provocative, escalatory actions,” while at the same time urging “protesters to show restraint.”

Still, with his bristling attacks on Mr. Trump, Mr. Newsom may have positioned himself this week as the leader of the very resistance he once eschewed. The question is whether he can now do what so many other Democrats have failed to do over these chaotic five months: unite the party behind a strategy to weaken a president who has seemed invincible.

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Look newsom gave a speech that doesn't mean he is any kind of qualified or good leader. 

Leadership is getting on a fucking plane, going down to ground zero and telling people to knock it the fuck off or join in and lead by example. 

All these mother fuckers are so far up their own ass they think they are in an ivory tower.

Real leadership isn't talking behind a fucking camera in a studio all alone with makeup. It's activating people and enabling outcomes. There is no change in outcome that is coming from any of this. 

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

I meant the cute speech behind camera. Obviously the protests are effective. 


Newsome has been 100x better pushing back against Trump than Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. Where are those two betas?

 

We’d be a lot better off if hundreds of dem pols stood in front of a camera and tore Trump apart point by point. Put it on tiktok, Facebook, YouTube. 

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7 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


Newsome has been 100x better pushing back against Trump than Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. Where are those two betas?

 

We’d be a lot better off if hundreds of dem pols stood in front of a camera and tore Trump apart point by point. Put it on tiktok, Facebook, YouTube. 

As much as all of you want to think I trump is a terrible leader, he isn't. He's a pretty fucking good leader, he is just completely retarded so his outcomes are dogshit, he gets the outcomes he wants and he gets people to fall in line extremely well though. Its easy to lead by example when its hate and incompetence that you are getting people to follow you on, so there's that. 

Newsom fucking sucks, but I'll give you that he's the best active thing going right now for dems. 

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Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

you are massively conflating leadership with authoritarianism/dictatorship. what dotard exhibits is not leadership - not even in the slightest. he coerces, strongarms, or outright lies and manipulates people to get his way. you need to open your eyes, man 

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not leadership. 

You need to open your fucking eyes. I'm not blind to what's happening, it seems like you are. 

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14 minutes ago, immamac said:

As much as all of you want to think I trump is a terrible leader, he isn't. He's a pretty fucking good leader, he is just completely retarded so his outcomes are dogshit, he gets the outcomes he wants and he gets people to fall in line extremely well though. Its easy to lead by example when its hate and incompetence that you are getting people to follow you on, so there's that. 

Newsom fucking sucks, but I'll give you that he's the best active thing going right now for dems. 

You're effectively arguing that someone who plans for the building to burn down is a great planner. He's not leading anything - he's destroying systems and agencies and the actual mechanisms that the government had to serve its citizens. It's not good leadership, it's letting his minions off the leash and letting them run amok.

 

When your only desired outcome is chaos and suffering and destruction, it doesn't take an Eisenhower to make that happen.

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Just because it's not the leadership you want doesn't mean it's not leadership, holy absolute fuck. Why are some of you so dense that you cannot even see outside your own god damned bubble. 

35% of the country thinks trump is a fantastic leader and he is doing shit that they want. Leadership and winning aren't the same fucking thing. 

 

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57 minutes ago, immamac said:

Real leadership isn't talking behind a fucking camera in a studio all alone with makeup.

 

20 minutes ago, immamac said:

As much as all of you want to think I trump is a terrible leader, he isn't. He's a pretty fucking good leader

You should read your own posts sometimes, man.

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7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Just because it's not the leadership you want doesn't mean it's not leadership, holy absolute fuck. Why are some of you so dense that you cannot even see outside your own god damned bubble. 

35% of the country thinks trump is a fantastic leader and he is doing shit that they want. Leadership and winning aren't the same fucking thing. 

 

if you think that's what leadership looks like, remind me to never work for/with you.

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Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not leadership. 
You need to open your fucking eyes. I'm not blind to what's happening, it seems like you are. 

He usually gets what he wants, nobody can deny that.

I will push back hard, however, that this makes him a good leader.
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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

He's basically just saying Trump is an effective cult leader. Which he is.

Sure. It's just funny reading his wild swings from literally one post to the next about leadership while speaking very condescendingly to anyone he thinks disagrees with him when, again, he disagreed with himself literally from one post to the next. 

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

 

You should read your own posts sometimes, man.

Trump is literally known for going out and talking to people in places like Butler Pennsylvania, meeting with tons of people and making tons of calls himself. Is he up to anything good? No, but that doesn't mean he's not an effective leader - it just happens to be that he's leading off a cliff. 

Maybe you should stop letting hatred of someone blind you so completely. Use your fucking brain and stop being such emotional zombies.

Trump sucks, he's awful. He's also president for 4 years, unless there's a dramatic shift in congress. 2026 matters quite a bit and if that doesn't work 2028 matters a ton. 

How do you get to 2026 and 2028 to affect change? That should be the all consuming question. Everything between now and then is survival and trying to keep major regression or damage from occuring. 

Right now the only display of leadership is with Bernie and AOC, but AOC is really just a sideshow to Bernie who is a true leader, who was sabotaged by his own team because the Democratic party as it is currently set up is not actually representative of progressive or liberal ideology, It's simply the 2nd political party that shows up on ballots and is controlled by the other rich people who "aren't as bad" 

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Just now, immamac said:

Trump is literally known for going out and talking to people in places like Butler Pennsylvania, meeting with tons of people and making tons of calls himself. Is he up to anything good? No, but that doesn't mean he's not an effective leader - it just happens to be that he's leading off a cliff. 

Maybe you should stop letting hatred of someone blind you so completely. Use your fucking brain and stop being such emotional zombies.

Trump sucks, he's awful. He's also president for 4 years, unless there's a dramatic shift in congress. 2026 matters quite a bit and if that doesn't work 2028 matters a ton. 

How do you get to 2026 and 2028 to affect change? That should be the all consuming question. Everything between now and then is survival and trying to keep major regression or damage from occuring. 

Right now the only display of leadership is with Bernie and AOC, but AOC is really just a sideshow to Bernie who is a true leader, who was sabotaged by his own team because the Democratic party as it is currently set up is not actually representative of progressive or liberal ideology, It's simply the 2nd political party that shows up on ballots and is controlled by the other rich people who "aren't as bad" 

I'm reasonably sure I was one of like three posters here who in 2021 thought Trump had a very good shot at being President again. 

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

I'm reasonably sure I was one of like three posters here who in 2021 thought Trump had a very good shot at being President again. 

Yep, that'd what you got from that post, it's funny because you can't even think because you are so focused on how much you hate trump and how bad it is. 

What if that behavior actually IS the problem? 

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5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


He usually gets what he wants, nobody can deny that.

I will push back hard, however, that this makes him a good leader.

He isn't actually saying he's a good leader, I know that is the word he used but he really means that Trump is effective at getting what he wants and getting people to do what he wants. It is what it is. He's a "good" leader for him, not for anyone else/the country.

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

He isn't actually saying he's a good leader, I know that is the word he used but he really means that Trump is effective at getting what he wants and getting people to do what he wants. It is what it is. He's a "good" leader for him, not for anyone else/the country.

then maybe don't use that word. the english language has a nearly endless supply of nouns. Try manipulator. Perhaps mobster. Bully also comes to mind. If you want to add an adjective, maybe try strong man, although that connotes things about him that aren't true. have fun with it. there's lots of things our president can be called, but a leader is not one of them.

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1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

then maybe don't use that word. the english language has a nearly endless supply of nouns. Try manipulator. Perhaps mobster. Bully also comes to mind. If you want to add an adjective, maybe try strong man, although that connotes things about him that aren't true. have fun with it. there's lots of things our president can be called, but a leader is not one of them.

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5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

then maybe don't use that word. the english language has a nearly endless supply of nouns. Try manipulator. Perhaps mobster. Bully also comes to mind. If you want to add an adjective, maybe try strong man, although that connotes things about him that aren't true. have fun with it. there's lots of things our president can be called, but a leader is not one of them.

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the action of leading a group of people or an organization

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10 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

He isn't actually saying he's a good leader, I know that is the word he used but he really means that Trump is effective at getting what he wants and getting people to do what he wants. It is what it is. He's a "good" leader for him, not for anyone else/the country.

Does he actually get what he wants?

I'm not so sure.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Does he actually get what he wants?

I'm not so sure.

Depends on what it is you think he wants. Adoration, power, money/wealth, conflict, attention, etc.

It is fairly well known as policy and as a politician in general he cares very little. 

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Just now, immamac said:

Depends on what it is you think he wants. Adoration, power, money/wealth, conflict, attention, etc.

It is fairly well known as policy and as a politician in general he cares very little. 

He's TACO for a reason.

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9 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

then maybe don't use that word. the english language has a nearly endless supply of nouns. Try manipulator. Perhaps mobster. Bully also comes to mind. If you want to add an adjective, maybe try strong man, although that connotes things about him that aren't true. have fun with it. there's lots of things our president can be called, but a leader is not one of them.

You're literally demonstrating a lack of understanding of the english language in this post man, I don't know what to tell you. @Pancho is right, Trump is an authoritarian. It's dogshit, but it's still a style of leadership. And he's good at using authoritarianism to lead his dumbass followers around by the nose.

This is the dumbest lib ass shit to argue about.

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Just now, Brian Fantana said:

You're literally demonstrating a lack of understanding of the english language in this post man, I don't know what to tell you. @Pancho is right, Trump is an authoritarian. It's dogshit, but it's still a style of leadership. And he's good at using authoritarianism to lead his dumbass followers around by the nose.

This is the dumbest lib ass shit to argue about.

Good leaders are able to effectively lead those who don't agree with them.

Donald Trump is terrible at that.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

He's TACO for a reason.

What? I'm not saying TACO is 5d chess, but it's definitely a viable strategy to enrich yourself and your buddies and entrench yourself in a position of power. Ultimately even when he loses he wins because of the press coverage etc. I mean look at this thread, completely fucking derailed by a bunch of trump hatred can't even focus on how dems in the Democratic party which this thread is about are completely fucking everything and how they could possibly be better. Instead people want to get into arguments about Trump. This is what he wants, that's what gives him his power. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

What? I'm not saying TACO is 5d chess, but it's definitely a viable strategy to enrich yourself and your buddies and entrench yourself in a position of power. Ultimately even when he loses he wins because of the press coverage etc. I mean look at this thread, completely fucking derailed by a bunch of trump hatred can't even focus on how dems in the Democratic party which this thread is about are completely fucking everything and how they could possibly be better. Instead people want to get into arguments about Trump. This is what he wants, that's what gives him his power. 

Everything he's doing will result in less power for Donald Trump and Republicans in January 2027. 

I'm not sure that's effective leadership. 

 

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Everything he's doing will result in less power for Donald Trump and Republicans in January 2027. 

I'm not sure that's effective leadership. 

 

because it's not leadership at all. being the head of something is not leadership. being the face of something is not leadership. being a blustery fool who coerces people into doing things is not leadership. having kompromat (real or imagined) and blackmailing people into doing what you want is not leadership. it's literally everything but that. but anyway, I'm done on this. we're all dumbasses and our mods are all knowing and we should be grateful for their leadership. lol.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Everything he's doing will result in less power for Donald Trump and Republicans in January 2027. 

Assuming that elections are still a thing a year and change from now.

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In a way, the lack of Dem leadership now is a good thing. The people see how out of touch and worthless current leaders have been and are realizing that they need to take their own action. Let's see how the mass protest on June 14th plays out. 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

In a way, the lack of Dem leadership now is a good thing. The people see how out of touch and worthless current leaders have been and are realizing that they need to take their own action. Let's see how the mass protest on June 14th plays out. 

 

 

 

this is where I am at. it's way too early to get hopped up on one candidate or another. we still have 18 months till the midterms and things could look markedly different - or abysmally worse - by then. I have a feeling someone will emerge that is popular to the right people, enough to at the very least put a pause on this slide into fascism

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Everything he's doing will result in less power for Donald Trump and Republicans in January 2027. 

I'm not sure that's effective leadership. 

 

That's what we were told after the first four years and January 6, but yet here we are today.

Look IMA is right.  Trump is a great leader.  He leads by brute force and authoritarian means and has gotten 98% of the right to walk in line with whatever he desires.  Yes it's only 35% of the country, but that 35% is ride or die.  No one has ever solidified the 35% the way he has.  The first four years to the extent that he had grown ups that would reign in his bullshit, he ran those people off and now has a collection of yes man willing to do his personal bidding. 

He has probably done more damage to our democratic institutions and norms this year than had likely been done to our country in the last 50 years.  Yet still the vast majority of the right will not do anything but exactly what he says.  That is leadership.  Mafia style leadership, but leadership nonetheless.

As a result, he has personally enriched himself and some select few that he wants immensely.  That is all he cares about.  

 

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1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

this is where I am at. it's way too early to get hopped up on one candidate or another. we still have 18 months till the midterms and things could look markedly different - or abysmally worse - by then. I have a feeling someone will emerge that is popular to the right people, enough to at the very least put a pause on this slide into fascism

What frustrates me a bit is a lot of Dem voters' desires to counter Trump with a left version of an individual that can "save" this country. America is obsessed with finding an idol. POTUS should be a steward. We need to run this shit. 

 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

What frustrates me a bit is a lot of Dem voters' desires to counter Trump with a left version of an individual that can "save" this country. America is obsessed with finding an idol. POTUS should be a steward. We need to run this shit. 

 

the bigger question is do we need another tampon-in-president-form ala Biden or someone who actually tries to 180 this? I think we have plenty of the former, I'm not sure who the latter would be.



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