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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

This is the essence of my feelings as well. The (D)'s have been so far up their ass about policy for decades that they never stopped to realize that it's ALL over the average voter's head. They ain't gonna win elections by boring everyone to death and telling them to Pokemon Go to the polls!

The democratic party leadership is so atrophied and calcified in place, it needs to be fucking cleaned out. None of these fucksticks have done anything worth a shit since trump got elected, and have been defecting in small numbers to enable his policy advances.

If I had to boil it down to three commandments:

  1. No more gerontocracy
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      Anyone who has a 2% chance or higher of dying from natural causes or breaking a hip needs to fuck off.

  2. Take full advantage of every opportunity at all times
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      If the conservatives did it, or would do it if given the opportunity, you must do it to them if given the opportunity to the highest possible degree and as broadly as possible.

      When in doubt, err on the side of consolidating as much power as possible and maximizing the partisan impact of your actions.

      No more "reaching across the aisle"

      No more pretending that there's horse trading going on or that any favors will be reciprocated

  3. Class First in all aspects of the game
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      Class First campaigning, which means

      • clear signaling to the working class,
      • listening to the working class and identifying their struggles,
      • pivoting every conversation away from race, religious, and party divisions and towards class by reframing the issue as a symptom of something deeper
      • harnessing "Us against Them" themes (which worked for Trump) to depict a large and popular "Us" (working class) and a smaller, unpopular "Them" (the 1%)

      Class First platform, which means

      • Big promises to the working class that a 7 Year Old could understand
      • Anticipating common objections with short answers

      Class First governing, which means

      • activating the people who put you in office when their help is needed to overcome obstacles that prevent you from delivering your Big promises
      • strictly enforcing laws that were meant to regulate the 1% and to help the working class
      • relaxing enforcement of laws that were meant to inhibit the working class or to benefit the 1%
      • no more enabling fascism
      • amnesty and pardons for working class, nonviolent, non-repeat offenders
      • prosecutions of legitimate public safety threats
      • no more means testing for the programs people need
      • return tax policy to how it was before Reagan

       

       

There's obviously more but I think you'd see dramatic improvement just with those three commandments being obeyed. They need to get serious about getting power, retaining power, and using power in the fleeting moments when they actually wield it. They need to get serious about purging the fucking losers and cowards who taught them how to get walked all over, pushed around, and tricked. It's time we had a party that used GOP tactics to do beneficial things for the people. Voters will reward that, and they do not and will never again reward stupid shit like sportsmanship and civility.

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Posted
14 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is the part that gets me and also exposes every liberal that concern trolls about this shit for the racist ideals they pretend they don't hold.

Like, the dude literally is an African-American. What else is he supposed to call himself? Is there a box for Ugandan-American?

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. This is true for every political candidate who ever walked the Earth.

Hmm. Well.  It’s deeply ironic that you imply I’m masking “racist ideals” when you’re defending an attempt to do a stolen valor on a preferential admission opportunity that existed to mitigate the effects of black African slavery.  
Maybe you shouldn’t get so emotionally invested in the Mayor’s race of a city where you don’t pay rent. 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Cuomo is the definition of what is wrong with democratic party.

Agreed, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. It’s factual that Cuomo is a skilled operator and it’s also factual that he sucks and has disqualified himself.

22 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If I had to boil it down to three commandments:

  1. No more gerontocracy
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      Anyone who has a 2% chance or higher of dying from natural causes or breaking a hip needs to fuck off.

  2. Take full advantage of every opportunity at all times
    •   Hide contents

      If the conservatives did it, or would do it if given the opportunity, you must do it to them if given the opportunity to the highest possible degree and as broadly as possible.

      When in doubt, err on the side of consolidating as much power as possible and maximizing the partisan impact of your actions.

      No more "reaching across the aisle"

      No more pretending that there's horse trading going on or that any favors will be reciprocated

  3. Class First in all aspects of the game
    •   Hide contents

      Class First campaigning, which means

      • clear signaling to the working class,
      • listening to the working class and identifying their struggles,
      • pivoting every conversation away from race, religious, and party divisions and towards class by reframing the issue as a symptom of something deeper
      • harnessing "Us against Them" themes (which worked for Trump) to depict a large and popular "Us" (working class) and a smaller, unpopular "Them" (the 1%)

      Class First platform, which means

      • Big promises to the working class that a 7 Year Old could understand
      • Anticipating common objections with short answers

      Class First governing, which means

      • activating the people who put you in office when their help is needed to overcome obstacles that prevent you from delivering your Big promises
      • strictly enforcing laws that were meant to regulate the 1% and to help the working class
      • relaxing enforcement of laws that were meant to inhibit the working class or to benefit the 1%
      • no more enabling fascism
      • amnesty and pardons for working class, nonviolent, non-repeat offenders
      • prosecutions of legitimate public safety threats
      • no more means testing for the programs people need
      • return tax policy to how it was before Reagan

       

       

There's obviously more but I think you'd see dramatic improvement just with those three commandments being obeyed. They need to get serious about getting power, retaining power, and using power in the fleeting moments when they actually wield it. They need to get serious about purging the fucking losers and cowards who taught them how to get walked all over, pushed around, and tricked. It's time we had a party that used GOP tactics to do beneficial things for the people. Voters will reward that, and they do not and will never again reward stupid shit like sportsmanship and civility.

This is a well-thought out post, particularly #3. 

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51 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Hmm. Well.  It’s deeply ironic that you imply I’m masking “racist ideals” when you’re defending an attempt to do a stolen valor on a preferential admission opportunity that existed to mitigate the effects of black African slavery.  
Maybe you shouldn’t get so emotionally invested in the Mayor’s race of a city where you don’t pay rent. 

Agreed, I have no idea what this guy is talking about. It’s factual that Cuomo is a skilled operator and it’s also factual that he sucks and has disqualified himself.

This is a well-thought out post, particularly #3. 

You'll notice that's precisely the playbook Zohran used, with overwhelming success. Fuck the naysayers.

Posted
1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

If I had to boil it down to three commandments:

  1. No more gerontocracy
    •   Hide contents

      Anyone who has a 2% chance or higher of dying from natural causes or breaking a hip needs to fuck off.

  2. Take full advantage of every opportunity at all times
    •   Hide contents

      If the conservatives did it, or would do it if given the opportunity, you must do it to them if given the opportunity to the highest possible degree and as broadly as possible.

      When in doubt, err on the side of consolidating as much power as possible and maximizing the partisan impact of your actions.

      No more "reaching across the aisle"

      No more pretending that there's horse trading going on or that any favors will be reciprocated

  3. Class First in all aspects of the game
    •   Hide contents

      Class First campaigning, which means

      • clear signaling to the working class,
      • listening to the working class and identifying their struggles,
      • pivoting every conversation away from race, religious, and party divisions and towards class by reframing the issue as a symptom of something deeper
      • harnessing "Us against Them" themes (which worked for Trump) to depict a large and popular "Us" (working class) and a smaller, unpopular "Them" (the 1%)

      Class First platform, which means

      • Big promises to the working class that a 7 Year Old could understand
      • Anticipating common objections with short answers

      Class First governing, which means

      • activating the people who put you in office when their help is needed to overcome obstacles that prevent you from delivering your Big promises
      • strictly enforcing laws that were meant to regulate the 1% and to help the working class
      • relaxing enforcement of laws that were meant to inhibit the working class or to benefit the 1%
      • no more enabling fascism
      • amnesty and pardons for working class, nonviolent, non-repeat offenders
      • prosecutions of legitimate public safety threats
      • no more means testing for the programs people need
      • return tax policy to how it was before Reagan

       

       

There's obviously more but I think you'd see dramatic improvement just with those three commandments being obeyed. They need to get serious about getting power, retaining power, and using power in the fleeting moments when they actually wield it. They need to get serious about purging the fucking losers and cowards who taught them how to get walked all over, pushed around, and tricked. It's time we had a party that used GOP tactics to do beneficial things for the people. Voters will reward that, and they do not and will never again reward stupid shit like sportsmanship and civility.

I'm in full agreement with 3.  Call out the oligarchs and threaten them with guillotines.

Posted
1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Hmm. Well.  It’s deeply ironic that you imply I’m masking “racist ideals” when you’re defending an attempt to do a stolen valor on a preferential admission opportunity that existed to mitigate the effects of black African slavery.  

You literally are being nakedly racist and deliberately obtuse when you say shit like this. This is the worst hill to die on.

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He literally wrote in "Uganda" to make it clear why he was checking the African American box. Bozo is assuming 17/18 year old Mamdami and his family understood American racial classifications just like he does and that's not a reasonable assumption to make.  

I tend to think he's not going to be a good mayor, but I think that because I think it's not really possible to be a GOOD mayor, particularly not in NYC. But this is a ridiculous criticism of him, and as for the critique that he's mostly liked by the laptop class, look at this shit:

How often do you see a Dem politician who looks like they like and care about the people they're running to represent? Even if he ends up struggling as mayor, this shows an understanding of how to connect with voters that most Dem candidates simply do not have.  All the policy knowledge in the world is useless if you can't get people to like you.

 

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41 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You'll notice that's precisely the playbook Zohran used, with overwhelming success. Fuck the naysayers.

My criticism of Zohran is 100% about his approach to housing affordability. His campaign was fantastic. 

28 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You literally are being nakedly racist and deliberately obtuse when you say shit like this. This is the worst hill to die on.

There there

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

My criticism of Zohran is 100% about his approach to housing affordability. His campaign was fantastic. 

Dems cannibalize viable candidate over policy disagreement that general voters won't understand; news at 11!

Shit nobody gets their exact policy implemented, but it's at least an indicator of what they think is important. Dems have been selling out in primaries for the boring wonks and then get smoked by people who are interesting and can actually speak like people

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He literally wrote in "Uganda" to make it clear why he was checking the African American box. Bozo is assuming 17/18 year old Mamdami and his family understood American racial classifications just like he does and that's not a reasonable assumption to make.  

A friend of mine who is a blond, white Afrikaaner and had family involved in the movement to end apartheid before coming to the States would get extremely offended when people suggested that he do that very thing because he thought it would be participating in colonialism. I think you’re unrealistic about what immigrants know. 
 

10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

How often do you see a Dem politician who looks like they like and care about the people they're running to represent? Even if he ends up struggling as mayor, this shows an understanding of how to connect with voters that most Dem candidates simply do not have. 

Yikes. Pretty Mamdani does not look lile the vast majority of those who he would represent or will vote for him. But what’s fascinating to me is that this obsessive interest in racial identity is 180 degrees from his actual campaign and what @chainsaw was saying and what he actually did. 

 

14 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

All the policy knowledge in the world is useless if you can't get people to like you.

Agreed on this, in any case.

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Dems cannibalize viable candidate over policy disagreement that general voters won't understand; news at 11!

Shit nobody gets their exact policy implemented, but it's at least an indicator of what they think is important.

Well I’m not a Democrat but I do consider myself a cobelligerent. That said, he doesn’t have to implement it. That what I said earlier - Mamdani’s “policy” position on housing it just the same old white baby boomer orthodoxy that has been the default setting in big cities for 30 years. Welcome to a time called right now!
In any case I agree that policy doesn’t matter in terms of winning and losing. 

2 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Just win, baby

Amen sister, Amen.

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Posted
38 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yikes. Pretty Mamdani does not look lile the vast majority of those who he would represent or will vote for him.

That's not what I said. I said he looks like he likes and cares about New Yorkers.

Posted
4 hours ago, Captainant said:

This is the essence of my feelings as well. The (D)'s have been so far up their ass about policy for decades that they never stopped to realize that it's ALL over the average voter's head. They ain't gonna win elections by boring everyone to death and telling them to Pokemon Go to the polls!

The democratic party leadership is so atrophied and calcified in place, it needs to be fucking cleaned out. None of these fucksticks have done anything worth a shit since trump got elected, and have been defecting in small numbers to enable his policy advances.

Makes me think they idolize Bill Clinton because he was such a policy wonk.

But that is not why he got elected.  Nor Obama

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35 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

That's not what I said. I said he looks like he likes and cares about New Yorkers.

I wonder why Bozo is so fixated on what he looks like. I mean, I don't really wonder but you know what I mean.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

He literally wrote in "Uganda" to make it clear why he was checking the African American box. Bozo is assuming 17/18 year old Mamdami and his family understood American racial classifications just like he does and that's not a reasonable assumption to make.  

I tend to think he's not going to be a good mayor, but I think that because I think it's not really possible to be a GOOD mayor, particularly not in NYC. But this is a ridiculous criticism of him, and as for the critique that he's mostly liked by the laptop class, look at this shit:

How often do you see a Dem politician who looks like they like and care about the people they're running to represent? Even if he ends up struggling as mayor, this shows an understanding of how to connect with voters that most Dem candidates simply do not have.  All the policy knowledge in the world is useless if you can't get people to like you.

 

Sorry man, I can’t believe paragraph one on this. Whatever else you think, Mandami comes from an extremely privileged and sophisticated family and went to an elite private grammar school in Morningside Heights.  His dad is an academic and professor at Columbia in post-colonial studies. Of all the things in the world the family knew, it was college applications and admissions process and American racial politics. They paid tens of thousands of dollars for a guidance counselor to help them do it! 
 

And that should be ok, it just isn’t a good look to be head in the sand about someone looking to use an affirmative action program that is supposed to be a good thing.  That is exactly why he ticked the box. 

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Posted
12 hours ago, Chopper said:

Some Democrats may be getting a clue (?) TBD

 

It's maddening that it's taken them this long to figure any of this shit out.

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On 7/8/2025 at 12:32 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

A friend of mine who is a blond, white Afrikaaner and had family involved in the movement to end apartheid before coming to the States would get extremely offended when people suggested that he do that very thing because he thought it would be participating in colonialism. I think you’re unrealistic about what immigrants know. 

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22 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Sorry man, I can’t believe paragraph one on this. Whatever else you think, Mandami comes from an extremely privileged and sophisticated family and went to an elite private grammar school in Morningside Heights.  His dad is an academic and professor at Columbia in post-colonial studies. Of all the things in the world the family knew, it was college applications and admissions process and American racial politics. They paid tens of thousands of dollars for a guidance counselor to help them do it! 
 

And that should be ok, it just isn’t a good look to be head in the sand about someone looking to use an affirmative action program that is supposed to be a good thing.  That is exactly why he ticked the box. 

Yeah I don't think you can justify it as some kind of naive mistake.

Where the debate comes in, if any, is how justifiable is it to take advantage of a program, without committing actual fraud or deceit, when you know you don't need it and aren't the intended beneficiary.   People do that all the time with tax breaks. PPP loans, all sorts of shit, without incurring severe moral judgment.

There was a guy in my law school class, an Hispanic Californio, very well off (twin turbo Supra as his grad gift from ND), white, actually Jewish looking and may have been with a German surname, but he could legit check the "Hispanic" or "Mexican-American" or whatever the box was and was getting free tuition to UT Law.

 

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's maddening that it's taken them this long to figure any of this shit out.

Eh, I tend to give most elected officials the benefit of the doubt in regards to the weird chemistry of reflecting the electorates wishes but also trying to lead them.  Incumbent Dems are probably not trying to be naive, but rather there’s been several pre-2025 cycles of polling reinforcing the idea that most of their electorate prefers them to be sensible, bipartisan when appropriate, and to use the institutions to solve problems.  
 

I’m also not sure what norms the electorate is insisting that Democrats break?  More grandstanding on the House floor?  Having zero power at the moment besides a limited ability to draw attention is about all they can do.  
 

I know some of you lefties believe there’s some conspiracy at the party level preventing this, but if the Democrats want to get more attention, they should probably focus on getting better (I.e., younger) messengers.  And that’s also on the voters.  

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There was a guy in my law school class, an Hispanic Californio, very well off (twin turbo Supra as his grad gift from ND), white, actually Jewish looking and may have been with a German surname, but he could legit check the "Hispanic" or "Mexican-American" or whatever the box was and was getting free tuition to UT Law.

I had no idea Brisket looked Jewish.

Not that there is anything wrong with looking Jewish.

Posted
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

It's maddening that it's taken them this long to figure any of this shit out.

Lots of people got rich by deliberately ignoring the obvious.

Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah I don't think you can justify it as some kind of naive mistake.

Where the debate comes in, if any, is how justifiable is it to take advantage of a program, without committing actual fraud or deceit, when you know you don't need it and aren't the intended beneficiary.   People do that all the time with tax breaks. PPP loans, all sorts of shit, without incurring severe moral judgment.

There was a guy in my law school class, an Hispanic Californio, very well off (twin turbo Supra as his grad gift from ND), white, actually Jewish looking and may have been with a German surname, but he could legit check the "Hispanic" or "Mexican-American" or whatever the box was and was getting free tuition to UT Law.

 

I got $1000 per year for being an engineering student who maintained a 3.5 or higher GPA.

I got $5000 per year for being a Hispanic engineering student who maintained a 2.5 or higher GPA.

While my mother had grown up on dirt floors and without indoor plumbing to two Spanish speaking only parents whom she taught English,  she had absolutely busted her ass to fight her way out of poverty using education. She went to school even when her mother told her she was wasting her time bothering to graduate high school. She graduated from UT and owned her own successful business by the time I graduated high school. That lowered expectations Hispanic scholarship I took every year wasn't intended for someone in the upper middle class like I was by that time. But fuck you if you think I wasn't taking it. I have no illusions that I'm the badass in my life story but she certainly was and fuck you again if you think I'm not going to save her $15,000 (I got married before my senior year and paid for that myself).

Everyone has a story. If you qualify and complete the form accurately and honestly and receive the funds then everyone else can mind their own business. How they word it is not your problem. Hell I have no issue with white South Africans applying for African-American scholarships. That's on the awarding entity to clarify. 

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You know how the R's always make up some bullshit then ram it down everyone's throat so often that the rubes and others that don't pay a lot of attention just assume it's true?  Well, the dems need to do the same thing with the Elmo / dotard feud.  Start posting shit to Elmo like "Look, we know you stole the election... hell, everyone with half a brain knows it.  Provide the evidence and testimony that puts dems in control of the House and Senate to a high enough level that we can throw out the dotard and we'll consider not deporting your scummy ass."

Put it on repeat on every major social media app known to man forever.

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

lowered expectations

I don't look at it that way. This is handicapping for risk the same way actuaries do. Of course there are some Latinos who got every material advantage in the world, just like there are some 19 year olds with Corvettes who are defensive and courteous drivers. But in the aggregate, Latinos are facing obstacles their non-Latino peers (again, in the aggregate) are not facing. Being the first to attend college, having to support dependents, having to give more attention to personal and family obligations, that sort of thing.

Plenty of non-Hispanic whites are also in need of handicapping, for reasons other than their whiteness, but when you're engaged in philanthropy I can see where it would make sense to paint with a broad brush.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You know how the R's always make up some bullshit then ram it down everyone's throat so often that the rubes and others that don't pay a lot of attention just assume it's true?  Well, the dems need to do the same thing with the Elmo / dotard feud.  Start posting shit to Elmo like "Look, we know you stole the election... hell, everyone with half a brain knows it.  Provide the evidence and testimony that puts dems in control of the House and Senate to a high enough level that we can throw out the dotard and we'll consider not deporting your scummy ass."

Put it on repeat on every major social media app known to man forever.

Dan Pfieffer and Jen Psaki (homer drool) were talking about the stupid big bill and how they couldn’t understand why the Rs would deliberately go against their constituents’ interests.

 

This shows me they still don’t fully understand what the Rs are doing. They can make up their own reality for their constituents. They know they can straight up lie about what really occurred and they will buy it hook, line, and sinker. Fuck them right in the ass and just say the Dems did it. 
 

It. Fucking. Works. 
 

People are too stupid and lazy to try to learn how shit really works and if you just tell them lies, the majority will believe you. 

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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I got $1000 per year for being an engineering student who maintained a 3.5 or higher GPA.

I got $5000 per year for being a Hispanic engineering student who maintained a 2.5 or higher GPA.

While my mother had grown up on dirt floors and without indoor plumbing to two Spanish speaking only parents whom she taught English,  she had absolutely busted her ass to fight her way out of poverty using education. She went to school even when her mother told her she was wasting her time bothering to graduate high school. She graduated from UT and owned her own successful business by the time I graduated high school. That lowered expectations Hispanic scholarship I took every year wasn't intended for someone in the upper middle class like I was by that time. But fuck you if you think I wasn't taking it. I have no illusions that I'm the badass in my life story but she certainly was and fuck you again if you think I'm not going to save her $15,000 (I got married before my senior year and paid for that myself).

Everyone has a story. If you qualify and complete the form accurately and honestly and receive the funds then everyone else can mind their own business. How they word it is not your problem. Hell I have no issue with white South Africans applying for African-American scholarships. That's on the awarding entity to clarify. 

And that's exactly what I meant about the argument, if any.

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21 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

People are too stupid and lazy to try to learn how shit really works and if you just tell them lies, the majority will believe you. 

And there's a nugget of truth there, too, in that the Big Beautiful Buttfucking and most bills like it are 1000 pages of dense, incomprehensible text that very few outside the CBO fully understand (and even then on a "per-section" type basis).

So you can lie with near impunity because very few can correct you with simple truth.



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