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3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I understand that, but OSU guys submarined the Oline due to our predictability.  Hill whiffed on his tackle.  Defensively, we failed to execute.  Offensively that play was dead in the water.  This notion that you’ll beat strong defenses in situations when they have numbers is a weakness of Sarks.  Teams don’t really do it to us so why should we expect it either.  Some play action, getting on the edge could introduce some hesitation.

I won’t argue with that.  I wish we saw more  misdirection.  This offense was very different from the last two years.  Much more vanilla.  My assumption is that the OL or QB or just entire offense just isn’t there yet to handle some of the stuff he wants to do.  Maybe we’ll see more of it as they have more time to install, teach, correct. 

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2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

I won’t argue with that.  I wish we saw more  misdirection.  This offense was very different from the last two years.  Much more vanilla.  My assumption is that the OL or QB or just entire offense just isn’t there yet to handle some of the stuff he wants to do.  Maybe we’ll see more of it as they have more time to install, teach, correct. 

Well then he better open it up these next three games because they are glorified scrimmages.

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5 minutes ago, victory88 said:

I won’t argue with that.  I wish we saw more  misdirection.  This offense was very different from the last two years.  Much more vanilla.  My assumption is that the OL or QB or just entire offense just isn’t there yet to handle some of the stuff he wants to do.  Maybe we’ll see more of it as they have more time to install, teach, correct. 

If you can't teach your offense to a quarterback who has been in the same system for 3 years with the same coaches, then you aren't capable of winning at a high level. All of the money we have all kicked in is going down the toilet.

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Posted
6 hours ago, BB65 said:

Sark called a very conservative game from the start. It felt like he was afraid to let Arch make plays…

[Snip]
The last two drives when with a chance to win the training wheels came off in desperation , Arch looked better and played more free. He didn’t get the job done but he will learn from it if Sark lets him. 


TRANSLATION:

”When Ohio State went to a prevent defense, Arch felt more comfortable even with Sark’s shitty plays.”

Posted
5 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Ah yes, because we can come out and gun it when our QB was throwing passes in the dirt to start the game and the entire 1st half.  Yeah, that’s what you do when your QB is struggling.  You just gun it!  Wave a want and gun it!  Fuck running the ball to calm him down.  Who would do that.  Good thing the coach that beat us today gunned it with his first year QB to the tune of 120 yards passing.  This fucking board is worse than Texags.  

I’m assuming you’ve watched football.  I’m assuming you’ve seen some no huddle to change game flow.
 

He knows the defense is showing up.  The biggest risk to the defense is an offense that doesn’t produce.  Turnovers themselves aren’t always the issue.

There are things a coach can do to get you in the flow of the game.  Arch had all of 5 incompletions at the half.  5.  That is not many.  There are easy QB throws.  I’m talking those in which there’s not much thinking.  We ran two screens.  They both worked.  The second may have been latter half of the 4th quarter.  It even took awhile to get Arch involved in the run game and apparently there was some reference to the fact that he gets more into the game after that.  As a sonofabitch that played the fucking position at some level, I get that.

 

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The game plan sucked, but Arch blew it today. There were enough opportunities for him to win the game even with a conservative approach.

My biggest question is why did Arch play so damn tight and skittish. He wasn't comfortable out there at all. Feels like mentally he was poorly prepared. 

 

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2 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

If you can't teach your offense to a quarterback who has been in the same system for 3 years with the same coaches, then you aren't capable of winning at a high level. All of the money we have all kicked in is going down the toilet.

We’re running 12 personnel a lot.  So basically it’s 6 new faces out of the 7 that are near the ball.  It’s not just Arch you’re teaching the offense to.  We weren’t running last year’s offense in Quinn’s first year here.  Colt scored a total of 7 points at home against tOSU in his 2nd year under Mack’s offense.  He went on to win at a high level.

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The game plan sucked, but Arch blew it today. There were enough opportunities for him to win the game even with a conservative approach.

My biggest question is why did Arch play so damn tight and skittish. He wasn't comfortable out there at all. Feels like mentally he was poorly prepared. 

Really? Because I think that part is fairly obvious.

- First big start

- On the road

- Against the defending national champions

- Preseason expectations/ranking/hype

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The game plan sucked, but Arch blew it today. There were enough opportunities for him to win the game even with a conservative approach.

My biggest question is why did Arch play so damn tight and skittish. He wasn't comfortable out there at all. Feels like mentally he was poorly prepared. 

 

I didn’t get to watch it on tv, but in person he didn’t look tight or skittish. He looked inaccurate. 

Posted
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Really? Because I think that part is fairly obvious.

- First big start

- On the road

- Against the defending national champions

We had 7 months to prepare. I understand things not going smoothly in this game, but what transpired was way worse.

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Da Fino said:

I didn’t get to watch it on tv, but in person he didn’t look tight or skittish. He looked inaccurate. 

He definitely looked tight and skittish on TV. And that can cause inaccuracy. 

 

Just now, David Dennison said:

Yeah, but I get it. It happens all the time in college football with brand new QBs.

I get that too. But we have Sark and Arch, not bumblebee and bumblefuck. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I’m assuming you’ve watched football.  I’m assuming you’ve seen some no huddle to change game flow.
 

He knows the defense is showing up.  The biggest risk to the defense is an offense that doesn’t produce.  Turnovers themselves aren’t always the issue.

There are things a coach can do to get you in the flow of the game.  Arch had all of 5 incompletions at the half.  5.  That is not many.  There are easy QB throws.  I’m talking those in which there’s not much thinking.  We ran two screens.  They both worked.  The second may have been latter half of the 4th quarter.  It even took awhile to get Arch involved in the run game and apparently there was some reference to the fact that he gets more into the game after that.  As a sonofabitch that played the fucking position at some level, I get that.

 

Yes ofcourse.  Arch had at least 4-5 easy throws on drag routes and out routes I saw him throw into the dirt, throw behind the WR, or rocket it to the WR making it uncatchable.  Not sure what you want sark to do if he can’t make an easy throw.  It was clear he was rattled.  
 

As to your turnover comment… that turnover led to 7 points for tOSU.  I actually would have much preferred us to be conservative, punt it, and pin them back.  In a game like this, the margin for error is very low.  Neither QB was going to light it up.  Every game preview talked about how elite these defenses are and how green the QBs are and the tough situation it would be to face these defenses in their 1st real starts.  So I disagree turnovers aren’t always the issue…. It was huge issue this game.

 

I do agree that he should have called more designed runs to get Arch in the flow of the game to start.  When he started doing that, Arch was clearly more comfortable and the offense was able to move the ball much better.  Sark said as much in his post game press conference.  

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I understand that, but OSU guys submarined the Oline due to our predictability.  Hill whiffed on his tackle.  Defensively, we failed to execute.  Offensively that play was dead in the water.  This notion that you’ll beat strong defenses in situations when they have numbers is a weakness of Sarks.  Teams don’t really do it to us so why should we expect it either.  Some play action, getting on the edge could introduce some hesitation.

If I remember correctly, on the second and goal play where they pulled Hutson, if Arch follows him to edge it’s an easy score. Thought it was weird that Arch just went directly to up the middle. I also don’t know the schematics of the play and if Hutson was supposed to go inside and it threw Arch off. 

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I get that too. But we have Sark and Arch, not bumblebee and bumblefuck. 

Ryan Day, Chip Kelly, and Matt Patricia and the talent on that roster have the potential to make any duo look like bumblebee and bumblefuck.

Today was a good learning experience.

 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, victory88 said:

I won’t argue with that.  I wish we saw more  misdirection.  This offense was very different from the last two years.  Much more vanilla.  My assumption is that the OL or QB or just entire offense just isn’t there yet to handle some of the stuff he wants to do.  Maybe we’ll see more of it as they have more time to install, teach, correct. 

Moore, Wisner, Baxter, Arch, Campbell, Hutson, Neto, Goosby have all been here 3 or 4 years.  Sark has been here 5 years now.  There’s no excuse to not be running whatever you want to be doing.  You aren’t even getting more than 3 years out of the best of the best anyway.

And if people think that this offense is completely different than last year or that the second unit ran something different than the first unit, that’s asinine or piss poor coaching.

And you can absolutely coach the play making out of guys. Based on the A&M, Kentucky, UGA x 2, OSU x 2, it is a reasonable question.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Moore, Wisner, Baxter, Arch, Campbell, Hutson, Neto, Goosby have all been here 3 or 4 years.  Sark has been here 5 years now.  There’s no excuse to not be running whatever you want to be doing.  You aren’t even getting more than 3 years out of the best of the best anyway.

And if people think that this offense is completely different than last year or that the second unit ran something different than the first unit, that’s asinine or piss poor coaching.

And you can absolutely coach the play making out of guys. Based on the A&M, Kentucky, UGA x 2, OSU x 2, it is a reasonable question.

Ohio state returned 3 of their 5 starters on the OL from a national championship team and their 2nd teamers, 2 returning starters at WR (both 1st round picks), and a QB that was in Day’s system for an entire year.  Day has been there 8 years now.   They put up 200 yards and 14 points at home.  
 

Sark has demonstrated anything but piss poor coaching.  Dude was 8 yards and 5 yards away from playing for the national championship and has put more players on the NFL draft the last two years than any other coach.  Dude lost by 1 score to the defending national champs and top 5 team on the road.

 

Criticize his in game decisions but fuck off with some of your comments.  I’m pissed about this loss too but don’t be a dumbass.  This is a damn talented team, with an elite defense, that is going to win a lot of games.  The guy responsible for it is Sark.  

 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

Moore, Wisner, Baxter, Arch, Campbell, Hutson, Neto, Goosby have all been here 3 or 4 years.  Sark has been here 5 years now.  There’s no excuse to not be running whatever you want to be doing.  You aren’t even getting more than 3 years out of the best of the best anyway.

And if people think that this offense is completely different than last year or that the second unit ran something different than the first unit, that’s asinine or piss poor coaching.

And you can absolutely coach the play making out of guys. Based on the A&M, Kentucky, UGA x 2, OSU x 2, it is a reasonable question.

He is only elite offensive play caller when he got 4 1st round level WR on the roster running 5 yards ahead of his opponents.  We should have tried to get a top 5 WR in the portal.

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It would be nice to win one of these big games once in awhile. Sark is now 0-2 vs Ohio State, 0-2 vs UGA, and 0-2 vs Washington. He is piling up wins against teams with inferior talent, but frequently outcoached when the talent gap narrows. Sad. 

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16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Ryan Day, Chip Kelly, and Matt Patricia and the talent on that roster have the potential to make any duo look like bumblebee and bumblefuck.

Today was a good learning experience.

 

Kelly is gone

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Posted
2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

It would be nice to win one of these big games once in awhile. Sark is now 0-2 vs Ohio State, 0-2 vs UGA, and 0-2 vs Washington. He is piling up wins against teams with inferior talent, but frequently outcoached when the talent gap narrows. Sad. 

Why do you think he flamed out of the NFL.

Posted
9 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Yes ofcourse.  Arch had at least 4-5 easy throws on drag routes and out routes I saw him throw into the dirt, throw behind the WR, or rocket it to the WR making it uncatchable.  Not sure what you want sark to do if he can’t make an easy throw.  It was clear he was rattled.  
 

As to your turnover comment… that turnover led to 7 points for tOSU.  I actually would have much preferred us to be conservative, punt it, and pin them back.  In a game like this, the margin for error is very low.  Neither QB was going to light it up.  Every game preview talked about how elite these defenses are and how green the QBs are and the tough situation it would be to face these defenses in their 1st real starts.  So I disagree turnovers aren’t always the issue…. It was huge issue this game.

 

I do agree that he should have called more designed runs to get Arch in the flow of the game to start.  When he started doing that, Arch was clearly more comfortable and the offense was able to move the ball much better.  Sark said as much in his post game press conference.  

They went 68 yards.  If we punt into the end zone, they may well go a whole 12 yards more.  It didn’t set them up in scoring position.  And we ultimately lost because we didn’t score enough.

I am not debating he had some crappy throws.  But go back and watch that Jeremiah Smith 16 yard gain.  His longest of the day.  That’s the shit I’m talking about.  Not a WR running away from you because if that’s supposed to be at 10 yards and somebody’s is running 7, it screws with the QB.  That is less of an issue with a stationary target.  There’s absolutely several instances with Wingo in which it feels a little off.

It also stands to reason that if he’s cautious with Arch running, then he is cautious in the pass game because he’s playing in fear.

Posted (edited)
31 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

He definitely looked tight and skittish on TV. And that can cause inaccuracy. 

 

I get that too. But we have Sark and Arch, not bumblebee and bumblefuck. 

What about Sark’s HC tenure has convinced you that he’s not bumblebee or bumblefuck .  Defense has carried him here. USC?  Washington?

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Posted
28 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Ohio state returned 3 of their 5 starters on the OL from a national championship team and their 2nd teamers, 2 returning starters at WR (both 1st round picks), and a QB that was in Day’s system for an entire year.  Day has been there 8 years now.   They put up 200 yards and 14 points at home.  
 

Sark has demonstrated anything but piss poor coaching.  Dude was 8 yards and 5 yards away from playing for the national championship and has put more players on the NFL draft the last two years than any other coach.  Dude lost by 1 score to the defending national champs and top 5 team on the road.

 

Criticize his in game decisions but fuck off with some of your comments.  I’m pissed about this loss too but don’t be a dumbass.  This is a damn talented team, with an elite defense, that is going to win a lot of games.  The guy responsible for it is Sark.  

 

I fully expect this team to make a run at it all.  He has as good a screen game as I’ve ever seen.  Often when we struggle he goes away from it or rather stays away from it. It’s not the reason but that is an effective way to get some rhythm.

You can get all twisted but I’m not speculating on an install is not fully functional.  That’s your speculation.  I’m saying that’s not the reason and provided you some rationale for that.
 

I don’t expect perfection from a QB.  Quite the opposite.  I expect a handful of poor or mediocre games a season.  The play caller should as well and have contingencies for when those hit.  Things prepared to shift that momentum.

Yes, he’s been at forefront of building this out.  He’s also at the forefront of the offense, and it’s trailed the defense, which was again the case today.  It is the players that execute, but it’s the coaches that often swing the ease of execution one way or the other.  To get over that hump, our chances improve if we shift that ease of execution.

I’d wager today and the way it turned out that it’s better for us in the end.

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Posted
59 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

It would be nice to win one of these big games once in awhile. Sark is now 0-2 vs Ohio State, 0-2 vs UGA, and 0-2 vs Washington. He is piling up wins against teams with inferior talent, but frequently outcoached when the talent gap narrows. Sad. 

See how the season plays out.  This is a playoff team, with some tweaks and more experience, potentially a champion.   It's a team effort and the whole team had some costly mistakes at times.  Everything we saw today is correctible. 

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Well, you better get used to it, because barring a 2010 type collapse, he's gonna be here for awhile.

I don't think that type of collapse is out of the question. I don't see this offense scoring much against anyone in conference play and eventually the defense is just going to tire out. 

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3 minutes ago, LateAughtsHorn said:

I don't think that type of collapse is out of the question. I don't see this offense scoring much against anyone in conference play and eventually the defense is just going to tire out. 

I would be considerably more shocked if that happened this year than I was in 2010.

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I would trust a Texas high school coach over Sark for play calling in the red zone. Sark has proven over and over that he is incapable of calling the right play against top teams in the red zone. Sure Sark might be able to draw em up but he damn sure doesn't know what to call in a tough situation or goal line stand. Time to move on , play calling duties should be taken away 

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4 minutes ago, chitown bevo said:

I would trust a Texas high school coach over Sark for play calling in the red zone. Sark has proven over and over that he is incapable of calling the right play against top teams in the red zone. Sure Sark might be able to draw em up but he damn sure doesn't know what to call in a tough situation or goal line stand. Time to move on , play calling duties should be taken away 

Given up, taken away, whatever it takes.

Posted
8 hours ago, Honeysucklerose said:

Play this on repeat in his office tonight. Idiot.
 

Ok now do % inside the 5. I saw some stat that Sark was 0-48 on 4th downs inside the 5 going back to his days as the Falcons OC. Cant verify the source, just some dude from Twitter but it sounds about right. 

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Posted
15 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I fucking despise Jeff Traylor, but please baby Jesus let the funniest thing happen....

I don't like Trailer either, but I loved the way he used misdirection, redirection, momentum, creating space to take advantage of an aggressive defense and get them out of position. Despite not much talent, UTSA was fun to watch. There was absolutely none of that from Sark. It was like watching GDGD again. It's absurd our OC get's schooled by coaches making 1/10 as much.

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You guys need to understand sark is James Franklin at pedo state at this point. He is a loser who will win nothing but drain your schools finances and fans hope. Yesterday was proof he’s not it. Better than herman and Charlie brain damage. But not even Mack or fisher

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8 hours ago, victory88 said:

Yes ofcourse.  Arch had at least 4-5 easy throws on drag routes and out routes I saw him throw into the dirt, throw behind the WR, or rocket it to the WR making it uncatchable.  Not sure what you want sark to do if he can’t make an easy throw.  It was clear he was rattled.  
 

As to your turnover comment… that turnover led to 7 points for tOSU.  I actually would have much preferred us to be conservative, punt it, and pin them back.  In a game like this, the margin for error is very low.  Neither QB was going to light it up.  Every game preview talked about how elite these defenses are and how green the QBs are and the tough situation it would be to face these defenses in their 1st real starts.  So I disagree turnovers aren’t always the issue…. It was huge issue this game.

 

I do agree that he should have called more designed runs to get Arch in the flow of the game to start.  When he started doing that, Arch was clearly more comfortable and the offense was able to move the ball much better.  Sark said as much in his post game press conference.  

Reminded me a bit of Colt.  He didn't really get going until he got hit on a run.

Posted
18 minutes ago, Aly said:

You guys need to understand sark is James Franklin at pedo state at this point. He is a loser who will win nothing but drain your schools finances and fans hope. Yesterday was proof he’s not it. Better than herman and Charlie brain damage. But not even Mack or fisher

Shut the fuck up

Posted
29 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Shut the fuck up

I know you are mad but 3-10 against the top 12 is Franklin level incompetence. Telling me to shut up does not change that fact

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Whenever we're having red zone issues, we're also having fairly serious execution issues elsewhere with one or more of OL, RB, and QB because of injuries or general incompetence.

We always seem to assume that our talent and execution are as good as teams like OSU, Alabama, and Georgia that have all been doing this, especially high-level recruiting, for quite a bit longer than we have.

Posted
7 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Not Fisher lol. You wanna be taken seriously after saying this?

I can give you fisher since he’s been terrible besides 2013. But he did win something that sark has shown no ability to get close to. Sark is not close to mack though

Posted
10 hours ago, victory88 said:

So who?  Name the OC?  I’d love Chip Kelly but he’s not coming here.  And that motherfucker couldn’t put up more than 10 against Michigan at home last year.  So who else that would be an improvement.  Name them?

Do you think Gus Malzan would have considered coming here? The idea that we could not have found an innovative play caller in the offseason is not a reasonable position. This has been a criticism of sark for a few years now 

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As I think about the gameplan, I wonder why Sark didn’t have a trick play or two for special situations. You go all vanilla against an inferior competition, which OSU was not. Also, OSU has a history of making goalline stops in big games. We should have tried to switch things up from time to time to surprise them.

 

Second, Sark admitted during the postgame presser that Arch was probably one of those players who needed to get hit to get him going. Some of us were saying this in the first half. Why did it take the entire first half for his head coach to realize it? It's nice that he relaizes these fixes after the game, but I wish he could react in-game and make the immediate adjustments.

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My problem with Sark in the red zone is he seems to revert to that prototypical coach we all remember from growing up. he wants a situation where you’ve got good on good and if everyone wins their individual battle, you’re going to get the yard or whatever you need. It’s just really stupid in a situation where talent is so close at each position. We have 25 years now of evidence that in CFB  on a given play scheme can beat talent and he uses that philosophy everywhere on the field, except when he gets down close. and I don’t know if that’s fixable for that guy his 50s.

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Sark needs to take the three NFL offenses he wants to most resemble or that (if his ego is in the way) he thinks most resemble his offense and he needs to take every single play inside the red zone and inside the 5 as well as all of their 4th and go for its and analyze the fuck out of those plays and pick 20 of them. And QB sneaks and TB dives don’t count. 

or realize Texas 4th and go for it analytics are so atrocious the right decision is take the FG and move on. 
 

he’s so fucking infuriating. 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

Second, Sark admitted during the postgame presser that Arch was probably one of those players who needed to get hit to get him going. Some of us were saying this in the first half. Why did it take the entire first half for his head coach to realize it? It's nice that he relaizes these fixes after the game, but I wish he could react in-game and make the immediate adjustments.

This is just Sark trying to deflect blame some.  he hates the QB running(planned or unplanned).  he will call a play every now and then but his MO is for the QB to never run. 

Arch got hit hard on the scramble near the sideline for the first down in the first quarter, it didn't do anything to "get him going".

in the red zone he keeps thinking he has Bama 2010's OL, unfortunately he doesn't.  We need a QB run game with Arch but I'm pretty sure we aren't going to get it.

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6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

This is just Sark trying to deflect blame some.  he hates the QB running(planned or unplanned).  he will call a play every now and then but his MO is for the QB to never run. 

Arch got hit hard on the scramble near the sideline for the first down in the first quarter, it didn't do anything to "get him going".

in the red zone he keeps thinking he has Bama 2010's OL, unfortunately he doesn't.  We need a QB run game with Arch but I'm pretty sure we aren't going to get it.

I thought he played markedly better after he started running a bit. Granted he didn't start playing like a heisman contender but he played better than when he was trying to throw cold. Arch will play better in coming weeks but I am concerned about Sarkisian’s inability to make in-game adjustments.

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