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23 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not just this, it's a business decision on top of that. Gun manufacturers make BANK after mass shootings.

It's depressing that, after a particularly bad mass shooting, even gun nuts think, "Surely, this will be the one that actually causes action, and our unfettered access to guns and ammo will finally be limited. Better stock up!"

Sad that, 1, loading up on ammo is their initial thought, and, 2, that even they're expecting the government to try to do something about it, despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus, dude. He's always been for an assault weapons ban a la mid-90s to mid-aughts.  He didn't change from that.  You're so fucking determined to catch him in a gotcha that you don't even pay attention to facts.  Again, some things never change.  Try to be less thick.

I don’t need to catch him in anything. Aside from a punchline, doubt we’ll ever hear his name again.  Whether he was born to be in it, or otherwise.   

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When wrestling with issue of unchecked gun violence, I am reminded of something called the Naaman Effect. In its abbreviated form , it is when we confer upon ourselves permission to live in a state of misalignment. This is particularly true for those of us who, for a variety of reasons, won’t fully live our convictions regarding the evils of gun violence and our tolerance of it. We know better, but we won’t o do better.  I have to believe that we will eventually be called to a place beyond the Naaman Effect and into a place of alignment that will prompt us to fight gun violence with integrity and without fear.

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When wrestling with issue of unchecked gun violence, I am reminded of something called the Naaman Effect. In its abbreviated form , it is when we confer upon ourselves permission to live in a state of misalignment. This is particularly true for those of us who, for a variety of reasons, won’t fully live our convictions regarding the evils of gun violence and our tolerance of it. We know better, but we won’t o do better.  I have to believe that we will eventually be called to a place beyond the Naaman Effect and into a place of alignment that will prompt us to fight gun violence with integrity and without fear.

We need to reach the Newman Effect….

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Posted
5 hours ago, C-Man said:

It's not his fault that the majority of the electorate in this state is so rock-head stupid or has mastubatory tendencies to all things assault-weapony that he felt he had to tread carefully in order to have a CHANCE at winning an election. This state fucking sucks in many, many ways.

this is correct.

c'est comme ca.

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Doesn't read like a manifesto to me. Few journal rantings of a mentally deranged individual and their schedule. If that shit is real, it is not clear to me why it has been suppressed. Maybe there is something in the others pages that have not leaked.  

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

This is what all the MAGAt/Q-dipshits have been screaming conspiracy over for six months?


They still are.  It's sad that this ONE particular mass shooting has them up in arms but the other 620+ that have occurred this year in the U.S. do not.

 

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I honestly forget with all the mental hoops the stupids have to jump through to to their desired conclusions.  What was the original conspiracy with this particular shooting in Nashville?  Something about the shooter being trans, so therefore unhinged and ineligible to buy assault-style weapons?  Or one of the Kennedy's?  Or Autism?  Or library books?  I sincerely don't remember on this one.

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9 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


They still are.  It's sad that this ONE particular mass shooting has them up in arms but the other 620+ that have occurred this year in the U.S. do not.

 

Why do you think he posted it

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You know, following this shooting, I'd be fine with not allowing trans people to buy assault weapons. And then if we just work our way up with the other offenders not being allowed -- mentally ill, 18-year-olds, incels, 64-year-old millionaires, guys living in Allen, Texas, dudes living in Maine -- we will eventually hit critical mass and no longer have to worry about being in the shadow of a Las Vegas hotel during a concert or being in a 4th grade classroom after the morning awards assembly. 

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28 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

You know, following this shooting, I'd be fine with not allowing trans people to buy assault weapons. And then if we just work our way up with the other offenders not being allowed -- mentally ill, 18-year-olds, incels, 64-year-old millionaires, guys living in Allen, Texas, dudes living in Maine -- we will eventually hit critical mass and no longer have to worry about being in the shadow of a Las Vegas hotel during a concert or being in a 4th grade classroom after the morning awards assembly. 

Maybe we could start the ban with "white guys".

Just spit-balling here.

Signed,

White Guy

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

This is what all the MAGAt/Q-dipshits have been screaming conspiracy over for six months?

And that was fed by refusal to release the "manifesto".  There is nothing I see there that should have been hidden from the public. Maybe there is some other material that warrants, but that does not.  

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Maybe we could start the ban with "white guys".

Just spit-balling here.

Signed,

White Guy

Yes, but think of how much easier it would be to get a ban on trans owning assault weapons. 

"Hey, Texas representative, I want to pass a bill that bans trans folks from..."

"Sold! Great idea. Love it!"

"But I didn't even finish my sentence..."

"You said enough."

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I'd like to be there when Dan Patrick has a bill in front of him that bans transsexuals from using the bathroom/locker room of the sex opposite of the one they were assigned at birth...at a shooting range.  

Posted
2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

And that was fed by refusal to release the "manifesto".  There is nothing I see there that should have been hidden from the public. Maybe there is some other material that warrants, but that does not.  

why does it matter?  i'm done with motives.

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11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

why does it matter?  i'm done with motives.

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

ok.  i agree that data and analytics are important and should be studied.

over the past decade there have been about 6000 "mass shootings".  are we getting closer to understanding motives and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions?  do you think this manifesto will break the case wide open?

 

*mass shooting is defined by 4+ people getting killed or injured excluding the shooter

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6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

If only there were thousands of well-documented manifests, social media postings, message board rants, red flags, clinical diagnoses, worried family/friends calls to caseworkers and law enforcement, printed materials, underlined/highlighted books, subscription records, club memberships, donation histories, fringe group affiliations, extremist messages, audio recordings, video posts, and traceable firearms purchases that we could somehow look to in order to engage in, as you say, "understanding the motives behind mass shootings."  But alas, it's all just lost to time.  I'm sure another 500 or so of these could finally furnish us with the data set that could provide us with some shred of understanding of how these mass shootings get committed.  If only there were some evidentiary proof.  But we may never know.  

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4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

do you think this manifesto will break the case wide open?

I am not sure that it would, but why should we throw any data point out, esp a contemporary one?  

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am not sure that it would, but why should we throw any data point out, esp a contemporary one?  

that wasn't a real question.  thought that was pretty obvious.

any controversy about why and when and if it would get released has absolutely zero to do with finding another data point and everybody with a working brain cell already knows that.

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In a weird way, this reminds me of the John Mulaney bit about how homicide investigations worked before DNA.  

"Hey Lieutenant, we found a pool of the killer's blood leading away from the victim's body.  Must have been some kinda struggle."

"Ewww, gross.  Mop it up.  Now then, back to my hunch..." 

with all we know after thousands of these, it's still...

"I wonder how the suspect managed to kill so many people before the police could arrive on scene."

"I don't know rookie.  I'm busy analyzing this manifesto's handwriting to make sure we're not being duped by some mass conspiracy." 

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if a rabid trumper/white nationalist did this, then it's thoughts and prayers and absolutely the wrong time to talk about legislation how dare you?

if someone from the left did this, then it's a false flag operation to make guns look bad.

i don't need no manifesto to tell me that.

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That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

Whose understanding?
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On 11/7/2023 at 1:44 PM, henrygandorf said:

ok.  i agree that data and analytics are important and should be studied.

over the past decade there have been about 6000 "mass shootings".  are we getting closer to understanding motives and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions?  do you think this manifesto will break the case wide open?

 

*mass shooting is defined by 4+ people getting killed or injured excluding the shooter

Do you have a demo break down on that number? 

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56 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Do you have a demo break down on that number? 

you mean like age, race, religion, that type of thing?  urban vs rural maybe?

i don't know about the injured, but i can tell you about the dead.  before they got shot they were breathing, and after they got shot they stopped.  i can also tell you the number killed under the age of 10 would make your stomach churn.

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

.  i can also tell you the number killed under the age of 10 would make your stomach churn.

Not accurate for the poster in question. They aren't his kids so he dgaf

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Posted
34 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

you mean like age, race, religion, that type of thing?  urban vs rural maybe?

i don't know about the injured, but i can tell you about the dead.  before they got shot they were breathing, and after they got shot they stopped.  i can also tell you the number killed under the age of 10 would make your stomach churn.

Yes. I’m interested in how it aligns to jazz’s suggestion. 

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1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Yes. I’m interested in how it aligns to jazz’s suggestion. 

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i'm not super familiar with your arguments with another person.  are you looking for demographics on the shooters or the victims?

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

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i'm not super familiar with your arguments with another person.  are you looking for demographics on the shooters or the victims?

Shooters.  Victims tend me be all over the place except for the El Paso/synagogue type events. 

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8 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Yes. I’m interested in how it aligns to jazz’s suggestion. 

It's not surprising that my "suggestion" went right over your head.

"White guys" are the majority race/gender demographic.  I'm a white guy.  I want guns off the street.  I'm volunteering/suggesting that white guys be the first to give up their guns, because at this point dipshits like you can't be expected to ever do the right thing, so let's ban 'em all, starting with you and me.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's not surprising that my "suggestion" went right over your head.

"White guys" are the majority race/gender demographic.  I'm a white guy.  I want guns off the street.  I'm volunteering/suggesting that white guys be the first to give up their guns, because at this point dipshits like you can't be expected to ever do the right thing, so let's ban 'em all, starting with you and me.

It didn’t go over my head. And I’m not sure your math adds up. Which is why I asked. 15+ events, yeah white guys.  4+, eh. Maybe not. 

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1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

It didn’t go over my head. And I’m not sure your math adds up. Which is why I asked. 15+ events, yeah white guys.  4+, eh. Maybe not. 

Damn you are dense.  I'm talking about overall population.  59% of Americans are non-Hispanic whites.  Let's assume half are male.  Are you of the opinion that there are any other demographic groups in America with more people than white males?

I want to get as many guns off the streets as possible, tomorrow.  Fuck gun owners.  Ban all guns.  Starting with white males would probably be a pretty good start at getting the most guns gone tomorrow as any.

Is that clear, fatty?

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It didn’t go over my head. And I’m not sure your math adds up. Which is why I asked. 15+ events, yeah white guys.  4+, eh. Maybe not. 

wtf does this mean?

anyway, here is the best i could do, there are a lot of useful stats on here - https://www.theviolenceproject.org/key-findings/

i haven't glossed through other than a cursory glance, but 97% are men, and school shootings are huge majority white.  since the demographic breakdown means literally nothing to me, meaning i'm not on anyone's "side" in this, everyone go crazy.

i do know from other searches that "modern mass shootings" (since the assault weapon ban) skew the numbers, and a lot of these charts go back 60+ years, so you have to put some perspective on things regarding race breakdown, gun access, etc, through the decades of living (or trying to live) in america.

one example:

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Half of the 36 deadliest mass shootings in the last 120 years occurred in the last decade.

so to get the demographics right, you have to concentrate on the last decade, since they've been happening at a much higher rate lately.

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33 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Damn you are dense.  I'm talking about overall population.  59% of Americans are non-Hispanic whites.  Let's assume half are male.  Are you of the opinion that there are any other demographic groups in America with more people than white males?

I want to get as many guns off the streets as possible, tomorrow.  Fuck gun owners.  Ban all guns.  Starting with white males would probably be a pretty good start at getting the most guns gone tomorrow as any.

Is that clear, fatty?

Clear. Thought maybe you were peddling  some Michael Harriot bullshit. 

Luckily, any banning won’t happen in your lifetime. Or mine.  Will be a conversation for generations down the line.  

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8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Clear. Thought maybe you were peddling  some Michael Harriot bullshit. 

Luckily, any banning won’t happen in your lifetime. Or mine.  Will be a conversation for generations down the line.  

It's already happened in your lifetime you twat, and it's going to happen again.  We're coming for all the guns.  All of them.  Fuck you.

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19 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Do you have a demo break down on that number? 

Yeah, 100% of them had guns.

Oh, I suspect you want a racial breakdown...wonder why?

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Posted
8 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's already happened in your lifetime you twat, and it's going to happen again.  We're coming for all the guns.  All of them.  Fuck you.

Lol delusional.   The people just learned a valuable lesson on working with the govt wrt their SBRs. That whole ordeal is going to be undone now in what, 90 days?  Record setting year after year after in new sales.   But yeah, I’m sure it’s all going to turn right around because your pussy hurts.  Good luck. 

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Lol delusional.   The people just learned a valuable lesson on working with the govt wrt their SBRs. That whole ordeal is going to be undone now in what, 90 days?  Record setting year after year after in new sales.   But yeah, I’m sure it’s all going to turn right around because your pussy hurts.  Good luck. 

You have to be the single most dense person on this forum.  You simply don't process any nuance or context.

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In case anyone cares, the race/ethnicity of mass shooters in the US falls right in line with overall race/ethnicity demographics:

Mass shooter race/ethnicity:  non-Hispanic white 60%, black 14%, Hispanic 19%

US race/ethnicity:  non-Hispanic white 59%, black 14%, Hispanic 19%

 

Like I said, start with the white guys.  I'll happily turn in all my guns tomorrow.

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1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

No one is stopping you.  And you haven’t done it because…?

. . . and the joke wrote itself, again.  Think hard.  Really hard.



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