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Miles just announced that the principals of both Carnegie Vanguard High School and HSPVA are going to be placed on the to be fired list. Oh by the way Carnegie Vanguard High School is currently ranked as the 5th best public high school in the state and #35 Nationally according the the US News & World Report rankings. 

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So it would appear Greg Abbott campaigned against his anti-vouchers reps on border security, so we can pay some bubba 328 million dollars in 4 years to run the voucher program.

None of this actually has to be true, but would be possible under the bill, I just need you mad about it and telling everyone you know about it.

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I don't even care about the people involved.  The math sucks and we get fucked, both in the short-term( taxes/ school funding) and long term( educating our populace.)

Everything is a fucking grift.

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2 hours ago, slorch said:

I don't even care about the people involved.  The math sucks and we get fucked, both in the short-term( taxes/ school funding) and long term( educating our populace.)

Everything is a fucking grift.

That we’re actually considering codifying legislation that would help well off parents send their kid to Jesuit is mind boggling boggling.

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On 2/29/2024 at 7:49 PM, BeardIP said:

Proverbs 22:6, my friend.

But yes, the world is littered with good men and women who have wayward children and there wasn't much they could do about it. Tragedy abounds this side of Eden.

Yep. So, killing those lil fuckers was advised.

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I don't even care about the people involved.  The math sucks and we get fucked, both in the short-term( taxes/ school funding) and long term( educating our populace.)
Everything is a fucking grift.

Gee I wonder what political party keeps doing this and which one idiots keep voting for?
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My wife is close to giving up. She went looking for homes in Katy on the weekend. Our daughter was excited, but my wife really dislikes it there.

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10 minutes ago, Nivek said:

My wife is close to giving up. She went looking for homes in Katy on the weekend. Our daughter was excited, but my wife really dislikes it there.

I believe Katy just elected a group of butters to their school board. So look out. 

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33 minutes ago, Nivek said:


Gee I wonder what political party keeps doing this and which one idiots keep voting for?

Wanna go there?  Who cannot convey a more compelling message about education, to the point that the voucher bullshit even gets considered?

But yeah, wave the fucking team colors. That’s so gotdam productive 

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On 2/29/2024 at 7:46 PM, BeardIP said:

Nah, that's not a fair characterization.

I think it's a bad fit to take non-religious (not my words) kids and lie about goals/desires to go to a school that is actively trying to cultivate and maintain an aesthetic and culture of learning and discipleship that the non-religious, at best, finds neutral and ambivalence in, and at worst, is hostile and undermining.

Most Christ-based private schools (and I'll disregard the parochial schools here because I know that there is a big range, some of them are basically public-lite and don't care) have a statement of faith you have to sign (along with some sort of pastor/church references) during enrollment with caveats that say if this changes you should leave the school system, etc.. Actively lying on that seems weird to me.

The other side of the coin is that it's a disservice to the overtly and explicitly stated mission of the school if you have a kid (or, more realistically, parents) who are not interested in a faith based environment and education, as that can create "bad apples" of good kids by virtue of trying to shoehorn them into an environment they are suited for or feel included in, and these can turn into distractions and have the potential to be disruptive. I've seen it once or twice in my many, many years.

Again, it's weird to me to force your kids to be closeted as agnostic/non-religious/atheist but force them to go to a faith-based school with chapel and biblical studies and a huge percentage of the student population be believers. Seems like it would be miserable for the kid. But I guess any port in a storm for the non-religious.

Like I said, doesn't seem like a great fit for either side unless you find a more liberal private school who needs the money in your area.

Which is why I'm 100% against vouchers and why I believe it's whole-heartedly better to fix the public school system so the parents who want their kids to matriculate publicly feel safe and secure in sending their kids to their local school rather than fitting a square peg in a round hole for the detriment of all (most likely).

Aren't most parochial schools generally considered leaps and bounds better than "Christ-based religious schools" both academically and reputationally? I worked with a Jewish guy from Philadelphia who knew every book of the Bible ten times better than my Baylor Alum ass from his time at a parochial school. He joked that most of the Jews in Philadelphia went to these schools and came out better Catholics than the Catholics that went to public school. 

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9 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Aren't most parochial schools generally considered leaps and bounds better than "Christ-based religious schools" both academically and reputationally? I worked with a Jewish guy from Philadelphia who knew every book of the Bible ten times better than my Baylor Alum ass from his time at a parochial school. He joked that most of the Jews in Philadelphia went to these schools and came out better Catholics than the Catholics that went to public school. 

Not if actual academics is your priority. 

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7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Not if actual academics is your priority. 

Really? I would have thought that the big boys in the parochial scene would be considered much more rigorous than the various FREEDOM!!! religious schools.

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2 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

Really? I would have thought that the big boys in the parochial scene would be considered much more rigorous than the various FREEDOM!!! religious schools.

 

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Not if actual academics is your priority. 

Huh?  The higher-end parochials (The Jesuit schools, Episcopal School of Dallas, etc.) have incredibly strong academic reputations for a reason.  Among them being decades/centuries of experience with genuine academic rigor and the like.  Unlike Southwestern Hill Country Freedom Eagle Jesus Gun Liberty Academy, founded 2017.

FTR, I went to a Jesuit school, and my parents' reasoning was damned well the academic quality, not the fact that we had a theology curriculum.    And also FTR, I don't believe that we should divert any public dollars to private schools.  Public schools are a community resource, necessary for both individual and the common good, AND free from the requirement/indoctrination into any faith tradition (I have high praise for Jesuit, but let's not kid ourselves, they damn well tried to make a good Catholic outta me.  In terms of church membership, they failed).

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3 hours ago, Nivek said:

My wife is close to giving up. She went looking for homes in Katy on the weekend. Our daughter was excited, but my wife really dislikes it there.


clear lake ?

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3 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

Really? I would have thought that the big boys in the parochial scene would be considered much more rigorous than the various FREEDOM!!! religious schools.

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Huh?  The higher-end parochials (The Jesuit schools, Episcopal School of Dallas, etc.) have incredibly strong academic reputations for a reason.  Among them being decades/centuries of experience with genuine academic rigor and the like.  Unlike Southwestern Hill Country Freedom Eagle Jesus Gun Liberty Academy, founded 2017.

FTR, I went to a Jesuit school, and my parents' reasoning was damned well the academic quality, not the fact that we had a theology curriculum.    And also FTR, I don't believe that we should divert any public dollars to private schools.  Public schools are a community resource, necessary for both individual and the common good, AND free from the requirement/indoctrination into any faith tradition (I have high praise for Jesuit, but let's not kid ourselves, they damn well tried to make a good Catholic outta me.  In terms of church membership, they failed).

Maybe I misunderstood the OP, but yes they have  much higher standards. I was saying the OP wasn’t actually interested in good academics as his priority. 

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Slorch's example is that freaking weird cognitive conflict that occurs in modern-day GOP voters that I just don't understand one bit. 

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Wanna go there?  Who cannot convey a more compelling message about education, to the point that the voucher bullshit even gets considered?
But yeah, wave the fucking team colors. That’s so gotdam productive 
I know we're on the same side of this fight, but don't accuse the Dems of dropping the ball regarding messaging. You're falling into the both sides suck trap.

There's plenty of compelling messaging from the Dems, it's just falling on deaf ears.

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My wife is close to giving up. She went looking for homes in Katy on the weekend. Our daughter was excited, but my wife really dislikes it there.


clear lake ?
I'm betting Cy Fair ISD.
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lol Aggie haven. I’d guess woodlands but that’s still a lot of Aggie 
I'd still take Woodlands over CyFair... people on that school board don't care what they say out loud.
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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Huh?  The higher-end parochials (The Jesuit schools, Episcopal School of Dallas, etc.) have incredibly strong academic reputations for a reason.  Among them being decades/centuries of experience with genuine academic rigor and the like.  Unlike Southwestern Hill Country Freedom Eagle Jesus Gun Liberty Academy, founded 2017.

FTR, I went to a Jesuit school, and my parents' reasoning was damned well the academic quality, not the fact that we had a theology curriculum.    And also FTR, I don't believe that we should divert any public dollars to private schools.  Public schools are a community resource, necessary for both individual and the common good, AND free from the requirement/indoctrination into any faith tradition (I have high praise for Jesuit, but let's not kid ourselves, they damn well tried to make a good Catholic outta me.  In terms of church membership, they failed).

Hump. You obviously have never heard of billionaire Tim Dunn’s Midland Classical Academy 

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Um.  This is not a coherent response.  The right has been hell bent on privatizing a public service with the intent of pushing that public money to something else, all the while underfunding it.  Let's just look at a small example.  Special education, which can include anything from speech classes, OT, diaper changes, and other services to offer appropriate education to children with other needs.   Texas has an 8.5% special ed funding.  That started in 2004 under Rick Perry, who appointed a new TEA lead (name escapes me at the moment), who created a goal to push the funding down from 10.7% to 8.5% and then celebrated how much fucking money they saved.   So yeah, own this shit if you voted for these people.  Because the school districts all over Texas didn't just magically land on that same fucking figure.   And this rot, isn't simply because of Trump/MAGA crowd, they are just a catalyst. 
For reference, the national average is 15%.   Do you think it is because we are just genetically superior even with all those immigrants and ESL kids?  Or do you think our teachers are just better (that is the lie the TEA guy tried).   Or maybe we are just underfunding it, and making it so fucking difficult for people even if they have a little means.   More on that in the next paragraph.  
Districts and schools are systemically lying to parents on services available, how to apply for them, and who can get them.  This creates time which the districts are encouraged to stall for (I have spoken about this earlier in the thread, including our own experiences).  Once a written request is received they have 45 school days to respond.  And then they get another 30 calendar days to stall for the first ARD meeting.  This might not seem like a lot, but it creates problems where investigations start while the kid is in one grade and then it gets pushed to another without the kid getting the support they needed.  
Let me bring this closer to home.   How many hours a week did you spend with your son doing his work and teaching him the material that is not being effectively taught?  How many hours did you spend per week talking with the school and district just getting them to do what they are fucking supposed to do?   Because some teachers have opted to do nothing but just pass the kid along, meanwhile he isn't learning in their class.   This isn't me rambling on about perovskite or Alcibiades, this is me, taking his lessons on heat transference and breaking it down, demonstrating examples, helping him comprehend the differences, and then relating it back to his classwork and teaching him the terminology.   There are 2 other kids who are getting neglected to some degree because of how severely fucked up the education is for the first kid.   I had to hire an advocate to help us navigate the situation and join parent groups to see how systemic these issues really are.  
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You talk about party, because it does boil down to political parties now.  It used to be that we, or maybe I naively thought, that we used to both want a robust education system which would help our country out in the long term and perpetuate the development of skilled people here.   But I see clearly one political group that has tried to undermine education in a multitude of ways for decades.   And now I get the benefit of seeing how fucked up it is because I have to deal with it.  
Think about what I am really saying.  I might have to leave my home where all my kids have taken their first steps, where my wife and I are happy,  where my kids are happy and have friends and ties simply because the education system in one of the largest cities in the US, with the 5th largest district, in a state with 10s of billions in surplus slush funds, because education is how the right wants to punish us for voting blue.   
So, tell me how I am wrong.  Tell me what I could do better.  Tell me how I should feel.   Tell me this is just in my head.  Tell me I am interpreting it incorrectly.  Tell me there isn't one political party to blame for this.   And tell me if you take any responsibility for causing or supporting it?    
 

Sounds to me like you need to pull harder on your bootstraps. And your kids too - you’re never too young to learn that lesson!
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27 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Um.  This is not a coherent response.  The right has been hell bent on privatizing a public service with the intent of pushing that public money to something else, all the while underfunding it.  Let's just look at a small example.  Special education, which can include anything from speech classes, OT, diaper changes, and other services to offer appropriate education to children with other needs.   Texas has an 8.5% special ed funding.  That started in 2004 under Rick Perry, who appointed a new TEA lead (name escapes me at the moment), who created a goal to push the funding down from 10.7% to 8.5% and then celebrated how much fucking money they saved.   So yeah, own this shit if you voted for these people.  Because the school districts all over Texas didn't just magically land on that same fucking figure.   And this rot, isn't simply because of Trump/MAGA crowd, they are just a catalyst. 

For reference, the national average is 15%.   Do you think it is because we are just genetically superior even with all those immigrants and ESL kids?  Or do you think our teachers are just better (that is the lie the TEA guy tried).   Or maybe we are just underfunding it, and making it so fucking difficult for people even if they have a little means.   More on that in the next paragraph.  

Districts and schools are systemically lying to parents on services available, how to apply for them, and who can get them.  This creates time which the districts are encouraged to stall for (I have spoken about this earlier in the thread, including our own experiences).  Once a written request is received they have 45 school days to respond.  And then they get another 30 calendar days to stall for the first ARD meeting.  This might not seem like a lot, but it creates problems where investigations start while the kid is in one grade and then it gets pushed to another without the kid getting the support they needed.  

Let me bring this closer to home.   How many hours a week did you spend with your son doing his work and teaching him the material that is not being effectively taught?  How many hours did you spend per week talking with the school and district just getting them to do what they are fucking supposed to do?   Because some teachers have opted to do nothing but just pass the kid along, meanwhile he isn't learning in their class.   This isn't me rambling on about perovskite or Alcibiades, this is me, taking his lessons on heat transference and breaking it down, demonstrating examples, helping him comprehend the differences, and then relating it back to his classwork and teaching him the terminology.   There are 2 other kids who are getting neglected to some degree because of how severely fucked up the education is for the first kid.   I had to hire an advocate to help us navigate the situation and join parent groups to see how systemic these issues really are.  

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You talk about party, because it does boil down to political parties now.  It used to be that we, or maybe I naively thought, that we used to both want a robust education system which would help our country out in the long term and perpetuate the development of skilled people here.   But I see clearly one political group that has tried to undermine education in a multitude of ways for decades.   And now I get the benefit of seeing how fucked up it is because I have to deal with it.  

Think about what I am really saying.  I might have to leave my home where all my kids have taken their first steps, where my wife and I are happy,  where my kids are happy and have friends and ties simply because the education system in one of the largest cities in the US, with the 5th largest district, in a state with 10s of billions in surplus slush funds, because education is how the right wants to punish us for voting blue.   

So, tell me how I am wrong.  Tell me what I could do better.  Tell me how I should feel.   Tell me this is just in my head.  Tell me I am interpreting it incorrectly.  Tell me there isn't one political party to blame for this.   And tell me if you take any responsibility for causing or supporting it?    

 

Funding of schools isn’t as simple us us good, them bad. Sic. You know it. I know it.  They know it.


Administration of curriculum isn’t simple either. Again, you either recognize it or live in your illusion.

I get sick of the partisan bullshit, obviously in this case in particular, because  it shouldn’t even be partisan.  Yet it is. We as a society either decide to raise that floor of social mobility or decide to let the underclass rot.  

Fuck that all to hell.

and for the record, I didn’t spend much time administering school work to my kids.  I did observe/ manage their engagement and inspected what we expected.

 

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Funding of schools isn’t as simple us us good, them bad. Sic. You know it. I know it.  They know it.
 

It SHOULDN’T be an “us v them.”…yet here we are. One party/movement has OPENLY declared they want to end public education, and they want to defund it, etc. It SEEMS insane (well, it is), but here we are. The insane has become reality. We need to deal with that reality.
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42 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Sounds to me like you need to pull harder on your bootstraps. And your kids too - you’re never too young to learn that lesson!

It’s fun to take shots at that philosophy; and I have earned that rep, so cool.  That being said, nothing about my outlook/ opinions shared on here about education is rooted in ability or effort.  At least call a fair game, blue.

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22 minutes ago, slorch said:

Funding of schools isn’t as simple us us good, them bad. Sic. You know it. I know it.  They know it.

Actually it is. The leadership of one party spent the entire regular legislative session (and a million special sessions) holding public education funding hostage for school vouchers. 

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


It SHOULDN’T be an “us v them.”…yet here we are. One party/movement has OPENLY declared they want to end public education, and they want to defund it, etc. It SEEMS insane (well, it is), but here we are. The insane has become reality. We need to deal with that reality.

I am saying thee are significant opportunities for countering that position.  It didn’t just come from nothing.  There are causal circumstances.  It is crazy to pretend there are not.

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Well.  Obviously this thread is just for flag waiving.

y’all fucking win.

I hope we all don’t lose.  Guess I just don’t care enough.

(returns to shanty.)

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Funding of schools isn’t as simple us us good, them bad. Sic. You know it. I know it.  They know it.

Administration of curriculum isn’t simple either. Again, you either recognize it or live in your illusion.
I get sick of the partisan bullshit, obviously in this case in particular, because  it shouldn’t even be partisan.  Yet it is. We as a society either decide to raise that floor of social mobility or decide to let the underclass rot.  
Fuck that all to hell.
and for the record, I didn’t spend much time administering school work to my kids.  I did observe/ manage their engagement and inspected what we expected.
 

First, I appreciate the Bob Dole style of communication and i can still hear Dan Ackroyd’s version in my head.

How is it not an “us” vs. “then” when one political party literally started this and keeps running with it. Why do you not see it that way? It is not like there are an army of Republicans running against the education fuckery or speaking out against it? Or running against their own party members to try and help protect and bolster education?

I truly envy that you were able to peek in, set expectations with your kids. I would love to be able to just talk with them here or there and continue to teach them accelerated math. TEA mandated that class sizes were to be fewer than 22 students. My son is in a class of over 40. My 4th grade daughter is in a class of about 30 students and we are lucky another teacher has close to 40 students. How is this allowed? Who is advocating for or against this?
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2 hours ago, slorch said:

Well.  Obviously this thread is just for flag waiving.

y’all fucking win.

I hope we all don’t lose.  Guess I just don’t care enough.

(returns to shanty.)

Refute ONE of the god damn points and stop playing the FUCKING victim for once in your life. It's as plain as fucking day for anyone to see. One party is fucking up public education in this state, and it ain't the Democrats. Open your fucking eyes. You can't bothsides everything, this is a one party fucking issue and it should be obvious to anyone that's paying the slightest attention.

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3 hours ago, Nivek said:

Um.  This is not a coherent response.  The right has been hell bent on privatizing a public service with the intent of pushing that public money to something else, all the while underfunding it.  Let's just look at a small example.  Special education, which can include anything from speech classes, OT, diaper changes, and other services to offer appropriate education to children with other needs.   Texas has an 8.5% special ed funding.  That started in 2004 under Rick Perry, who appointed a new TEA lead (name escapes me at the moment), who created a goal to push the funding down from 10.7% to 8.5% and then celebrated how much fucking money they saved.   So yeah, own this shit if you voted for these people.  Because the school districts all over Texas didn't just magically land on that same fucking figure.   And this rot, isn't simply because of Trump/MAGA crowd, they are just a catalyst. 

For reference, the national average is 15%.   Do you think it is because we are just genetically superior even with all those immigrants and ESL kids?  Or do you think our teachers are just better (that is the lie the TEA guy tried).   Or maybe we are just underfunding it, and making it so fucking difficult for people even if they have a little means.   More on that in the next paragraph.  

Districts and schools are systemically lying to parents on services available, how to apply for them, and who can get them.  This creates time which the districts are encouraged to stall for (I have spoken about this earlier in the thread, including our own experiences).  Once a written request is received they have 45 school days to respond.  And then they get another 30 calendar days to stall for the first ARD meeting.  This might not seem like a lot, but it creates problems where investigations start while the kid is in one grade and then it gets pushed to another without the kid getting the support they needed.  

Let me bring this closer to home.   How many hours a week did you spend with your son doing his work and teaching him the material that is not being effectively taught?  How many hours did you spend per week talking with the school and district just getting them to do what they are fucking supposed to do?   Because some teachers have opted to do nothing but just pass the kid along, meanwhile he isn't learning in their class.   This isn't me rambling on about perovskite or Alcibiades, this is me, taking his lessons on heat transference and breaking it down, demonstrating examples, helping him comprehend the differences, and then relating it back to his classwork and teaching him the terminology.   There are 2 other kids who are getting neglected to some degree because of how severely fucked up the education is for the first kid.   I had to hire an advocate to help us navigate the situation and join parent groups to see how systemic these issues really are.  

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You talk about party, because it does boil down to political parties now.  It used to be that we, or maybe I naively thought, that we used to both want a robust education system which would help our country out in the long term and perpetuate the development of skilled people here.   But I see clearly one political group that has tried to undermine education in a multitude of ways for decades.   And now I get the benefit of seeing how fucked up it is because I have to deal with it.  

Think about what I am really saying.  I might have to leave my home where all my kids have taken their first steps, where my wife and I are happy,  where my kids are happy and have friends and ties simply because the education system in one of the largest cities in the US, with the 5th largest district, in a state with 10s of billions in surplus slush funds, because education is how the right wants to punish us for voting blue.   

So, tell me how I am wrong.  Tell me what I could do better.  Tell me how I should feel.   Tell me this is just in my head.  Tell me I am interpreting it incorrectly.  Tell me there isn't one political party to blame for this.   And tell me if you take any responsibility for causing or supporting it?    

 

This is so fucking true and so fucking depressing. I broke my kids bootstraps pulling them up over and over. I grew up in a world that doesn't resemble what we have now. We keep spiting ourselves despite our kids face. Fuck it is depressing.

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2 hours ago, slorch said:

Well.  Obviously this thread is just for flag waiving.

y’all fucking win.

I hope we all don’t lose.  Guess I just don’t care enough.

(returns to shanty.)

You are a fucking idiot. You are losing now. You are just too stupid to realize it. Talk about flag waving. Jesus christ.

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Indeed we as a society are losing.   Zero argument there, but of course the clowns on here go personal.

'Tis the way.

Motherfuckers,  "We have this cat who agrees that this idea is terrible, but he won't buy in on our fucked up (alleged) solutions either, so fuck this idiot.

 

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5 minutes ago, slorch said:

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Rome burns and your dumbass is clinging to the triggered bullshit. When you finally figure out you're fucked and keep blaming dems and not your terrible decisions, it will be rich but I won't celebrate it. We are all fucked. You're just too stupid to realize it. Slorched!!!

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Just now, HOOKEM4 said:

Rome burns and your dumbass is clinging to the triggered bullshit. When you finally figure out you're fucked and keep blaming dems and not your terrible decisions, it will be rich but I won't celebrate it. We are all fucked. Your just too stupid to realize it. Slorched!!!

You are triggered.

Run around the block or some shit.  and politically, I ain't who you think I be.  But keep responding from your flow chart.

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God damn you're a tool sometimes.

This board is.

 

No fucking doubt.

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11 minutes ago, slorch said:

You are triggered.

Run around the block or some shit.  and politically, I ain't who you think I be.  But keep responding from your flow chart.

This board is.

 

No fucking doubt.

Did you send your children to private school on your own dime?

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15 minutes ago, slorch said:

You are triggered.

Run around the block or some shit.  and politically, I ain't who you think I be.  But keep responding from your flow chart.

This board is.

 

No fucking doubt.

Why do you take criticism of the Texas Republican party as if it's personal criticism of you? Really think on that question.

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Why do you take criticism of the Texas Republican party as if it's personal criticism of you? Really think on that question.

I do not.  They deserve criticism.  Within the context of this thread, they deserve worse than criticism.  I feel their actions are very fucked up and have said so.

Poster went personal and he knows it. It's deliberate.  Don't be all surprised that someone responds though.

 

 

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