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6 minutes ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

I agree all conversations around this require context. We’re not comparing apples to apples here, but the best we can do is compare empirical evidence, because everything else is objective. You could argue we’d be better off this year with 2019 Roschon Johnson at RB instead of one of Jaydon Blue or Quintrevion Wisner. Team is missing a reliable between the tackles runner.

To be honest I don’t really care about depth of targets for comparing this. That data will be included and factored into a QBR rating, and if you look at QBR, you see fluctuations in both. From a purely statistical analysis standpoint, QE hasn’t been kept out of the end zone passing at all the past 2 years. He’s had 2 games where he threw 2 or more INTs. You could argue QE’s turnovers cost us UGA this year and OU last year and that’s it.

From a talent standpoint, I think of potential. Potential is what it is, based off of flashes of brilliance that make us think that player could make plays at that level more consistently, of which QE has yet to accomplish. But he has shown flashes of absolute brilliance, where if he was no worse than 90% of who he was at Michigan all year, he’d be in the Heisman conversation all year and we’d not be spending this time hand wringing and debating. To me this is why QE will still get drafted this year if he goes, just not as high as he would like, but probably higher than we would think.

 

Who is more talented - Vince or Ewers?

I have no doubts Ewers will get drafted.  He might even be great.  Hell I think we’re winning it all this year.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Earlier in this thread I said the first half of Vanderbilt may be the most important half of football for Quinn's career. I am not quiet there for the Kentucky game, but I am close. If Quinn looks like he did in the first half of the Arkansas game, I do not know how you keep sending him out there. 

Jeez, it wasn't that bad. We would have scored two more touchdowns if officials hadn't missed a blatant facemask and PI against us. Not to mention that Gunner might still be running if he had caught that perfect pass he dropped.

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11 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, Sark not adjusting better to that shit arky threw out there on defense really sucked.  Guess having DeAndre getting injured early in that game was part of the problem.  

 

Was it partly Sark's fault?  Fans have been griping that we should have been up 21-0 instead of 10-0. Weren't there plays to be made that just got biffed?

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17 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, Sark not adjusting better to that shit arky threw out there on defense really sucked.  Guess having DeAndre getting injured early in that game was part of the problem.  

 

Sark is very stubborn with his gameplan. He has a QB that is perfect for a 4 wide, get the ball out quick kind of offense but he has to be a couple TDs down before he opens things up. That's his kryptonite. Change. That said, his refusal to run gimmicky offenses IS the reason so many good QB recruits like him. So you take the good with the bad I guess.

 

Just now, CurlyDumps said:

 

Was it partly Sark's fault?  Fans have been griping that we should have been up 21-0 instead of 10-0. Weren't there plays to be made that just got biffed?

There most def were plays that were biffed. But sometimes we make offense hard is all. Spread concepts negate the 3 high look and forces obvious 1v1s.

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18 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Earlier in this thread I said the first half of Vanderbilt may be the most important half of football for Quinn's career. I am not quiet there for the Kentucky game, but I am close. If Quinn looks like he did in the first half of the Arkansas game, I do not know how you keep sending him out there. 

I don't necessarily disagree with the proviso that Kentucky is a much better defense. If he is self sacking, refusing to throw the ball to open receivers, missing badly on deep shots, and generally looking hesitant, yes. But if we have a repeat performance in the sense that we are up 10-0 at half and he has executed what was there for the taking, I will not be unhappy. I'd prefer better obviously, but that depends upon more than just Quinn. 

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9 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't necessarily disagree with the proviso that Kentucky is a much better defense. If he is self sacking, refusing to throw the ball to open receivers, missing badly on deep shots, and generally looking hesitant, yes. But if we have a repeat performance in the sense that we are up 10-0 at half and he has executed what was there for the taking, I will not be unhappy. I'd prefer better obviously, but that depends upon more than just Quinn. 

at some point the eye in the sky (the tape) has to be the barometer. I know Quinn is capable of much better play, but at some pt hope wears out to reality

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There most def were plays that were biffed. But sometimes we make offense hard is all. Spread concepts negate the 3 high look and forces obvious 1v1s.

This is what aggravates me. If the TE aren’t blocking well, stopping sending two of them out there. Go ahead and spread out the field. You have the tools, you have the talent. This bitch is toast.

Not sure why it didn’t quote the whole post of yours. I was talking about the first part.
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1 minute ago, Jkwellborn said:


This is what aggravates me. If the TE aren’t blocking well, stopping sending two of them out there. 

Well, Sark likes Helm's blocking.  This week he literally said having him step up his game made last year's 6-OL package unnecessary.

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, Sark not adjusting better to that shit arky threw out there on defense really sucked.  Guess having DeAndre getting injured early in that game was part of the problem.  

 

Sark's problem has always been that he is not good on the fly. He has to sit down go over things and come up with a way to solve it and he does. Every off season has shown us he knows how to fix things once he has time. He has gotten better on adjustments but without someone that is good at making adjustments at his side like Saban and Carrol that can give tell him he is being out coached and needs to adjust quickly he flounders and sticks to the original plan to long until he realizes it is time to adjust.

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2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

He is impatient, wants to take the big shot, and regularly misses the easy underneath throw for the guy in double coverage.

This was true in his first start vs. ULM. It is decidedly untrue when you look at his second start vs. Mississippi State. 

He learned from his mistakes from the ULM. He absorbed Sark's criticisms and performed MUCH better the next week. It's a big reason why I'm so excited about next year. I am going to post the damn video again, as clearly people forgot or dismiss Arch's performance. Outside of the one throw into the flat that was off the mark (great catch and run by Wingo), this is the best QB game film we've had this year, maybe outside of the Michigan game (where Quinn was excellent but still fairly conservative). This was an ugly game but it absolutely had nothing to do with Arch. He was great. 

 

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4 hours ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

I feel like we’re having some revisionist history on Sam. I loved Sam. He was a great leader and a great Longhorn that bled burnt orange. His battering ram nature had the offense playing at a higher level than without it with a swagger we needed.
 

That said, comparing Sam’s and Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd year stats does not convey Sam was a more consistent passer. Quinn has greatly benefitted from having a better roster around him resulting in more wins on his down games than Sam, but I feel pretty strongly the stats don’t say Sam was a more consistent passer.

Sam 2nd and 3rd year

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Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd Year

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I think what is more frustrating to folks is we know Quinn has more talent, he just doesn’t consistently put it all together. 

Sam had some disastrous unforced errors that cost us a few games

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3 hours ago, GTNY said:

Has anyone seen good film breakdown of why Jaxson Dart was able to put up 515 yards and 6 TDs on Arkansas a week prior to our game but we couldn't? What were they doing differently than us to put up 63 points? Figure some 9.95er has done a breakdown

Problem is ncaa is trending nfl at this point with parity. Each game is its own monster. Just win by 1 or 100. Just win. As fans plus the media we think college football and where is the dominant team that shreds everyone they play. We don’t have one this year including us, so all top teams have bad games or close games that get everyone bitching. We kill Florida who beats lsu but then look average at Arkansas who beat Tennessee who beat Alabama. Treat each game as its own animal and win it and move on is the way. So it won’t always be pretty. We’re gonna beat Kentucky who beat ole miss, so what’s wrong with ole miss. And the beat goes on. 

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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Sark is very stubborn with his gameplan. He has a QB that is perfect for a 4 wide, get the ball out quick kind of offense but he has to be a couple TDs down before he opens things up. That's his kryptonite. Change. That said, his refusal to run gimmicky offenses IS the reason so many good QB recruits like him. So you take the good with the bad I guess

Quinn has struggled from empty sets while at Texas and our backs don’t pass pro very well. 

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So the oline sucks, the RBs suck, Worthy and AD were never good and now Sark is a poor game planner and stubborn?  But trust Sark when it comes to keeping Quinn in games no matter how bad he plays?

Quinn is responsible for all our wins but has no responsibility for his own level of play or raising the level of play of the team he is the leader of?

I'm all for Quinn remaining the starter but all players deserve criticism/critique from the punter to the QB and no spot should be guaranteed.

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8 minutes ago, GTJ1982 said:

So the oline sucks, the RBs suck, Worthy and AD were never good and now Sark is a poor game planner and stubborn?  But trust Sark when it comes to keeping Quinn in games no matter how bad he plays?

Quinn is responsible for all our wins but has no responsibility for his own level of play or raising the level of play of the team he is the leader of?

I'm all for Quinn remaining the starter but all players deserve criticism/critique from the punter to the QB and no spot should be guaranteed.

You’re aggregating individual (highly contested) points into a single statement that nobody has made.

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3 hours ago, D3zii said:

The Insider: Sources tell Horns247 Texas QB Quinn Ewers expected to enter 2025 NFL Draft

 

If thats the case he better get his head out of his ass and make some shit shake

Or maybe just get drafted in second or third round to a good team with a good coach. 
 

I’d imagine him learning for two years and being a solid pro at the next level if he’s in the right situation. 
 

nobody really knows what’s up with Quinn he could be playing more hurt than any of us realize

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3 hours ago, D3zii said:

If thats the case he better get his head out of his ass and make some shit shake

Damn I must be hungry... I read above line

"If thats the case he better get his head out of his ass and make some shiitake"  😎

 

 

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5 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Well that's not any fucking fun!


No shit.

I heard that Arch and all the Mannings are members of the Illuminati.  Arch got exposed to Chemtrails that resulted from the Pentagon's attack on the WTC. He also took the Covid jab, and we know what that means.  The Mannings, of course, cooked up the whole "we landed on the moon" hoax, and killed Paul McCartney. Mind you, this all started after Roswell, when Archie Manning's brother invented 5G.  Now Arch has long Covid from the jab, even though he's never had Covid.  One of the symptoms of long Covid is believing that birds are real. In short, Arch is living in a world that doesn't exist. You want a guy like that leading your team? I don't.

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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This was true in his first start vs. ULM. It is decidedly untrue when you look at his second start vs. Mississippi State. 

He learned from his mistakes from the ULM. He absorbed Sark's criticisms and performed MUCH better the next week. It's a big reason why I'm so excited about next year. I am going to post the damn video again, as clearly people forgot or dismiss Arch's performance. Outside of the one throw into the flat that was off the mark (great catch and run by Wingo), this is the best QB game film we've had this year, maybe outside of the Michigan game (where Quinn was excellent but still fairly conservative). This was an ugly game but it absolutely had nothing to do with Arch. He was great. 

 

He definitely played better. But I'd be cautious about making too many conclusion from MSU. It is the worst defense we have played by a good margin. It is currently ranked 127 in total d. Arkansas at least had some dudes upfront. MSU has nothing on D. 

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16 minutes ago, GTJ1982 said:

So the oline sucks, the RBs suck, Worthy and AD were never good and now Sark is a poor game planner and stubborn?  But trust Sark when it comes to keeping Quinn in games no matter how bad he plays?

Quinn is responsible for all our wins but has no responsibility for his own level of play or raising the level of play of the team he is the leader of?

I'm all for Quinn remaining the starter but all players deserve criticism/critique from the punter to the QB and no spot should be guaranteed.

No one said Worthy and AD were never good. However, if you are watching the NFL the same issues they had here they are having there.

 

7 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:


No shit.

I heard that Arch and all the Mannings are members of the Illuminati.  Arch got exposed to Chemtrails that resulted from the Pentagon's attack on the WTC. He also took the Covid jab, and we know what that means.  The Mannings, of course, cooked up the whole "we landed on the moon" hoax, and killed Paul McCartney. Mind you, this all started after Roswell, when Archie Manning's brother invented 5G.  Now Arch has long Covid from the jab, even though he's never had Covid.  One of the symptoms of long Covid is believing that birds are real. In short, Arch is living in a world that doesn't exist. You want a guy like that leading your team? I don't.

This might be the best post on those whole thread. I spit out my drink. Pos rep!!

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3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

He definitely played better. But I'd be cautious about making too many conclusion from MSU. It is the worst defense we have played by a good margin. It is currently ranked 127 in total d. Arkansas at least had some dudes upfront. MSU has nothing on D. 

MSU looked like us last year and the year before where we struggled getting to the QB no matter what we did. Penix is still throwing footballs in the Sugar Bowl. If only we had this year's pass rush.

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7 hours ago, Derka said:

after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore,

on this note, with Arch taking over next year and with the success our WRs have had under Sark, including transfers like Golden, our WR transfer class should be sick.

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10 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

He definitely played better. But I'd be cautious about making too many conclusion from MSU. It is the worst defense we have played by a good margin. It is currently ranked 127 in total d. Arkansas at least had some dudes upfront. MSU has nothing on D. 

Counterpoint: Arch Manning is really, really good. He learned from mistakes and improved significantly between his 1st and 2nd starts. Which means he's absorbing the instruction from his coaches, worked to get better, and showed it on the field.

Spoiler alert: Arch will be a better QB from Game 1 next year than Quinn has ever been at Texas. 

 

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4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Sark is very stubborn with his gameplan. He has a QB that is perfect for a 4 wide, get the ball out quick kind of offense but he has to be a couple TDs down before he opens things up. That's his kryptonite. Change. That said, his refusal to run gimmicky offenses IS the reason so many good QB recruits like him. So you take the good with the bad I guess.

 

There most def were plays that were biffed. But sometimes we make offense hard is all. Spread concepts negate the 3 high look and forces obvious 1v1s.

I don’t know about this year, but Rod broke down Ewers sack rate while in empty and 4 wide and is was higher than in 12 personal.

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25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Counterpoint: Arch Manning is really, really good. He learned from mistakes and improved significantly between his 1st and 2nd starts. Which means he's absorbing the instruction from his coaches, worked to get better, and showed it on the field.

Spoiler alert: Arch will be a better QB from Game 1 next year than Quinn has ever been at Texas. 

 

But then there is that pesky Georgia tape.

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

But then there is that pesky Georgia tape.

LOL. The game where he got backup reps all week and - in a total panic move by Sark -  was quickly thrown into the fire with a fucked offense after Quinn had to be pulled? Seriously, you're going with that angle?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Zeus said:

nobody really knows what’s up with Quinn he could be playing more hurt than any of us realize

It’s lame how Quinn can still be injured and score like he did against Florida but when he looks how he did against Arkansas it’s because of the injury. 

Sark just has to win and this all goes away. After we win a national championship we can argue in this thread whether Quinn is our version of Stetson Bennett or the second coming of VY.

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6 hours ago, GTNY said:

Has anyone seen good film breakdown of why Jaxson Dart was able to put up 515 yards and 6 TDs on Arkansas a week prior to our game but we couldn't? What were they doing differently than us to put up 63 points? Figure some 9.95er has done a breakdown

Main difference: Ark played a ton of 3-high, Iowa-state style D against us. They played much more mixed against Ole Miss: some of the 3-high, but also some man free (1 safety high, man everywhere else) and a lot more 2-high. The 3-high is Sark’s kryptonite and his main way to beat it is running out of 12 personnel (or in 2022 against ISU, even 3 TEs). Ole Miss punished the 2-high and man coverage. 
 

The other thing relevant to Quinn is that Dart will take chances—early in the game against Ark, he threw into tight windows or against some decent man coverage on go routes and just made good throws. Sark’s offense is designed to produce wide open shots. Watch for contested throws/catches some time—we get the occasional like Golden’s TD catch on the sprint out, but Quinn does not test windows very often, and Sark has appeared to coach him not to. Dart may throw some more INTs than Quinn, but he also gets the payoff when he fits into some tight windows. 

Also, Ark had at least one major coverage bust against Ole Miss but none against us (or none we made them pay for). 
 

My $0.02.

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5 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Who is more talented - Vince or Ewers?

I have no doubts Ewers will get drafted.  He might even be great.  Hell I think we’re winning it all this year.

 

 

This is a pretty simple answer: Vince. I’m not that stupid, man. Running ability, accuracy and decision making improved throughout his career and his deep ball was better than QE.

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9 minutes ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

The other thing relevant to Quinn is that Dart will take chances—early in the game against Ark, he threw into tight windows or against some decent man coverage on go routes and just made good throws. Sark’s offense is designed to produce wide open shots. 

Early in games defenses are seemingly able to guess where Quinn wants to go and jump routes. It seems like an inordinate number of our opening drives end up with picks. Even arch got picked first drive from MSU right? Hell QE’s first throw against Georgia had a LB roll into the passing lane and QE was very lucky because he didn’t see him. 

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55 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

No one said Worthy and AD were never good. However, if you are watching the NFL the same issues they had here they are having there.

 

This might be the best post on those whole thread. I spit out my drink. Pos rep!!

Athletes that played wr, instead of wr’s who are athletes. It seems like a small thing but in reality it’s the difference between Mitchell/worthy and Nabers/thomas jr. I don’t know why that irritates people so much. 

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4 minutes ago, B00M said:

Early in games defenses are seemingly able to guess where Quinn wants to go and jump routes. It seems like an inordinate number of our opening drives end up with picks. Even arch got picked first drive from MSU right? Hell QE’s first throw against Georgia had a LB roll into the passing lane and QE was very lucky because he didn’t see him. 

Same with Vandy. It’s def a weird pattern. I’m not smart enough to know why, though I do believe the RPO and screen emphasis make any QB in this system susceptible to more tipped balls by DL and to LBs getting into lanes. 

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The star of the offense is not anyone player... the star of our offense, what it's designed to be, is Steve Sarkisian with a gaming console. Quinn... Arch... whomever... They are his muse... It's just Sark back there punching buttons deciding where the ball goes and when. Once you accept that, you stop bitching and moaning about QB play and realize HE is the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. It's not about any offensive player on the field. it's about his play calling and how HE reads the defense and where HE wants the ball to go.... The players are just mindless robots.

 

Having said that, last weekend QE had some awful passes... but he was there when it counted. IDC how it looks, i just want us to win out. It could be Ugly McFugly up there screwing up all the dance moves, but as long as we win, I'm fine.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Counterpoint: Arch Manning is really, really good. He learned from mistakes and improved significantly between his 1st and 2nd starts. Which means he's absorbing the instruction from his coaches, worked to get better, and showed it on the field.

Spoiler alert: Arch will be a better QB from Game 1 next year than Quinn has ever been at Texas. 

 

Game 1 next year is at Ohio State. I’d love to see it.

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7 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

The star of the offense is not anyone player... the star of our offense, what it's designed to be, is Steve Sarkisian with a gaming console. Quinn... Arch... whomever... They are his muse... It's just Sark back there punching buttons deciding where the ball goes and when. Once you accept that, you stop bitching and moaning about QB play and realize HE is the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. It's not about any offensive player on the field. it's about his play calling and how HE reads the defense and where HE wants the ball to go.... The players are just mindless robots.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

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I mean is he really that far off? I get that it was somewhat of a satirical post, but we have one of the top few OCs in college football as our HC. Sark makes QE look amazing when when QE is on. Sark makes QE look great on some plays even on QE’s off days. Could not be happier with Sark as our HC with what he’s brought to our program and his redemption story is one of tremendous humility that shapes the way we approach culture within the team. I don’t think there is a single HC in college football I’d take over Sark right now.

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1 hour ago, Llewelyn Moss said:

Also, Ark had at least one major coverage bust against Ole Miss but none against us (or none we made them pay for). 

What would you call the long TD pass?

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36 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

What would you call the long TD pass?

Ark had multiple busts vs Texas. The 1st Golden TD is an obvious one. The swing to Wisner is another, which made me laugh. Sark been killing people with that concept since he came to Texas.. Ole Miss crushed Ark outside the numbers deep, that isn’t something Ewers has shown consistency doing 

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