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On 4/8/2023 at 11:26 AM, atomheartbevo said:

 

We are starting to see that with the LBGTQ folks.  Yeah, Elton John and others have obviously been out there for decades, but it’s hitting the mainstream  where companies are embracing it (witness the blow up over the beer cans), where it’s prominent in some video games, where you have people like Tim Cook who runs the largest tech company in the world, where you have gay characters in the movies and TV shows (and popular TV shows and movies that revolve around such characters).  It’s no longer an isolated thing like Elton John or Paul Lynne or whatever.

 

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On 4/7/2023 at 9:54 AM, horn4life said:

Now let me be clear I am heterosexual.  Always have been, assume I always will be.  I also think that it is silly to think that everyone is exactly like me. So I accept that God has made humans in all shapes and sizes and sexual preferences.  I also know factually that God has created for as long as man has walked the earth some children with both men and women's sex organs, or conversely the lack of full development of either.  Now nothing I have said thus far, can be factually attacked without complete and total disregard for honesty and facts.

But what I do not understand is why is the heterosexuality of Republicans and their children so fragile?  

Now maybe my God made me so much more heterosexual in some way I do not understand compared to my Republican male heterosexual counterparts.  But intuitively this supposition is probably not accurate (despite a lot of numerical data available to support this supposition).  In my instance for example reading a book would not change my heterosexuality.  Seeing a heterosexual sex act would not change my sexuality.  Recognizing that somebody else is not heterosexual would not change my sexuality.  Seeing a woman in man's clothing, nor a man in woman's children would change my sexuality.  Having a man make a pass at me (has happened) would not change my sexuality.  In fact honestly I can't think at anything that would change my sexuality (**life incarceration could, I believe over time condition a different sexuality, but I believe life incarceration could potentially change anything about anyone.  Sexual abuse might also alter ultimate sexuality, or cause enough confusion to alter course is possible as well). 

Now having coached a shit ton of soccer over more than a decade, I can also tell you that many kids wrestle with their sexuality.  I coached more girls later, and some of my most natural athletes later declared they were not heterosexual.  I also remember talking to my 1st grade daughter talking about a boy in her class and calling him a "boy girl." Later he would declare himself homosexual.  But I don't think in either of these examples a book, discussion, observation was the ultimate determiner of their sexuality. Any more than a book, observation or discussion determined my sexuality.  

But the one question I do not have an answer to is, Why do Republicans believe that books, discussions and observations could change their own sexuality?  Have books, discussions and observations previously changed their base sexuality?  Was there some point in their life that they consciously decided they would be heterosexual, rather than homosexual?  Did they flirt with being trans before making this decision after seeing Cabaret?  Did not seeing Cabaret, The Bird Cage or a drag show for example preserve their heterosexuality?  Would seeing a drag show change them to homosexual from heterosexual?

I hate to be so vacuous here and ask so many questions, but none of the examples that Republicans fear will make them and their children not heterosexual is something I would every worry about.  If my kids were gay, I would probably assume it's genetic for example and love them anyhow.  I would also know that it's harder in life to be gay than straight IMHO. But Rather than assume that either the way I raised them, a book, show, discussion or observation had changed their sexuality.  Apparently Republicans believe the opposite? That at least for many Republicans sexuality is something that is fluid, flexible and easily influenced.  And that is something that I simply do not understand. And my heterosexuality could never be changed by such influences. So help me figure this out....

Lost me riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there. 

I think you need to look up "factual." 

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7 hours ago, horn4life said:

But I guess I might be fascinated if indeed books could change my sexuality.  I would endlessly wonder why? Not in a good or bad way.  Just curious as to why a book could change my sexuality? The actual why?

I mean, books/media can serve as a gateway, in that they get you to actually pay attention to the feelings that were already there but were being ignored or subconsciously hidden. 

A Robert Heinlein novel of all things was one of my first queer awakenings, where the feelings the novel made to clear to me were such that I couldn't ignore them or push them away immediately. 

But ofc i was already hella queer. I just didn't know it.

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44 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Fun fact, Timothy Chalamet has a sister who is on some HBO show my wife watches. They make her look as nerdy as possible, but she has just a massive rack. I don't mind it when my wife has it on in the background at all. 

 

Pauline Chalamet on 'The Sex Lives of College Girls' and Finding Her Own  Path – WWD

This show is awesome and there are lots of really hot queer women in it, and the straight women are also really attractive so honestly there's no reason to not watch it unless you're incapable of relating to college-aged women

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2 minutes ago, safe sex said:

A Robert Heinlein novel of all things was one of my first queer awakenings, where the feelings the novel made to clear to me were such that I couldn't ignore them or push them away immediately. 

But ofc i was already hella queer. I just didn't know it.

I find this fascinating, and not unusual among my acquaintances.  I'm pretty sure that almost 60 years into my time on earth, I'm quite straight, but it's always interesting to learn of people's eyes being opened otherwise.

No self-respecting gay man would want anything to do with me, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Lost me riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there. 

I think you need to look up "factual." 

Perhaps I should have said that it is factually accurate that throughout all of history there has been homosexuality.  Even when they masses could not read or be exposed to drag shows... I

was using the "God Made" as a reference to the supposed beliefs of those that are afraid books will change their sexuality. I assume they self identify as "Christians."
 

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8 minutes ago, safe sex said:

This show is awesome and there are lots of really hot queer women in it, and the straight women are also really attractive so honestly there's no reason to not watch it unless you're incapable of relating to college-aged women

Yeah, my wife watches all of Mindy Kaling's stuff. She's a talented writer and creator. That being said, I don't think I could relate to college-aged women when I was a college-aged man. 

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14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I find this fascinating, and not unusual among my acquaintances.  I'm pretty sure that almost 60 years into my time on earth, I'm quite straight, but it's always interesting to learn of people's eyes being opened otherwise.

No self-respecting gay man would want anything to do with me, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

There are plenty of gay men who don't respect themselves, so I feel like you'd do just fine, Jimmy

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17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I find this fascinating, and not unusual among my acquaintances.  I'm pretty sure that almost 60 years into my time on earth, I'm quite straight, but it's always interesting to learn of people's eyes being opened otherwise.

No self-respecting gay man would want anything to do with me, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

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It is a large club, man.  First, the engineer thing….

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On 4/7/2023 at 9:54 AM, horn4life said:

So I accept that God has made humans in all shapes and sizes and sexual preferences.  I also know factually that God has created...

All due respect, you don't know any such thing.  You believe it.

And are we really questioning why people who aren't secure in their straightness are afraid of being exposed to gay things?  I mean, of course they are.  They grew up in a state, a church, and a political party that taught them that being gay was a mortal sin.  A lot of them have been forced to repress their homosexuality, and their lives must be a miserable parade of cognitive dissonance and fear.  This isn't all Republicans, obviously, but a significant percentage of them are afraid of "gay stuff" because they don't want to be caught liking it.

And the rest are just hateful pieces of shit.

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Fun fact, Timothy Chalamet has a sister who is on some HBO show my wife watches. They make her look as nerdy as possible, but she has just a massive rack. I don't mind it when my wife has it on in the background at all. 

 

Pauline Chalamet on 'The Sex Lives of College Girls' and Finding Her Own  Path – WWD

Yep, watched this whole series.  It was funny and had lots of tits.

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On 4/7/2023 at 9:09 AM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Yeah as a gay I spend a lot of time protecting straight men's fragile egos. I've always assumed that there are a whole lot more gay/bi people than ever come out of the closet.  They are fragile because they've long harbored thoughts of wanting to give it a try, or they did give it a try as a teen and they liked it more than they want to admit.  

 

I have (had) a lecture/group discussion about this in my class when we talking about self-concept and communication. Basically, the rise of gay apps allows for more “straight” guys to explore or live their real truth because of it can be 100% anonymous in many ways. Some of the “straights” on those apps go from getting their black blown out by a bbc back home to their wife and kids like it was nothing.

A lot of your frat bros on college campuses are the headless torsos on Grindr regardless of where in America the campus is located. 

 

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15 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I can spot a straight dude in my clinic from a mile away, because he's the only one in the lobby acting like someone who knows they're about to piss dirty on a drug test

that's how you spot straight dudes?  We have like a million other tells besides anticipating failing a drug test.  You should be working for the DEA or as a jury consultant or something.  But you and your damn higher calling to help sick people.  

It really is one of the great ironies of America.  our most "alpha male, man's man" folks are the most fragile when it comes to being inundated with gay stuff impacting their life.  I believe sexuality, like many things, is a spectrum and nobody is on one permanent, concrete end of it on either side.  More than a few people assumed my grad school roommate and I were gay because we were both neat freaks who dressed well and has an aura of culture about us.  I never experimented with physical gay sex but the culture and lifestyle have appealed to me, and I have partied my ass off with some very, very gay men.  I have nothing against it, it's just that I really, really, really love women.  I find a number of men very attractive, but it stops there.  But I'm just absolutely 100% obsessed with ass, like the literal buttocks.  And men have horrible asses.  And most women have some level of nice ass.  That's really it, there's probably a guy out there with a really properly curved and bulbous ass that is playful, yet slightly naughty.  And maybe I'd wanna rub it with hot oils.  I dunno, maybe I'll do the back half of my life gay.  But for now, a woman's ass is the most beautiful display of calculus on our home planet.  

I feel like Cliff in the series finale of "Cheers" sometimes when he talks about everything in life coming down to footwear.  But for me, it's ass.  

OkAY, back on topic.  GOP being scared of homogays coming for their manhood.  I confess I dabbled with social conservatism for a few years between high school and college.  Then by my early to mid 20's, I just realized I didn't give a shit.  I tried feigning outrage and caring, but nothing manifested.  No amount of drag shows, gay porn, and same-sex marriage is gonna change my obsession with the female backside.  If LGBTQ+ folks can find a slice of the joy I feel around my wife's ass, more power to 'em.  Fuck the haters and fuck the hateful legislation.

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1 hour ago, safe sex said:

This show is awesome and there are lots of really hot queer women in it, and the straight women are also really attractive so honestly there's no reason to not watch it unless you're incapable of relating to college-aged women

Being incapable of relating to college-aged women has never stopped me from enjoying really hot women of any persuasion.

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4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

that's how you spot straight dudes?  We have like a million other tells besides anticipating failing a drug test.  You should be working for the DEA or as a jury consultant or something.  But you and your damn higher calling to help sick people.  

It really is one of the great ironies of America.  our most "alpha male, man's man" folks are the most fragile when it comes to being inundated with gay stuff impacting their life.  I believe sexuality, like many things, is a spectrum and nobody is on one permanent, concrete end of it on either side.  More than a few people assumed my grad school roommate and I were gay because we were both neat freaks who dressed well and has an aura of culture about us.  I never experimented with physical gay sex but the culture and lifestyle have appealed to me, and I have partied my ass off with some very, very gay men.  I have nothing against it, it's just that I really, really, really love women.  I find a number of men very attractive, but it stops there.  But I'm just absolutely 100% obsessed with ass, like the literal buttocks.  And men have horrible asses.  And most women have some level of nice ass.  That's really it, there's probably a guy out there with a really properly curved and bulbous ass that is playful, yet slightly naughty.  And maybe I'd wanna rub it with hot oils.  I dunno, maybe I'll do the back half of my life gay.  But for now, a woman's ass is the most beautiful display of calculus on our home planet.  

I feel like Cliff in the series finale of "Cheers" sometimes when he talks about everything in life coming down to footwear.  But for me, it's ass.  

OkAY, back on topic.  GOP being scared of homogays coming for their manhood.  I confess I dabbled with social conservatism for a few years between high school and college.  Then by my early to mid 20's, I just realized I didn't give a shit.  I tried feigning outrage and caring, but nothing manifested.  No amount of drag shows, gay porn, and same-sex marriage is gonna change my obsession with the female backside.  If LGBTQ+ folks can find a slice of the joy I feel around my wife's ass, more power to 'em.  Fuck the haters and fuck the hateful legislation.

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20 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I can spot a straight dude in my clinic from a mile away, because he's the only one in the lobby acting like someone who knows they're about to piss dirty on a drug test

I was told it was wearing black shoes with a brown belt.

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Just now, Beau Vine said:

I was once told (by one of my students) that I didn't dress well enough to be gay.

Same here. I was the one rocking the black shoes with the brown belt.

I did realize I needed help, so a couple months after starting at UT I recruited my best gay friend to take me shopping, and I'd wear whatever he bought. I gave him carte blanche (French for 250 hard-earned 1997 dollars) and we went to some damn mall back when people shopped in malls, with delighted girl pals in tow.

I was given an earth-tone makeover, just short of making it look like I was "foraging for nuts and berries," to compliment my natural je ne sais quoi of yes I stepped in dog shit, no I do not care.

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I'm picturing your 1980's style dressing room fashion montage and you walking out in a new outfit and your gay friend, with his hands over his mouth, saying, "You look like you're foraging for nuts and berries", and you getting all huffy and stomping back into the dressing room.  And if I'm honest, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.

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4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I'm picturing your 1980's style dressing room fashion montage and you walking out in a new outfit and your gay friend, with his hands over his mouth, saying, "You look like you're foraging for nuts and berries", and you getting all huffy and stomping back into the dressing room.  And if I'm honest, I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.

He gave good guidance. A couple of years later, some third party told me I should buy some white jeans, he overheard it, then let it be known that I was NOT to wear white jeans.

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4 minutes ago, safe sex said:

It's more about the straight dude being visibly very uncomfortable, but I am not a narc goddamit.

And we appreciate your discretion. 

Also, we tend to look visibly uncomfortable because whenever we're out in public without our wives/families, there's a good chance we've made some poor choices regarding diet and itinerary and you're seeing us at a time we know we've made horrible choices, are running late, and holding in a violent bowel movement.  

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3 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

There is only a very specific type of person who can wear white jeans.  You either have to be in a band on stage, or treating the world as your gay stage.  If you aren't doing one of those two things, that is a look that can't be pulled off.

Oh to have the body-size of a little twink

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34 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

that's how you spot straight dudes?  We have like a million other tells besides anticipating failing a drug test.  You should be working for the DEA or as a jury consultant or something.  But you and your damn higher calling to help sick people.  

It really is one of the great ironies of America.  our most "alpha male, man's man" folks are the most fragile when it comes to being inundated with gay stuff impacting their life.  I believe sexuality, like many things, is a spectrum and nobody is on one permanent, concrete end of it on either side.  More than a few people assumed my grad school roommate and I were gay because we were both neat freaks who dressed well and has an aura of culture about us.  I never experimented with physical gay sex but the culture and lifestyle have appealed to me, and I have partied my ass off with some very, very gay men.  I have nothing against it, it's just that I really, really, really love women.  I find a number of men very attractive, but it stops there.  But I'm just absolutely 100% obsessed with ass, like the literal buttocks.  And men have horrible asses.  And most women have some level of nice ass.  That's really it, there's probably a guy out there with a really properly curved and bulbous ass that is playful, yet slightly naughty.  And maybe I'd wanna rub it with hot oils.  I dunno, maybe I'll do the back half of my life gay.  But for now, a woman's ass is the most beautiful display of calculus on our home planet.  

I feel like Cliff in the series finale of "Cheers" sometimes when he talks about everything in life coming down to footwear.  But for me, it's ass.  

OkAY, back on topic.  GOP being scared of homogays coming for their manhood.  I confess I dabbled with social conservatism for a few years between high school and college.  Then by my early to mid 20's, I just realized I didn't give a shit.  I tried feigning outrage and caring, but nothing manifested.  No amount of drag shows, gay porn, and same-sex marriage is gonna change my obsession with the female backside.  If LGBTQ+ folks can find a slice of the joy I feel around my wife's ass, more power to 'em.  Fuck the haters and fuck the hateful legislation.

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5 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

There is only a very specific type of person who can wear white jeans.  You either have to be in a band on stage, or treating the world as your gay stage.

And Freddie Mercury said, "Why not both?"

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10 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Oh to have the body-size of a little twink

Girl you know it.  My twink phase sadly happened to me while I was still in the closet and being one of those fragile "straight" guys, so I never got to take advantage of it. Maybe my biggest regret. There was tons and tons of hot ass at UT and I noped my way past every single one of them.  ugh.

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19 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Girl you know it.  My twink phase sadly happened to me while I was still in the closet and being one of those fragile "straight" guys, so I never got to take advantage of it. Maybe my biggest regret. There was tons and tons of hot ass at UT and I noped my way past every single one of them.  ugh.

Internalized homophobia claims another victim :(

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2 hours ago, safe sex said:

A Robert Heinlein novel of all things was one of my first queer awakenings, where the feelings the novel made to clear to me were such that I couldn't ignore them or push them away immediately. 

I like Heinlein a lot, and have all of his books.

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In the late 80's there was a popular dance club in Austin called "The Boathouse".  It leaned heavily gay, but not exclusively so.  My buddy and I went with our girlfriends and one extra (straight) guy friend, and he wore white jeans.  Oh man, he spent the whole night fending off suitors.  We were so straight and naive that none of us had any idea until we showed up and then . . . oh shit, almost every guy there was dressed in white.

"Good luck, Bob.  We're pulling for you."  So to speak.

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7 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Fun fact, Timothy Chalamet has a sister who is on some HBO show my wife watches. They make her look as nerdy as possible, but she had just a massive rack. I don't mind it when my wife has it on in the background at all. 

 

Pauline Chalamet on 'The Sex Lives of College Girls' and Finding Her Own  Path – WWD

I googled. I was sad.

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7 hours ago, safe sex said:

I mean, books/media can serve as a gateway, in that they get you to actually pay attention to the feelings that were already there but were being ignored or subconsciously hidden. 

A Robert Heinlein novel of all things was one of my first queer awakenings, where the feelings the novel made to clear to me were such that I couldn't ignore them or push them away immediately. 

But ofc i was already hella queer. I just didn't know it.

 

7 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I find this fascinating, and not unusual among my acquaintances.  I'm pretty sure that almost 60 years into my time on earth, I'm quite straight, but it's always interesting to learn of people's eyes being opened otherwise.

No self-respecting gay man would want anything to do with me, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

Encyclopedia Britanica. Volume “T” … duh.

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1 hour ago, nbmishoid said:

Wow.  I did not know Britannia had any, uh, exotic content.  My lack of curiosity as a teen was world class. 

Well, one is an Encyclopedia with images and entries of various and vast amounts of information. The other, Britannia, is a symbol or personification of the British Isles. So, uh, lack of curiosity as well as an Encyclopedia confirmed. 

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20 hours ago, YGIFS said:

that's how you spot straight dudes?  We have like a million other tells besides anticipating failing a drug test.  You should be working for the DEA or as a jury consultant or something.  But you and your damn higher calling to help sick people.  

It really is one of the great ironies of America.  our most "alpha male, man's man" folks are the most fragile when it comes to being inundated with gay stuff impacting their life.  I believe sexuality, like many things, is a spectrum and nobody is on one permanent, concrete end of it on either side.  More than a few people assumed my grad school roommate and I were gay because we were both neat freaks who dressed well and has an aura of culture about us.  I never experimented with physical gay sex but the culture and lifestyle have appealed to me, and I have partied my ass off with some very, very gay men.  I have nothing against it, it's just that I really, really, really love women.  I find a number of men very attractive, but it stops there.  But I'm just absolutely 100% obsessed with ass, like the literal buttocks.  And men have horrible asses.  And most women have some level of nice ass.  That's really it, there's probably a guy out there with a really properly curved and bulbous ass that is playful, yet slightly naughty.  And maybe I'd wanna rub it with hot oils.  I dunno, maybe I'll do the back half of my life gay.  But for now, a woman's ass is the most beautiful display of calculus on our home planet.  

I feel like Cliff in the series finale of "Cheers" sometimes when he talks about everything in life coming down to footwear.  But for me, it's ass.  

OkAY, back on topic.  GOP being scared of homogays coming for their manhood.  I confess I dabbled with social conservatism for a few years between high school and college.  Then by my early to mid 20's, I just realized I didn't give a shit.  I tried feigning outrage and caring, but nothing manifested.  No amount of drag shows, gay porn, and same-sex marriage is gonna change my obsession with the female backside.  If LGBTQ+ folks can find a slice of the joy I feel around my wife's ass, more power to 'em.  Fuck the haters and fuck the hateful legislation.

So uh… is this where shaggy asks for pics of the wife?

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Client of mine has always been a repub lean and super anti trans/gay things. His daughter just came out as trans. He’s fucking pissed. Blaming Austin ISD and drag shows and then pissed off his ex wife found an LGBTQ therapist for her/him. Conservatives really think that experiencing a pride parade 1 time really makes a kid gay. Fox News and other conservative echo chambers have hardened his heart in a way that he will just lose the relationship with his kid and possibly experience a kid committing suicide. I hurt for him. I hurt for his kid. Fuck the conservative mindset. Fuck it all

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17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well, one is an Encyclopedia with images and entries of various and vast amounts of information. The other, Britannia, is a symbol or personification of the British Isles. So, uh, lack of curiosity as well as an Encyclopedia confirmed. 

And a third entity is the dreaded spell corrector.   So much for AI. We had the 1959 edition. Green binders.  

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10 minutes ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

Client of mine has always been a repub lean and super anti trans/gay things. His daughter just came out as trans. He’s fucking pissed. Blaming Austin ISD and drag shows and then pissed off his ex wife found an LGBTQ therapist for her/him. Conservatives really think that experiencing a pride parade 1 time really makes a kid gay. Fox News and other conservative echo chambers have hardened his heart in a way that he will just lose the relationship with his kid and possibly experience a kid committing suicide. I hurt for him. I hurt for his kid. Fuck the conservative mindset. Fuck it all

You client sounds like a real piece of shit. I hurt for his kid. Him, I hope he feels every square centimeter of that fucking anguish and rage that he has solely created for himself to suffer. Fuck him. 

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17 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

You have no idea how many Own-The-Libs points that's worth.

You reckon more or less than buying a case of beer just to film yourself throwing it away? 

If we can come up with a consistent point system, there's probably some money to be made off of these fucks.

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