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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Probably because independents like her and me don't want Trump to be president again, but the Dems are currently fucking it up for all of us.

“Independents”. Lulz.

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

“Independents”. Lulz.

Independents = nominate who i want you to and how i want you to, but I won't be part of your party, donate money to your candidates, contribute to volunteering/GOTV

Independents want to be treated like

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

“Independents”. Lulz.

Why? 

You don't believe the middle exists?  Or are you confusing us with undecideds?  

I know I'm voting Dem in this election, but I also know a lot of my friends are sitting this out.

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Just now, Js1 said:

Independents = nominate who i want you to and how i want you to, but I won't be part of your party, donate money to your candidates, contribute to volunteering/GOTV

Independents want to be treated like

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I’m not a party member and don’t want to be. I supported Bernie, still do, but he lost. That’s how it works. Joe won, he’s the guy, get in line.

Just now, DixonHur said:

Why? 

You don't believe the middle exists?  Or are you confusing us with undecideds?  

I know I'm voting Dem in this election, but I also know a lot of my friends are sitting this out.

Sitting out doesn’t make you an independent, it makes you a moron in the current times.

Posted
6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Why do you feel entitled to tell the Democratic Party who their nominee should be if you aren't even a Democrat?  Or that the Democratic Party should listen to your open convention idea if, again, you're not part of the party.

This is Nicole being Bernie - I am not going to be part of your party, but placate what I want!!!!! 

Dems white knighting their party against centrist, middle of the road voters who are begging for someone to have faith in is a sure path to victory.  I wish Eisenhower had been smart enough to tell Canada and Britain to fuck off in the lead up to D-Day…

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Independents = nominate who i want you to and how i want you to, but I won't be part of your party, donate money to your candidates, contribute to volunteering/GOTV

Independents want to be treated like

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Cool, cool.  If you don't want us, we'll just sit this one out.  Have fun living under fascism. 

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Sitting out doesn’t make you an independent, it makes you a moron in the current times.

You're assuming that we'll fare poorly under a 2nd Trump presidency.

I'd prefer Trump lose, but if he wins, I'll be fine.

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Cool, cool.  If you don't want us, we'll just sit this one out.  Have fun living under fascism. 

Yeah, y'all stop being such meanie-pants or he'll have no choice but to vote for Trump. 

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Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

You're assuming that we'll fare poorly under a 2nd Trump presidency.

I'd prefer Trump lose, but if he wins, I'll be fine.

“Independents”. Lulz. The most bitchmade of bitchmade

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Ah, for the halcyon days of Joe vs Bernie vs Elizabeth.

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

You're assuming that we'll fare poorly under a 2nd Trump presidency.

I'd prefer Trump lose, but if he wins, I'll be fine.

Wait, what?  You've perused those Project 2025 talking points and you think things will be OK, even if just for you?

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4 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Dems white knighting their party against centrist, middle of the road voters who are begging for someone to have faith in is a sure path to victory.  I wish Eisenhower had been smart enough to tell Canada and Britain to fuck off in the lead up to D-Day…

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Or maybe Dems shouldn’t give a fuck about what a bunch of republicans, I mean independents think. The independents they should be courting are not the people like Dixon. 
Im sure Dixon and his independent friends would line up to vote Kamala.

Posted
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Wait, what?  You've perused those Project 2025 talking points and you think things will be OK, even if just for you?

Sure. Didn't you hear about overtime? Once Trump gets rid of those onerous overtime payment laws, corporations are going to start spending money to make sure their employees have free child care, paid maternity/paternity leave, top-of-the-line health care, and a water park on site to enjoy during lunch breaks.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Sitting out doesn’t make you an independent, it makes you a moron in the current times.

Depends on the State.  My vote is completely worthless in Louisiana… now if I lived in PA, GA, AZ, FL, OH, WI or Michigan then sitting out would be idiotic.

But thanks to the Electoral College and arbitrary geography determining the value of my ballot, I can abstain completely guilt free!  Perhaps it’s our entire system of choosing a leader that is the real moron here. 

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26 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I wonder what it would be like if we had more skin in the game. Have the conventions earlier in the year like April when nothing is really happening. Have an open convention with 5-6 candidates. Many people feel like the primaries don’t get it done. I don’t know.
 

But this drip drip drip drip attack against Biden can only mean one thing: no one from up high is telling them to stop and get behind Biden so it means more drip drip drip until he steps down. Jmo. But I don’t know shit about shit. 

You say "drip" a lot for somebody who watches the last water droplets secrete from a person's mouth as they sink to the bottom of Town Lake ;)      But I get your point, it's valid. 

9 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Why? 

You don't believe the middle exists?  Or are you confusing us with undecideds?  

I know I'm voting Dem in this election, but I also know a lot of my friends are sitting this out.

There is absolutely a moderate/middle America.  But it doesn't grab headlines, it's not sexy, and you can't raise money from it.  So nobody gives a shit.  

But yes, we need to retire the term "undecideds."  They're not Undecided, they just don't vote.  That's a difference of tremendous significance.  Over 100 million Americans 18+ didn't vote in 2020.  They weren't "undecided", they were just not participating.  This fucking delusion that 100mm people still have votes there for the taking is fucking moronic, naive, and insulting to the rest of us---even those that vote for Trump.  You can be a moderate, and spread your votes around both major parties, even some third parties.  I have no fucking idea how to vote in NHL All-Star game.  Doesn't make me "Undecided", it makes me a non-participant.  I can be moderate on it, "Well I grew up a Blackhawks fan, but this Red Wings defenseman deserves to get into the game."  

Yes, there are 9 people that will decide on Election Day morning, after actually stewing over it before bed, whom to vote for that day in Pittsburgh and Green Bay.  But there are literally 100mm eligible voters in this country that are not "undecided", they are in fact "decided."  They've decided to stay home, they always have and they always will.  The trick Trump pulled was pulling off 20mm of 'em 8 years ago to validate them.  Otherwise, they're a a lost cause.  Yeah, let's trot Joe out there and spend $50mm in ad buys to convince 75mm adults who've never once voted in their life that his infrastructure bill was a great idea.  they're decidedly disengaged because it's easier.  Say you want about MAGA dipshit nation, they know how to fill out a fucking voter registration card.  Meanwhile we got between 75-100mm American adults who look at the shitshow around us and think, "Well, I probably should pay more attention but I have a Wal-Mart curbside order to pickup that day."  

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Posted
3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Ah, for the halcyon days of Joe vs Bernie vs Elizabeth.

Wait, what?  You've perused those Project 2025 talking points and you think things will be OK, even if just for you?

Which talking points do you think a 53 yo, white, straight, cis, land-owning, male with enough money to retire overseas tomorrow should worry about?

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Or maybe Dems shouldn’t give a fuck about what a bunch of republicans, I mean independents think. The independents they should be courting are not the people like Dixon. 
Im sure Dixon and his independent friends would line up to vote Kamala.

Nope.  Gretchen.  

Again, if for no other reason, take me out of the equation because I live in Texas, but if you don't want input from independents then that's fine.  Good luck and godspeed.  

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12 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Cool, cool.  If you don't want us, we'll just sit this one out.  Have fun living under fascism. 

I mean, if you make the choice to sit out, no I don’t really want you. Because it means you don’t care and you wouldn’t be upset if Trump won.

Im tired of the “if you don’t placate me, im sitting out”

You’re toddlers who don’t understand politics. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Which talking points do you think a 53 yo, white, straight, cis, land-owning, male with enough money to retire overseas tomorrow should worry about?

Do you care about anyone but yourself?

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Posted
Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Do you care about anyone but yourself?

They just want to bitch. They don’t care 

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Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Which talking points do you think a 53 yo, white, straight, cis, land-owning, male with enough money to retire overseas tomorrow should worry about?

Nope.  Gretchen.  

Again, if for no other reason, take me out of the equation because I live in Texas, but if you don't want input from independents then that's fine.  Good luck and godspeed.  

Thank you for proving the point that independents are exactly what @Js1 said they are. Do it their way only or they take their ball and go home.

“Independents” are not serious people. But then again, they aren’t really independent either.

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4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Which talking points do you think a 53 yo, white, straight, cis, land-owning, male with enough money to retire overseas tomorrow should worry about?

Nope.  Gretchen.  

Again, if for no other reason, take me out of the equation because I live in Texas, but if you don't want input from independents then that's fine.  Good luck and godspeed.  

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I mean, if you make the choice to sit out, no I don’t really want you. Because it means you don’t care and you wouldn’t be upset if Trump won.

Im tired of the “if you don’t placate me, im sitting out”

You’re toddlers who don’t understand politics. 

Exactly. 

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I get my wishlist isn’t ever going to happen. 
 

I am just telling you what I am seeing:

Dem after dem telling Biden to step down. No one is telling them to stop and get in line. $90 million is being frozen. Jeffries didn’t offer his endorsement. Pelosi and Obama have had several meetings about what to do. 
 

it has the look that this drip drip drip will continue or even get more pronounced until he drops out. Do I think that’s fair? No. But I’m not the higher ups. They are the ones pummeling Biden right now and allowing it. They are allowing it. And sanctioning it is what it looks like to me. 
 

I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s sad. I’m never voting Trump. Whatever soul I still have in me won’t allow it. I’m voting for whoever comes out of this Democratic convention. But it’s looking less and less likely that it will be Biden. 
 

be mad at me all you want I guess but if the higher ups wanted people to get in line behind Biden they would make it happen. They have not. So I have to assume whoever we are voting for is not going to be Biden. It might or might not be Kamala. If they go crazy and have an open convention. 

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

I get my wishlist isn’t ever going to happen. 
 

I am just telling you what I am seeing:

Dem after dem telling Biden to step down. No one is telling them to stop and get in line. $90 million is being frozen. Jeffries didn’t offer his endorsement. Pelosi and Obama have had several meetings about what to do. 
 

it has the look that this drip drip drip will continue or even get more pronounced until he drops out. Do I think that’s fair? No. But I’m not the higher ups. They are the ones pummeling Biden right now and allowing it. They are allowing it. And sanctioning it is what it looks like to me. 
 

I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s sad. I’m never voting Trump. Whatever soul I still have in me won’t allow it. I’m voting for whoever comes out of this Democratic convention. But it’s looking less and less likely that it will be Biden. 
 

be mad at me all you want I guess but if the higher ups wanted people to get in line behind Biden they would make it happen. They have not. So I have to assume whoever we are voting for is not going to be Biden. It might or might not be Kamala. If they go crazy and have an open convention. 

What’s the current bag limit on messengers, Dems?

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I’m not a party member and don’t want to be. I supported Bernie, still do, but he lost. That’s how it works. Joe won, he’s the guy, get in line.

Sitting out doesn’t make you an independent, it makes you a moron in the current times.

Your disdain and condescension for Independents and undecided voters is the exact reason why Democrats lose elections. Being an asshole screaming in people’s faces to get in line and vote for Biden to save democracy turns voters off of voting for Biden, even if they hate Trump.

People are more inclined to do something if you appeal to their interests instead of calling them stupid for not making an obvious choice to vote for Joe Biden over Russia-backed Trump. A vote is a vote so if you can’t even be bothered to throw breadcrumbs at any potential voters because you prefer to shove it down their throats and say that democracy will end if you don’t eat it, you should expect a lot of people who choose to starve even if it is the worst choice they can make. 

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That’s disrespectful and unacceptable.  If he wants to be the leader of the party then lead the party,

1) he should be on time, but he does have a pretty important job.

2) Levin has no business “telling” the president to step aside. He won the votes. Period.

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4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

A vote is a vote so if you can’t even be bothered to throw breadcrumbs at any potential voters because you prefer to shove it down their throats and say that democracy will end if you don’t eat it, you should expect a lot of people who choose to starve even if it is the worst choice they can make. 

If two bad candidates that no one wants are shoved down independent's throats, do they even live in a democracy?

I'm guessing they probably wind up doing their own research to find the answer on YouTube.

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10 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Your disdain and condescension for Independents and undecided voters is the exact reason why Democrats lose elections. Being an asshole screaming in people’s faces to get in line and vote for Biden to save democracy turns voters off of voting for Biden, even if they hate Trump.

People are more inclined to do something if you appeal to their interests instead of calling them stupid for not making an obvious choice to vote for Joe Biden over Russia-backed Trump. A vote is a vote so if you can’t even be bothered to throw breadcrumbs at any potential voters because you prefer to shove it down their throats and say that democracy will end if you don’t eat it, you should expect a lot of people who choose to starve even if it is the worst choice they can make. 

My disdain is for people who try to tell a party that they don’t support or regularly vote for who they should nominate. People who didn’t vote in the democratic primaries saying the Dems should tell their own voters to fuck off.

Anyone who is turned off by someone telling them to vote for Biden to save democracy is either a trumper, a republican, or won’t be voting anyway.

Appeal to their interests? The ones that only they care about? They aren’t asking for breadcrumbs. They are asking to own the bakery. The one they have no actual stakes in helping build. The independents on this thread are telling us they will only vote for their preferred candidate or their pet project. You can’t appeal to those people in any real way. You certainly can’t base your decisions on them. 

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3 minutes ago, Goredho said:

If two bad candidates that no one wants are shoved down independent's throats, do they even live in a democracy?

I'm guessing they probably wind up doing their own research to find the answer on YouTube.

Here's the deal. A whole lot of people do want those candidates.

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1 minute ago, Goredho said:

You can certainly base your loss on them.

Please lay out the solution to getting these independents to vote? They aren’t going to suddenly fall in line behind Kamala, we know this because they’ve told us. 

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13 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Your disdain and condescension for Independents and undecided voters is the exact reason why Democrats lose elections. Being an asshole screaming in people’s faces to get in line and vote for Biden to save democracy turns voters off of voting for Biden, even if they hate Trump.

People are more inclined to do something if you appeal to their interests instead of calling them stupid for not making an obvious choice to vote for Joe Biden over Russia-backed Trump. A vote is a vote so if you can’t even be bothered to throw breadcrumbs at any potential voters because you prefer to shove it down their throats and say that democracy will end if you don’t eat it, you should expect a lot of people who choose to starve even if it is the worst choice they can make. 

Democrats lose presidential elections because our constitutional method for choosing a chief executive is dumb as fuck.

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Posted
34 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do you care about anyone but yourself?

Of course, but you specifically asked, "even if just for you?"

So that's the question I was responding to.

Posted
4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Here's the deal. A whole lot of people do want those candidates.

And those candidates would turn off a whole bunch of Biden voters.

The way I see it, the Dem platform should be "beat Donald Trump".  I don't necessarily think it should play out that way in every election, but in this election, those are the key talking points.  Well, one talking point.

But I'll be damned if I'm going to give a lot of creedence to people who don't work to build party unity stomping their feet and saying "if you don't appease us we won't vote for your guy".  That's Bernie Bro shit all over again and it is wholly counterproductive to the solving the problem at hand.

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34 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Thank you for proving the point that independents are exactly what @Js1 said they are. Do it their way only or they take their ball and go home.

“Independents” are not serious people. But then again, they aren’t really independent either.

Um, so how are the Dems and GOP any different?

Lol, at the second part.  We don't agree with you so clearly you aren't serious.  

You guys are pretty funny, I'll give you that.

Posted
6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Here's the deal. A whole lot of people do want those candidates.

And in politics, you don’t always get what you want. But the outcome of a Biden win >>>> the outcome of a Trump win.

Hold your nose, suck it up and be an adult. Think about something besides yourself 

Posted
2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Of course, but you specifically asked, "even if just for you?"

So that's the question I was responding to.

Fair enough.  Seems like you might consider whether your future is as cushy as you seem to think it is, but whatever.

Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Um, so how are the Dems and GOP any different?

Lol, at the second part.  We don't agree with you so clearly you aren't serious.  

You guys are pretty funny, I'll give you that.

That’s your question and you want us to take you seriously? Wut? You’re not serious people because there is no actual solution that satisfies you, except for the exact thing you specifically want. That’s not how anything works.

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I have so much more empathy and respect for weirdo undecided voters who don't pay attention to politics and just vote on complete vibes every four years at best than I do for "independents" who vote in every election, 95% of the time for Republicans, and openly tell us they don't care about something unless they think it will directly affect them. Even aside from them being assholes, the latter are just much much dumber fucking people.  

You're a middle-aged conservative white guy so how is Project 2025 going to hurt you? Oh, I dunno, how was the average German affected by the nazi rise to power? Do you think things were generally pretty good for the folks in Dachau who studiously ignored the fucking concentration camp in their back yard? Or do you think the nazi insanity and incompetence got their sons killed in a war before they themselves starved to death or had their house bombed by a foreign military? 

Try naming a country, anywhere and at any time in human history, that was run by a dictatorship in which things were or are actually pretty good for most of its people. I'll wait.

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Posted
1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Um, so how are the Dems and GOP any different?

L. O. FUCKING. L. 

This is how I know you’re a troll and an unserious person. 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

My disdain is for people who try to tell a party that they don’t support or regularly vote for who they should nominate.

Sorry to ruin your narrative, but this independent has voted Dem in every election since 2004.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Please lay out the solution to getting these independents to vote? They aren’t going to suddenly fall in line behind Kamala, we know this because they’ve told us. 

Nominate a sharp moderate under the age of 65.  Done.

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I almost forgot why I had you on ignore but now I remember how you made up a bunch of right wing BS and claimed it was part of the official Dem platform. You’ve been a right wing troll for a long time 

Posted
1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Wut? You’re not serious people because there is no actual solution that satisfies you, except for the exact thing you specifically want. That’s not how anything works.

Didn't realize the electorate outside of the 2-party system was not allowed to have opinions.

Your party can choose whomever they want, but that doesn't mean I can't suggest an alternative, or that I am beholden to vote for your choice.

Put another way, what % of registered Dems would you estimate are voting FOR Biden, and not AGAINST Trump?

IE would the Dems not vote for a Dem other than Biden?  

I can assure you a lot more independents would be happy to pull the lever for a different Dem.

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

L. O. FUCKING. L. 

This is how I know you’re a troll and an unserious person. 

So, anyone who doesn't share your world view is a troll?

Please, I beg of you, put me on ignore.

I have zero respect for posters who can't tolerate differing opinions.

Posted
6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Um, so how are the Dems and GOP any different?

 

The former is a political party, however flawed it might be.

The latter is a group of cons doing whatever it takes to get elected, so that they can become famous and profit, and in some cases stay out of prison.

Hope this clears it up.

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