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5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

C'mon man. There was no real primary contest. 

 

No shit there wasn’t. Because too many people voted for Joe for president, and then were happy with his presidency. 
Acting like the voters didn’t choose their candidate is flat incorrect. Taking that choice away from them is undemocratic.

There was nothing stopping Whitmer or anyone else from running, other than the not having voters thing.

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Watching the Michigan campaign event on MSNBC.  Damn, this woman is killing it.

(Biden says she's Pastor Rudolph AME)

Fuck, this crowd is off the chain.

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30 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You keep saying clearly impaired. Either you haven’t paid attention or you’re lying. Hes been old, he hasn’t been impaired unless you use those two words interchangeably.

Old, impaired, whatever.  You appear to be quite confident of his mental fitness.  I guess you're one of the 30% of Americans that doesn't think he's too old. 

The problem from an electoral standpoint is you're a minority. 

32 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s almost like Democratic voters wanted the guy who they voted for as President to run again or something. Weird.

You're also presuming those voters would make the same decision today. 

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1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Watching the Michigan campaign event on MSNBC.  Damn, this woman is killing it.

What’s her name? She killed it by just stating facts! 

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Just now, LCHorn said:

Old, impaired, whatever.  You appear to be quite confident of his mental fitness.  I guess you're one of the 30% of Americans that doesn't think he's too old. 

The problem from an electoral standpoint is you're a minority. 

You're also presuming those voters would make the same decision today. 

Some of us thought he was too old four years ago.

Ironically, some of us also voted for the dude older than Joe Biden.

Ahhhh, politics.

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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

Old, impaired, whatever.  You appear to be quite confident of his mental fitness.  I guess you're one of the 30% of Americans that doesn't think he's too old. 

The problem from an electoral standpoint is you're a minority. 

You're also presuming those voters would make the same decision today. 

No i absolutely think he’s too old as I’ve said many many times on this website. He’s not impaired. Those words don’t mean the same thing.

Im not presuming anything. I’m simply pointing out that throwing their votes away is not democratic. I’m not sure how you can think otherwise.

1 minute ago, MrBig said:

What’s her name? She killed it by just stating facts! 

I owe you an apology. You were correct that I had you conflated with another poster.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Some of us thought he was too old four years ago.

Ironically, some of us also voted for the dude older than Joe Biden.

Ahhhh, politics.

No one said we were consistent 

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6 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Watching the Michigan campaign event on MSNBC.  Damn, this woman is killing it.

(Biden says she's Pastor Rudolph AME)

Fuck, this crowd is off the chain.

I can’t wait to see him go after Project 2025 tonight 

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21 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Historical question: has there ever been a primary on the incumbent side that’s ever unseated the incumbent? 

Nope! An incumbent President has never lost their primary in modern US history.

Even Jimmy Carter won his primary and then he lost in the general election cause most of America didnt want him. Reminds me of this election a lot actually.

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2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Which talking points do you think a 53 yo, white, straight, cis, land-owning, male with enough money to retire overseas tomorrow should worry about?

Maybe you should worry about the talking points that adversely affect those that are less fortunate than you 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Hammerin Hank said:

Maybe you should worry about the talking points that adversely affect those that are less fortunate than you 

“First they came for…” doesn’t ring a bell for him I guess 

Posted
8 minutes ago, MrBig said:

“Lock him up!?!”

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Biden recounting Trumps sins.  Including bankrupting a casino.  Wow.  The best 10 minutes in TV.

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Slam dunk with the Donald “Herbert Hoover” Trump, injecting bleach in the arm, Hannibal Lecter, RAPED HER, RAPIST, bankruptcy and failed casinos even though the house should win reference. The gloves are off. I like this Spicy Joe. If he’s gonna ramble, let’s fucking let him do it for 11,780 minutes to fuck with Trump. 

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1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

You guys are the ones talking about how important this election is, yet you're ok running a clearly impaired Joe Biden when people within and without the party are raising the alarm.  

Interesting strategy that I give about a 5% chance of succeeding.  I think Kamala raises it to 15% and Whitmer 25%.

I disagree that he is clearly "impaired" and I completely disagree with your numbers.  So, where does that put us?  Is it OK to disagree or are you fucking omnipotent?  

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2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Slam dunk with the Donald “Herbert Hoover” Trump, injecting bleach in the arm, Hannibal Lecter, RAPED HER, RAPIST, bankruptcy and failed casinos even though the house should win reference. The gloves are off. I like this Spicy Joe. If he’s gonna ramble, let’s fucking let him do it for 11,780 minutes to fuck with Trump. 

This is the way.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I disagree that he is clearly "impaired" and I completely disagree with your numbers.  So, where does that put us?  Is it OK to disagree or are you fucking omnipotent?  

He’s an independent so he’s smarter and better looking and more successful than us stupid party folk

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

He’s an independent so he’s smarter and better looking and more successful than us stupid party folk

(Ironically, I've never been a member of any political party.  I do tend to vote Dem for Federal elections way more than I don't though, so I guess I count.)

Posted
2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

My disdain is for people who try to tell a party that they don’t support or regularly vote for who they should nominate

Do you think Biden gave the American public (or even the leaders of the Democratic Party an honest representation of his condition leading up to the first primary?

 

Because I absolutely do not

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Do you think Biden gave the American public (or even the leaders of the Democratic Party an honest representation of his condition leading up to the first primary?

 

Because I absolutely do not

Honestly, I don't expect them to.

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By the time I voted in the primary, Biden was unopposed.   To the extent there were even others running against him, and it sounds like there were, that was only in the earlier states.  What I'm getting from this thread is that I'm supposed to be fine with what a few voters in a few states decided six months ago.  

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2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

By the time I voted in the primary, Biden was unopposed.   To the extent there were even others running against him, and it sounds like there were, that was only in the earlier states.  What I'm getting from this thread is that I'm supposed to be fine with what a few voters in a few states decided six months ago.  

Maybe have all primaries on the same day?

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Maybe have all primaries on the same day?

Regional. 10 states, 5 days, convention the month after the final primary. Pacific territories with the west coast one, Caribbean territories with the Southern one, Americans Abroad with the DC one.

We don’t need a 6 month nominating process. It’s bad enough our election cycles are typically 13+ months. 

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14 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Do you think Biden gave the American public (or even the leaders of the Democratic Party an honest representation of his condition leading up to the first primary?

 

Because I absolutely do not

What do you think his condition is? You are the expert here. 
I think he’s old. I’ve thought he was old. Nothing I’ve seen since 2012 has made me think he wasn’t old.

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8 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

By the time I voted in the primary, Biden was unopposed.   To the extent there were even others running against him, and it sounds like there were, that was only in the earlier states.  What I'm getting from this thread is that I'm supposed to be fine with what a few voters in a few states decided six months ago.  

So who would you have voted for if it was an open primary?

Posted
9 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

Joy Reid is right - Biden is a completely different dude when he has a crowd. We need to keep seeing that Joe, and then he needs to knock it out of the park at the DNC.

Whatever they’ve got him jacked up on keep giving it until he’s dead or in the winners circle 

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2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Whatever they’ve got him jacked up on keep giving it until he’s dead or in the winners circle 

Now I just have an image of Biden like Bane from batman... 

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Posted
1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

What do you think his condition is? You are the expert here. 
I think he’s old. I’ve thought he was old. Nothing I’ve seen since 2012 has made me think he wasn’t old.

He’s more than old. There’s a reason they want him out of the public eye most nights by 8 pm. Google sundowning

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Posted
6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

What do you think his condition is? You are the expert here. 
I think he’s old. I’ve thought he was old. Nothing I’ve seen since 2012 has made me think he wasn’t old.

The emperor still has clothes?

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

He’s more than old. There’s a reason they want him out of the public eye most nights by 8 pm. Google sundowning

So you think he has dementia? You know more than I do here.

Seems like an old guy to me. He also seems capable of winning.

Posted
45 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Their forecast is strongly weighted by fundamentals like economic data, historical partisan lean, etc. The median of their forecast is a full four percentage points to the left of their own polling average. As we get closer to election day that weight will wain, and if the polling remains a stable but narrow Trump lead as it has for the entirely of this year, Trump will be a decisive favorite.

I suppose we'll see but I think it's clear based on how people are feeling on the economy that Biden is not going to get the same kind of "fundamentals" boost that an incumbent in his position would traditionally enjoy with this economic data.

10 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

By the time I voted in the primary, Biden was unopposed.   To the extent there were even others running against him, and it sounds like there were, that was only in the earlier states.  What I'm getting from this thread is that I'm supposed to be fine with what a few voters in a few states decided six months ago.  

I fucking loathe the "undemocratic" argument, it's disingenuous and frankly Trumpian for Biden and his camp to trot it out there. Primaries are not real elections. Like 10% of the electorate participates and it's the most ideological and committed partisans. Parties are also private organizations. Ain't shit about them in the constitution. They can do what they want to select their candidates. Were presidents before Nixon not democratically elected? Because primaries have only been in any binding in the past 50 years. And of course, as this post mentions, a primary with an incumbent president is not a serious contest.

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