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1 hour ago, Vertuzzi said:

Really? This your first time watching the Avs this season? Their second line is Nichuskin (elevated to first line due to the Drouin injury), Lehkonen, and Mittelstadt. Third line has Colton and Wood, and Parise fills in on all four lines when needed. Even Trenin and Cogliano have been fantastic on the forecheck. All of these forwards played huge rolls in the series against the Jets and played well last night. They certainly have way more than one line. 

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. COL is most definitely a top-heavy team. Some of the guys you named might crack our 4th line. I mean, the numbers don't lie (this is taken from avg stat - so basically performance per game - at the end of the season in yahoo fantasy). I'd be happy to post pure rankings, but they will say the same thing. Avg stats rankings is a better indicator of what you can expect from a player in any given game.

If anything this says we need help on the 4th line, but overall our forwards rank considerably better across the board than theirs - at least the versions that iced last night. There is a steep drop off after the second line. 

FWIW if you add in O'Connor and Drouin and drop Parise and Duhaime their average goes down to 287. If we drop Smith and add Marchment our average drops to 258. We're a better overall forward group, period.

I think we got tired as shit last night. We just ran out of gas. Bring up Bichsel, sit Nils, and bring back Marchment (if he's healthy). We do that and I bet we destroy them next game. 
 

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Yes I created a spreadsheet to make a point
Posted
5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. COL is most definitely a top-heavy team. Some of the guys you named might crack our 4th line. I mean, the numbers don't lie (this is taken from avg stat - so basically performance per game - at the end of the season in yahoo fantasy). I'd be happy to post pure rankings, but they will say the same thing. Avg stats rankings is a better indicator of what you can expect from a player in any given game.

If anything this says we need help on the 4th line, but overall our forwards rank considerably better across the board than theirs - at least the versions that iced last night. There is a steep drop off after the second line. 

FWIW if you add in O'Connor and Drouin and drop Parise and Duhaime their average goes down to 287. If we drop Smith and add Marchment our average drops to 258. We're a better overall forward group, period.

I think we got tired as shit last night. We just ran out of gas. Bring up Bichsel, sit Nils, and bring back Marchment (if he's healthy). We do that and I bet we destroy them next game. 
 

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My comment wasn’t about comparing the two forward groups from Dallas and Colorado. My comment directly addressed the comment stating “Colorado is a one-line team”. That’s just not true. They have much better forward depth than they did last season. Again, my comment has nothing to do with the Stars’ forwards. Also, saying guys like Nichuskin, Mittelstadt, and Lehkonen “might crack our fourth line” is incredibly laughable. 

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

The game winner against Otter wasn't soft but his positioning left much to be desired.  He over played the short side too much and couldn't get back.

I think he was counting on miro preventing wood from cutting across the crease, so he came out to challenge head on.  But miro was tired and didn’t get the body or the stick. 
 

anyone else feel like the mackinnon line is always on the ice?  I know makar plays a ton but it feels like their first line is out there a ton also. 

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17 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I think we got tired as shit last night. We just ran out of gas. Bring up Bichsel, sit Nils, and bring back Marchment (if he's healthy). We do that and I bet we destroy them next game. 

Bischel is still 19 I think and from everything I've read probably 2 years away. I can't see any possible way you bring him into the NHL playoffs.   They just have to trust Nils and hope to limit the damage or do the same with Hakanpaa once he's healthy.  There is no way around it.   I do think Marchment could provide a nice spark if he's ready to play.  He was playing pretty well until he was injured.

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11 minutes ago, Vertuzzi said:

My comment wasn’t about comparing the two forward groups from Dallas and Colorado. My comment directly addressed the comment stating “Colorado is a one-line team”. That’s just not true. They have much better forward depth than they did last season. Again, my comment has nothing to do with the Stars’ forwards. Also, saying guys like Nichuskin, Mittelstadt, and Lehkonen “might crack our fourth line” is incredibly laughable. 

I said some, not all, of the guys you named. Nuke is not included. Obviously that was hyperbole, but point remains. Colorado is very top heavy. Maybe not a 1-line team only, but after the top 6 there is a lot to be desired

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7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

anyone else feel like the mackinnon line is always on the ice?  I know makar plays a ton but it feels like their first line is out there a ton also. 

Yes.  And I looked up TOI this AM to confirm it.  Their top line skated 25+ last night.

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Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

but they're not a 1 line team 🤣

Yeah, I mean, I don't think Colorado is shying away from the fact they are top heavy.  They have probably the best current player in the NHL .  Of course they want him on the ice as often as they can.  

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20 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Yeah, I mean, I don't think Colorado is shying away from the fact they are top heavy.  They have probably the best current player in the NHL .  Of course they want him on the ice as often as they can.  

maybe the numbers say different but their guys at the top are younger too and they can probably go longer.

it was a one goal game but man they are still faster and seems like better all around.  we need puck luck or bad goalie and Otter to stand on his head.

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4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

maybe the numbers say different but their guys at the top are younger too and they can probably go longer.

it was a one goal game but man they are still faster and seems like better all around.  we need puck luck or bad goalie and Otter to stand on his head.

I said to my buddy right before the game started that I don't think 3 goals wins a single game this series.  Unfortunately that proved correct last night.   They are going to score a bunch and I don't think anything Otter can do about it except stop enough to keep it in the 3 range instead of the 6 or 7 range.   But that goes both ways. I feel like we had almost as many good opportunities last night as we did in Vegas game 3 (where we completely dominated play) despite the fact we completely slept walked through the 2nd period and more than half of the 3rd with virtually zero chances during that stretch.   We can absolutely score 5-7 against these guys if we play our game just like we did a few weeks ago in Denver.  

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To be fair, Makar is a defender (at least positionally - I think he's a winger who chose to specialize on defense) so he's going to be on ice a lot more. He just fires slappers from the blueline with such alacrity that he looks like a forward.

Whomever survives this series is going to see too much of Conor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl (no, I'm not giving Vancouver a chance). If you have them on your team, you roll that line as often as possible. If MacKinnon is on your club, he's on the ice whenever he can be.

If I'm Dallas, I'm reviewing tape to see if there's any way to slow down the Avs PP. Positionally, they just made scoring too easy. Being afraid to take penalties will neuter the Stars game.

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1 minute ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

To be fair, Makar is a defender (at least positionally - I think he's a winger who chose to specialize on defense) so he's going to be on ice a lot more. He just fires slappers from the blueline with such alacrity that he looks like a forward.

Whomever survives this series is going to see too much of Conor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl (no, I'm not giving Vancouver a chance). If you have them on your team, you roll that line as often as possible. If MacKinnon is on your club, he's on the ice whenever he can be.

If I'm Dallas, I'm reviewing tape to see if there's any way to slow down the Avs PP. Positionally, they just made scoring too easy. Being afraid to take penalties will neuter the Stars game.

Special teams was an absolute mess for Dallas last night in all respects outside of the 5 on 3.  

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1 minute ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

To be fair, Makar is a defender (at least positionally - I think he's a winger who chose to specialize on defense) so he's going to be on ice a lot more. He just fires slappers from the blueline with such alacrity that he looks like a forward.

Whomever survives this series is going to see too much of Conor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl (no, I'm not giving Vancouver a chance). If you have them on your team, you roll that line as often as possible. If MacKinnon is on your club, he's on the ice whenever he can be.

If I'm Dallas, I'm reviewing tape to see if there's any way to slow down the Avs PP. Positionally, they just made scoring too easy. Being afraid to take penalties will neuter the Stars game.

we faced the same thing in the first round and cleaned up the penalties. That was the difference in this game. Funny VGK actually outscored us 13 to 12 5v5 and us having a slight advantage in PP goal with 4 to 3. It certainly looked like all our scoring was going to come 5v5 and theirs on the PP. That was not the case

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Well, you seem to know that makar isn’t part of “the mackinnon line” or “their first line.”  I assumed a level of knowledge for those posting in this thread. 
 

I know that makar, a defenseman, plays a lot. It feels like mackinnon, if not his entire line of 3 forwards that usually play as a group, also play a lot. 
 

better?

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5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The embellishment call was so fucking bad. A PP opp would’ve given us a 50/50 chance to end the thing in regulation. Ugh. 

yup. how can you embellish when the guy clearly tripped you and you're sliding across the ice? did he not get up quick enough for the ref's liking? this lopsided reffing shit has to stop too

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Vertuzzi said:

Really? This your first time watching the Avs this season? Their second line is Nichuskin (elevated to first line due to the Drouin injury), Lehkonen, and Mittelstadt. Third line has Colton and Wood, and Parise fills in on all four lines when needed. Even Trenin and Cogliano have been fantastic on the forecheck. All of these forwards played huge rolls in the series against the Jets and played well last night. They certainly have way more than one line. 

I was about to say.......did anyone here watch that Jets/Avs series? Winnipeg got absolutely rolled......and it was highly impressive. I don't see Dallas advancing but what do I know. This should be a great series. 

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10 minutes ago, Sweetnsourpoke said:

I was about to say.......did anyone here watch that Jets/Avs series? Winnipeg got absolutely rolled......and it was highly impressive. I don't see Dallas advancing but what do I know. This should be a great series. 

bookmarked.

Posted
57 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The embellishment call was so fucking bad. A PP opp would’ve given us a 50/50 chance to end the thing in regulation. Ugh. 

I appreciate the hockey tradition of "letting them play" when it comes to the playoffs. Refs don't want to insert themselves in the game, so a hit that's likely boarding gets overlooked if the player gets up. A straightforward cross check or slash can pass.

When the pace of the game gets changed (like the Vegas guy that broke his stick across Heiskanen's back) or the puck carrier is knocked down, then a call has to be made (I'd be curious to know if Robertson's high stick contact would have been called if he hadn't hit the ice. Clearly a blatant high-stick, but it created a 5 on 3).

In this case, the ref had to make a call. It was a deserved call, and one so blatant that it should have legitimately put the Stars on the PP with 4 minutes left. However, he didn't have the stomach for it, so he evened up the on-ice power with an embellishment call that no one believes.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Special teams was an absolute mess for Dallas last night in all respects outside of the 5 on 3.  


first penalty kill was literally fucked from the face off because Earp broke his stick. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I said some, not all, of the guys you named. Nuke is not included. Obviously that was hyperbole, but point remains. Colorado is very top heavy. Maybe not a 1-line team only, but after the top 6 there is a lot to be desired

You tend to be top heavy when you have 2 of the top 10 scorers in the league on your first line. Doesn't diminish the rest of the team, though.  

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17 hours ago, ztejas said:

I know that that jacket needs to be on a 13 year old. 

I don’t think you’re an idiot so don’t fucking act like one.  Go read about Mark Messier first before calling him “some guy” and commenting on his clothes. 

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5 hours ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

I appreciate the hockey tradition of "letting them play" when it comes to the playoffs. Refs don't want to insert themselves in the game, so a hit that's likely boarding gets overlooked if the player gets up. A straightforward cross check or slash can pass.

When the pace of the game gets changed (like the Vegas guy that broke his stick across Heiskanen's back) or the puck carrier is knocked down, then a call has to be made (I'd be curious to know if Robertson's high stick contact would have been called if he hadn't hit the ice. Clearly a blatant high-stick, but it created a 5 on 3).

In this case, the ref had to make a call. It was a deserved call, and one so blatant that it should have legitimately put the Stars on the PP with 4 minutes left. However, he didn't have the stomach for it, so he evened up the on-ice power with an embellishment call that no one believes.

this.  the "offsetting" embellishment call is ripe for ref fuckery.  its a dive or it is tripping.  have some fucking balls.

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

this.  the "offsetting" embellishment call is ripe for ref fuckery.  its a dive or it is tripping.  have some fucking balls.

It's the hockey version of "charging, count the basket" that NCAA basketball refs used to love so much.

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fuck these goddamn television fuckers

it's 830 central time

there's more than 8 minutes left in the preceding playoff game

this is turner - they aren't going to flip the game to another network

if this game goes to overtime we're way past midnight

fucking again

how the fuck can the mavs and stars play on the same day at the same time and have that time be a start 90 minutes after when it should be

for the 2nd game in a row

godfuckingdamnit

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and this is a GIANT fuck you to the stars because OUR home crowd with home ice advantage is going to be dead by 11pm

it's supposed to be home ice advantage

why in gods name do they schedule a game to start in a tv slot THAT'S EXISTENCE IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY

the east game regulation just ended 21 minutes in to our tv window

how the fuck do the owners and the league allow turner to do this?

7 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

start the fucking east coast games at 6pm.  east coast pussies.

5pm eastern

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and this is a GIANT fuck you to the stars because OUR home crowd with home ice advantage is going to be dead by 11pm
it's supposed to be home ice advantage
why in gods name do they schedule a game to start in a tv slot THAT'S EXISTENCE IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY
the east game regulation just ended 21 minutes in to our tv window
how the fuck do the owners and the league allow turner to do this?
5pm eastern

ESPN does it too. Just let the games overlap some if necessary.

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