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a) Lot's of people saying OSU and Texas would be in a better playoff position if they lose one of the next two games.

b) In the past, CCGs literally cost teams spots in the playoff or major bowls.  CCGs are less impactful now, not more.

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They still have a negative impact though.  Players will get hurt and losing teams will go down in the standings right before the playoffs.  There is no point in having them when there is a 12 team playoff outside of money.  Everything else is a negative.

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24 minutes ago, kevwun said:

It's really dumb for a conference to shoot one of it's top teams in the dick right before the playoffs.  Knocking that team down in the standings also really hurts your bubble teams.  That's what is going to get the conference championship games done away with.

Exactly.  You shoot your dick early in the season and give it time to heal.  With time, everyone forgets it even happened no matter how embarrassing it was. 
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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

They're "pushing" rope, right now. The SEC may not even get 4 teams in this cycle if merit matters and chalks win out. The 4 autobid thing makes a lot more sense with 16 teams. 

Do you really think the SEC isn't going to get four teams?

Really?

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11 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not necessarily. If Ohio state beats Oregon it would most likely be this:

 

1 Ohio State

5 Oregon

6 Penn St

7 Texas

 

I Think our max is 2 with SEC championship 

Unless (unlikely) Michigan beats osu, the osu beats oregon by a a score. Then there is a chance for the #1 seed. 

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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Agree...just don't know how committee will view Texas vs Ohio St

Depends how far Ohio State would drop after losing to 6-5 Michigan.  Would be hard for them to leapfrog #2 Texas, who won 6 in a row and beat top 20 aggy and top 10 Georgia back to back.

Alabama dropped 6 spots after losing to OU, so they could drop down to 7-9 and then have to leapfrog a bunch of teams to get the 1 seed, likely including the SEC and ACC CCG winners who only have 1 loss 

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People looking for the magic metrics that makes this makes sense need to look outside football. 

It's called money , whether from clicks looking into manufactured outrage or targeting viewership numbers these 2 are the numbers that make everything make sense 

 

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17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Depends how far Ohio State would drop after losing to 6-5 Michigan.  Would be hard for them to leapfrog #2 Texas, who won 6 in a row and beat top 20 aggy and top 10 Georgia back to back.

. . . and who beat the crap out of Michigan.

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11 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Miami is the only team that's way over-ranked IMO. I think they should be out if they lose another game. 

Their schedule is complete shit and they would have 2 losses. 

 

ND and Pedo St would like a word.

 

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4 minutes ago, ATXhorn17 said:

The Texas secondary would do horrible, terrible things to Miami and Cam Ward… I would love that draw. 

Oh yeah the draw of ND/SMU winner and Miami/Penn st? Winner would be incredibly lucky for us.  Oregon/OSU/Gorgia in the Title game.

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2 hours ago, Zeus said:

Actually what is more bullshit is Indiana. 

100%. If they lose to Purdue, I would not even consider them for the playoffs. They would never do it, but I wish they would just put Vegas guys on the committee

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2 hours ago, Pimphand said:

That is if Syracuse doesn't beat them this weekend. Syracuse +11 seems like a fucking lock to me given its in New York in damn near December.

Syracuse plays in a dome. 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Agree...just don't know how committee will view Texas vs Ohio St

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Depends how far Ohio State would drop after losing to 6-5 Michigan.  Would be hard for them to leapfrog #2 Texas, who won 6 in a row and beat top 20 aggy and top 10 Georgia back to back.

Alabama dropped 6 spots after losing to OU, so they could drop down to 7-9 and then have to leapfrog a bunch of teams to get the 1 seed, likely including the SEC and ACC CCG winners who only have 1 loss 

If Michigan somehow beats Ohio State, they don’t make the Big 10 title game. Indiana and PSU both have one conference loss and one of them goes. 

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

100%. If they lose to Purdue, I would not even consider them for the playoffs. Wish they would just put Vegas guys on the committee

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

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7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

100%. If they lose to Purdue, I would not even consider them for the playoffs. They would never do it, but I wish they would just put Vegas guys on the committee

Vegas has Indiana -1.5 over PSU in a hypothetical.  Indiana is a good team.

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Just now, JBJ said:

Vegas has Indiana -1.5 over PSU in a hypothetical.  Indiana is a good team.

I am not a fan of either to be honest, but no way they leave PSU out. Name is too big. Sagarin has PSU SOS about 30 slots higher. Committee would never bring in Vegas guys. Would be interesting to see Vegas's top 12 though

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13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

The byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games alive and no doubt you will get continued commentary around cancelling those regardless.  I'm coming around to the idea of an expanded 16 team playoff and pod system in SEC/BIG where last 2 weeks of regular season effectively become conference playoff.  4 pod winners advance (other 2 seeds play 2 seeds, etc) and mini 4 team SEC/BIG playoff for seeding where all 4 teams that win their pod are guaranteed a spot.  Then your 2 seeds still playing for potential at large spots.  Lots of details/logistics to work out with that model but it seems to have potential.   As the current conference championship game with unbalanced schedules and crazy tiebreakers (with coaches already publicly questioning whether it's worth it) may not last much longer.

I mean look at PSU.  They get another cakewalk this week then get to rest of for a guaranteed home playoff game.

 

the conf champ game is a complete custerfuck now.  lots of teams have big rivalry games end of year, then a week later conf game against an almost assured top 10 team.  and it could be a rematch with even another rematch potentially in the playoffs.

the only other reason besides the bye to keep the conf champ game is that it makes teams feel better about scheduling a decent OOC.

 

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

The byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games alive and no doubt you will get continued commentary around cancelling those regardless.  I'm coming around to the idea of an expanded 16 team playoff and pod system in SEC/BIG where last 2 weeks of regular season effectively become conference playoff.  4 pod winners advance (other 2 seeds play 2 seeds, etc) and mini 4 team SEC/BIG playoff for seeding where all 4 teams that win their pod are guaranteed a spot.  Then your 2 seeds still playing for potential at large spots.  Lots of details/logistics to work out with that model but it seems to have potential.   As the current conference championship game with unbalanced schedules and crazy tiebreakers (with coaches already publicly questioning whether it's worth it) may not last much longer.

I mean look at PSU.  They get another cakewalk this week then get to rest of for a guaranteed home playoff game.

 

This is what I predicted years ago, and IMO make way more sense.

I THOUGHT they'd go from 4-8. In the 4-8 transition the CCG winners get home field first round. Then second round championships use the big bowls.

Essentially I thought that model would then morph into 16 and your model.

I was wrong on the process but still believe ultimately it's where we end up.

19 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

So you're saying there's a chance. Man, I really hope they let me take video if it comes to pass.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

the conf champ game is a complete custerfuck now.  lots of teams have big rivalry games end of year, then a week later conf game against an almost assured top 10 team.  and it could be a rematch with even another rematch potentially in the playoffs.

the only other reason besides the bye to keep the conf champ game is that it makes teams feel better about scheduling a decent OOC.

 

I'd love, at some point, if non-FCS wins were removed from consideration completely for wins and SOS. However, to really drive the point home make losses count against their win loss record and SOS.

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30 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Syracuse plays in a dome. 

 

If Michigan somehow beats Ohio State, they don’t make the Big 10 title game. Indiana and PSU both have one conference loss and one of them goes. 

Psu has the tie breaker over IU. 

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There are so many different ways to calculate SoS.  It's usually a meaningless rank and people definitely shop around for the one they want to make an argument.

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39 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

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3 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Auto bids are and always have been, fucking regarded

this.  

 

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

this dude is an idiot...that last statement is fucking ridiculous. 

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31 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I'd love, at some point, if non-FCS wins were removed from consideration completely for wins and SOS. However, to really drive the point home make losses count against their win loss record and SOS.

I think you meant non-FBS wins.  FCS is teams like Alabama A&M.  They should include them for SOS and make the team something like 300 because you are basically playing a practice game.

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I don't care about the auto bids, give SOME kind of reward for winning conferences...but NOT automatic Seeds.

The reason Miami is ranked so highly is only because they don't want to look absolutely silly placing the 9th/10th ranked team as the 3 seed when they're already placing the 12th team as the 4th seed and maybe the 14th or so Big 12 champ as the 12th seed.

give them the 10-12 and fill out the bracket by rankings...with the obvious change to make sure you don't have rematches in the first round, and 2nd if you can avoid it.

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1 minute ago, Drew said:

The reason Miami is ranked so highly is only because they don't want to look absolutely silly placing the 9th/10th ranked team as the 3 seed when they're already placing the 12th team as the 4th seed and maybe the 14th or so Big 12 champ as the 12th seed.

Which is fucking stupid because Miami won't be giving more than a FG against SMU.

Granted then they can be like "well SMU is legit, I mean they just best the 6th ranked team in the country!"

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Which is fucking stupid because Miami won't be giving more than a FG against SMU.

Granted then they can be like "well SMU is legit, I mean they just best the 6th ranked team in the country!"

Which is kind what's been happening in the SEC for all these years...confirmation bias.

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11 minutes ago, Drew said:

Which is kind what's been happening in the SEC for all these years...confirmation bias.

Yeah. I think SMU and My Amy deserve to be in the top 10 but I'd have one after the other and both behind Tenn and UGA. 

I don't even want to know what crackpot logic they are using to know that Miami is better than every team in the SEC but Texas but SMU clearly isn't. 

Miami may be getting bumped on some of these metrics because of how good Florida has been lately - but FLA wasn't even close to this good when they played.

Oh well. Most of this shit will sort itself out. I hope we beat their ass in the Coke vs. Coke bowl.

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Because Miami was good from 84-2003ish and smu was busy rebuilding their program from zero at that time while getting relegated when some realignment initially stratified two levels of FBS conferences. 
 

And guess who has votes in these things and when they started watching college football. 

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6 hours ago, immamac said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

 

4 hours ago, kevwun said:

Texas and Georgia would both be getting top 6 seeds if they win out.  Instead one of them is going to get dinged because they lost the conference championship game.  The same thing will happen to Oregon and Ohio St.  That's not the in the best interest of the conferences.

Well, those of us who did not want to become NFL-lite were a distinct minority.  It is not breaking new as meaningless and/or conference-harming CCGs were happening in the BCS and the 4 team playoff.  It's only a matter of time before someone notices that teams half-ass the rivalry week for the playoff.

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Any team on the bubble didn't do what they had to do to get in the playoff. That includes those that will get in and who won't. We have insured that anybody that might have gotten screwed in a 4 team playoff aren't getting screwed. That is all I care about. The bar is so low right now to get in, just play well over the whole season and have 1 or 2 screw ups. I wouldn't mind the last couple spots come down to pulling names out of a hat.

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

For sure but the upset to watch is Miami at Syracuse.

I think Syracuse has a chance to win that. If so, Miami should be out. 

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I think you meant non-FBS wins.  FCS is teams like Alabama A&M.  They should include them for SOS and make the team something like 300 because you are basically playing a practice game.

210-220 whatever it takes. And yes agree. 

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At the risk of incurring the boundless wrath of fellow surlers and suffering an onslaught of their verbal slings and arrows if this has already been answered, I have a question. 

Is there an established method for determining the time slot of the first round games or the site assignments for the later rounds? E.g. do the higher seeded teams get to choose? Or is it all decided by the TV powers? 

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3 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Yes. Higher seeds in first round get a home game.  But how is it decided whether that's Friday night or one of the Saturday slots? 

Tv probably 

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3 hours ago, Horndog said:

At the risk of incurring the boundless wrath of fellow surlers and suffering an onslaught of their verbal slings and arrows if this has already been answered, I have a question. 

Is there an established method for determining the time slot of the first round games or the site assignments for the later rounds? E.g. do the higher seeded teams get to choose? Or is it all decided by the TV powers? 

First round time slots will be determined for maximum ratings. The two early games on Saturday the 21st (broadcast on TNT, and going up against NFL games) will surely be the least attractive matchups.

Quarter-final sites have conference tie-ins: B1G champ to Rose Bowl, SEC to Sugar, and presumably Big 12 to Fiesta and ACC to Peach but I suppose there is some wiggle room if Boise is top four or whatever.

Haven’t read officially how the sites for the semi-finals would be determined. I’m assuming it will be set based on proximity to the higher seeds and decided on selection day rather than waiting to see quarter-final winners.

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