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11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Ross Ulbricht has reportedly been pardoned. 

So give us the libertarian perspective on this. Are we for pardoning all people who have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have hired people to commit murder or just the white ones from Westlake given their efforts to circumvent illegal drug laws? 

Do you agree with this pardoning?

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So is Surly banning twitter links? Seems all the rage on other social media non oligarch sites. I have no opinion on it, not like meta is run by any less of a giant piece of shit. 

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2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

just lovely ...

 

Going beyond any value judgment on the larger policy, the idea that POTUS can simply hand wave away appropriations passed through the legislative process and already awarded to various projects around the country is obviously very bad on just a basic, functioning society level.

Welcome to the clown show boys.

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2 minutes ago, achooloco said:

So is Surly banning twitter links? Seems all the rage on other social media non oligarch sites. I have no opinion on it, not like meta is run by any less of a giant piece of shit. 

Tried to convince my wife she should delete tiktok since its outright censoring opposition to trump, but that went about as well as I thought it would. 
 

Pretty crazy the hold that app has even on her demographic. 

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28 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Trump’s plan for the next four years is to do everything he can to be at the top of this list. He will grift, con, and steal from his position of power to try to make this happen. He’ll probably fail, but not for a lack of trying.

 

I'm glad the Walmart family doesn't care about college football.

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4 minutes ago, sidis said:

So give us the libertarian perspective on this. Are we for pardoning all people who have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have hired people to commit murder or just the white ones from Westlake given their efforts to circumvent illegal drug laws? 

Do you agree with this pardoning?

I am not sure that I have a fully formulated opinion, other than this was a commitment that Trump made during the campaign, was not clear would be fulfilled, and he fulfilled it today. But I am interested in unpacking it. I am not very knowledgeable about his case. Can you please elaborate on "have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have hired people to commit murder". I haven't dug into this one, but my understanding is that he was not ever charged nor tried on that? Is that not accurate?

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3 minutes ago, achooloco said:

So is Surly banning twitter links? Seems all the rage on other social media non oligarch sites. I have no opinion on it, not like meta is run by any less of a giant piece of shit. 

It's crossed my mind to quote every Twitter post I come across with just a gif of Muskolini giving the old "Sieg Drumpf" without any other commentary.

Because I'm not above being really petty and annoying like that.

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21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Trump shits on Jose Andres.  One of the kindest, most decent human beings walking the earth these days.

That checks out 100%.  "Kind" and "decent" and "giving" is like the trifecta of things Trump hates the most.  Shit, Trump regrets that Mother Teresa is dead because that means he can't personally cuntpunch her.

Example number 1,285,982 that the country elected a piece of shit. 

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8 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Going beyond any value judgment on the larger policy, the idea that POTUS can simply hand wave away appropriations passed through the legislative process and already awarded to various projects around the country is obviously very bad on just a basic, functioning society level.

Welcome to the clown show boys.

 

this is how an empire fails 

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am not sure that I have a fully formulated opinion, other than this was a commitment that Trump made during the campaign, was not clear would be fulfilled, and he fulfilled it today. But I am interested in unpacking it. I am not very knowledgeable about his case. Can you please elaborate on "have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have hired people to commit murder". I haven't dug into this one, but my understanding is that he was not ever charged nor tried on that? Is that not accurate?

they didn't need to prove that case because he was dead to rights on the other charges. but nobody seriously doubts he made the hires.

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This country's people have failed their duties and we will all suffer. You think you are rich enough to weather the storm coming, lulz, better have a B in your net worth. The robber barons were more subtle. We are living with the brainwashed masses and flat out racist idiots. Pain is the only solution. I have my popcorn ready.

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3 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

Trump won’t like the photos.  No more funding of National Cathedral 

It’s not a governmental entity - it’s owned by an independent foundation with close ties to the Episcopal Diocese of D.C. and the larger denomination. And it’s probably my favorite building in the entire country. I try to go every time I’m in D.C., even on business trips, at times when I can hear the choir, or even just for a brief prayer.  The bishop said what needed to be said today, even though it’s going to make her life harder (or put her in danger) for a while. And it’s also ludicrous that what she said is considered so heinous by so-called “Christians”. 

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You should be able to kick someone’s ass for this type of thing.  The only thing you should have to put at stake would be the other guy maybe kicking your ass, but the law should be neutral.  

This should be the version of dueling we legalize. Having an overdeveloped honor culture can certainly become a problem, but it's pretty clear that an underdeveloped one is too.  We'd be in a much better place if a lot of the guys (and women) who deserve to have their asses kicked got their asses kicked once or twice.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

they didn't need to prove that case because he was dead to rights on the other charges. but nobody seriously doubts he made the hires.

Like I said, I don't really have a strong basis for an opinion on that one, but it was framed initially as "beyond a shadow of a doubt". If you want to provide some links that provide the evidence without a lot of editorializing, I would like to read them. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Like I said, I don't really have a strong basis for an opinion on that one, but it was framed initially as "beyond a shadow of a doubt". If you want to provide some links that provide the evidence without a lot of editorializing, I would like to read them. 

Here you go:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Kingpin-Criminal-Mastermind-Behind/dp/1591848148?dplnkId=b0f8ac02-fdac-45f5-a09b-fe16763caddb&nodl=1

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2 minutes ago, sasquatch69 said:

It’s not a governmental entity - it’s owned by the Episcopal Diocese of D.C. and the larger denomination. And it’s probably my favorite building in the entire country. I try to go every time I’m in D.C., even on business trips, at times when I can hear the choir, or even just for a brief prayer.  The bishop said what needed to be said today, even though it’s going to make her life harder (or put her in danger) for a while. And it’s also ludicrous that what she said is considered so heinous by so-called “Christians”. 

Because they are "Christian" when it suits them and hide behind the assertion. They are, like most of the folks I run across, not remotely practicing what they preach. It is a convenient scapegoat for things they hate. Not unlike suicide bombers. Atleast the bombers kill quickly but these fake "Christians" want the suffering to last.

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Like I said, I don't really have a strong basis for an opinion on that one, but it was framed initially as "beyond a shadow of a doubt". If you want to provide some links that provide the evidence without a lot of editorializing, I would like to read them. 

Just fucking Google it. Jesus christ. Your team pardoned a pos and over 1500 other treasonous fucks that aren't worth the lead they deserve.

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Just checking in to see how grocery prices, gas prices, the war in Ukraine and mass deportations are doing. I’ve been stuck at home today so any updates would be appreciated.

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2 minutes ago, sidis said:

Bullshit, you know everything about this case.

LOL. I thought you were better than this.

You give me an amazon link after stating that he was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for murder for hire. Like 5 seconds googling shows that to be nonsense. Appears that his sentencing was influenced by the charges you reference, which were not demonstrated "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in court, which is what some people got particularly worked up about. The disconnect between the sentencing and the actual charges. Without going down the rabbit hole on this one unless you are able to actually engage substantively, I will say my position would be that a full and unconditional pardon is too broad, and that a commutation of the current sentence to time served seems appropriate. If someone wants to take up the murder for hire charges and put him back in prison after actually proving those charges in a fair court trial, so be it. 

Try to be less of reactionary clown moving forward sidis.  

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Confirmed, Ana thinks it's cool and good for (certain) people to get away with soliciting torture and murder.

Y'all lawyers don't even believe in the underlying principles of your own profession. Ethics is a moving target based on who you are advocating for and little else. That is all quite clear. The projection of all that taints this board given the disproportionate representation here. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. I thought you were better than this.

You give me an amazon link after stating that he was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for murder for hire. Like 5 seconds googling shows that to be nonsense. Appears that his sentencing was influenced by the charges you reference, which were not demonstrated "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in court, which is what some people got particularly worked up about. The disconnect between the sentencing and the actual charges. Without going down the rabbit hole on this one unless you are able to actually engage substantively, I will say my position would be that a full and unconditional pardon is too broad, and that a commutation of the current sentence to time served seems appropriate. If someone wants to take up the murder for hire charges and put him back in prison after actually proving those charges in a fair court trial, so be it. 

Try to be less of reactionary clown moving forward sidis.  

"Do the research for me so I can poke holes in it based on unsubstantiated Google links that support my preconceived notions. Otherwise I will not believe the things he did because I was not going to believe them anyways." 

Fuck off clown. You were alive during that time. You know what he did. Every fucking person knows what silk road was. If a black man sells a bag you are fine with the cops fucking him up and throwing away the key. If a white kid sets up a system where the same shit can exist on the net, you think he shouldnt face the consequences.

You are the problem.

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. I thought you were better than this.

You give me an amazon link after stating that he was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for murder for hire. Like 5 seconds googling shows that to be nonsense. Appears that his sentencing was influenced by the charges you reference, which were not demonstrated "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in court, which is what some people got particularly worked up about. The disconnect between the sentencing and the actual charges. Without going down the rabbit hole on this one unless you are able to actually engage substantively, I will say my position would be that a full and unconditional pardon is too broad, and that a commutation of the current sentence to time served seems appropriate. If someone wants to take up the murder for hire charges and put him back in prison after actually proving those charges in a fair court trial, so be it. 

Try to be less of reactionary clown moving forward sidis.  

read the book. there is zero doubt whatsoever. googling "freeross" gets you a bunch of innuendo bullshit. his murder for hire efforts were anything but "nonsense." i never said anything about it being proven in court. you miscontrued that and that is on you. but it was very clear what happened if you read the book.

so you believe that running an illegal global marketplace for drugs is worth a few years in prison. el chapo was convicted in court for narcotics trafficking, money laundering, and use of a firearm in furtherance of his of his drug crimes. are you ready to pardon him?

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3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

just lovely ...

 

Austinites paying property taxes for Project Connect without any federal funding already secured are going to be so screwed.

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2 minutes ago, sidis said:

read the book. there is zero doubt whatsoever. googling "freeross" gets you a bunch of innuendo bullshit. his murder for hire efforts were anything but "nonsense." i never said anything about it being proven in court. you miscontrued that and that is on you. but it was very clear what happened if you read the book.

so you believe that running an illegal global marketplace for drugs is worth a few years in prison. el chapo was convicted in court for narcotics trafficking, money laundering, and use of a firearm in furtherance of his of his drug crimes. are you ready to pardon him?

Dude, he is brown. Of course he isn't. 

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6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

If a black man sells a bag you are fine with the cops fucking him up and throwing away the key. If a white kid sets up a system where the same shit can exist on the net, you think he shouldnt face the consequences.

You are the problem.

Love it when posters try to tell me what I think. Just strawman shit. There use to be posters here that thought that strawman argumentation was the major problem with teh CR. They were right then, and it is true now. 

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6 minutes ago, royiv said:

Austinites paying property taxes for Project Connect without any federal funding already secured are going to be so screwed.

Oh I never expected to benefit from any of that anyway. Much like social security. Just another tax that I pay for being a part of society. But I’m also not advocating burning down the entire system because of it. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Love it when posters try to tell me what I think. Just strawman shit. There use to be posters here that thought that strawman argumentation was the major problem with teh CR. They were right then, and it is true now. 

So the dude that ran a website selling everything from drugs to children to murder shouldn't be locked up for the rest of his life? Right? Right?

Just commit one way or admit you are pro crime.

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1 minute ago, HOOKEM4 said:

So the dude that ran a website selling everything from drugs to children to murder shouldn't be locked up for the rest of his life? Right? Right?

Just commit one way or admit you are pro crime.

He's not "pro crime."  He's just an ardent believer in "if Trump did it, I can always explain it away/excuse it."

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8 minutes ago, sidis said:

i never said anything about it being proven in court. you miscontrued that and that is on you.

You said it was proven beyond a "shadow of a doubt", sorry if maybe I thought were talking about legal context in an exchange related to a pardon for legal convictions. Come on sidis. I don't honestly why you are tilting here. But its a pervasive problem, I understand. 

10 minutes ago, sidis said:

so you believe that running an illegal global marketplace for drugs is worth a few years in prison.

I think about drugs a lot. It's kinda my gig. I do not favor putting people in jail for non-violent drug offenses. I think that the markets should be legal and have reasonable, evidence- and reality-based regulations. He's been in jail for 10 years and paid like $190MM in fines (not sure what valuation of the bitcoin that is based on). I don't care if he is white black from eanes or whatever. If proven in a court of law that he ordered hits on people or something else, I am ok with locking him up forever. But your amazon reading list isn't going to move the needle for me. 

6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

Just commit one way or admit you are pro crime.

Y'all wilding. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You said it was proven beyond a "shadow of a doubt", sorry if maybe I thought were talking about legal context in an exchange related to a pardon for legal convictions. Come on sidis. I don't honestly why you are tilting here. But its a pervasive problem, I understand. 

I think about drugs a lot. It's kinda my gig. I do not favor putting people in jail for non-violent drug offenses. I think that the markets should be legal and have reasonable, evidence- and reality-based regulations. He's been in jail for 10 years and paid like $190MM in fines (not sure what valuation of the bitcoin that is based on). I don't care if he is white black from eanes or whatever. If proven in a court of law that he ordered hits on people or something else, I am ok with locking him up forever. But your amazon reading list isn't going to move the needle for me. 

Y'all wilding. 

As set forth above, I tend to agree with your position on Ulbricht, at least in the abstract (not knowing super-specific facts).  And, if he did order hits, why wasn't he charged with it?  I'm not down for life sentences for drug dealers, as a general proposition, or money launderers either.

I think a commutation of the rest of his sentence would be more appropriate than a pardon.

What's in this for Trump anyway?  Jr. like to buy his shit off the internet?

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He's not "pro crime."  He's just an ardent believer in "if Trump did it, I can always explain it away/excuse it."

I saw the clip from the Libertarian convention at the time. I didn't actually think that Trump was going to follow through with it. I am not particularly offended that he did. But do note that he modified the commitment from a commutation to a full and unconditional pardon, which I do not really agree with. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

I saw the clip from the Libertarian convention at the time. I didn't actually think that Trump was going to follow through with it. I am not particularly offended that he did. But do note that he modified the commitment from a commutation to a full and unconditional pardon, which I do not really agree with. 

But Biden pardoning Hunter....unforgivable.  Biden pre-emptively pardoning Fauci when numerous voices in the Trump regime have repeatedly called for his fucking EXECUTION....unforgivable.

You always find a way to conclude that what Trump did is at least ok.  Maybe you don't agree with it 100%, but you find a way to conclude it's okay.  Any government official OTHER than Trump does something?  Total condemnation.  You do this to yourself.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

As set forth above, I tend to agree with your position on Ulbricht, at least in the abstract (not knowing super-specific facts).

I think a commutation of the rest of his sentence would be more appropriate than a pardon.

Yeah, I think that we are on the same page on this one.

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, that is how I see it. And I am not just talking Ukraine. PEPFAR is fucked, Global health is fucked. Food programs, fucked. Public Diplomacy, fucked.

OBO and shit like that will be ok. Military aid and FMS will depend on Sec Def more than I want to think about.

I don’t think public diplomacy would be part of this as it’s a different type of funding than development aided. PEPFAR, food aid, health, absolutely.  But we pulled out of the WHO. 

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