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7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 Nope. I’m advocating that they get good at marketing, which I’ve been saying consistently on these boards for 20+ years. To equate being good at marketing with deception is a category error and symptomatic of how lost Democrats are right now.

I think the point they're trying to make that you're overlooking is that you can't "out market" lies. Especially when they WANT to believe those lies.

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Sorry to interrupt the ongoing debate (shouldn't y'all be talking about that stuff in the Democratic Party thread?), AG Bondi is going after the American Bar Association over DEI shit and threatening to revoke its status as the government-sanctioned accreditor of U.S. law schools.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-attorney-general-presses-aba-drop-law-school-dei-rule-or-risk-losing-2025-03-05/

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2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Can you list a number of people in your life that you have persuaded to cast a vote that you preferred? Extra points if they needed an organ transplant.

Hmm. Well most of them are one-offs, but in terms of degree of difficulty I was pretty proud of convincing 97% of the mostly baby boomer and older attendees of a neighborhood association meeting to support a resolution to ask the Austin  city council to upzone their own neighborhood, despite opponents of the resolution stacking the room with ringers and lying about what the resolution said. Not many examples of that…

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8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Sorry to interrupt the ongoing debate (shouldn't y'all be talking about that stuff in the Democratic Party thread?), AG Bondi is going after the American Bar Association over DEI shit and threatening to revoke its status as the government-sanctioned accreditor of U.S. law schools.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-attorney-general-presses-aba-drop-law-school-dei-rule-or-risk-losing-2025-03-05/

@TwiceHorn has assured me that the first duty of a lawyer is to their client and that the legal profession is definitely NOT in an ethical crisis, so everything’s jake!

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11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I think the point they're trying to make that you're overlooking is that you can't "out market" lies. Especially when they WANT to believe those lies.

Of course you can, that’s ridiculous. Trump’s voters generally know he lies all the time and probably half of them dislike it. They vote for him in spite of it, not because of it. 

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Lmao just look at how Republicans acted during Obama and Biden SOTU's and what happened earlier this week with Rep Green. A fucking joke.

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3 minutes ago, safe sex said:

When Democrats try to run on soundbites and emotion, they get pushed about their policy goals. Kamala tried campaigning on vibes for a while, and then the entire media ecosystem was all "What's Kamala's plan for x, y, and z, over and over and over again while completely ignoring Trump's utter lack of a plan. And the Republicans, of course, were even lying about having concepts of a plan.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU COMPETE WHEN YOU ARE HELD TO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STANDARDS?

This is another symptom- Democrats aren’t held by it. They just choose to play by the rules of a media ecosystem as they were in 2008. We no longer live in that world. Democrats are free to do other things and make their own weather. They just don’t, for some reason.

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, but holding a majority coalition in such contempt and disdain is also symptomatic of why Democrats lose.

Well, it's a good thing I'm not in Democratic leadership, but look the fuck around - the majority deserves all the contempt and disdain I can muster right now.  I think some pragmatism is warranted, and the reality is that your "just market better" and "infect the GOP propaganda apparatus" (btw - are you a fucking mgmt consultant?) isn't the Rosetta Stone that you think it is.

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Just now, Gap03 said:

Well, it's a good thing I'm not in Democratic leadership, but look the fuck around - the majority deserves all the contempt and disdain I can muster right now.  I think some pragmatism is warranted, and the reality is that your "just market better" and "infect the GOP propaganda apparatus" (btw - are you a fucking mgmt consultant?) isn't the Rosetta Stone that you think it is.

Ok cool

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Of course you can, that’s ridiculous. Trump’s voters generally know he lies all the time and probably half of them dislike it. They vote for him in spite of it, not because of it. 

They don't dislike that he lies, they think he's telling the truth and just being foiled by the evil libs. It's a classic fascist technique: paint your enemy as equally inept and all powerful. When you need to be victimized to boost your base, the enemy is powerful. When you need to thump your chest and make a scene, the enemy is weak and helpless and begging to be crushed. 

It's called cognitive dissonance. It's a hell of a drug

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Hmm. Well most of them are one-offs, but in terms of degree of difficulty I was pretty proud of convincing 97% of the mostly baby boomer and older attendees of a neighborhood association meeting to support a resolution to ask the Austin  city council to upzone their own neighborhood, despite opponents of the resolution stacking the room with ringers and lying about what the resolution said. Not many examples of that…

That sounds pretty policy heavy to me, contrary to...

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Lie about policies? What on earth? They should almost never even talk about policies.

Congrats, tho it doesn't support your point. 

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5 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

That sounds pretty policy heavy to me, contrary to...

Congrats, tho it doesn't support your point. 

 Nope. The resolution passed because what the voters cared about was their problems and developing a clear and immediate sense of who was on their side. Getting them to support the resolution was just a question of aligning to those things. The policy, if you can call it that, was just the outcome. 

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hearing jd fat eyelinered face vance's petulant gaslighting about zelensky not grovelling low enough in front of trump had me raging and cursing today.

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9 minutes ago, elfenix said:

hearing jd fat eyelinered face vance's petulant gaslighting about zelensky not grovelling low enough in front of trump had me raging and cursing today.

He’s so bad. 

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11 minutes ago, elfenix said:

hearing jd fat eyelinered face vance's petulant gaslighting about zelensky not grovelling low enough in front of trump had me raging and cursing today.

 

he must have a ton of sephora points 

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9 minutes ago, F250 said:

What if Dems actually fanned the flames of class warfare?

 

keep sniping

trump will eventually turn on musk, he turns on everyone 

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7 hours ago, safe sex said:

When Democrats try to run on soundbites and emotion, they get pushed about their policy goals. Kamala tried campaigning on vibes for a while, and then the entire media ecosystem was all "What's Kamala's plan for x, y, and z, over and over and over again while completely ignoring Trump's utter lack of a plan. And the Republicans, of course, were even lying about having concepts of a plan.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU COMPETE WHEN YOU ARE HELD TO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STANDARDS?

I will again refer to the GOP’s closed-loop propaganda ecosystem. 

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7 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The more closed a loop is, the more quickly it collapses and fragile it becomes. Democrats need to focus their energies on infecting and coopting the GOP propaganda apparatus, an equivalent apparatus would just make things worse and efforts to that purpose are wasted.

You’re right, Navalny should have just used the VGTRK against Putin, why didn’t he hire a marketing expert to tell him that. So easy. 

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6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

he must have a ton of sephora points 

+1.   ^^^^^^^This post needs more love^^^^^^

 

Also, what is up with the derails lately? First the damn gerrymandering and now the Democratic Party and all that ails it debate. 🙄

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You’re right, Navalny should have just used the VGTRK against Putin, why didn’t he hire a marketing expert to tell him that. So easy. 

We aren’t there yet, come on.

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9 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@TwiceHorn has assured me that the first duty of a lawyer is to their client and that the legal profession is definitely NOT in an ethical crisis, so everything’s jake!

I did no such thing (assure you that the legal profession is not in crisis).  I explained that the first duty to the client creates counterintuitive ethical situations.

This has nothing to do with that.

But yeah, with guys like Bove and Edward Martin violating all kinds of governmental if not ethical norms, parts of the profession are indeed moving to crisis mode.

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14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

We aren’t there yet, come on.

You don't think there's a State Media apparatus working in coordination with trumpco to make chuds think they're making the frogs gay and the mice trans?

Would you be interested in buying a beach house in Nebraska by any chance? I hear there's some nice bridges for sale too

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18 minutes ago, sasquatch69 said:

Nothing against you for posting this, but I’m so tired of BTC, Occupy Democrats, etc. posting again and again with “TOTAL TAKEDOWN OF TRUMP”/“REPUBLICANS EXPOSED”/“MAGA RIDICULED” kind of shit. It’s just fodder for the base, and doesn’t tell the real story, which is that the current admin continues to do pretty much whatever it wants and no one is mounting an actual effective effort to stop them. It’s just hopium.

100% agree. I think BTC, Luke Beasley, David Pakman, etc. are good people generally trying to do good work, but they all partake in the engagement machine for clicks/subscribers and it results in nothing moving the needle. 

 

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23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I did no such thing (assure you that the legal profession is not in crisis).  I explained that the first duty to the client creates counterintuitive ethical situations.

This has nothing to do with that.

But yeah, with guys like Bove and Edward Martin violating all kinds of governmental if not ethical norms, parts of the profession are indeed moving to crisis mode.

I think you are understating reality. When it has been proven by actions that laws and the constitution that underlies them don’t have to be followed, I would posit that the entire legal profession has been turned on its head. Our judicial system is a joke and works to the benefit of the rich and powerful. If polled, what percentage of respondents would respond that they have trust in our legal system? I have lost all trust and I come from a family of attorneys, including a federal judge appointed by Truman.

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36 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You don't think there's a State Media apparatus working in coordination with trumpco to make chuds think they're making the frogs gay and the mice trans?

Of course I do. But it’s not impenetrable yet. Democrats can still get on Twitter, Fox, Rogan, etc. 

And of course one of you will say the deck is stacked against them, and of course it is. But asymmetry is interesting and comes with its own set of advantages.

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10 minutes ago, royiv said:

I think you are understating reality. When it has been proven by actions that laws and the constitution that underlies them don’t have to be followed, I would posit that the entire legal profession has been turned on its head. Our judicial system is a joke and works to the benefit of the rich and powerful. If polled, what percentage of respondents would respond that they have trust in our legal system? I have lost all trust and I come from a family of attorneys, including a federal judge appointed by Truman.

If polled, what percentage of respondents would respond that they have trust in our medical system? Financial system? Local, state, federal government? Which of those systems works to the benefit of the rich and powerful?

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Of course I do. But it’s not impenetrable yet. Democrats can still get on Twitter, Fox, Rogan, etc. 

And of course one of you will say the deck is stacked against them, and of course it is. But asymmetry is interesting and comes with its own set of advantages.

I don't disagree that they should be getting out there and counter programming, but it's not about reasoning and appeal. It's about giving permission to hate. That's the core selling pitch for the republican party. 

Democracy relies on us not resorting to our baser instincts. Trump is permission to be the mosr base and id version of yourself that you can muster.

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4 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

If polled, what percentage of respondents would respond that they have trust in our medical system? Financial system? Local, state, federal government? Which of those systems works to the benefit of the rich and powerful?

Whataboutism at its finest right here, folks.

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Just now, gernblansten said:

Avoidance at its worst right there, folks.

Fuck off. Everything sucks. Don’t try to act like one aspect sucking justifies everything else sucking, dipshit.

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JFC. These dudes are so damn stupid. AI told find the word "Gay". Delete all objects.

Pics of WWII Bomber Flagged For Removal Under Pete Hegseth’s ‘DEI’ Purge — Because ‘Gay’ Is in Its Name

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s Pentagon’s DEI purge is wiping out more than just diversity initiatives — it’s reportedly erasing history, as images of Black soldiers, pioneering female service members, and even photos of World War II Hiroshima bomber Enola Gay, have been flagged for deletion.

The database of flagged content, which was obtained by the Associated Press and confirmed by the U.S. government, shows more than 26,000 images already marked for removal across military branches, though one official estimates the real total could exceed 100,000 when factoring in social media and websites.

Hegseth ordered the sweeping purge, giving the military until Wednesday to remove any content that highlights diversity initiatives.

Among the targeted materials: photos of the Tuskegee Airmen, the nation’s first Black military pilots; an all-female C-17 crew during Women’s History Month; and images of Medal of Honor recipient Pfc. Harold Gonsalves. Even a routine Army Corps of Engineers project was flagged — apparently because an engineer in the photo had the last name “Gay.”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/pics-of-wwii-bomber-flagged-for-removal-under-pete-hegseths-dei-purge-because-gay-is-in-its-name/

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

I don't disagree that they should be getting out there and counter programming, but it's not about reasoning and appeal. It's about giving permission to hate. That's the core selling pitch for the republican party. 

Democracy relies on us not resorting to our baser instincts. Trump is permission to be the mosr base and id version of yourself that you can muster.

I agree with that, but Trump’s supporters suport him because he acts like he wins. Just pause for a moment and imagine how Trump would have been eviscerated by Reagan, Obama, Bill Clinton, Biden in his prime, or even W?

And it wouldn’t have been because they were bigger liars, or because of policy or any of that. They would have made him the butt of the joke constantly, jammed him up until he popped, and made him look weak. Among many other things, Democrats need to change their style. That’s why I said their best play for this ridiculous speech was to just sit there, roll their eyes, and laugh out lough at the stupid parts. 

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

Fuck off. Everything sucks. Don’t try to act like one aspect sucking justifies everything else sucking, dipshit.

To sum up, you state an opinion, get asked about it, and turn into a little bitch ass. Very Trump like. 

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2 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

To sum up, you state an opinion, get asked about it, and turn into a little bitch ass. Very Trump like. 

Fuck yeah, Trump is the man! MAGA!

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9 hours ago, safe sex said:

When Democrats try to run on soundbites and emotion, they get pushed about their policy goals. Kamala tried campaigning on vibes for a while, and then the entire media ecosystem was all "What's Kamala's plan for x, y, and z, over and over and over again while completely ignoring Trump's utter lack of a plan. And the Republicans, of course, were even lying about having concepts of a plan.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU COMPETE WHEN YOU ARE HELD TO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STANDARDS?

Fucking this, the handwringing over what the democrats should do is pointless. The party is far broader and no matter what the candidate does or says half the party will be angry that they’re too moderate or too progressive. There’s a reason the “poorly educated” dominate the right, you just have to distract them with a trans girl playing volleyball, and you can literally spit in their face on everything else and they’ll vote in support. Theirs is no way to change that dynamic, we’re a despicable country whose majority are hateful despicable people first and foremost. We’re at the end. The other thread derailed over who wishes or supports terrorism in the US, it doesn’t matter, it’s gonna happen either way, and is beneficial to the right because they will just declare martial law, i.e., actual dictatorship. That’s not hyperbole, and everyone here knows it even those who will pretend otherwise.

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