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1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

I'd go further and say sports history. I've tried to think of another one this lopsided and can't.
 

The Clippers-Thunder Paul George trade looks horrible now for the Clippers. 

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2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

I'd go further and say sports history. I've tried to think of another one this lopsided and can't.
 

The worse trade in the history of the barter system. Those beads the Natives got for Manhattan were more valuable than Street Clothes.

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1 hour ago, horn009 said:

The Clippers-Thunder Paul George trade looks horrible now for the Clippers. 

That trade is still giving, too.  OKC owns their pick this year and the Clips are 4-10 with The Nephew already on the injured list.

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The Mavs are my second favorite nba team behind the Spurs and I can’t let go of this abomination of a trade. I can’t imagine what it’s like for the prime Mav’s fans. I feel really bad for those folks. 

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

The Mavs are my second favorite nba team behind the Spurs and I can’t let go of this abomination of a trade. I can’t imagine what it’s like for the prime Mav’s fans. I feel really bad for those folks. 

Question for you and all of the other Mavs fans.....

Is it that he traded Luka or that he got such a bad return?  I never thought the logic of trading Luka was bad.  He was out of shape and chronically injured and got in return...Anthony Davis?

Would you feel differently had they traded Luka to OKC for Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, and a tasty pick or two?  (OKC would never have done that but that's the first example that popped into my head.)

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3 hours ago, horn009 said:

The Clippers-Thunder Paul George trade looks horrible now for the Clippers. 

i had some back and forth with on the wolves subreddit last night, I went in thinking this SGA PG13 trade was the worst because of how they ended up. Then kinda got talked out of it. SGA was an unknown commodity, PG13 was coming off a season where he was 3rd in MVP voting. PG 13 means Kawhis coming both in their primes. that obviously fizzled with 200 games total played together in 5 seasons and no threat to win anything. While SGA blew up, they grab Jdub with a clipper pick and end up with 2 best players(so far) in the trade plus picks. 

 

But Luka was a household name. He was the next chosen white hope after Dirk and even played with Dirk. he was worth hundreds of millions (or Billions) to the Mavs franchise. he was meant to be a mav for life with mavs fans knowing they very well could never see a talent of lukas caliber play for dallas again in their lifetime. 


And the AD experiment has been a total failure, worse than the clippers for Dallas. even though everyone on earth knew AD cant play 2 full weeks without getitng hurt some wonky way 

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9 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Question for you and all of the other Mavs fans.....

Is it that he traded Luka or that he got such a bad return?  I never thought the logic of trading Luka was bad.  He was out of shape and chronically injured and got in return...Anthony Davis?

Would you feel differently had they traded Luka to OKC for Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, and a tasty pick or two?  (OKC would never have done that but that's the first example that popped into my head.)

Id guess 70/30, 70% trading Luka, 30% not shopping around and getting a ransom haul. 

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11 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Question for you and all of the other Mavs fans.....

Is it that he traded Luka or that he got such a bad return?  I never thought the logic of trading Luka was bad.  He was out of shape and chronically injured and got in return...Anthony Davis?

Both.  Luka was the face of the franchise, was fun to watch, generally well liked, and he made the Mavs competitive and relevant.  

While I would still have been disappointed, if the Mavs had at least come close to getting what he was worth, then I would have at least understood.  The fact that he went to a team I despise for next to nothing of value was as shocking and demoralizing to me as Chris Beard getting arrested.  

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43 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Question for you and all of the other Mavs fans.....

Is it that he traded Luka or that he got such a bad return?  I never thought the logic of trading Luka was bad.  He was out of shape and chronically injured and got in return...Anthony Davis?

Would you feel differently had they traded Luka to OKC for Jalen Williams, Cason Wallace, and a tasty pick or two?  (OKC would never have done that but that's the first example that popped into my head.)

Luka was a massive star that made Dallas relevant. So trading him at all was a bad idea, however…if they would have made a solid blockbuster trade where they really got full value, and there was an exciting future for the Mavs in the next 3-5 years, then I would have been okay with it. But the trade as executed has destroyed the franchise for 10 years at least because they have no draft picks. 

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Luka was a massive star that made Dallas relevant. So trading him at all was a bad idea, however…if they would have made a solid blockbuster trade where they really got full value, and there was an exciting future for the Mavs in the next 3-5 years, then I would have been okay with it. But the trade as executed has destroyed the franchise for 10 years at least because they have no draft picks. 

Dallas will need a top 3 pick next year to give a potential cornerstone next to Flagg. Getting back into the first round doesnt take much. unfortunately not many are gonna want to touch AD and Kyries contract now they enter their mid 30s with injury concerns basically everywhere 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

I'd go further and say sports history. I've tried to think of another one this lopsided and can't.
 

I think it kind of depends on how it goes for the Lakers. Trades like this need a component of it to generate at least a conference title to be "worst of all time".  Like the Nets/Celtics trade resulted in the Celtics getting a championship out of it, which makes it way worse that they gave up so much and did fuck all with it. The Clips/PG trade is up there too, because now it also resulted in a championship, one that they certainly don't win without that trade.

The Lakers need Luka to get some MVPs and make the Finals to truly seize that 'worst trade ever' status IMO. 

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16 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think it kind of depends on how it goes for the Lakers. Trades like this need a component of it to generate at least a conference title to be "worst of all time".  Like the Nets/Celtics trade resulted in the Celtics getting a championship out of it, which makes it way worse that they gave up so much and did fuck all with it. The Clips/PG trade is up there too, because now it also resulted in a championship, one that they certainly don't win without that trade.

The Lakers need Luka to get some MVPs and make the Finals to truly seize that 'worst trade ever' status IMO. 

All of those were slow burning, though. It took awhile for it to transpire and those front offices needed to do their part.

This trade is different. There's nothing slow burning about it. They traded a primetime superstar who just took his team to a Finals months before, also with a pretty subpar supporting cast. It was Luka, Kyrie and a bunch of meh. Similar to 2006 when it was Dirk, Terry and a bunch of meh. But Luka and Dirk were so good that they elevated those supporting players and they looked better than they were. That Mavs team outside of Luka/Kyrie was not even in the same realm as the Celtics roster.

The player they traded for was an aging, broken down player with a long injury history. Nothing about it was hindsight. It was said the second it happened, this was going to be terrible for the Mavs and would ruin any championship window they had with Luka. AD is not that guy, you can't build around him. Yes, Luka was injured as well but he's younger and injuries affect big men more.

And now? The Mavs are looking to trade AD. That makes this trade infinitely worse. You essentially traded Luka for whatever they can scrounge up for AD in the end. Those trades listed above is even not close to how bad this was. This trade immediately tanked the Mavs into 90s level of sucking. Lakers now have a much longer future. And got rid of the baggage that is AD. 

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1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

This trade immediately tanked the Mavs into 90s level of sucking. Lakers now have a much longer future. And got rid of the baggage that is AD. 

Meh. You have Flagg.

You also have your pick this season. 

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23 hours ago, horn009 said:

The Clippers-Thunder Paul George trade looks horrible now for the Clippers. 

This one is ahead of Luka because Shai has actually won a title, something Luka will likely never accomplish. 

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Just now, HtownHorn said:

This one is ahead of Luka because Shai has actually won a title, something Luka will likely never accomplish. 

SGA was just a young, promising dude though. He finished 6th in rookie of the year. Nice, but no way to predict his ascension. Money notwithstanding, trading him for Paul George--and, by extension, Kawhi--was the logical move.

Dallas traded away a consensus Top 5 player at 25 years old a few months removed from playing in the NBA Finals. For peanuts.

They're not comparable.

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6 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

All of those were slow burning, though. It took awhile for it to transpire and those front offices needed to do their part.

This trade is different. There's nothing slow burning about it. They traded a primetime superstar who just took his team to a Finals months before, also with a pretty subpar supporting cast. It was Luka, Kyrie and a bunch of meh. Similar to 2006 when it was Dirk, Terry and a bunch of meh. But Luka and Dirk were so good that they elevated those supporting players and they looked better than they were. That Mavs team outside of Luka/Kyrie was not even in the same realm as the Celtics roster.

The player they traded for was an aging, broken down player with a long injury history. Nothing about it was hindsight. It was said the second it happened, this was going to be terrible for the Mavs and would ruin any championship window they had with Luka. AD is not that guy, you can't build around him. Yes, Luka was injured as well but he's younger and injuries affect big men more.

And now? The Mavs are looking to trade AD. That makes this trade infinitely worse. You essentially traded Luka for whatever they can scrounge up for AD in the end. Those trades listed above is even not close to how bad this was. This trade immediately tanked the Mavs into 90s level of sucking. Lakers now have a much longer future. And got rid of the baggage that is AD. 

I understand all that, and it is a truly lopsided trade, I just think the Lakers need to have some success with Luka before it is cemented in the #1 spot.  The Celtics and Thunder both got their key pieces to championships from those trades. Neither of them win those rings without the trade, and both have the opportunity to win more in the future. I think Luka needs to be successful in LA before it is certainly "the worst trade of all time." 

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