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On 10/15/2025 at 11:53 AM, closetojumping said:

Other random and somewhat humorous OU stuff right now:

-OU is down to two OTs - Fasusi and some back-up transfer. They're claiming Simmons could be back soon, but also not explaining what his injury is and they're vague about the whole thing.

-The fans are arguing amongst themselves on several divisive threads and I am not sure which one is the most entertaining. They're flummoxed that USC and Riley are performing well after expecting Michigan to shred them. Numerous guys want Bedenbaugh gone while others are questioning the fandom of those posters doing so. On the Big 12 vs Venables quote thread, a mod has defended Venables' take and he's getting run over by his constituency. 

-No one can understand what the fuck is going on with Ott not getting PT, but numerous posters are simply unwilling to believe that it could be a byproduct of Demarco Murray not being very good at his job. 

-There is a growing consensus that Fatty Arbuckle sucks and they need Kevin Wilson's "uptempo offense" installed, with Wilson playing a bigger role on the staff. This is the same guy that was run off from Indiana after getting them to two consecutive bowl games and then only getting two seasons at Tulsa before being shitcanned there as well. Both places pushed him out because his team, his admins and the booster base all wound up hating him. He fits right in at OU, I guess. 

-They have a decent-sized faction of fans who honestly believe that they would have won the game on Saturday had those meddling refs not ruined things for them. This same group is projecting a 5-3 SEC finish with a win at SCar and then a sweep of their home SEC games remaining, Ole Miss, Missouri and LSU. 

-Another faction of posters is actively pleading for Venables to get shitcanned so "Nagy can get his guy" in there, with a return to top 10 national status being all but assured with that change. 

I'm enjoying witnessing where things are heading for the sooners and their program. 

They can't help themselves trying to run back the greatest hits. The game has evolved a great deal since 1999.

They keep wanting to go back to air-raid style offense to pair with BV defense. I'm all for it. If you look at PK defenses all the way back to Boise, he consistently shuts down the air raid or similar offenses.

And that shit won't fly in the SEC, which is a line of scrimmage league. They would need elite offensive talent. And I can't think of one elite offensive player they've had since Riley left. They're not going to money ball one in this environment.

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55 minutes ago, Yuk said:

They can't help themselves trying to run back the greatest hits. The game has evolved a great deal since 1999.

They keep wanting to go back to air-raid style offense to pair with BV defense. I'm all for it. If you look at PK defenses all the way back to Boise, he consistently shuts down the air raid or similar offenses.

And that shit won't fly in the SEC, which is a line of scrimmage league. They would need elite offensive talent. And I can't think of one elite offensive player they've had since Riley left. They're not going to money ball one in this environment.

Nailed it. Running the air raid was Ikard and Lehman’s brilliant idea to instantly fix the offense.

Just give up on running the ball. In the SEC. Haha, holy shit. 
 

Or they could break Ott out of the doghouse. Nope. Completely changing the offense mid season is much easier 

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I don't think Ott is in the dog house, I think he just sucks. He was an anomaly for a season at Cal, but in reality he's just bad. He did almost have 1k in 2022, but otherwise he's bad to diarrhea. At least at ou, which makes it even better. 

Think of John Harris and his 1k season for us. He miraculously got to 1k, but again, an anomaly. 

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21 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

I don't think Ott is in the dog house, I think he just sucks. He was an anomaly for a season at Cal, but in reality he's just bad. He did almost have 1k in 2022, but otherwise he's bad to diarrhea. At least at ou, which makes it even better. 

He did hit 1300 in '23, but it's not working this year.  I don't know how much of it is his fault. 

I don't think Ikard's plan is for the whole slate of offensive position coaches to go, but they've got to get on the same page.  Bedenbaugh doesn't want to coach his line to set the same way for every play (to accommodate the RPO), but that's what he's having to do right now.  That means no push in the run game, no blocking support by TEs that can't do it, and no space for the WRs to get clear because of the aforementioned.

The plan to abandon the run for this year is that he doesn't think you can re-install a package in the middle of the year that fixes the set issues, so you abandon the RPO and just use short passes in place of the run to backs who can catch a little.  You hope it pulls people up off of the deeper zones and then you get Mateer a little time with a slower rush and more space downfield.  You also hope it stops OLs from getting rolled up on, which has been the source of half of the OL injuries this year.

It would require a LOT of humility from the staff and you probably still need to get rid of JJF for not finding a single TE who can block worth a damn and Murray for not being able to identify, land, and develop a RB with any vision. 

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3 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

It's time for the Oklahoma Sooners to pull the plug on a longtime offensive assistant if they want to fix their rushing attack

By AJ Schulte  |  Last updated Oct 16, 2025 

I'm normally hesitant to call for a coach to outright lose their job. It's a tough industry with plenty of variables that are completely out of the coach's control, and sometimes the results don't match with the process because of dozens of other factors affecting the game. I understand the nature of the industry and how difficult it is to sustain success. However, I've finally reached that point with one Oklahoma Sooners' offensive assistant coach, and one who has been here a long time.

I am, of course, referring to tight ends coach Joe Jon Finley. It's time to move on and find someone who can actually coach this position and find talent instead of the complete zero Oklahoma's tight end room has been.

At this point of the season, the Sooners can't do much to fix the woes of their However, if they want to fix it moving forward, this is the only move they have left to take. He has had enough of a leash.

Enough is Enough for Joe Jon Finley

I can't say for certain what goes on in the tight end room, I can only look at the film. What the film tells me is that the state of the Sooners' tight ends is in embarrassing sorts. There is a lack of fundamentals and talent To make matters worse, it's been a repeat problem for years.

Oklahoma's run game has mainly been attributed to the offensive line. After all, it's very easy for casual viewers to look at the run game struggling and say "Yeah it's the oline's fault" because they don't really understand blocking. And that's ok, it's a tricky thing to pick up live. Yet I can promise you, it's not the offensive line's fault. At least, mostly not.

The tight end room is completely unplayable. Even with Jaren Kanak's prowess as a receiver, the room is at best a zero on the field and at worst completely derailing Oklahoma's offense on a down-to-down basis.

It doesn't matter what Oklahoma offensive coordinator Ben Arbuckle tries to run. Time and time again, the tight ends are whiffing the blocks or getting blocked right into the path of the runner. Texas steamrolled everyone in the room, shutting down any hopes the Sooners had of mustering anything on the ground.

Over and over and over again, a tight end lost his battle or blew his assignment. Where is the coaching? How is every player in a room completely messing up his assignment every time? It's a complete disaster

It's getting to an embarrassing state for Oklahoma, and it's a problem that has stretched on for years. Ever since Finley took over the tight end room in 2021 (as an aside, why is a Lincoln Riley hire still in Norman?), the talent and production has dropped year-over-year and the bottom has finally fallen out.

If Kanak, who converted from linebacker this offseason, didn't look as good as he has a receiver, there would be absolutely zero reason to play any of these tight ends. Finley lucked into a position convert being a really good athlete. None of the other players have shown anything that should be the standard at Oklahoma. I'm loathe to say Oklahoma should just live in 4WR sets, but at this point, they might as well. That room is several leagues more talented than their tight end room is.

At this point of the season, I don't think there's anything you can do to salvage this room. There's just a dearth of talent at the position, and it's been that way for years. A school that has long produced playmakers at tight end has been reduced to taking in talents from Pittsburg State and Kennesaw State, because nobody else would come here. It's sad, and there's no reason for this to continue. Change has to come.

 

This is some of the funniest film I’ve ever seen.  

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2 minutes ago, horn009 said:

I think Venables will be fired if they end up winning less than 8 games. 

I think three more wins is their best case scenario. Not really sure it’s possible with that schedule. That offense is early 2000s Baylor-level bad. 

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2 minutes ago, kilroydos said:

He did hit 1300 in '23, but it's not working this year.  I don't know how much of it is his fault. 

I don't think Ikard's plan is for the whole slate of offensive position coaches to go, but they've got to get on the same page.  Bedenbaugh doesn't want to coach his line to set the same way for every play (to accommodate the RPO), but that's what he's having to do right now.  That means no push in the run game, no blocking support by TEs that can't do it, and no space for the WRs to get clear because of the aforementioned.

The plan to abandon the run for this year is that he doesn't think you can re-install a package in the middle of the year that fixes the set issues, so you abandon the RPO and just use short passes in place of the run to backs who can catch a little.  You hope it pulls people up off of the deeper zones and then you get Mateer a little time with a slower rush and more space downfield.  You also hope it stops OLs from getting rolled up on, which has been the source of half of the OL injuries this year.

It would require a LOT of humility from the staff and you probably still need to get rid of JJF for not finding a single TE who can block worth a damn and Murray for not being able to identify, land, and develop a RB with any vision. 

Honestly, it's really mostly on the o-line. Bendenbaugh needs to retire. He's way past his prime, and BV, much like late stage Mack, can't see the forest for the trees, so it's killing the entire offense in general. It starts with the o-line, and I don't even know if Mateer can compete in this league. He got absolutely wrecked, albeit by an elite unit, but he was basically giving away free INT's, too. He was making his WR's turn into DB's from the second quarter on. 

I don't know much about Ott, but I did remember thinking it was not a solid pickup, even though everyone in the media was pumping him up like he was Justice Haynes or some shit. Just taking a look at Murray's recruiting and development proves he was not a good fit. Ou HAS to fire both Murray and Bendenbaugh if they want to have any success in this league. They are both terrible (prime Bendenbaugh was great). Murray flat out sucks. Taylor Tatum is as gone as Ced Baxter. 

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8 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

I think three more wins is their best case scenario. Not really sure it’s possible with that schedule. That offense is early 2000s Baylor-level bad. 

Their remaining schedule is brutal.  I can easily see their wins at around 1-2 over the next six games

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7 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Honestly, it's really mostly on the o-line. Bendenbaugh needs to retire. He's way past his prime, and BV, much like late stage Mack, can't see the forest for the trees, so it's killing the entire offense in general. It starts with the o-line, 

It's absolutely the OL, but I don't know if letting Bill go is the answer.  Now that he's finally had the NIL stuff and closing out recruitment put onto people who love doing it, he's back to competing for top talent.  If there's a criticism I'd level at him now, it's that he's allowed the line to become far too passive to match the scheme.  He needs to be an advocate for what makes a successful run game, not just someone who implements the things he's told to.

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5 minutes ago, kilroydos said:

He did hit 1300 in '23, but it's not working this year.  I don't know how much of it is his fault. 

I don't think Ikard's plan is for the whole slate of offensive position coaches to go, but they've got to get on the same page.  Bedenbaugh doesn't want to coach his line to set the same way for every play (to accommodate the RPO), but that's what he's having to do right now.  That means no push in the run game, no blocking support by TEs that can't do it, and no space for the WRs to get clear because of the aforementioned.

The plan to abandon the run for this year is that he doesn't think you can re-install a package in the middle of the year that fixes the set issues, so you abandon the RPO and just use short passes in place of the run to backs who can catch a little.  You hope it pulls people up off of the deeper zones and then you get Mateer a little time with a slower rush and more space downfield.  You also hope it stops OLs from getting rolled up on, which has been the source of half of the OL injuries this year.

It would require a LOT of humility from the staff and you probably still need to get rid of JJF for not finding a single TE who can block worth a damn and Murray for not being able to identify, land, and develop a RB with any vision. 

If you could swing the scythe, who would you keep on the offensive coaching staff? 

My view is this:

-Joe Jon Finley was a bum at ATM and he's been a bum at OU. I don't know what he's doing with his charges, honestly. It almost seems like guys get worse as the season moves forward. We saw that with certain groups under Mack Brown, everywhere under Strong, and in a lot of places with Herman. No one hires a perfect staff, so there's nits to pick across any staff in the country, but JJF stands out as one of the worst position coaches I could name anywhere right now. Some of that is due to familiarity, but not all of it. 

-Jones could well be a victim of circumstance, but we're nearing a point where it doesn't matter. Injuries decimating the WR room? Two years in a row? That's a shame. Also a shame? There aren't any actual dudes in the room in the first place and the statistics bear that out. This is from a program that seemed like it produced a top 3 round WR pick every year for two decades. 

-Murray is saved only by Finley in terms of being the worst assistant on any staff I can think of right now. He can at least recruit, I guess, but he does nothing with those recruits once they get to campus. It also seems like he actively finds a player in the RB room to dislike and beat up on each year. The RB room is where highly ranked 4 stars and 5 stars go to die. Sawchuk, Tatum, Barnes, Ott - they are all within the last 2 years of being complete busts or mediocrities. Maybe some got hurt? Who cares? The excuses might be legitimate, but they aren't improving the situation. 

-Bedenbaugh is enigmatic, at this point. He was once considered one of the best in the business and had guys going in the 1st round it seemed like every year. He fell asleep in recruiting and ignored the portal for a few years and now the product on the field is absolute dogshit. This is another spot where the group seems to be devolving as the seasons wear on, particularly the past two years. Again, injuries can be part of the problem, but cry me a river. Every program in the country deals with building OL injury issues as the season continues because this is a brutal, violent sport, especially in the trenches. 

I have zero faith in Arbuckle to make solid hires simply because he hasn't been around long enough to know what he's doing in that regard. I'd been hiring talent for 6 years when I was 29 and shit was still somewhat of a mystery to me. Unless he's a savant, how the fuck is he going to know who to poach or promote? Venables is part of why you're in this offensive mess. One thing about Nagy is that he is connected throughout CFB and the NFL when it comes to coaching personnel. Maybe he's a legitimate asset on this front if OU does decide to clean house offensively. 

Also, Schmidt is outdated and from a different era. I don't see OU looking bigger, faster, or meaner than any other P4 team they're playing. They outplayed Michigan and Auburn, but they didn't have a size or speed advantage to my naked eye. Against Texas? They looked smaller and slower across the board. Are you guys seeing something differently? 

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There is a realistic chance that OU could turn into an Arkansas or Ole Miss type program. They have too many more seasons like they’re about to have and kids won’t give a damn about their history. They’re poor. Even Mizzou could supplant them because there’s talent in Missouri around St. Louis and the alums have money. They got super lucky with the Stoops hire, but NIL has screwed them. They could very well turn into a stepping-stone job for coaches who want to go on to programs with money.
 

At least that’s my pipe dream. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

If you could swing the scythe, who would you keep on the offensive coaching staff? 

My view is this:

 

Nearly exactly this.  JJF and Murray are stealing paychecks at this point.  Tough to get rid of "family", but sentimentality should not be part of the decision.  Jones, I need to see big wins either in development or recruiting to justify keeping him.  Doesn't look like there's anyone in '27 in the top 300 that he leads for.  Bedenbaugh I'm still in on, for reasons outlined above. 

You'd have to think Nagy or BV would have options in mind.  RBs and TEs should be dead simple to project, recruit, and develop.

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4 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

There is a realistic chance that OU could turn into an Arkansas or Ole Miss type program. They have too many more seasons like they’re about to have and kids won’t give a damn about their history. They’re poor. Even Mizzou could supplant them because there’s talent in Missouri around St. Louis and the alums have money. They got super lucky with the Stoops hire, but NIL has screwed them. They could very well turn into a stepping-stone job for coaches who want to go on to programs with money.
 

At least that’s my pipe dream. 

UT, A&M, Tech, SMU, and hell, TCU and Baylor can all out-bid OU for Texas talent, which has always been the okies' lifeblood. Their over-the-table NIL game ain't what their under-the-table cheating game was back in the day. Nobody deserves Nebraska like irrelevance more than these meth-addled rednecks.

I love it!

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25 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

If you could swing the scythe, who would you keep on the offensive coaching staff? 

My view is this:

-Joe Jon Finley was a bum at ATM and he's been a bum at OU. I don't know what he's doing with his charges, honestly. It almost seems like guys get worse as the season moves forward. We saw that with certain groups under Mack Brown, everywhere under Strong, and in a lot of places with Herman. No one hires a perfect staff, so there's nits to pick across any staff in the country, but JJF stands out as one of the worst position coaches I could name anywhere right now. Some of that is due to familiarity, but not all of it. 

-Jones could well be a victim of circumstance, but we're nearing a point where it doesn't matter. Injuries decimating the WR room? Two years in a row? That's a shame. Also a shame? There aren't any actual dudes in the room in the first place and the statistics bear that out. This is from a program that seemed like it produced a top 3 round WR pick every year for two decades. 

-Murray is saved only by Finley in terms of being the worst assistant on any staff I can think of right now. He can at least recruit, I guess, but he does nothing with those recruits once they get to campus. It also seems like he actively finds a player in the RB room to dislike and beat up on each year. The RB room is where highly ranked 4 stars and 5 stars go to die. Sawchuk, Tatum, Barnes, Ott - they are all within the last 2 years of being complete busts or mediocrities. Maybe some got hurt? Who cares? The excuses might be legitimate, but they aren't improving the situation. 

-Bedenbaugh is enigmatic, at this point. He was once considered one of the best in the business and had guys going in the 1st round it seemed like every year. He fell asleep in recruiting and ignored the portal for a few years and now the product on the field is absolute dogshit. This is another spot where the group seems to be devolving as the seasons wear on, particularly the past two years. Again, injuries can be part of the problem, but cry me a river. Every program in the country deals with building OL injury issues as the season continues because this is a brutal, violent sport, especially in the trenches. 

I have zero faith in Arbuckle to make solid hires simply because he hasn't been around long enough to know what he's doing in that regard. I'd been hiring talent for 6 years when I was 29 and shit was still somewhat of a mystery to me. Unless he's a savant, how the fuck is he going to know who to poach or promote? Venables is part of why you're in this offensive mess. One thing about Nagy is that he is connected throughout CFB and the NFL when it comes to coaching personnel. Maybe he's a legitimate asset on this front if OU does decide to clean house offensively. 

Also, Schmidt is outdated and from a different era. I don't see OU looking bigger, faster, or meaner than any other P4 team they're playing. They outplayed Michigan and Auburn, but they didn't have a size or speed advantage to my naked eye. Against Texas? They looked smaller and slower across the board. Are you guys seeing something differently? 

100% correct and I am glad that one of your 'gargle our balls' posts came to fruition.  We looked bigger, faster, meaner and tougher against OU and I loved it.  We crushed them slowly in an ugly rock fight of a game.

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35 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Also, Schmidt is outdated and from a different era. I don't see OU looking bigger, faster, or meaner than any other P4 team they're playing. They outplayed Michigan and Auburn, but they didn't have a size or speed advantage to my naked eye. Against Texas? They looked smaller and slower across the board. Are you guys seeing something differently? 

In the olden days, you'd watch the game and begrudingly think or say under your breath "dang, wish we would have recruited that guy" to more than a few OU players.

This last game the only guy who was a dog that I liked and thought would start was Taylor Wein. Everywhere else was pretty unimpressed.

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On 10/15/2025 at 9:53 AM, closetojumping said:

-OU is down to two OTs - Fasusi and some back-up transfer. They're claiming Simmons could be back soon, but also not explaining what his injury is and they're vague about the whole thing.

i feel like we're in no position to point and laugh here

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4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

It's time for the Oklahoma Sooners to pull the plug on a longtime offensive assistant if they want to fix their rushing attack

By AJ Schulte  |  Last updated Oct 16, 2025 

I'm normally hesitant to call for a coach to outright lose their job. It's a tough industry with plenty of variables that are completely out of the coach's control, and sometimes the results don't match with the process because of dozens of other factors affecting the game. I understand the nature of the industry and how difficult it is to sustain success. However, I've finally reached that point with one Oklahoma Sooners' offensive assistant coach, and one who has been here a long time.

I am, of course, referring to tight ends coach Joe Jon Finley. It's time to move on and find someone who can actually coach this position and find talent instead of the complete zero Oklahoma's tight end room has been.

At this point of the season, the Sooners can't do much to fix the woes of their However, if they want to fix it moving forward, this is the only move they have left to take. He has had enough of a leash.

Enough is Enough for Joe Jon Finley

I can't say for certain what goes on in the tight end room, I can only look at the film. What the film tells me is that the state of the Sooners' tight ends is in embarrassing sorts. There is a lack of fundamentals and talent To make matters worse, it's been a repeat problem for years.

Oklahoma's run game has mainly been attributed to the offensive line. After all, it's very easy for casual viewers to look at the run game struggling and say "Yeah it's the oline's fault" because they don't really understand blocking. And that's ok, it's a tricky thing to pick up live. Yet I can promise you, it's not the offensive line's fault. At least, mostly not.

The tight end room is completely unplayable. Even with Jaren Kanak's prowess as a receiver, the room is at best a zero on the field and at worst completely derailing Oklahoma's offense on a down-to-down basis.

It doesn't matter what Oklahoma offensive coordinator Ben Arbuckle tries to run. Time and time again, the tight ends are whiffing the blocks or getting blocked right into the path of the runner. Texas steamrolled everyone in the room, shutting down any hopes the Sooners had of mustering anything on the ground.

Over and over and over again, a tight end lost his battle or blew his assignment. Where is the coaching? How is every player in a room completely messing up his assignment every time? It's a complete disaster

It's getting to an embarrassing state for Oklahoma, and it's a problem that has stretched on for years. Ever since Finley took over the tight end room in 2021 (as an aside, why is a Lincoln Riley hire still in Norman?), the talent and production has dropped year-over-year and the bottom has finally fallen out.

If Kanak, who converted from linebacker this offseason, didn't look as good as he has a receiver, there would be absolutely zero reason to play any of these tight ends. Finley lucked into a position convert being a really good athlete. None of the other players have shown anything that should be the standard at Oklahoma. I'm loathe to say Oklahoma should just live in 4WR sets, but at this point, they might as well. That room is several leagues more talented than their tight end room is.

At this point of the season, I don't think there's anything you can do to salvage this room. There's just a dearth of talent at the position, and it's been that way for years. A school that has long produced playmakers at tight end has been reduced to taking in talents from Pittsburg State and Kennesaw State, because nobody else would come here. It's sad, and there's no reason for this to continue. Change has to come.

 

this is sexy sexy stuff

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1 hour ago, Chili dog said:

This is some of the funniest film I’ve ever seen.  

i never saw myself as being into snuff films but here we are

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"Also, OU has never scored more than 2 offensive touchdowns against an SEC opponent since joining the conference."  ?????

 
1st OKL 13:11 OKL - Gabriel,Dillon 9 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 5 plays, 22 yards, TOP 01:03
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2nd OKL 05:23 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 10 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:04
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3rd OKL 10:21 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 13 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:39
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4th OKL 00:15 OKL - Anderson,Nic 3 yd pass from Gabriel,Dillon (Schmit,Zach kick) 5 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:02
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7 minutes ago, Iguana said:

"Also, OU has never scored more than 2 offensive touchdowns against an SEC opponent since joining the conference."  ?????

 
1st OKL 13:11 OKL - Gabriel,Dillon 9 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 5 plays, 22 yards, TOP 01:03
7
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2nd OKL 05:23 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 10 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:04
17
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3rd OKL 10:21 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 13 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:39
27
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4th OKL 00:15 OKL - Anderson,Nic 3 yd pass from Gabriel,Dillon (Schmit,Zach kick) 5 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:02
34
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18 minutes ago, Iguana said:

"Also, OU has never scored more than 2 offensive touchdowns against an SEC opponent since joining the conference."  ?????

 
1st OKL 13:11 OKL - Gabriel,Dillon 9 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 5 plays, 22 yards, TOP 01:03
7
0
 

 

2nd OKL 05:23 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 10 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:04
17
14

 

3rd OKL 10:21 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 13 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:39
27
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4th OKL 00:15 OKL - Anderson,Nic 3 yd pass from Gabriel,Dillon (Schmit,Zach kick) 5 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:02
34
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Bless your heart.

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19 minutes ago, Iguana said:

"Also, OU has never scored more than 2 offensive touchdowns against an SEC opponent since joining the conference."  ?????

 
1st OKL 13:11 OKL - Gabriel,Dillon 9 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 5 plays, 22 yards, TOP 01:03
7
0
 

 

2nd OKL 05:23 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 10 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:04
17
14

 

3rd OKL 10:21 OKL - Walker,Tawee 1 yd run (Schmit,Zach kick), 13 plays, 75 yards, TOP 04:39
27
17
 
 

 

4th OKL 00:15 OKL - Anderson,Nic 3 yd pass from Gabriel,Dillon (Schmit,Zach kick) 5 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:02
34
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Sadly, this took effort. 

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i realize this is just wishful thinking on my part as we still continue to hear from the media about the play of Mr. YOLO Quarterback, John Mateer, but maybe, just maybe, we won't quite hear so much about the defensive genius of Venable and the Sooners' #1 rated defense after Ole Miss ran 87 plays for over 430 yards and scored 34 points in Norman.

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OU's offensive grades and snapcounts for the Ole Miss game are below. 

Highlights:

-Not in the notes, but also of note, Kendal Dolby and Taylor Tatum are awol. Venables said even recently that both would be playing soon. They're expected by OU posters to enter the portal. Tatum was a 5 star that they lauded as a win over Texas. Another 5 star bust at OU. 

-Also not in the notes, but multiple OU OLs who did not play are rumored to also be entering the portal.

-Fodje and Fasusi had brutal scores for the game. If you watched, you saw Fasusi getting his asswhipped on a snap by snap basis. We talked about this in this thread before the season, but OU and its talking heads were all talking fondly of Fasusi being a monster ahead of the season, as though every 5 star true freshman OL can play like Kelvin Banks. Fasusi needed time and the fact that they were going to count on him was going to be a problem. We were right, they were wrong. 

-Fodje played exclusively at RT. The guy is a Guard. They're absolutely fucked on their OL, and I don't see that changing after this season. 

-OU registered one sack. While they blitzed a majority of the game, they struggled to get pressure and got home just once. 

-They tried to get Mateer to be something he's not, which is a downfield passer. It failed laughably with zero completion beyond 20 yards on 9 attempts. Mateer has 7 TDs and 6 INTs through 7 games played. The national media is still speaking of this guy as a potential Heisman winning player. If you've watched this guy at all, you know that that is utter nonsense. He's a mid-tier P4 QB at best. 

-The young CBs played really well in this game. Their experienced and hyped safeties? They did not play well. Peyton Bowen is turning into another 5 star disappointment for OU. He's not a bust in the sense that he's a proven starter for them, but he is not the dynamic playmaker that earned him the 5 star ranking coming out of HS. 

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Overall offensive grades

 

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Xavier Robinson: 78.6

Isaiah Sategna: 66.7

Tory Blaylock: 66.4

Eddy Pierre-Louis: 65.1

Jake Maikkula: 64.2

Deion Burks: 62.0

Febechi Nwaiwu: 61.1

Carson Kent: 61.0

Kaden Helms: 60.8

Whitt Newbauer: 60.0

Heath Ozaeta: 59.7

Zion Kearney: 58.9

Elijah Thomas: 58.5

Jer'Michael Carter: 58.1

Michael Fasusi: 57.6

Jaren Kanak: 57.5

Ivan Carreon: 57.0

Ryan Fodje: 56.6

John Mateer: 53.3

Javonnie Gibson: 49.2

Snap counts (67 offensive plays)

 

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Quarterback

John Mateer: 66

Whitt Newbauer: 1

Running back

Xavier Robinson: 42

Tory Blaylock: 24

Wide receiver

Deion Burks: 66

Javonnie Gibson: 63

Isaiah Sategna: 60

Ivan Carreon: 3

Jer'Michael Carter: 2

Zion Kearney: 1

Elijah Thomas: 1

Tight end

Jaren Kanak: 37

Kaden Helms: 29

Carson Kent: 7

Left tackle

Michael Fasusi: 67

Left guard

Eddy Pierre-Louis: 45

Heath Ozaeta: 22

Center

Jake Maikkula: 67

Right guard

Febechi Nwaiwu: 67

Right tackle

Ryan Fodje: 67

Advanced stats

 

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Average depth of target (yards)

Elijah Thomas: 44.0

Javonnie Gibson: 15.8

Isaiah Sategna: 15.2

Deion Burks: 7.2

Jaren Kanak: 6.3

Xavier Robinson: 2.5

Tory Blaylock: minus-3.0

Pressure rate

John Mateer: 38.5% (15-of-39 dropbacks)

Yards after contact

Xavier Robinson: 84

John Mateer: 12

Tory Blaylock: 10

Catches/targets

Xavier Robinson: 100% (2/2)

Tory Blaylock: 100% (1/1)

Deion Burks: 80% (4/5)

Jaren Kanak: 75% (3/4)

Isaiah Sategna: 54.5% (6/11)

Javonnie Gibson: 25% (1/4)

Elijah Thomas: 0% (0/1)

Other offensive notes

 

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-- Oklahoma's wide receivers/tight ends/running backs did not have a dropped pass against Ole Miss.

-- Oklahoma forced four missed tackles in the run game, two by John Mateer and one apiece by Xavier Robinson and Tory Blaylock.

-- Oklahoma had just two runs of 10-plus yards: Robinson's 65-yard touchdown and Mateer's 16-yard keeper down the right sideline.

-- After attempting just one downfield pass against South Carolina a week ago, Mateer had more pass attempts 20-plus yards beyond the line of scrimmage against Ole Miss. He had nine attempts on deep balls, but his only completion was the 39-yarder to Isaiah Sategna in the first quarter. Mateer completed just 2-of-4 passes in the intermediate passing game (throws between 10 and 19 yards downfield), with one of those completions resulting in Sategna's 76-yard touchdown. He was most efficient in the short game, completing 9-of-10 passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, totaling 60 yards on those attempts. He was also 5-of-5 for 33 yards on throws behind the line of scrimmage.

-- Mateer's averaged depth of target against Ole Miss was 12 yards downfield, which was his highest of the season, as Oklahoma made a concerted effort to push the ball downfield more in the passing game (to mixed results). That came after he had a season-low ADOT of 4 yards a week ago against South Carolina.

-- Eight of Mateer's 17 completions resulted in a first down or touchdown — his fewest of the season and his first time without double-digit pass attempts producing first downs or scores.

-- Mateer did not have any turnover-worthy throws, per PFF, after having eight combined in his first two starts post-surgery. He also made one Big-Time Throw (the 39-yard completion to Sategna) — his first since before injuring his throwing hand.

-- Mateer's adjusted completion rate of 60.7% against Ole Miss was his worst of the season, despite no dropped passes by receivers and just two throwaways. Mateer was simply off-target with several of his passes, particularly in the second half.

-- Oklahoma receivers had four contested catches on seven contested throws. Deion Burks was 2-for-2 on contested catch opportunities, while Jaren Kanak was 1-of-1 and Sategna was just 1-of-4.

-- Oklahoma's offensive linemen were not credited with giving up any of the three sacks Mateer took Saturday, and the unit allowed seven total hurries. The quarterback's average time to throw was also his highest of the season (3.25 seconds).

-- Febechi Nwaiwu continues to be stellar in pass protection. He had an 88.5 pass-blocking grade and now has a 91.1 overall pass-blocking grade on the season while giving up two total pressures on 290 pass-blocking opportunities. His 91.1 pass-blocking grade this season is fifth among FBS guards. Heath Ozaeta and Eddy Pierre-Louis, who split time at left guard, finished with 82.1 and 81.0 pass-blocking grades, respectively.

-- Oklahoma's two highest-graded run blocks against Ole Miss were tight end Kaden Helms (71.2) and center Jake Maikkula (64.8).

-- Fasusi had the worst pass-blocking grade of the day for OU once again, with a 48.8. He allowed a team-high three pressures and was also called for a holding penalty. Maikkula had the second-lowest pass-blocking grade of the group at 56.6.

-- Ryan Fodje, making his first career start at right tackle, had a 65.1 pass-blocking grade (with two pressures allowed) and a 50.4 run-blocking grade.

-- Mateer was blitzed on just seven of his 39 dropbacks (17.9%) and completed 3-of-5 passes for 43 yards when Ole Miss sent an extra defender. When the Rebels did not blitz (which was 82.1% of his dropbacks), Mateer was just 14-of-27 (51.9% completions) for 180 yards and a touchdown.

Overall defensive grades

 

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Gracen Halton: 74.8

David Stone: 74.6

Courtland Guillory: 73.7

Eli Bowen: 72.5

Kendal Daniels: 72.3

Owen Heinecke: 69.3

Jayden Jackson: 67.7

R Mason Thomas: 66.3

Kip Lewis: 66.2

Jacobe Johnson: 65.1

Markus Strong: 64.3

Michael Boganowski: 64.0

Sammy Omosigho: 62.4

Devon Jordan: 61.9

Marvin Jones Jr.: 60.7

Danny Okoye: 59.8

Adepoju Adebawore: 59.4

Kobie McKinzie: 55.1

Robert Spears-Jennings: 54.7

Peyton Bowen: 54.5

Jaydan Hardy: 54.2

Reggie Powers III: 52.6

Taylor Wein: 52.6

Damonic Williams: 52.1

Snap counts (92 defensive plays)

 

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Defensive end/edge

R Mason Thomas: 79

Taylor Wein: 48

Marvin Jones Jr.: 36

Adepoju Adebawore: 18

Gracen Halton: 8

David Stone: 7

Jayden Jackson: 7

Danny Okoye: 4

Damonic Williams: 2

Markus Strong: 1

Defensive tackle

David Stone: 31

Gracen Halton: 29

Jayden Jackson: 28

Damonic Williams: 28

Markus Strong: 6

Nose tackle

David Stone: 11

Jayden Jackson: 9

Damonic Williams: 9

Gracen Halton: 6

Markus Strong: 2

Linebacker

Kip Lewis: 72

Owen Heinecke: 62

Kendal Daniels: 60 (Cheetah)

Reggie Powers III: 35 (Cheetah)

Sammy Omosigho: 34

Kobie McKinzie: 15

Cornerback

Courtland Guillory: 79

Eli Bowen: 75

Devon Jordan: 16

Jacobe Johnson: 12

Safety

Peyton Bowen: 78

Robert Spears-Jennings: 73

Michael Boganowski: 18

Jaydan Hardy: 14

Advanced stats

 

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Solo stops (individual play that constitutes offensive failure)

Kip Lewis: 6

Jayden Jackson: 4

Owen Heinecke: 3

Kendal Daniels: 3

David Stone: 2

Eli Bowen: 2

Taylor Wein: 2

R Mason Thomas: 2

Courtland Guillory: 1

Reggie Powers III: 1

Sammy Omosigho: 1

Marvin Jones Jr.: 1

Kobie McKinzie: 1

Robert Spears-Jennings: 1

Gracen Halton: 1

Pressures

R Mason Thomas: 3

Damonic Williams: 2

Jaydan Hardy: 1

Taylor Wein: 1

Sammy Omosigho: 1

Marvin Jones Jr. 1

Owen Heinecke: 1

Kip Lewis: 1

Gracen Halton: 1

Reception rate (catches allowed/targets)

Kip Lewis: 100% (3/3)

Reggie Powers III: 100% (2/2)

Devon Jordan: 100% (1/1)

Michael Boganowski: 100% (1/1)

Jacobe Johnson: 100% (1/1)

Kobie McKinzie: 100% (1/1)

Peyton Bowen: 80% (4/5)

Owen Heinecke: 60% (3/5)

Robert Spears-Jennings: 50% (3/6)

Eli Bowen: 50% (2/4)

Courtland Guillory: 25% (2/8)

Other defensive notes

 

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-- Oklahoma had 12 total pressures against Ole Miss, which was the team's fewest since the season opener against Illinois State (11).

-- Oklahoma had a season-high 18 missed tackles against Ole Miss. Over the last three weeks, the Sooners have missed 42 tackles. Eli Bowen (three), Owen Heinecke (two) and Kip Lewis (two) each had multiple missed tackles against the Rebels.

-- Ole Miss running back Kewan Lacy forced nine missed tackles (his fourth game with at least that many this season), while quarterback Trinidad Chambliss forced four missed tackles.

-- Marvin Jones Jr. was the only Oklahoma player to register a sack (R Mason Thomas had one negated by an offside penalty). Thomas led the defense with three total pressures, while Damonic Williams had two.

-- Courtland Guillory was stellar in coverage in his first start since the Kent State game. He allowed two receptions for 7 yards on eight targets, with three pass breakups. Guillory's 74.8 coverage grade was fourth among FBS cornerbacks in Week 9, while his three forced incompletions were second in the nation.

-- In fact, both of Oklahoma's starting corners were stout in coverage. Eli Bowen posted a 76.2 coverage grade against Ole Miss, which was the third-highest in college football this weekend. Bowen allowed two receptions for 12 yards on four targets in coverage.

-- Oklahoma blitzed Chambliss at a high rate, with Brent Venables sending additional defenders on 59.6 of Chambliss' dropbacks (28 of his 47 dropbacks). Chambliss completed 13-of-27 passes for 153 yards and a touchdown when blitzed.

-- Oklahoma got pressure on Chambliss on just 12 of his 47 dropbacks (25.5%), but on those plays Chambliss completed just 4-of-9 passes for 24 yards, with an average depth of target of 5.4 yards downfield. When Chambliss was kept clean, he completed 20-of-35 passes for 291 yards and a touchdown, with an average depth of target of 8.9 yards.

-- Chambliss was 3-of-7 passing for 93 yards on throws 20-plus yards downfield. He was 3-of-5 for 86 yards on intermediate pass attempts (throws between 10 and 19 yards downfield).

-- Owen Heinecke had OU's highest pass-rush grade (68.3 on 14 pass-rush opportunities), followed by Gracen Halton (67.7 on 26 opportunities).

-- David Stone (79.5) and Jayden Jackson (78.2) had the best run defense grades on Oklahoma's defense, followed by Thomas (77.8), Kip Lewis (74.3) and Halton (72.9).

 

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13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The national media is still speaking of this guy as a potential Heisman winning player.

They really are.  I hear nothing but excuses that he's not healthy still.  He's plenty healthy, he just doesn't have it mentally.  I guess they're trying to CYA after all their early season praise.

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He looked real bad on the last few series of the game.  He would have ended up throwing an interception if he hadn't been throwing the ball a yard or 2 above everyone's head.

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1 hour ago, Scholz said:

They really are.  I hear nothing but excuses that he's not healthy still.  He's plenty healthy, he just doesn't have it mentally.  I guess they're trying to CYA after all their early season praise.

This.  One of the national shows this morning talking about "he's just not who he was pre-injury".  I had the same reaction. Do we know that?  Because pre-injury he played a bunch of hero ball and padded stats against shitty opponents.  I think much more likely this is just who he is.   A decent, not great, college QB that is failing against good opponents (and it doesn't help that his line sucks ass, much like ours).  It's pretty amazing how much better he is perceived nationally compared to Arch right now.  

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1 hour ago, Scholz said:

They really are.  I hear nothing but excuses that he's not healthy still.  He's plenty healthy, he just doesn't have it mentally.  I guess they're trying to CYA after all their early season praise.

Offseason review of his , and his OCs, play at Wazzu suggested they struggled against teams with a decent defense. 

I'm not sure what's up with all the excuses this season, this seems to be tracking for what they were capable at the time which is still a whole level better than where they were 

 

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