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2 minutes ago, Aly said:

Fair point. These are all his highly rated guys and trained in his system. For an offensive savant, this output is concerning

It was one meh game when his QB looked like he was point shaving. 

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

For the next 3 games, we should do the exact opposite of this. Arch needs as many dropback passing reps as possible. Don't lean on the run game at all. We've got to fix the passing attack.

 

100% this. I’m sure we will. 

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Yesterday is exactly what we saw when he had one drive against uga at home. The only thing that worked was his scrambling. He’s too inexperienced right now for the big time. Hopefully we get there with him over the course of the season. 

He had most likely zero real prep for that uga game.
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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

I always think a little differently the day after a loss. The day of a loss I’m too emotionally attached to it. 

So with a day to process what we saw yesterday, I honestly believe none of us understand the situation we face. It could be that Manning is way over-rated. Or not. It could be Sark’s ceiling. Or not. It could just be a bad game. Or not. It could be a team of over-rated players. Or not.  It’s impossible to tell what’s really going on right now because it’s so baffling. Just like the Ewers era was baffling. 

What I do know is that for the first time in the Sark era there is a question about whether he’s capable of long-term success. Nine months ago that would have been a crazy proposition. But when you have two number 1 generational talent QB’s look as bad as they have, it raises questions. 

Sark better get this shit under control at the QB position or the reputation and goodwill he’s built up over many years as a QB whisperer will flush down the drain. That would be bad. 

He better pay PK whatever he needs to stay.  the horrible offensive displays against the opponents you need to beat to win NC's are being masked by the D keeping us within one or 2 scores while his offenses shit the bed everywhere.

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1 minute ago, Jkwellborn said:


He had most likely zero real prep for that uga game.

And yet that drive and yesterday were still very similar. 

What’s my take?

he’s young, inexperienced and the game hasn’t slowed down for him yet, especially against elite defenses that can scheme. 

honestly, not surprising to me at all. 

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9 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

For the next 3 games, we should do the exact opposite of this. Arch needs as many dropback passing reps as possible. Don't lean on the run game at all. We've got to fix the passing attack.

this

for the next month once we are up 2 scores on every 1st down run a goal-to-goal scheme and empty the not-off-tackle not-sneak section of the playbook

yes, keep the derivative versions of base plays off film

screens, sweeps, pitch outs, jump passes, hot routes, over and over and over at least 8-10 plays a game regardless of where we are on the field

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I don't really understand some of the criticisms of the game plan and scheme that's floating  around out there. 

Arch just missed some easy throws, his timing and mechanics were terrible. The plays were there. Hell the very first play I am sure was called to get Arch comfortable, would have been a 20 yard gain, and he put it at Moore's feet.

Arch will be fine and so will the offense.

 

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Arch better show he can make easy throws that a competent QB should make.  I don't want to waste another top 5 defense because of QB play.  Fuck that bullshit.  2 years to marinate and he shits down his pants ala Hudson Card vs Arkansas.  You think boosters are willing to fork up for a 30-40m roster just to see the offense play like retards? Fuck that.  Next man up.

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30 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

For the next 3 games, we should do the exact opposite of this. Arch needs as many dropback passing reps as possible. Don't lean on the run game at all. We've got to fix the passing attack.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

I’d argue the next 3 games are the perfect situation to fix his throwing and give him confidence before Florida. I’m not sure I’d “take the load off” during these next few games. You use them to iron out the shit we saw from yesterday.

Yes, I agree for the next three games against the tomato cans. Get Arch game reps throwing the basics and build up his confidence. I was thinking more about the SEC schedule and playoffs if we get there.  We should be working towards an offense whose identity is running the ball and not putting the whole game on Arch’s shoulders. We have a great defense and punter, some very good RB’s, and a solid o-line.  Arch doesn’t need to be Superman. 

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50 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

This tracks with how I feel.  Outside of a couple of key plays, we are the equal or even outplay Georgia and Ohio State level teams.  But so far we have come up short on those key plays in every game against top talent since 2023 Alabama.

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3 minutes ago, Yesh said:

This tracks with how I feel.  Outside of a couple of key plays, we are the equal or even outplay Georgia and Ohio State level teams.  But so far we have come up short on those key plays in every game against top talent since 2023 Alabama.

QB play and red zone. In every single one of those games. 

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Read some game analysis from several sources.  Sounds like our WR core did indeed struggle to get much separation in the game and they didn’t go very deep into their WR rotation so this is a legit concern granted Ohio State coverage and scheming could prove to be elite.  

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40 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Not surprising. 

We won the trenches battle on both lines. We were the tougher team. We lost because our QB couldn't complete passes and we stupidly tried to battering ram it in from the 1 with the most predictable calls ever that OSU was sitting on. 

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3 minutes ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

Read some game analysis from several sources.  Sounds like our WR core did indeed struggle to get much separation in the game and they didn’t go very deep into their WR rotation so this is a legit concern granted Ohio State coverage and scheming could prove to be elite.  

I think Sark needs to mix some things up. The post/dover concept seems to be DOA against good teams. They are scouting to take it away

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Just now, Hermanator said:

Not surprising. 

We won the trenches battle on both lines. We were the tougher team. We lost because our QB couldn't complete passes and we stupidly tried to battering ram it in from the 1 with the most predictable calls ever that OSU was sitting on. 

Lost QB being brutal for 3Qs. He did make some good throws in the 4Q, but to little too late. The other big reason is Texas is a sloppy team. You get in rock fights like this game and a penalty here and there are meaningful. That and OSU made the critical plays 

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34 minutes ago, gurt said:

Until proven otherwise I am just going to assume that we will lose to the teams with the same talent level as us.

Which- the point is- is only arguably 1 other team on the schedule 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Yesh said:

This tracks with how I feel.  Outside of a couple of key plays, we are the equal or even outplay Georgia and Ohio State level teams.  But so far we have come up short on those key plays in every game against top talent since 2023 Alabama.

That’s funny- I posted on another thread looking at the box score that’s a game you figure you’d win 8 out of 10 times. 

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think Sark needs to mix some things up. The post/dover concept seems to be DOA against good teams. They are scouting to take it away

It seemed to me like an earlier thrown, farther outside throw completes that ball or at least gives Moore a chance to make a play.  But yeah the window was tighter.  Ewers typically threw that ball before the break.  He was great at the timing and that was part of why it worked.

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1 minute ago, ClubWhatever said:

It seemed to me like an earlier thrown, farther outside throw completes that ball or at least gives Moore a chance to make a play.  But yeah the window was tighter.  Ewers typically threw that ball before the break.  He was great at the timing and that was part of why it worked.

I believe you talking about the first play. Arch just missed that, not sure anything else needs to be said on that. 
 

Lot of Texas explosives are that post/diver concept.  Just noticing that backside safety is turning fast looking for that over. Georgia and OSU have taken that core Sark concept away. 

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Just now, Codaxx said:

I believe you talking about the first play. Arch just missed that, not sure anything else needs to be said on that. 
 

Lot of Texas explosives are that post/diver concept.  Just noticing that backside safety is turning fast looking for that over. Georgia and OSU have taken that core Sark concept away. 

I was talking about the interception.  Was that not the post/diver concept?

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9 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

I was talking about the interception.  Was that not the post/diver concept?

I have to go back and look at that. someone was saying the was a bad adjust by Wingo. I am not exactly sure why, so take that with a grain of salt 

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3 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I still expect this team to at worst lose 3 games and at best lose 2 games.  I won't believe they can beat a top 5 team with Sark until I see it so that means Georgia is the only team left on our schedule we should lose to.  I think that loss was more on Sark than Arch.  Yeah, Arch missed way too many easy throws (the ones on the last drive were brutally bad) but he only had one interception and no fumbles.  The pick he threw was on their 30-yard line or something so it's not like he turned it over and gave them amazing field position.  We watched Ewers literally give the other team double digit points a game when he played bad.  The entire game plan in the first half looked like a Greg Davis afraid to call explosive plays and settle for the punt strategy.   Seemed like most of our runs were up the middle, no screens, no trickery, no motion, no gadget plays.  It looked like a game plan for when you play Sam Houston State the week before you play OU or something like that. 

My biggest pet peeve with Sark is that no matter what he calls on first down (run or pass), if the play doesn't work and it is second and long, he will call a run play up the middle like 99% of the time.  Even if that play gets 3 yards you are left with 3rd and long and that is why drives consistently stall.  You can't expect to convert third downs all day long.  Eventually you have to try and throw beyond the sticks or get some run plays that get you a first down on first or second down and that seems to be a struggle for the way Sark calls a game.    

Has the Texas fanbase collectively forgot the Alabama win two years ago?

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27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Lost QB being brutal for 3Qs. He did make some good throws in the 4Q, but to little too late. The other big reason is Texas is a sloppy team. You get in rock fights like this game and a penalty here and there are meaningful. That and OSU made the critical plays 

Apart from the red zone dumbfuckery (which if fixed is enough to win it all the last two years), I think this is the next problem to fix. Elite teams beat great teams on just a couple of plays. Texas is losing a couple of plays per game against elite teams. We have great talent and a great culture but elite culture knows any play, any block, any penalty, any missed fundamental can be the difference between the trophy and throwing helmets in the locker room when the season is over. We don’t know this just quite yet. It’s the last piece and it’s the hardest one. As an aging rec athlete I can say being ultra focused and executing your job on every single play is nearly impossible but in big time competitive sports it’s everything. Putting aside sark’s red zone dumbfuckery, we are almost there. 

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Every team that plays Ohio State close comes away bitching about red zone play calling. That's their trademark going back years, they seem to revel in getting pushed to the brink then they lock it down. I think it's why you so often see them on the score scroll beating some mediocre team 13-6 in the 3rd quarter before they pull away.

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5 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Every team that plays Ohio State close comes away bitching about red zone play calling. That's their trademark going back years, they seem to revel in getting pushed to the brink then they lock it down. I think it's why you so often see them on the score scroll beating some mediocre team 13-6 in the 3rd quarter before they pull away.

are you a buckeye fan? This is a known problem with sark. And where is your buddy James? 

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5 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Aggy and sooners both look like ass…so who cares

Yeah yeah. They looked like ass, but they're 1-0 and we're 0-1. /satya

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Which- the point is- is only arguably 1 other team on the schedule 

It doesn’t concern you that we appear condemned to always be close to the mountaintop but never reach it? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not gonna disdain a 10-2 season after a decade of mediocrity but at some point it would be nice to have the conviction that we might actually win it all.
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14 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Every team that plays Ohio State close comes away bitching about red zone play calling. That's their trademark going back years, they seem to revel in getting pushed to the brink then they lock it down. I think it's why you so often see them on the score scroll beating some mediocre team 13-6 in the 3rd quarter before they pull away.

You're partly right - I'm thinking of Penn State damn near every game for the past decade, but also every other decent Big Ten team at some point, and us in the Cotton Bowl and yesterday. If we tried play action or something, Arch would have a defender wrapped around him before he picked his head up. Going grown ass man on them was probably the best strategy, but NOT in the form of a tush push with q QB who squats a-buck-eighty or whatever 

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

I agree, I hope we structure our 2026/2027 non-conference with Ohio State and Michigan to be game 2, not game 1 

That’s the case. 

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22 minutes ago, gurt said:


It doesn’t concern you that we appear condemned to always be close to the mountaintop but never reach it? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not gonna disdain a 10-2 season after a decade of mediocrity but at some point it would be nice to have the conviction that we might actually win it all.

I actually had that until 11:15 Saturday morning.

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32 minutes ago, gurt said:


It doesn’t concern you that we appear condemned to always be close to the mountaintop but never reach it? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not gonna disdain a 10-2 season after a decade of mediocrity but at some point it would be nice to have the conviction that we might actually win it all.

Balls bounce funny ways. Get there enough times and it will bounce your way eventually. 
 

Posted
1 hour ago, The Ace of Aces said:

I do have one concern. We looked slow as shit. 

No one ever got separation.  

That's the fastest or second fastest secondary in the country. Calm down. 

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I needed time to chew on that game and something to do on my flight this morning. As John Holmes said, “sorry for the length.” First, Ewers left some big shoes to fill. I bet he slept like a baby last night in his fancy Miami high-rise overlooking the beach. God bless him. But credit to Manning for a much better second half. Dude was dropping dimes. The throw to the TE (we didn’t see enough of them) down the left sideline was as precise as it needed to be—over the coverage and in front of a fast-closing safety. Pinpoint. Both TD throws were also gorgeous, but only one of them was caught. We were a gnat’s pube from beating the defending national champ and No. 3 team in the country, in their house. And OSU still has an elite defense, and Ohio Stadium is as hostile as it gets for a first road start.

Second, Sarkisian didn’t do Manning many favors yesterday. Ryan Day protected his QB with three-step drops and quick throws—elaborate stunts and blitzing were effectively negated—while Sark schemed as if Ewers were still under center (Ewers would’ve hung 4 TDs on OSU yesterday). Sark leaned too much on Manning: Manning’s arm, and Manning’s legs especially. It showed. Manning pressed, he forced throws into coverage, he didn’t check down, and as a result missed wide-open options—e.g., on 3rd and goal, when Wisner went in motion and no defender followed. And on the overruled interception, where he had Moore uncovered short left, and after the throw Moore just sort of throws his hands in the air like, “What the f*ck?” That said, anyone saying Manning “sucks” either had unrealistic expectations to begin with, drinks burnt-orange Kool-Aid, or just mindlessly bought into the ESPN/Finebaum hype. My opinion—and just my opinion—is that Finebaum is not a friend of the program. I advise taking what he says with a heavy dose of “why would he be saying that?”

Third, the receivers struggled to separate, and frankly, there’s not a “go-to guy”—not yet. By the time Sark finally got around to scheming them open, it was early in the 4th quarter (or maybe that was just Patricia playing it safe). The OL was solid. The freshman RT is very good but got beat a couple of times by a straight-up bullrush, and the new starter at LG is a dominant run blocker—Texas could have run behind him at will, which makes the failed QB sneaks even more frustrating. The lone obvious missed assignment I’m aware of - and some would argue I’m not aware of much - was on the final snap when someone didn’t hear a call to slide over and pick up the blitz. Running backs both had great days: 166 total yards, and Wisner clearly hasn’t missed a beat. If the plan was to soften them up with Baxter and then hit them with Wisner when they were a step slow, it worked. I’m still happy and shocked Baxter is back at all, based on what I had heard about his injury and the surgery this time last year.

Fourth, defensively, Texas really has an outstanding defense, but a pair of silly penalties ruined a near-perfect day by helping OSU extend scoring drives. Otherwise, they were a jump ball away from shutting them out. The negated safety was a turning point, shifting the game from “we have a chance” to “we are so f*cking snake-bit today.” Seeing two true freshmen enter the game early (Jackson and Littleton) was a nice surprise.

Bottom line: Sarkisian finally adjusted. The uptempo pace, putting people in motion pre-snap, and the tweaks to receiver routes—it worked. For the record, I don’t have a problem with Sark going for it on 4th down instead of taking the points. That’s who he is. My issue is with his decisions on first, second, and third down. He needs to stop calling the first three plays like he has the luxury of a foolproof fourth-down play in his back pocket. He clearly doesn’t, and for me, that mentality is the source of our problems in the red zone. Way too conservative play-calling all day, especially over the first three quarters. Nothing to help get Manning into a rhythm. He bounced the first pass of the game on a designed-to-be-easy roll to the right, and Sark immediately graduated him to difficult, advanced throws. It’s exactly what happened to me with Spanish 3.

All in all, Sark eventually figured it out, and Manning looked much better after he did. We got the ball back with 2 minutes left, and OCSpur and I were actually discussing whether to go for 2 points and the win, 15-14. I would never have imagined that conversation an hour or two earlier. You could hear the sphincters tightening of the douchebags that had just been chanting “SEC! SEC!” minutes earlier.

Despite three or four new starters, the offensive line looks like a strength, the defense is as good as advertised, and the new punter is an absolute weapon. 

They have 35 days to sort it out. The game in Florida may well make or break the season. Win and we likely go 10-2. Lose and it’s 9-3. They’d still make the playoff, but the Aggies might be the last home game of the season.

Scattershooting re Ohio State:

With the 9-game conference schedule, that may have been our last trip to Columbus, which is a shame. I love watching Script “Ohio,” and “Carmen Ohio” at the end of the game is the only thing in college football that comes close to touching “The Eyes of Texas.”

Lastly: OSU will not win the Big Ten with that QB. 

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3 hours ago, TornACL said:

I don't really understand some of the criticisms of the game plan and scheme that's floating  around out there. 

Arch just missed some easy throws, his timing and mechanics were terrible. The plays were there. Hell the very first play I am sure was called to get Arch comfortable, would have been a 20 yard gain, and he put it at Moore's feet.

Arch will be fine and so will the offense.

 

i'd argue the game plan and scheme criticisms are mostly due to the constant red zone ineptitude. this falls on Sark 

arch having terrible mechanics and timing falls on milwee and thus Sark, since we aren't even sure what milwee really does 

 

 

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