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Things not going well in Venezuela

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  • Carrizo Chorizo
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    Trump has focused heavily on foreign policy to his own detriment. I wish he would focus more domestically, but what can I do? Let's go way back to January 2025. What was one of the first big push

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    We need the War Crimes tribunal to send the dotard a fake letter asking him to show up in The Hague to receive his Nobel Peace Prize like the cops do with  free TVs for crooks with outstanding warrant

  • Carrizo Chorizo
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    Yeah, those people are losers. And if you thought the Epstein files got him into office then I don't know what to tell you.  He's doing such a great job of distracting from it that everyone

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well, glad i went to Aruba and Puerto Rico last fall 😕

wtf are we even doing

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

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AP has photographs

At least 7 explosions and low-flying aircraft are heard in Venezuela's Caracas | AP News

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Pedestrians running after hearing explosions.

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That just does not seem like much of an attack to me. This whole thing is fucking weird, @RPM you're up late posting about it, you feel this is the real deal?

Real deal as in we bombed them? Yep. I don't see invasion or anything like that. Trump is playing a video game.

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2 hours ago, mchookem said:

well, glad i went to Aruba and Puerto Rico last fall 😕

wtf are we even doing

Diverting attention away from the Epstein files.

2 hours ago, RPM said:

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Fuck this mother fucker.

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If this is actually happening, somebody must have seen something in the Epstein files that we haven't seen yet.

Ukrainian drones?

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1 hour ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

What in the absolute fuck did I just wake up to?

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Just got off the phone with @SecRubio

He informed me that Nicolás Maduro has been arrested by U.S. personnel to stand trial on criminal charges in the United States, and that the kinetic action we saw tonight was deployed to protect and defend those executing the arrest warrant

This action likely falls within the president’s inherent authority under Article II of the Constitution to protect U.S. personnel from an actual or imminent attack

Thank you, @SecRubio, for keeping me apprised

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Kind of crazy, we can go invade another country to kidnap their president and put him on trial - BUT - it would be the gReAtEsT iNjUsTiCe to have an American president stand trial for his crimes?

Jack Smith's recent congressional testimony is infuriating, especially compounded with all the Epstein files fuckery and child sex trafficking out of Mara Lago

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Kind of crazy, we can go invade another country to kidnap their president and put him on trial

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South American regime change operations have a long history of success without blowback. This is all going to turn out fine.

Several contradictory things are simultaneously true:

1. Maduro was an oppressive, unpopular and illegitimate ruler, disastrous for his country and the region.

2. Using the US to remove him may have been equally illegitimate.

3. Venezuela would be better off with a new government under the opposition's Edmundo Gonzalez (who probably won the presidential election but is now exiled).

4. It's not clear that Maduro will be replaced by Gonzalez. Maduro's VP is still apparently in power, as are other regime figures and the Cubans who back them.

5. As we've seen in Iraq and Libya, it can be easier to topple a leader than to establish a new government; sometimes you get a worse leader, or Somalia-style chaos.

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Much lighter language than I would have anticipated. Giving the Monroe doctrine some room to breathe?

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Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Have we taken over the govt, or was the objective to capture Maduro?

Maduro’s VP is in charge.

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This is the first I remember Ana even mildly condemning anything trump has done to this point in regard to Venezuela. Not a peep over the last several months as they've vaporized boats and people in the Atlantic and Pacific. Nothing when they seized oil tankers. Now just a timid both sides, we've always done this kind of thing as they nab a foreign head of state for a show trial and take control of some of the world's largest oil reserves in the process. It'll be the same when we invade Greenland and years from now, he'll be insisting he was always clearly and openly against all our new wars of conquest.

It hurts to laugh this hard before I’ve had at least a breakfast taco and some coffee.

Nicolas Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, have been indicted in the Southern District of New York. Nicolas Maduro has been charged with Narco-Terrorism Conspiracy, Cocaine Importation Conspiracy, Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices against the United States. They will soon face the full wrath of American justice on American soil in American courts. On behalf of the entire U.S. DOJ, I would like to thank President Trump for having the courage to demand accountability on behalf of the American People, and a huge thank you to our brave military who conducted the incredible and highly successful mission to capture these two alleged international narco traffickers.

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Have we taken over the govt, or was the objective to capture Maduro?

I'm pretty sure it's just a thuggish display of power and force to satisfy the child molester in the oval office. Dude needs any and every distraction from his heinous history

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It hurts to laugh this hard before I’ve had at least a breakfast taco and some coffee.

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Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices

So I live in Williamson County and early this morning (3-4 am) get series of texts and calls saying to shelter in place. Then 7 am another flurry of texts and calls saying situation is resolved. I still have zero idea what the incident was. Anyway I don’t have glasses on so I also get a text saying we have captured Marduro and I was half awake going “he was in Williamson County?” 😂 that’s all I have to contribute.

Carry on. Love to hear @atomheartbevo take on Marduro’s capture as he’s kept this thread going a couple of years.

If this is true, the closest comparison for the Venezuela operation isn't Iraq but Panama. In both cases, the invasion was portrayed as a police action to capture a head of state to stand trial in the US for drug trafficking. Operation Just Cause, unlike Operation Iraqi Freedom, is seen in US defense circles as a success, a quick operation that did not result in a prolonged occupation or bloody insurgency. It also succeeded in installing Guillermo Endara - the opposition leader who won the annulled 1989 elections - as president, and dismantling the Panama Defense Forces entirely.

There are reasons why this comparison doesn't work, however. Unlike Venezuela, Panama already had a major US military presence as the then-headquarters of Southcom, with over 10,000 troops already on Panamanian soil before the invasion, who could guarantee a transition of government and US-friendly administration after. It's also much smaller and was exclusively under the thumb of the US from its founding. Venezuela is much larger, has oil, and closer relations with other foreign powers, notably China. Its military is democratically unaccountable, has vast powers beyond national defense, and is rich from oil rents and criminal activities. It's hard to see how Venezuela transitions to a democratic, opposition-run government without either the FANB's buy-in, or dismantling. And it's hard to see how those things are secured by a smash-and-grab operation that appears to already be over.

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Much better presidents and administrations (I.e. all of them), have failed at these endeavors before.

Also, how you you charge weapons offenses that occur outside the US. I'm sure Bondi's DOJ has this sewed up.

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2 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

And it's hard to see how those things are secured by a smash-and-grab operation that appears to already be over.

Smash-and-grab seems to be a pretty good description of the illegal act of war we took last night

Just now, Captainant said:

Smash-and-grab seems to be a pretty good description of the illegal act of war we took last night

But Maduro allegedly conspired to own machine guns, so who really needs to follow protocol???

Trump just said in an interview that there were injuries but no deaths of US troops. A helicopter was hit. Also said this was planned to occur 4 days ago but the weather wasn't favorable. Maduro was in a "highly guarded fortress" with "steel doors" that had to be "blow torched". He was trying to get into a safe room in the house but didn't make it into there.

Said Maudro has very little support but also would say he supports Machado. Trump said "well they have a vice president as well..." but said "we cannot take a chance of someone else taking control of the country" (implying someone else like Maduro). Trump said he didn't know about the Chinese delegates, and that the US military built mock-ups of the house Maduro was in.

Trump spoke personally with Maduro a couple of times, including about a week ago. Maduro and his wife are now on the USS Iwo Jima.

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It’s very possible this erodes the credibility of the FIFA Peace Prize.

Well shit, there goes my Saturday.

Reports are he surrendered. Speaking with Machado people. Internet is up in Venezuela. No Civilians hit.

Shit is about to get interesting in Latin America. Watch your ass Ortega.

@atomheartbevo is your feeling on this that this was sort of Rubio’s brainchild? I read a ton of different sources (true crime habit) and that seems to be the consensus. Do we then install the Nobel Peace Prize winner Machado? Also what happened to the Chinese delegation that was there? I assume China and Russia aren’t down with any of this. Was the idea to capture the oil to gain leverage over Russia? In negotiations? Because everything I’m reading says this was Rubio’s idea?

2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

@atomheartbevo is your feeling on this that this was sort of Rubio’s brainchild? I read a ton of different sources (true crime habit) and that seems to be the consensus. Do we then install the Nobel Peace Prize winner Machado? Also what happened to the Chinese delegation that was there? I assume China and Russia aren’t down with any of this. Was the idea to capture the oil to gain leverage over Russia? In negotiations? Because everything I’m reading says this was Rubio’s idea?

This is Rubio. But the goal is not Venezuela. It is Cuba, Haiti, etc, and keeping China out. Watch Machado. She is going to be speaking in a bit. That woman has cojones.

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

This is Rubio. But the goal is not Venezuela. It is Cuba, Haiti, etc, and keeping China out. Watch Machado. She is going to be speaking in a bit. That woman has cojones.

Yeah I get the Cuba domino that was the inspiration for Rubio’s plan. This is a huge linchpin though so it has massive effect around the world. I love Machado so I would like for her to be able to lead the country but I don’t know if that’s what will happen. It’s hard to know at this point if it will have the ripple effect Rubio believes it will or if it will be a tsunami of shit in the opposite direction what we just did.

7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

@atomheartbevo is your feeling on this that this was sort of Rubio’s brainchild? I read a ton of different sources (true crime habit) and that seems to be the consensus. Do we then install the Nobel Peace Prize winner Machado? Also what happened to the Chinese delegation that was there? I assume China and Russia aren’t down with any of this. Was the idea to capture the oil to gain leverage over Russia? In negotiations? Because everything I’m reading says this was Rubio’s idea?

Ask @InkaUtexas but the whole thing is a joke if he leaves Maduro’s VP in power, which he appears to have done. I think it’s a distraction from Epstein and other stuff.

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Ask @InkaUtexas but the whole thing is a joke if he leaves Maduro’s VP in power, which he appears to have done. I think it’s a distraction from Epstein and other stuff.

Nah, hearing there are things moving to replace the whole lot. This was a negotiated deal, but the VN Army did not want it.

Fall out is going to be real.

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Nah, hearing there are things moving to replace the whole lot. This was a negotiated deal, but the VN Army did not want it.

Fall out is going to be real.

If Trump considers this over, then the VP stays in place.

@speed817 mentioned this in the other thread

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Ask @InkaUtexas but the whole thing is a joke if he leaves Maduro’s VP in power, which he appears to have done. I think it’s a distraction from Epstein and other stuff.

I do think it’s more than a “wag the dog 🐕” deal and we know Congress will do their thing. Meaning Dems will want hearings impeachment etc…but Rubio has wanted this for a long time imo based on what I’ve read. But since it’s done and the genie can’t be put back in the bottle I would assume Machado will be installed bc why allow the VP there to stay? Still no word on the Chinese delegation but maybe they sent Chinese Monks with blow torches? Not ninjas? (Plot of a movie that no one has probably seen but me…if anyone knows what I’m referring to.)

3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I would assume Machado will be installed bc why allow the VP there to stay?

I don’t know how they can put her in power without toppling the VP and the military leadership.

Just now, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Does Trump pardon Maduro?

He's being indicted for cocaine smuggling, so maybe if he makes a bribe to trump he can get a pardon like Juan Hernandez of Honduras

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