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On 11/30/2019 at 2:45 PM, DougO said:

The problem there was they stopped doing what worked, and are still afraid to commit to the run, even though they have committed the most resources to OL and Rb than any timea in the NFL. That's just a stupidass franchise.

"The opponent is gonna be caught off guard every time we pass, because of the shiny, pretty decoys we bought..."

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LOL!   Keeping Maher.  smh.  The ineptitude is hilarious.

Also, if you're wondering why our offense isn't as productive, here's a good tweet about how interrelated the 3 units are and why 2 of them are letting down the other.

 

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After getting off to a 1-5 start in 2018, the Raiders decided to trade former top-five draft pick Amari Cooper to the Dallas Cowboys for a first-round draft pick.

The move almost was universally panned initially, as the Raiders appeared to be starting a rebuild by parting with one of the team's most talented young players.

General manager Mike Mayock utilized that pick to select Mississippi State safety Johnathan Abram, who had a promising preseason before suffering a season-ending injury in Week 1.

It now appears that the Cowboys sent a first-round pick to Oakland for a rental of Cooper, as the team reportedly is looking more and more likely to not be re-signing the wide receiver, CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports citing a source.

The only way it appears the Cowboys could bring back both Cooper and quarterback Dak Prescott would be if they used the franchise tag on one of them.

With Jerry Jones already facing the prospect of having to shell out a fortune to bring Prescott back to America's team, the chances of Dallas retaining both Prescott and Cooper are slim.

Oakland certainly would have appreciated Cooper's services on Sunday however, as the Raiders were drubbed 40-9 in Kansas City and fell to 6-6 on the season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/nfl-rumors-amari-cooper-likely-020303952.html#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

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In case you don't want to click that sources link here it is 

 

While most of the attention around the slumping Cowboys had focused on the future of head coach Jason Garrett, the likelihood of big roster changes for Dallas in 2020 continues to grow as well. Sources said there has been no progress on new deals for a trio of star free agents -- quarterback Dak Prescott, receiver Amari Cooper and corner Byron Jones -- and no talks are anticipated until after the season.

Retaining Prescott remains the primary objective of owner Jerry Jones, but with Prescott's agents playing this out until after the season, and the quarterback compiling career numbers (albeit largely against inferior teams), he is building a case to become the highest-paid quarterback in the game. The scope and magnitude of this deal continues to grow, and the Cowboys will place the franchise tag on him if need be, which is lost on no one involved in any of these negotiations, sources said.

Sources said the only way that Cooper will not hit the market is if the tag is placed on him, but there is obviously only one tag to go around per team. With the receiver market limited by so many top players already signing extensions, and with Prescott set to go from earning less than $5 million in four years to over $33 million a year, the odds of keeping him and Cooper -- without Cooper on the tag -- are slim. The Cowboys and Cooper made no headway the entire offseason, and there is no inclination on his side to do a deal now with free agency so close.

Similarly, there has been no communication between the Cowboys and Jones either, sources said, and no talks are expected. With years of starting experience at safety and corner, Jones, a former first-round pick, is positioned well on the open market and sources said it looks increasingly likely he will be elsewhere in 2020

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Best thing for Dallas would be for Zeke to have another off-field incident so they can invoke his contract's morality clause** and release him.

 

** Don't all NFL contracts include something like that? Such as, if Zeke goes on another bender and starts roughing up security guards, bouncers, or his girlfriend, wouldn't that free up Dallas to cut rope?

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From the files of the really weird... since the infamous black cat ran the field in Jersey right after Halloween no NFL team with a cat mascot (Lions, Bengals, Panthers, Jaguars) won a single game the rest of the month. The Bengals then broke the curse immediately on December 1st. 

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Jason La Canfora never knows what the fuck he is talking about. Even if he ends up being right, that’s a blind squirrel finding a nut.
 

I don’t see any scenario where cooper is gone next year. They’ll pay Dak and franchise tag cooper. If that doesn’t happen, then Jerry really has lost all faith in this roster the way it’s currently constructed. 

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Article about our next HC - Greg Roman. Mentions the Ravens 41-7 sacking of Houston earlier in the year (the same team that dominated New England on Sunday).

https://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/51434/greg-romans-wise-cracking-rise-from-high-school-coach-to-ravens-offensive-guru

If Jones wants to breath new life into the Cowboys... and if he wants to attract stars like Cooper, Roman is the ticket.

Edited by Irish Wrist Watch

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21 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

LOL!   Keeping Maher.  smh.  The ineptitude is hilarious.

Also, if you're wondering why our offense isn't as productive, here's a good tweet about how interrelated the 3 units are and why 2 of them are letting down the other.

 

It has been like this for years and years. The the dumb ass simpletons will continue to blame the offense, mainly the QB. This defense is god awful and so is the special teams. When the offense has to drive the length of the field over and over, it is going to crumble at some point. When the fuck is the special teams ever going to make a play? Be it a good KR or PR. Block a kick. Fuck anything. Even if we just had an average defense, this team would be really good.

Also check out how bad this defense is with this:

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21 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

LOL!   Keeping Maher.  smh.  The ineptitude is hilarious.

There really and truly aren't many options at this point. The Pats have used four kickers this year -- Kai Forbath was picked up off the street and was terrible on Sun night. They're actually waiting -- and hoping -- to get Nick Folk back before the end of the season. Think about that. Maher is wildly inconsistent but he is a weapon in that he can kick 60+ yard field goals. (Of course he misses the 33-yarders for some reason.)

12 hours ago, Junior Miller said:

Retaining Prescott remains the primary objective of owner Jerry Jones, but with Prescott's agents playing this out until after the season, and the quarterback compiling career numbers (albeit largely against inferior teams), he is building a case to become the highest-paid quarterback in the game. The scope and magnitude of this deal continues to grow, and the Cowboys will place the franchise tag on him if need be, which is lost on no one involved in any of these negotiations, sources said.

 

Good lord. I'm OK with the Cowboys moving forward with Prescott as the franchise QB but not at the expense of making him the highest-paid QB in the entire fucking league.

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

There really and truly aren't many options at this point. The Pats have used four kickers this year -- Kai Forbath was picked up off the street and was terrible on Sun night. They're actually waiting -- and hoping -- to get Nick Folk back before the end of the season. Think about that. Maher is wildly inconsistent but he is a weapon in that he can kick 60+ yard field goals. (Of course he misses the 33-yarders for some reason.

The fact that they (the Cowboys) didn’t have a preseason competition was just the dumbest fucking thing possible. 

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I think they are so similar in so many different ways. The one main difference being Rivera had one year with a top 3 caliber defense and an MVP caliber Cam. Other than that one 15-1 year where they went to the super bowl, they have very similar careers as HCs. 

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Riverboat Ron (Rivera) fired.  I'm sure there will be chatter about him taking over here for Garrett.  

If Garrett made the Super Bowl even once in his career, Jerry would have gave him a 30 year extension.

That is the difference between us and other teams. They move on when the time is right. Rivera had not done anything since that Super Bowl appearance. And they moved on. We keep our shitty coach around hoping one day it finally clicks for him. But it never will.

You could give him the Ravens, Chiefs, Niners, etc and he would fuck them up. He is bad. 

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Bayless has given up. He thinks the Cowboys will lose Thursday and will lose the Division to the Eagles. Said Jones should have fired Red after the Patriot loss to shake things up. Not a happy camper.

And yeah, Jones blew it on Zeke. He's very good, but not that good.

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To put in perspective how truly horrible Garrett is Sturm mentioned how other teams who have been dreadful lately might look at Garrett's average teams here of mostly going around 8-8 as welcome stability. 

Yeah, until you realize that every single season Garrett was mediocre he had a legit top 15 franchise QB. Some of those top 10. You almost have to try to be so shitty to not be better with nothing but legit starting QB play. 

I think he's one of the worst coaches to ever get 10 years HC experience. May be the worst. 

Edited by Junior Miller

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It honestly wouldn’t shock me at all if he was the coach of the browns next year. But if he stays in division and coaches the giants lol, that fan base will explode.

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The NFL is a really weird place right now.  Seems like outside of the Patriots everyone is just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.  I mean it's too early to tell on the Rams dynasty but look at all the non Patriot recent super bowl teams.  Eagles/Falcons/Panthers.  They've become non factors pretty much immediately afterwards.

It's like it's too easy for the Patriots, but then for everyone else it's too fucking hard.

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34 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Bayless has given up. He thinks the Cowboys will lose Thursday and will lose the Division to the Eagles. Said Jones should have fired Red after the Patriot loss to shake things up. Not a happy camper.

And yeah, Jones blew it on Zeke. He's very good, but not that good.

here's a question.  who thinks our record would be different if Pollard had all of Zeke's carries this year?

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4 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

The NFL is a really weird place right now.  Seems like outside of the Patriots everyone is just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.  I mean it's too early to tell on the Rams dynasty but look at all the non Patriot recent super bowl teams.  Eagles/Falcons/Panthers.  They've become non factors pretty much immediately afterwards.

It's like it's too easy for the Patriots, but then for everyone else it's too fucking hard.

I think the Rams "dynasty" is already over.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

here's a question.  who thinks our record would be different if Pollard had all of Zeke's carries this year?

I do. 

It'd be 7-5. 

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31 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

To put in perspective how truly horrible Garrett is Sturm mentioned how other teams who have been dreadful lately might look at Garrett's average teams here of mostly going around 8-8 as welcome stability. 

Yeah, until you realize that every single season Garrett was mediocre he had a legit top 15 franchise QB. Some of those top 10. You almost have to try to be so shitty to not be better with nothing but legit starting QB play. 

I think he's one of the worst coaches to ever get 10 years HC experience. May be the worst. 

and the year Romo got hurt he couldn't win a game without him. Romo came back and they won a game.  that told me all I needed to know and that was 5 years ago.

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28 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

The NFL is a really weird place right now.  Seems like outside of the Patriots everyone is just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.  I mean it's too early to tell on the Rams dynasty but look at all the non Patriot recent super bowl teams.  Eagles/Falcons/Panthers.  They've become non factors pretty much immediately afterwards.

It's like it's too easy for the Patriots, but then for everyone else it's too fucking hard.

Look at the Steelers this year. I know the AFC is down, but you unexpectedly lose your future HOF qb after one week, your starting rb goes down for multiple weeks, your star WR goes down for multiple weeks, you’ve started Mason Fucking Rudolph and Duck Hodges all year...and you’re sitting at 7-5 currently in the 6th seed of the AFC . Just imagine if that shit happened here. We’d have the number one pick if that played out. 
 

Hell, to a much lesser extent, same with the colts. They’ve had a similar string of injuries and unexpected shit happen, and they’re sitting at 6-6. Mike Tomlin and Frank Reich are elite coaches IMO. If Philly could have a do-over, I bet they would’ve fired Doug Peterson and promoted Frank Reich the moment he interviewed for the colts job. Their super bowl window closes the moment Reich left.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

here's a question.  who thinks our record would be different if Pollard had all of Zeke's carries this year?

Somebody said Zeke only had two carries in the second half last Thursday. Is that true? They're paying him what, almost a million per regular season game? A half a mil per half. So in the second half, he received a quarter of million bucks per carry.

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1 hour ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Bayless has given up. He thinks the Cowboys will lose Thursday and will lose the Division to the Eagles. Said Jones should have fired Red after the Patriot loss to shake things up. Not a happy camper.

And yeah, Jones blew it on Zeke. He's very good, but not that good.

It's certainly very important to know what Bayless thinks about the matter. While you're at it, what does your family dog think? What about the tree in your front yard? I value those opinions equally to anything SB says or thinks. 

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12 minutes ago, TornACL said:

It's certainly very important to know what Bayless thinks about the matter. While you're at it, what does your family dog think? What about the tree in your front yard? I value those opinions equally to anything SB says or thinks. 

The Dog thinks we'll take the division. I think he's been spending too much time with the tree. He used to know dogshit when he saw it. He asked the other day when TornACL was getting his own sports talk show making a half million a year.

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6 hours ago, C-Man said:

Good lord. I'm OK with the Cowboys moving forward with Prescott as the franchise QB but not at the expense of making him the highest-paid QB in the entire fucking league.

dak fucking sucks and he is fucking cancer.  his contract will kill the team.  get ready for another decade of mediocrity and bullshit.   jerry will die without the championship he can call his own, and, doubly dying, shall go down to the vile dust, from whence he sprung, unwept, unhonored, and unsung. 

 

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

so Zeke's WAR is 1.0

* -1.0

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1 hour ago, futureman said:

...get ready for another decade of mediocrity and bullshit.   jerry will die without the championship he can call his own, and, doubly dying, shall go down to the vile dust, from whence he sprung, unwept, unhonored, and unsung. 

 

* -1.0

This isn't really a threat. I'm a life long Cowboys fan, but this has been my baseline assessment of them looking forward for years now.

Prove me wrong, Jerry.

Please prove me wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Tired Horn said:

This isn't really a threat. I'm a life long Cowboys fan, but this has been my baseline assessment of them looking forward for years now.

Prove me wrong, Jerry.

Please prove me wrong. 

Checks out your user name does. 

Sipping Boba Fett GIF

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10 hours ago, GotThatFire said:

 I’d like to see some stats on running backs getting fat contracts and then not running hard anymore 

what about puppets who get fat contracts and forget what it's like to call an actual football game?

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17 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

It honestly wouldn’t shock me at all if he was the coach of the browns next year. But if he stays in division and coaches the giants lol, that fan base will explode.

I actually hope he gets another NFL job next year so we can see if he really does just suck as a coach. I'm no fan of Jerry the GM, but we actually have a pretty good roster, and I credit Garrett completely with their shitty play. If Garrett goes to NY and makes a deep playoff run with Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley, well then, I'll be willing to agree that Jerry is the sole problem with this franchise.

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52 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I actually hope he gets another NFL job next year so we can see if he really does just suck as a coach. I'm no fan of Jerry the GM, but we actually have a pretty good roster, and I credit Garrett completely with their shitty play. If Garrett goes to NY and makes a deep playoff run with Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley, well then, I'll be willing to agree that Jerry is the sole problem with this franchise.

Right there with you. Like I’ve said, I think he’s an average NFL coach. An average NFL coach should be able to help improve a poorly coached team (the giants with Shurmur, and the browns with kitchens). He isn’t a super bowl caliber coach though. If that happens, and he wins with another team, Jerry might actually kill himself.

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What more evidence after Jimmy Johnson left do you need to know that JJ is the biggest single issue with this franchise?

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Dak is getting paid.  The idea he wouldn't be the highest paid after this season is ridiculous. Just the way it is, with the market and all.  Then the year after someone will pass him, and in 2 years another 5 guys will have passed him.

 

Ya'll getting way worked up over a QB's contract.  The ONLY way it'll hurt is if he has a career ending injury OR he flat can't play(like Bortles or some shit) after he signs the deal.

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3 minutes ago, Drew said:

The idea he wouldn't be the highest paid after this season is ridiculous.

there’s a decent chance he fails to lead his team to the playoffs.  he will probably finish 8-8 and be sitting on his ass in january.  to even suggest that he should be the highest paid in the league cements your status as the biggest fucking wet-brained retard in the history of human existence. 

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