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1 minute ago, Hank Chinaski said:

You sure about that? There is literally another team currently being investigated for this. And the Beltran stuff that came out this week, at the very least, raises some eyebrows. 

Read my quote.  I said Boston only because Cora imported it (or did he export it?  Was he an importer or exporter).  

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1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

Read my quote.  I said Boston only because Cora imported it (or did he export it?  Was he an importer or exporter).  

Who's to say he wasn't an importer and exporter? 

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2 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

I think it's glorious reading astros fans in the astros thread desperately trying to justify their WS title as clean and untainted. 

The Astros thread on Surly seems to me to be extremely level-headed about it, with the exception of that thread's usual village idiots.  OTOH, you read the comments below a related article on The Athletic and it reads like it's flooded with Astros fans from texags.  Hell, the Athletic even had to change their rating policy for articles about the Astros cheating because of those idiots, and I can't remember any articles on any other topic where the Athletic has had to do moderation of comments.

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17 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Who's to say he wasn't an importer and exporter? 

He was Elaine's boyfriend.  He quit the exporting to focus on the importing. 

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52 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

 

I agreed to drop out of that thread after voicing my opinion that the Astros were cheaters, got caught, and their championship is tainted.  But I will continue to voice that opinion here, because it is tainted.  They may have won anyway.  But maybe not.  We'll never know.  But the asterisk is there.  And as to the comparison to the roid era, that was a time when truly everyone WAS doing it, Dodgers included.  This was a scheme hatched and executed by the Astros.  It was only adopted by the Red Sox because Cora imported it.  Sign stealing by having a man on second trying to see the signs, or guys trying to decode a 3rd base coaches signs is universal.  This was a sophisticated technological cheating scheme.  And no, nobody else was doing it.  Astros, and their fans, have to wear it.

 

"The guys we just traded for were only cheating because Cora made them."

^In case you were wondering how other fanbases would react if in this situation.  (Psst... the answer is EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME.)

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It’s not often you can apologize for something and make yourself look like more of a jackass, but their organization sure did it.

 

 

They should force the Astros catchers to yell out the pitches each game this year and see how their opponents do against them since they believe it didn’t help them.

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4 minutes ago, Quagmire said:

It’s not often you can apologize for something and make yourself look like more of a jackass, but their organization sure did it.

Again.  I think Luhnow got rid of the PR department after canning the scouting department. 

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Again.  I think Luhnow got rid of the PR department after canning the scouting department. 


You don’t need a PR department to see we screwed up , sorry.

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Again.  I think Luhnow got rid of the PR department after canning the scouting department. 

 

You don’t need a PR department to say we screwed up , sorry.

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JMO.... but I think the MLB investigation was just sorta half ass to protect baseball.... So MLB says Player driven and suspends a couple guys... nothing happening in 19.... then shortly after the investigation it comes out the owner knew about “Codebreaker”.   Now how the hell couldnt MLB figure that part out..... and if MLB says Houston also cheated in 19.... now its not 2 seasons ago..... its fresh!  Just a sham of an investigation!

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1 hour ago, Rholl said:

JMO.... but I think the MLB investigation was just sorta half ass to protect baseball.... So MLB says Player driven and suspends a couple guys... nothing happening in 19.... then shortly after the investigation it comes out the owner knew about “Codebreaker”.   Now how the hell couldnt MLB figure that part out..... and if MLB says Houston also cheated in 19.... now its not 2 seasons ago..... its fresh!  Just a sham of an investigation!

We're about to the point that I blame MLB for this problem more than the Astros.  MLB knew there was a problem and conducted sham investigations, plural.  Doing that tells teams there will be no real repercussions, so if you don't create a deterrent to cheating, people are going to cheat.  You think MLB would have learned that lesson from the steroid era.

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This Astros organization is a collection of some of the sorriest people I’ve ever seen. From Bregman (mayfield 2.0) to hunch to crane, just sorry individuals

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7 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

This Astros organization is a collection of some of the sorriest people I’ve ever seen. From Bregman (mayfield 2.0) to hunch to crane, just sorry individuals

Has Bregman been arrested or is that just Mayfield?

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Has Bregman been arrested or is that just Mayfield?

He’s an Uber douchebag who yesterday was almost laughing reading his ore written semi apology

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6 minutes ago, Mileslong said:


He’s an Uber douchebag who yesterday was almost laughing reading his ore written semi apology

He is a cocky bastard, but he has to get arrested to reach Mayfield level.

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22 hours ago, Constant said:

The best version of Astros fans are the ones that believe Altuve when he said he didn’t want his shirt ripped off because his wife would be upset with him. 

What's the evidence for Altuve wearing a buzzer again? Surely there's something out there beyond random accusations made by anonymous twitter accounts.

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6 hours ago, Mileslong said:


He’s an Uber douchebag who yesterday was almost laughing reading his ore written semi apology

That should show you how serious this really is. In other words, it isn't serious at all. 

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2 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Why not just keep cheating to win World Series rings?

Only get a slap on the wrist really. A couple people fired? Meh

This is exactly right. This will do nothing to prevent future teams and players from trying to gain an advantage outside of the written rules.

Cheating worked. The Astros were rewarded for cheating. That's the message from Major League Baseball.

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6 hours ago, Mileslong said:

This Astros organization is a collection of some of the sorriest people I’ve ever seen. From Bregman (mayfield 2.0) to hunch to crane, just sorry individuals

The Houston Astros are the baseball equivalent of the Trump administration.

 

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1 hour ago, Storm the Field said:

What's the evidence for Altuve wearing a buzzer again? Surely there's something out there beyond random accusations made by anonymous twitter accounts.

Did he have an apple watch on?  Sent electronic signals during live games?

No, that was 2018 MVP Mookie and the Sox.  Got confused.  If only Tuve juiced instead, that would make the title legit!

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Unless mlb does a full investigation of the issue, involving all teams, I am fairly meh about this "scandal".

 

However, I can only imagine how our resident Astro fans celebrating a WS despite this scandal would react if the Aggies won a MNC, haha yeah right, okay the SEC or something of significance to aggy tradition of suck, and were consequently caught cheating. They will be reacting just as the Dodgers, imagine if Aggy beat us and then got caught cheating as they did in the 80s, and the rest of baseball is reacting. 

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11 minutes ago, pacman said:

Unless mlb does a full investigation of the issue, involving all teams, I am fairly meh about this "scandal".

What's more interesting about this scandal is how badly Manfred fucked it up.  He has basically let the media run things instead of doing his job and getting out in front of the situation, and in doing so, has let the most tone-deaf franchise in the league harakiri themselves again, which is bad for the league.   How the hell could MLB not provide any guidance for the trainwreck of an apology press conference two days ago?  Even Selig couldn't have fucked this up any worse.  

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However, I can only imagine how our resident Astro fans celebrating a WS despite this scandal would react if the Aggies won a MNC, haha yeah right, okay the SEC or something of significance to aggy tradition of suck, and were consequently caught cheating. They will be reacting just as the Dodgers, imagine if Aggy beat us and then got caught cheating as they did in the 80s, and the rest of baseball is reacting. 

There’s not a single fan base in all of sports that would be acting any differently if the roles were reversed.

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7 minutes ago, pacman said:

Unless mlb does a full investigation of the issue, involving all teams, I am fairly meh about this "scandal".

 

However, I can only imagine how our resident Astro fans celebrating a WS despite this scandal would react if the Aggies won a MNC, haha yeah right, okay the SEC or something of significance to aggy tradition of suck, and were consequently caught cheating. They will be reacting just as the Dodgers, imagine if Aggy beat us and then got caught cheating as they did in the 80s, and the rest of baseball is reacting. 

The SEC gets caught cheating every year.  Beckham Jr was handing out money to LSU players at the actual MNC game just this year.

aggy isn't going to win shit in spite of cheating, but if they do, it will be just like every other SEC title winner from the last 20 years.  And frankly, just like any other team that cracks the top 25.  Nobody is really clean in college football.

And I agree. Start calling for MLB to do a thorough examination of every single team.  If its only the Astros, Red Sox, and Yankees, then I'll be right there with you.  Otherwise, I think they're all dirty.  So far, every team that has been investigated has been caught doing something.  Not a single team has passed the sign stealing piss test once they have the cup in front of them.  If the Dodgers think they have a valid argument and lost to a dirty team while being clean themselves, then they should open their doors wide to an investigation of their clubhouse too.  Funny how they don't do that though.

Here's what the Rangers manager said about it in 2019.  If you recall, you picked him up from the Dodgers.  "You know what you are holding," Woodward said. "Now, if you had a chance to know what both cards the dealer has are, wouldn't that increase your chances of success? And if you knew the dealer had with those two cards before you even placed your bet, wouldn't that increase your wager?"

You know why the Rangers picked up Woodward?  Specifically to steal signs.  "Woodward came from the Los Angeles organization, which was considered one of the most advanced when it came to identifying pitch tipping and sign stealing."

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2019/04/23/rangers-are-quickly-earning-a-reputation-as-adept-sign-stealers-and-chris-woodward-doesn-t-mind/

 

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11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


There’s not a single fan base in all of sports that would be acting any differently if the roles were reversed.

This is 100% accurate and anyone who denies it is lying.

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Unless mlb does a full investigation of the issue, involving all teams, I am fairly meh about this "scandal".
 
However, I can only imagine how our resident Astro fans celebrating a WS despite this scandal would react if the Aggies won a MNC, haha yeah right, okay the SEC or something of significance to aggy tradition of suck, and were consequently caught cheating. They will be reacting just as the Dodgers, imagine if Aggy beat us and then got caught cheating as they did in the 80s, and the rest of baseball is reacting. 
This is probably true, but our resident Dodger fan has transformed from one of the better posters on the board to being on the same level as Helobious. I actually felt bad for fans of the other teams until they took the holier-than-thou stance acting like this is some sort of crime against humanity.

I'm far from a die-hard Astro fan, but I have followed and rooted for them over the past few years because they were fun to watch. My personal opinion is that the entire scheme was bullshit and absolutely taints what was otherwise a great moment for this city during a very difficult time. That's the worst part of it to me because that really was a special moment. Nothing can be done at this point though. What's done is done. I honestly don't know what people want or expect to happen.

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I love that it happened to the Astros because Hinch was such a self-righteous cunt when other managers called them out. Fuck him. Hope he spends the next 10 years as a volunteer hitting coach at Tom Landry middle school. 

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Bauer's really mad:

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GOODYEAR, Ariz. — Trevor Bauer has said his piece on Twitter and on his own YouTube channel. That’s not a surprise. Since The Athletic published the bombshell report about the Houston Astros using technology to steal signs, Bauer has had more than enough information to say, “I told you so.”

Because, well, Bauer told us so.

Bauer, whose feuds with the Astros, and specifically Alex Bregman, go back to his time in Cleveland, is now with the Reds, who hold their first official workout on Saturday.

Long after physicals were done at the team’s spring training complex on Friday and other players had thrown their bullpens and Joey Votto rode his bike back to his Arizona house, Bauer threw his own bullpen with catcher Curt Casali. Then, in a near-empty Reds clubhouse, he spoke to reporters.

My question was simple – one that I had wondered for a while – even if the answer was not. Bauer spoke for nearly a half-hour, the vast majority on the topic of the Astros’ scandal and its ramifications. The answer to the first question was nearly 10 minutes and almost 1,500 words.

Here it is:

Why is it important to you to speak out?

Because for two years, three years, they mocked me for bringing up the fact that they could possibly be cheating.

What I brought up, there’s no denying that they’re doing it, which is the ridiculous part. There’s that part of it, how can you know you’re cheating and then just go and attack someone for saying it?

If I was cheating and someone called me out on it, I’d be like, “Oh shit, I’m not going to say anything, I’m going to try to ignore that.” They went on the offensive, attacking my character, demeaning me and stuff like this, all the while I know and they know that they were doing exactly what I said. On top of what I said are things that I heard about the organization. I couldn’t come out and say because I didn’t have direct knowledge of it, but we matched up against them in the postseason, we matched up against them in the regular season. They mocked everything about everyone who said they were doing something under the table or illegal or whatever. Cheating is one thing, it’s not OK. But at least if you cheat and you come out and you get caught and you’re like, “Look, I did this and it wasn’t right, this is why I did it. I’m not going to do it again, I learned my lesson.” Whatever, you can be contrite about it, speak honestly about it, but even now, we don’t even have a freakin’ apology that means anything from any of them. Not an acknowledgment that they might have hurt someone else around the league, not an acknowledgment that they probably cost many people multiple millions of dollars.

You have one of their players out there non-stop talking and bragging about how good he is and this and that and back-and-forth with me and meanwhile, you’re sitting there knowing every pitch that’s coming. How do you? It’s so hypocritical.

I don’t try … I don’t bother, I don’t go out of my way to bother anybody. I try not to interfere or interject myself into anyone else’s affairs, but if you come at me, I feel like I have every right to defend myself. Now they’ve chosen to make it about me and attack my character, I’m not going to let them forget the fact that they are hypocrites, they are cheaters, they’ve stolen from a lot of other people and the game itself was completely unfair. They’ve negatively affected the fans, they’ve negatively affected players, they’ve negatively affected kids and the future of baseball – which is what I’m most upset about. Now all the things they do really well as an organization are going to get completely washed away and forgotten about so the next generation of kids gets set back five or 10 years on the analytics, training and health and all the different stuff they do really well.

It pisses me off because all we want to do – everyone comes here to win, but we agree to play by a set of rules and we want to play fairly and compete and see are we better than you or not? So we all assume that’s what’s going on. When it’s not, it’s, “Hold on a second, why is it that I have to abide by the rules? That guy has to abide by the rules. That team has to abide by the rules but you guys think you are better than everyone and you don’t have to abide by the rules?” Fuck you. You know? That’s how I feel about their whole operation, especially, especially when you’re so outspoken against stuff. If you take a stand and you’re so firmly against stuff, you better fucking make sure that you’re not doing the stuff that you’re talking about.

I mean, I don’t know anything about the whole (Roberto) Osuna situation, right? But if you’re Justin Verlander and you decide to take a stance against domestic violence and speak out 100 percent against it and then you flip-flop your opinion when someone is now on your team and it’s affecting you, that’s not having character. That’s not taking a moral stand, that’s just pandering to the public. It’s the same thing as cheating. If you’re going to sit there as A.J. Hinch and tell me that I should probably sweep my porch and my accusations are unfounded and you’re going to laugh in the face of the media about the Yankees saying that he may be doing something in the postseason and saying, “Oh if I knew it was going to get in their head, then we probably would have done something.” Like, fuck you! How are you going to say that when you know damn well that you’re doing what they’re saying? I don’t know.

I’m big on honesty and having character and treating people well.

Whit Merrifield was not an All-Star because José Altuve was. Aaron Judge did not win the MVP because José Altuve did and things like this. So now Whit Merrifield, when he goes to sign his long-term extension, doesn’t have “All-Star” next to his name. “All-Star” probably makes him a lot more valuable in arbitration, which perhaps makes him not sign that deal or maybe sign the deal for that many more million dollars. Aaron Judge doesn’t have “MVP” next to his name. What is he worth in his first year of arbitration? That’s millions of dollars. The trajectory of the career, too. It’s not the first time where it’s a million or two, but then the next year it’s two or three and the next year after that, it’s four or five.

The whole thing is just like, it’s so frustrating.

Because man, if you take steroids – back in the steroid era – you take steroids and a lot of people are doing it, you don’t sit there and say, like, “It is wrong, it is this, that and the other, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. …” And then you get caught. It’s like, that’s why the whole Ryan Braun thing is so fucked up. He cost someone his job, wagging your finger in the face of everyone else, then you get caught and you shut up and you don’t say anything about it. Why?

At least the vast majority of people who got caught doing steroids weren’t attacking the character of other people in the league, blasting them for saying they might be taking steroids when they knew damn well they were. It’s just so … it’s filthy, it’s hypocritical. It’s underhanded. I don’t know.

I’m probably going to get myself in trouble for saying all of this different stuff, but it’s how I feel. I think it’s important to stand up and say something because I’m not afraid of the backlash. I’ve been out there on my own my entire life, basically. I had very few friends growing up, I really didn’t have a peer group. I’ve been attacked by coaches along the way and fellow teammates for training the way I did. I’m used to this. A lot of other players don’t have the standing in the league, don’t have that sense about themselves or just don’t want to rock the boat or whatever, but we all feel this way. We’re all pissed. If no one ever comes out and says anything then nothing gets done.

If Mike Fiers doesn’t come out and say something, nothing gets done. Nothing – even though all the players know this shit is going on, it’s the worst kept secret in baseball. If no one says anything, then nothing gets done – no one says anything publicly because reports have been given to the league for multiple years. The Astros had an employee in our camera well filming our dugout in the 2018 postseason. If you’re that brazen, if you’re that out in the open with that? What is it that you actually want to hide? Now we know more about what they actually want to hide or what they’re actually trying to cover up. To answer your original question before I went on this rant, that’s why I feel like it’s important to speak up because a lot of players around the league feel this way and don’t have a voice or don’t have the standing to where they can say something. At the end of the day, right is right, wrong is wrong. Integrity and moral character, those things all matter. That’s where I try to position myself.

I have no problem with people stealing signs if you’re on second base and you pick the catcher’s sign or pick what the pitcher’s doing, he’s tipping his pitches or whatever, you know? But when they go to that length to do it in real-time, to take away any possibility of any chance to compete against it, and like I said, the whole mocking of people for saying it, it’s ridiculous.

How do you feel about Mike Fiers?

I’m happy Mike said something. I know a lot of people, or some people had been like, “Oh, well he should’ve said something when he was on the team” or whatever. It’s just so unrealistic because he’d be banned, blackballed from the game. I don’t blame him at all for not saying something then. I’m happy he finally came out and said something.

We’ve been waiting two, two-and-a-half, three years, for someone with knowledge of the situation to be willing to talk. I figured it’d have to be someone once they retired when they had played their career out because that’s just generally how the game works. These things come out 15-20 years afterward and people are just telling stories afterward, like, “Oh, yeah, back in the ’80s, this guy was doing this.” It’s like, “Well, that’s cheating. Maybe we should’ve known then.”

I’m happy Mike came out and said something. I think it’s good for baseball. Good for him and for a lot of other players. It’s a very strong position and leadership role that he took.

Ultimately, on a wider scale, the players as a whole, we need more strength and leadership at the top. I think that’s the position that he took, which is important.

Did it anger you more when you saw the press conference yesterday?

What did you expect from them? The entire time they had been super dismissive and it’s very obvious that they don’t think it affected the game. They feel like they were in the right.

You can tell a fake apology when you have to give an apology, but you don’t want to apologize because you don’t think you were wrong. You can tell what it is when you see it. That was that. They didn’t give a shit. Of the people I saw speak, not a single one of them actually meant what they were saying.

Yeah, you have to say the words but honestly, in that situation, I would rather them just come out and say, “Yeah, we did it. We’re not sorry about it. Yeah, we cheated. We’ll take the penalty and come beat us.” At least it would be honest. Just tell us how you actually feel. Don’t lie. You’ve been lying the entire fucking time. Now you’re lying about your apology.

“We don’t think it affected the game.” You’re either lying or you’re a fucking idiot. And you don’t become a billionaire owner of a team by being a fucking idiot. So, you’re lying.

I don’t know. How can you not think that affected the game when you know what pitches, that’s just so ridiculous. That take, that quote, then basically the entire thing was like, “Oh, I’m sorry we got caught.” Not like, “Hey, we did this.”

Here’s the thing for you, if any of the Astros players would come out today and say, “Hey, I’m holding a press conference. I’m going to have a select group of fans, media, other players, we’re all going to sit down and I’m going to answer all your questions for an hour 100 percent honestly. We’re just going to talk it through.” That player could say anything about what they did, and all this different stuff and he’d actually be liked. That’s how ridiculous this situation has gotten. If a player came out and told you everything they did, and it was the worst possible cheating scandal in the history of baseball and he revealed it all, that player would be liked because the rest of them have been so disingenuous. Not a single one of them has said an honest damn word the entire time. Just such a ridiculous situation, man.

Whatever on the field, right? OK, so you fucking beat me on the field because whatever. But what about people who don’t have jobs? What about the people that lose out on millions of dollars and their whole career trajectory has changed? What about the people who don’t get signed at a certain position because someone who knew what pitches were coming took that position? What if someone gets DFA’d because there is just no more room for them?

Oh, we’re coming up in four or five days, you’re going to see pitchers throwing live BP with an L-screen in front of them because the hitters know what’s coming. Because it’s fucking dangerous. You have a hitter that knows what’s coming and smokes a ball off someone’s shin or hits them in the head. Maybe that guy is done. Maybe it hits him just right and he dies. Like these are the realities and however small of a chance it is, it’s a better chance if you know what pitch is coming that that’s going to happen. It’s dangerous.

Robbed from other people, you take their positions, their livelihood, the dollars, the experience of being an All-Star, the experience of moving on in the postseason, the experience of winning a World Series perhaps. It’s so far-reaching. To see them sit there and be like, “I’m sorry that we got caught. I’m sorry for the actions that the team and the organization and myself took. That’s all I’m going to say.” It’s hollow.

Coming from someone who is previously super outspoken and all over social and posting shit about (Nathan) Eovaldi and homering off him. Right before that playoff series, posting shit about me and back and forth, which is fine. I have no problem with that. It’s all fun and games online, bantering back and forth. But like, “OK, where is your talk now?” When it comes time to face the fire, which you started, you better be man enough to stand up and face it. If you’re not, then just fuck you. No credibility. No respect from anyone for anything.

That’s the thing, like, he’s a great player. They are all great players with or without it. But now, no one in the league respects them for anything they do. Not for how they work. Not for how they prepare. Not for how they play. Not for their skills. Nothing. Nothing. And it’s all of them, regardless of who participated or didn’t.

Do you think the banging scheme was just the tip of the iceberg?

I don’t know, man.

I’ve heard about the algorithms they had for a long time. I’m glad those finally came out about using a machine learning to decode signs and stuff in real-time. I don’t know what else they are doing. I’ve heard stuff. I don’t have first-hand knowledge of it.

It’s one of those things where you hear from enough people that are independent of each other that there is other stuff going on. It’s like, “Oh, man, well this person said it, but it could just be a rumor.” I heard the same from that other person, but they don’t know each other. I heard the same thing from that other person and none of them know each other. It’s like, well, you start to think something else is going on. I don’t want to spread, perpetuate a rumor with no inside knowledge of it.

I’ve heard from three separate sources about there is other stuff, but I have no idea if it’s true or not. I really don’t want to wade into that.

Have you heard from MLB after your tweets and video about Rob Manfred?

No. What are they going to say? It’s the fucking truth.

Oh, you’re going to get mad that I called the commissioner a joke when he lied to my face the first time we met each other. It was like, whatever.

You want to be mad, just fucking come talk to me face-to-face. Let’s sit down and have an open, honest conversation. Not a, “Hey, I want to be open and honest and have a collaborative conversation with the players in the league,” and then two minutes after you tell that to everybody in the room, you sit there and lie to my face and say the game being 2:59 is better than 3:01 because it’s a fan issue. No, it’s not. It’s a TV issue, which is fine. Everyone makes more money if the TVs are happy. Just tell me. Don’t say that it’s going to be open and honest, and then lie to my face.

If you want to have an open conversation and you actually want to discuss some stuff, if you actually care about the game and the industry that you’re presiding over and that you’re supposed to be running, and you think I have something valuable or you’re mad at me or something like that, then come talk to me. He can find me. What’s he going to be mad about? The truth?

I called him a joke. He lied to my face in ’14 in front of all my teammates and stuff like that when I asked him why the length of the game was important. No fan gives a shit if the game is 3:01 or 2:59. You think I’m stupid? I don’t know.

Not a fan of the guy with how he’s chosen to run the league, some of the constant focus on changing the game itself. The product is great. We have a good product. We have the best group of players the game has ever had, the most talented, the fastest, the most athletic. Just the packaging is terrible.

It’s so bad. I mean, from listening to a game on TV, if you can even watch a game, first off. Half the people can’t even see the damn games on TV or online or anything like that.

Then if you watch the game, you have announcers that are supposed to be working on behalf of the league to promote the game and then televise it and stuff like that, just shitting on it non-stop. “The product is so bad. The players strike out too much.” It’s all this negative crap.

Then on top of that, you don’t allow the players to have any personality at all. That’s systematic. You get taught in the minor leagues, don’t bat flip. Don’t show emotion. If you say one thing in the media, the media director is like, “Hey, maybe we shouldn’t. Let me teach you how to say something without saying anything.” So, you suck all the personality out of what, 40, 50, how many jerseys are in here?

61

Sixty-one times 30 organizations, times all the minor leagues, so you suck all the personality out of the most culturally diverse game with the most players that should be the most marketable. You just suck all the personality out from a young age on the field, off the field. All the fans are like, “Baseball players don’t have personalities.” None of them have been in the clubhouse. How much personality do you see in here? How many things would just be absolutely hilarious that you look at and you’re like, “Holy shit, that’s frickin’ funny that nobody gets to see.” There’s that problem and then you want to change the product itself instead of like, let’s just re-package it.

Let’s open it up. Let’s actually let people post highlights. They’ve done a little bit better job of that in the last couple of years. When you’re banning some of the most influential baseball accounts on social media a couple years back like Pitching Ninja, other ones that have gone through all that stuff, like what are you doing?

Meanwhile, you have the NBA that is just absolutely crushing everybody, that gives content away like, ‘Please post our content. Here you go.” Baseball playoffs are going on and Joel Embiid, in the second game of the NBA season that doesn’t mean anything, is trending. There are two basketball players trending nationally above anything baseball-related during Game 7 of one of the best World Series that we’ve seen.

Don’t change the product. And I’m not fully against changing parts of the product, either. I’m really not. Like, don’t just make changes to make changes.

Where is the polling that’s like what do the fans want? Why don’t we just take a poll and say, “Fans, what do you want to see?” When you make rule changes, let’s involve the fans, the players, everybody and take a vote. If it doesn’t pass with 70 percent or whatever percentage, there doesn’t need to be a rule change. At least you bring the fans and the players and the league together where it’s like, “This is our game, we’re doing this together.” Video games do that all the time. Online games, they have this community-based; they don’t let any new changes to the game or rules or anything like that change unless the community votes on it. Where’s that? Maybe, they’ve done polling and we don’t know about it. I don’t know. It sure seems like it’s trying to solve the problem of, “OK, how do we make more money?” Which is fine. Again, everyone makes more money if the league makes more money. But like, don’t just make changes to make changes. Have a reason. Yeah. Been a frustrating offseason

 

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49 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

aggy faction of Astros fanbase is trying to organize a boycott of Buffalo Wild Wings for this:

 

I've already been boycotting BWW for years because the food sucks. It's hard to believe it passes for an acceptable sports bar in some places, much less a decent casual dining chain.  Applebee's is better for both. And Applebee's sucks hard at both too. 

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

aggy faction of Astros fanbase is trying to organize a boycott of Buffalo Wild Wings for this:

 

Again, it just goes to show you how much MLB really cares about sign stealing, with technology or otherwise.

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17 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

 If the Dodgers think they have a valid argument and lost to a dirty team while being clean themselves, then they should open their doors wide to an investigation of their clubhouse too.  Funny how they don't do that though.

Have you invited your local cops into your house to investigate whether you have ever murdered anyone?  If you were truly innocent you would have already done that.  Funny how you haven't.  You must be a murderer.

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39 minutes ago, txhorns said:

Have you invited your local cops into your house to investigate whether you have ever murdered anyone?  If you were truly innocent you would have already done that.  Funny how you haven't.  You must be a murderer.

Yes, because murder is the exact same thing. Plus, there is nobody missing around here.  No evidence of any wrongdoing at all.

The article already posted regarding the Rangers manager is enough evidence to launch an investigation into the Dodgers as well as the Rangers. 

So this is more like when someone's wife had a black eye and they kept going around telling everyone she tripped and fell down the stairs.

In cycling, they drug test everyone. Time for everyone else in baseball to get their test. 

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