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My FIL has always been a legit cowboy and has had diesels his whole life to pull cattle/horse gooseneck trailers around.  He bought a new truck last year and got a  3/4 ton Dodge gasser for the first time.  He couldn't justify the increased expense and PITA of dealing with the DEF - and I think all of his other buddies had made the same switch.

I've always wanted a diesel pickup, mainly for the towing/torque but partly because of the aesthetics that come along with it.  FIL has convinced me that if I ever get one to be honest with myself and accept that I'd be doing it more for the aesthetic than anything else. 

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If yall think DEF is bad in these hyper R&Ded light trucks that move millions of units, you definitely don't want any part of it in construction equipment where each individual machine is basically a new adventure.

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5 hours ago, G650 said:

I'm going out on a limb and guessing by big truck you mean F250 or so.

In that context with Brew, yes. But I’ve been around plenty of “big” trucks, check the stick it in the hole and gouge it thread (used to super heavy haul PM). 
 

5 hours ago, G650 said:

We run them for half a million miles or so, for us it's a no brainer.

I would agree that math works.  Every gasser I’ve ever had was tiiiiiired by about 250k.  Doubling that changes the math, easily. 
 

5 hours ago, G650 said:

The most hardcore diesel guys are the hobbyists. You know the carpenter that "needs" the crew cab F350 Powerstroke mall crawler. Which is cool if you are into it, I mean I drive a 650 HP SUV for the simple reason I want to, so not judging.

True. This is America and shit doesn’t have to make sense. 

5 hours ago, G650 said:

From a practical perspective though the new gas trucks are light years ahead of the diesels.

I know several people who’ve gone diesel to 6.2 ford, back to diesel.  It’ll pull the campers fine, until it gets windy. Or they go to the hill country, or whatever.  Like my buddies ecoboost that on paper can replace a semi (to hear him talk) but can’t maintain 75 with a bay boat in south Texas.  And if a headwind blows, not even getting out of 5th. 
 

But I keep an old lifted half-Ton for mud and beach trips (and nostalgia) because my pig can’t do that so fuck me. 

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11 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Kind of weird to think a large portion of those under 35-40 have never experienced not being in traffic to understand the olds love of performance.  Very few see the point and most care more about the interior than the performance. 

I think this effect is slowly but steadily killing performance cars. Unless you have access to a track ($$$), or live someplace very rural, it's really difficult to drive with any degree of "sportiness" -- there's so much traffic congestion (and law enforcement) that you can't really do anything "fun" anymore on public streets.

 

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5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I know several people who’ve gone diesel to 6.2 ford, back to diesel.  

Tbh, sounds like a driver issue. We pull excavators and bulldozers with the 3V V10. But not surprising as weekenders are gonna fall more on enthusiasts side, and rightly so as it's for fun and not work so run what brings you happiness.

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29 minutes ago, G650 said:

Tbh, sounds like a driver issue. We pull excavators and bulldozers with the 3V V10. But not surprising as weekenders are gonna fall more on enthusiasts side, and rightly so as it's for fun and not work so run what brings you happiness.

I absolutely believe it’s not a “can’t be done” issue.  I think people enjoy stepping on the skinny pedal and it moving like they want.  Nothing more than that and for some, I’m sure a “status symbol”.  Me I like as much ass as I can get when towing, even if not particularly needed.   I’m pre-DEF but my mileage (before tires) was pretty solid. 21@70, 19@75.  Now with cylinder deactivation etc I’m sure gassers can do same or close. At the time, not even close. 

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34 minutes ago, Paper_jam said:

I think this effect is slowly but steadily killing performance cars. Unless you have access to a track ($$$), or live someplace very rural, it's really difficult to drive with any degree of "sportiness" -- there's so much traffic congestion (and law enforcement) that you can't really do anything "fun" anymore on public streets.

 

I disagree. Perhaps this has weeded out a few various posers along the way, but people who have the itch are always going to be willing to put in a little effort to drive in a spirited manner. 

Speaking of efforts to drive in a spirited manner, a new Cannonball record was set recently. 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a30085091/these-guys-just-drove-an-e63-amg-across-america-in-a-record-27-hours-25-minutes

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48 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Like my buddies ecoboost that on paper can replace a semi (to hear him talk) but can’t maintain 75 with a bay boat in south Texas.  And if a headwind blows, not even getting out of 5th. 

my ecoboost had zero issues pulling a bay boat

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I'll tell you another truth, a fuel injected 460 will drag the shit out of a 7.3 diesel. And a 429 was the best motor I ever had in a flat bed.

Only draw back is they got like negative miles to the gallon. I had to drive my F350 from Arkansas to Virginia with one fuel pump out once. Couldn't pass a gas pump.

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24 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

I disagree. Perhaps this has weeded out a few various posers along the way, but people who have the itch are always going to be willing to put in a little effort to drive in a spirited manner. 

Speaking of efforts to drive in a spirited manner, a new Cannonball record was set recently. 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a30085091/these-guys-just-drove-an-e63-amg-across-america-in-a-record-27-hours-25-minutes

I think this is really dependent on where you live.

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I disagree. Perhaps this has weeded out a few various posers along the way, but people who have the itch are always going to be willing to put in a little effort to drive in a spirited manner. 

Speaking of efforts to drive in a spirited manner, a new Cannonball record was set recently. 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a30085091/these-guys-just-drove-an-e63-amg-across-america-in-a-record-27-hours-25-minutes

 

I’m not gonna lie, I hate this unsanctioned Cannonball Run shit. People blasting down public roads at 150+ irks me. Yes, I know a lot of it is in the middle of nowhere, but the other people driving didn’t ask to be a part of that.

 

Also, Alex Roy is the biggest douche ever.

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8 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Significantly more than it always has though? 

Eh, I'm not sure I'd go significantly, but definitely a change as cities have become more onboard with the Complete Streets ethos over the last few decades. Where it was all about the car before it's really changed for ride share, mass transit, cycling etc...

 

Plus traffic is godawful in many metros to an extent it wasn't before.

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3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

my ecoboost had zero issues pulling a bay boat

Well this one won’t pull a 23’ Haynie down 59 and hold 75. Not in 6th anyhow. 5th, then 6th. 5th then 6th. 5th then 6th.  This isn’t a one time deal, it makes ~5-7 trips from Houston to POC/Rport a year behind that truck.   It’ll fucking move when it’s wound up to 3500+ rpm tho.  But I know 12000#  capacity rah rah. 

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2 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

 

I’m not gonna lie, I hate this unsanctioned Cannonball Run shit. People blasting down public roads at 150+ irks me. Yes, I know a lot of it is in the middle of nowhere, but the other people driving didn’t ask to be a part of that.

 

Also, Alex Roy is the biggest douche ever.

Yeah the amount of planning and whatnot is cool, but I agree. Everyone else on the road didn’t sign up for that. Hopefully nothing bad ever comes of it.  Wonder how bad Bolians ass will be hurt over it. I know he knows the guys and whatnot, but he seems like the type to get butthurt over no longer holding it. Maybe not. 

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9 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

 

I’m not gonna lie, I hate this unsanctioned Cannonball Run shit. People blasting down public roads at 150+ irks me. Yes, I know a lot of it is in the middle of nowhere, but the other people driving didn’t ask to be a part of that.

 

Also, Alex Roy is the biggest douche ever.

I remember seeing his polizei-costumed M5 act in Gumball 3000 when they revived that NY-LA run in 2001 or whatever it was.  Thought it was pretty colorful. 

Then much later I saw him in long-interview format on some car channel.  Turned out to be a complete dullard.  He has all the personality of a door knob.  Couldn't believe that was the same guy with all the charades from the cannonball run

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10 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Well this one won’t pull a 23’ Haynie down 59 and hold 75. Not in 6th anyhow. 5th, then 6th. 5th then 6th. 5th then 6th.  This isn’t a one time deal, it makes ~5-7 trips from Houston to POC/Rport a year behind that truck.   It’ll fucking move when it’s wound up to 3500+ rpm tho.  But I know 12000#  capacity rah rah. 

I have put quite a few miles on the 3.5 pulling boats in a 15 and 17. They pull fine especially locally,  but it works them and gas mileage is abysmal if you’re trying to maintain any sort of interstate speed. Like you, that’s the main reason I’m looking at a 3/4 and up. I may take a look at the gas motors as well and see what I think.

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No, 2015 and 2017 F150 Ecoboost. The 15 had the 6 speed and the 17 has the 10 speed which exacerbated the problems fatty is having. The boats are 20-28 foot, depending on where we’re headed and what we’re doing.

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1 hour ago, Brew said:

No, 2015 and 2017 F150 Ecoboost. The 15 had the 6 speed and the 17 has the 10 speed which exacerbated the problems fatty is having. The boats are 20-28 foot, depending on where we’re headed and what we’re doing.

Yeah, figured that out after the fact. Duh.

You should be able to tow a 20 foot boat with a damn station wagon. A 28 footer you would definitely want at least a pickup. An F150 would be on the light end for sure.

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5 hours ago, Brew said:

I have put quite a few miles on the 3.5 pulling boats in a 15 and 17. They pull fine especially locally,  but it works them and gas mileage is abysmal if you’re trying to maintain any sort of interstate speed. Like you, that’s the main reason I’m looking at a 3/4 and up. I may take a look at the gas motors as well and see what I think.

This is with a ‘13 with about 50k miles.  Don’t get me wrong, it’s enough and doesn’t “struggle” by any means. But he would definitely welcome more power if possible.    He wouldn’t want to hook to our cattle trailer or any of the tractors for anything more than in town running. 
 

My mileage is abysmal while towing even light so don’t let that weigh in too heavily. Imo you don’t see the tow mileage benefits until you get real heavy or really non-aero.  Big cattle trailers and campers etc. Even then the mileage still sucks but at least you have the power/weight.  
 

Anyhow, back to cool cars.  Wife was thoroughly unimpressed when I laid out my get fatty a gently used F430 plan recently. I must have offered to sell the wrong kid. 

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20 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

I think this effect is slowly but steadily killing performance cars. Unless you have access to a track ($$$), or live someplace very rural, it's really difficult to drive with any degree of "sportiness" -- there's so much traffic congestion (and law enforcement) that you can't really do anything "fun" anymore on public streets.

 

I was in my trip computer the other day and noticed I averaged 23 mph over the last 6 months.  I had two 800 mile trips with the cruise control set at 78mph during that time period. The majority of my day to day driving is under 35mph.

Edited by ShaggyBevo RIP

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19 hours ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Significantly more than it always has though? 

1980s 2222 or Mopac versus now???  Same for both 71 and 290 west for the first 30 miles past the Y?

Edited by ShaggyBevo RIP

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22 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

 Wife was thoroughly unimpressed when I laid out my get fatty a gently used F430 plan recently. I must have offered to sell the wrong kid. 

Sounds reasonable to me.

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On 12/2/2019 at 7:22 PM, G650 said:

If I owned a King Ranch I'd have to kick my own ass.

 

 

If you needed help, gimme a call.   I’d make time in my busy schedule.  Fuck those things.  

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The best part about them was the leather and when I was looking at trucks a few months back I looked in one and the leather wasn't close to the quality it used to be. I dont get how they still sell.

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49 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

The best part about them was the leather and when I was looking at trucks a few months back I looked in one and the leather wasn't close to the quality it used to be. I dont get how they still sell.

Dat badge tho

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On 12/3/2019 at 6:23 AM, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

The only thing they want is auto pilot so they can surf the net instead of drive.  

Kind of weird to think a large portion of those under 35-40 have never experienced not being in traffic to understand the olds love of performance.  Very few see the point and most care more about the interior than the performance. 

I think performance enthusiasts under 40 are that way because of their upbringing. CHIEF Jr. eats and breathes performance vehicles, completely obsessed. I was the same way when I was his age. When he finishes his mechanical engineering degree, he wants to work for Koenigsegg or another exclusive car builder.

CHIEF

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44 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

When he finishes his mechanical engineering degree, he wants to work for Koenigsegg or another exclusive car builder.

That's badass. I almost went to UC Irvine after UCSB because they had full engine program, unique in the country at the time.

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19 hours ago, HOOKEM4 said:

The best part about them was the leather and when I was looking at trucks a few months back I looked in one and the leather wasn't close to the quality it used to be. I dont get how they still sell.

for the same reason little old ladies putt around in E63 AMGs: it's expensive so it sells.

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3 minutes ago, G650 said:

That's badass. I almost went to UC Irvine after UCSB because they have full engine program, unique in the country

Thanks for the info. Differential Equations is kicking his ass right now, and he is a little down, I'll give him this tidbit to keep him "aligned".

CHIEF

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2 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

Thanks for the info. Differential Equations is kicking his ass right now, and he is a little down, I'll give him this tidbit to keep him "aligned".

CHIEF

DiffeEQ fucking sucks, I feel his pain.

 

I don't know how the program is at UCI these days, it appears to be focused on aerospace propulsion more than anything by the quick google search I did.

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Sometimes I think I should have tried chE or ME instead of chem, but then I remember how I ducked diffeq and took linear algebra instead (degree required 3 hours upper division math), and that I’d not have gotten into Cockrell. 

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I should have fucked around a little less and realized sooner than I did that I couldn't learn organic chemistry the nights before the exams.

I think I would make a fine radiologist or podiatrist or dermatologist or any other type of physician that gets to keep banker's hours. 

Aunt/balls/uncle... 

Edited by Prepuce of Doom

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If I had it to do over I would have gotten a slack ass English degree.


I did start over and dropped the fuck out of ME and right into a slack ass Communication Studies degree.
I did finish out my math portion of engineering. That was easy. Statics killed me.

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On 12/5/2019 at 4:52 PM, fattyflattie said:

I believe I would have done law. I really enjoy posting here, but I just don’t have the time. 

It takes 8-9 years after law school to be bestowed the free time.

Edited by ShaggyBevo RIP

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5 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

It takes 8-9 years after law school to be bestowed the free time.

 

3 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

 


Agreed.

 

But after that, it's all dick drawing and surly surfing, right? 

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On 12/5/2019 at 5:50 PM, Prepuce of Doom said:

radiologist or podiatrist or dermatologist or any other type of physician that gets to keep banker's hours. 

while radiologists can read from home, they're not keeping bankers hours, per the ones i've been representing around here.  there are graveyard shifts because bad shit happens overnight. 

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On 12/6/2019 at 12:50 AM, Prepuce of Doom said:

I should have fucked around a little less and realized sooner than I did that I couldn't learn organic chemistry the nights before the exams.

I think I would make a fine radiologist or podiatrist or dermatologist or any other type of physician that gets to keep banker's hours. 

Aunt/balls/uncle... 

Could also be one of them exploitative chiropractors that work on hot chicks and posts the clips on YouTube

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On 12/5/2019 at 1:44 PM, G650 said:

If I had it to do over I would have gotten a slack ass English degree.

I went from Physics to History.

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