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The Surly Official 2020 Corching Search Thread of DOOM and DESPAIR


If it ain't Urban, who do you want?  

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Tapa won’t let me quote the post that says Sark is being talked about by Bama fans as Saban’s heir.

But in response - I’m a Bama alumni and fan and interact with many others every day. The only place I’ve seen this Sark stuff stated is on this board.

Bama is going to make Dabo say no to his Alma Mater before anyone else is offered.

And after Sark ditched us for the first NFL opportunity he could and then came slinking back, he’s not exactly adored here.

Bama fans have seen so many coordinators and assistants come and go and come and go again during Saban’s tenure. We’re not super attached to any of them.

Greg Byrne and our BoT will go after a proven HC. And Bama will NEVER do the HCIW crap. Saban thinks that whole deal is very destructive.

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Perhaps my memory is off, but it seems awful quiet on the BMD front.  Seems like if UM was completely off the table and it was felt that there weren't any good other options (and that Herman might be back) that there would be a lot more leaks about what went wrong, finger pointing, and/or competing pushes for various alternatives and trashing of their competitors.

All the doomsday drama queening on the boards does not appear to fit the BMD relative silence.

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I don't know wtf.

I can go right on back to covid and politics. Weeds and mental health.

I can't watch a game without thinking of this den of iniquity. Hell, half the time it's me hitting refresh in the thread.

I don't know what's next.

Cowboys, Texans, and Longhorns. Our shared miserable existence of the present.

Fuck it. I'll still be here. 

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5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

has anyone proposed that we just promote Yurcich on his current contract for 1 year?

That is kind of what I am getting at. You could get rid of Herman and replace him with old-ass Romeo Crennel for 4yr 26mil. Let him double the salary of Alabama's OL coach and bring in a witch recruiter as WR coach. Keep almost all of our D coaches and bring in a witch recruiter as a DL coach. Take the 3 mil you are saving annually and put it into a support staff...

You then have a respectable guy who isn't going to step on any dicks who has skins on the wall. And a good enough staff to win and recruit. All that I am unsure about is if Crennel demands excellence. Because what we really need is someone who is a demanding workaholic so others have to work hard and not slack.No one should care if he is going to be a short-timer and is there mainly to right the ship.

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19 minutes ago, Bevo said:

That is kind of what I am getting at. You could get rid of Herman and replace him with old-ass Romeo Crennel for 4yr 26mil. Let him double the salary of Alabama's OL coach and bring in a witch recruiter as WR coach. Keep almost all of our D coaches and bring in a witch recruiter as a DL coach. Take the 3 mil you are saving annually and put it into a support staff...

You then have a respectable guy who isn't going to step on any dicks who has skins on the wall. And a good enough staff to win and recruit. All that I am unsure about is if Crennel demands excellence. Because what we really need is someone who is a demanding workaholic so others have to work hard and not slack.No one should care if he is going to be a short-timer and is there mainly to right the ship.

Sorry to quote myself, but I was too slow in my edit.

 

And the point isn't Crennel, it is that we have a lot of what we need already in place. What we need is a leader. What does Saban do right besides cheat? He works hard and is demanding. He used to get highly involved in the offense. I don't think he even does that anymore other than to bitch out the coach when he sucks.

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5 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Tapa won’t let me quote the post that says Sark is being talked about by Bama fans as Saban’s heir.

But in response - I’m a Bama alumni and fan and interact with many others every day. The only place I’ve seen this Sark stuff stated is on this board.

Bama is going to make Dabo say no to his Alma Mater before anyone else is offered.

And after Sark ditched us for the first NFL opportunity he could and then came slinking back, he’s not exactly adored here.

Bama fans have seen so many coordinators and assistants come and go and come and go again during Saban’s tenure. We’re not super attached to any of them.

Greg Byrne and our BoT will go after a proven HC. And Bama will NEVER do the HCIW crap. Saban thinks that whole deal is very destructive.

*alumna

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If Leach, Harsin, Dykes, there’s a bunch of guys who could be better than herm, probably 50.  Does the board care about result right now?  Balance sheet must be bigger concern now, with COVID attendance problem.  If we’re looking at this from the longer view, Tom will have pressure on him to either salvage his career or not, with a marginally successful season next year.  

Something tells me cdc is not giving up.  Take another run at a Urb after Ohio st. Finishes season.  

Buyout is $25 mil?  Herman buyout is 15 of that?

What does that make buyout next year?  15 total ?

6-6 next year, unless urb is coach. If herm comes back could go to 5-7.  

New end zone, 60k fans, embarrassing, 

 

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9 hours ago, taybo20 said:

“Fuckload of money for assistants and support staff”

what is different than what we did for Herman or even strong then? They both got new coordinators in efforts to make them better. Had plenty of money. I hate money being thrown as some reason to make us feel better. We’ve always thrown money at assistants and support staff and we are still here. My comment has nothing to do with Campbell vs Herman, but to say money alleviates any worries with Campbell is dumb

Because you trust that Campbell can make the right hires and having a large budget means he can go after the guys he wants regardless of what they make now. 

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13 minutes ago, Big_kat said:

Because you trust that Campbell can make the right hires and having a large budget means he can go after the guys he wants regardless of what they make now. 

Again, that doesn’t mean he isn’t bringing guys he currently works with. It doesn’t mean he automatically goes and hires the names you think he should.

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12 minutes ago, NavyHorn said:

We seem to be pretty all-in on Campbell for a guy who’s allegedly the floor of the search

Well, we woke up there in a crusted pool of our own vomit,  with a screaming headache. We’ll take who we can get and go to bed to recuperate before starting all over again in 3-4 years.

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Is Campbell's 6 million buyout not a concern?  Considering how much was written about the BMD's lack of interest in cutting a check to buyout Herman for anyone not name Urban Meyer - are they now ready to cut the 25 million dollar check for Herman and staff, then another 6 million to buyout Campbell, and then 7 million plus for Campbell and whatever his staff costs on top of that?

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7 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

So how does that ‘5 star culture not 5 star players’ mantra work when you’re at a school that is expected to have 5 star players?  

Exactly this. That whole "did more with less" coach quite often doesn't translate to a place where they have to do "more with more" which is what a Campbell could be. It's one thing to motivate a bunch of 2 and 3 stars to punch above their weight. It's a completely different thing to motivate a bunch of cocky 4 and 5 stars to check their egos at the door and play for the name on the front of their jersey rather than the name on the back of it. Campbell just feels like rinse and repeat from what we've had to me. He's having one hot year at a school in our conference. Whoopie.

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Later in the humidor thread nahlin seemed to be hinting that maybe Campbell would say no.

He said he’d probably choose Michigan over Texas. ( but doesn’t look like UM is opening) and said something to the affect that he doesn’t even know if Campbell would take the Texas job. A tough pull.

Could be misquoting him. Read it last night, don’t feel like looking it up. Again could be misquoting him.

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18 minutes ago, NavyHorn said:

We seem to be pretty all-in on Campbell for a guy who’s allegedly the floor of the search

Is he a demanding prick who works his ass off day and night? If so, I'm all in. If not, it is a hard pass. BMDs in the past seemed to be under the impression that access and the ability to BS were key. So, they would get a pool of candidates who had recent success as coordinators or head coaches and then pick the one they liked most. Unfortunately, those aren't the key traits to success as a head coach.

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I’m so sick of hearing skins on the wall, have a vision and hire the correct freaking coach

I’m not going to go on a full blown rant, and I fully know that more coaching hires don’t work out than work out well or great … but we as a college sports society are way to hyper focused on BS terms like “skins on the wall” , “head coaching experience” “enough head coaching experience”, “He hasn’t been a coordinator”, “He can’t handle the job at a place like Texas” etc…

A university and AD has to have a vision, and allow the correct hire to win over a fan base. They have to evaluate coaching talent, and have the set of stones to make the correct hire going against the grain of more experienced resumes.

It’s absolutely ridiculous to think Texas or any major university would not have hired these guys … and there are many more I could have added …


Dabo Swinney
Had NEVER been a coordinator. No HC experience when elevated at Clemson.
139-32
2 NC’s
4 CFB Playoffs
6 ACC Titles
About to be 10 straight seasons of 10 or more wins

Jimmy Johnson
29-25-3 at Oklahoma State
AT Miami 52-9

Nick Saban
34-24-1 at Michigan State. One freaking 9 win season in five years.
Since being hired at LSU, 209-39 at LSU and Alabama.
6 NC’s
10 SEC Titles
About to be 14 AP Poll top 10 finishes
About to be 13th straight season of 10 or more wins at Bama

Pete Carroll
Had a NFL HC record of 27-31 when USC hired him. Zero college HC experience.
When USC hired him in 2001, it had been 18 years since he coached in college.
97-19 at USC
2 NC’s
7 Pac-12 titles
7 AP Poll top 10 finishes

Bob Stoops no HC experience
190-48 at Oklahoma
1 NC
10 Big 12 titles
11 AP Poll top 10 finishes
14 seasons of 10 or more wins in 18 years.

Barry Switzer no HC experience when OU elevated him
157-29-4
3 NC’s
12 Top 10 poll finishes
12 conference titles

Tom Osborne no HC experience when Nebraska elevated him
255-49-3
3 NC’s
25 straight seasons of 9 or more wins
13 conference titles
21 top 10 poll finishes

Bill Snyder zero HC experience when Kansas State hired him

Vince Dooley zero HC experience when Georgia hired him

Joe Paterno zero HC experience when hired

They were handed a Ferrari, but they are handling it well …. No HC experience
Lincoln Riley
Ryan Day

Jimbo Fisher at FSU
Won NC. It didn’t end well, but FSU has issues that they still can’t get fixed.
Has Texas A&M an inch from CFB playoff this year

Utah and Northwestern aren’t going to win an NC, but they have hired the right coaches for the job … and they have enjoyed the most sustained success in program history.

I can go on and on, and do the same in college basketball …

Coach K - 73-59 at Army prior to Duke. Wasn’t immediate success at Duke.

Tom Izzo - no HC experience

Dean Smith - no HC experience

Roy Williams - No HC experience prior to KU hiring him

Jim Boheim - No HC experience prior to Syracuse elevating

Denny Crum - No HC experience prior to Louisville hiring

Guy V. Lewis - no HC experience prior to Houston elevating

Billy Donovan was 35-20 in two seasons at Marshall prior to Florida hiring him

***And look at UT legends

Cliff Gustafson
Was a high school head coach when Texas hired him.

DKR
Had a 17-13 record coming off a 5-5 season at Washington when Texas hired him
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8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Well, we woke up there in a crusted pool of our own vomit,  with a screaming headache. We’ll take who we can get and go to bed to recuperate before starting all over again in 3-4 years.

It all makes sense now. Any port in a storm, and boy the wind is blowin

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1 minute ago, Landomatic said:

Exactly this. That whole "did more with less" coach quite often doesn't translate to a place where they have to do "more with more" which is what a Campbell could be. It's one thing to motivate a bunch of 2 and 3 stars to punch above their weight. It's a completely different thing to motivate a bunch of cocky 4 and 5 stars to check their egos at the door and play for the name on the front of their jersey rather than the name on the back of it. Campbell just feels like rinse and repeat from what we've had to me. He's having one hot year at a school in our conference. Whoopie.

I don't necessarily disagree - but I do think the fact that Campbell has been a Head Coach for 10 years (at two different schools) might be enough of a differentiator to make Campbell a 'safer bet' then the last two coaches.  I also appreciate that Campbell didn't necessarily pad his record by being a coach at a smaller 'kingmaker' school (yes I hate myself for quoting Ian Boyd) that has certain advantages over its Rivals (like Houston or Louisville).  No one goes to Iowa State thinking thats the fast track to their next opportunity.

I don't like that Campbell seemingly has the same early-season wtf losses that plagued Herman.

I don't like that so much of Campbell's success seemingly is the result of Heacock and his defense - who might not even be coming with him. 

 

Certainly no sure thing - but despite being younger than Herman he seems a hell of a lot more mature and less likely to embarrass the university on and off the field. 

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9 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Is he a demanding prick who works his ass off day and night? If so, I'm all in. If not, it is a hard pass.

I don't know this for a fact, but my read on Campbell is that he's a really good guy and a player's coach. And again, I don't think that necessarily translates to UT

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18 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Is Campbell's 6 million buyout not a concern?  Considering how much was written about the BMD's lack of interest in cutting a check to buyout Herman for anyone not name Urban Meyer - are they now ready to cut the 25 million dollar check for Herman and staff, then another 6 million to buyout Campbell, and then 7 million plus for Campbell and whatever his staff costs on top of that?

Not a bmd but they save a lot on the annual salary.  At this point a change has to be made.  I suspect he can do well here. Enough to dethrone ou?   Not sure.  Also not sure how great a recruiter he is.  I know it’s isu

 

actually we saved isu from going to the Mac.  Maybe they’ll cut us a break

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19 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Is Campbell's 6 million buyout not a concern?  Considering how much was written about the BMD's lack of interest in cutting a check to buyout Herman for anyone not name Urban Meyer - are they now ready to cut the 25 million dollar check for Herman and staff, then another 6 million to buyout Campbell, and then 7 million plus for Campbell and whatever his staff costs on top of that?

I think it's down to $5mm, and yes the money would be there for Campbell. 

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8 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

So how does that ‘5 star culture not 5 star players’ mantra work when you’re at a school that is expected to have 5 star players?  

I wouldn't conflate trying to turn your 3*s at ISU into 5* star players with choosing not to pursue elite talent at a top program

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4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Lol wait there’s a chance that campbell may say no?   Ok

It seems that he'd probably pick Michigan, which may or may not open up, over Texas. Some think that he'd turn down Texas even if Michigan doesn't open up, but I think he'd take the job, and we'd roll the dice on one of the more promising young coaches to come around in awhile. Maybe he'd work out, maybe he wouldn't. 

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I'm sure I'll bring down all the hate, arrogance, vitriol, "Who the fuck do you think you are, boy?" type shit, but I don't see any way in hell Campbell is going to be your coach.

Campbell leaving ISU for Texas is the kinda the living breathing antithesis of everything he's done so far, and what his entire brand his been.

Yes, Texas is one of the 5 biggest jobs in the country.  Few (if any) schools can pay you more.  But it also comes with outrageous expectations in terms of what being successful is.  It requires a ton of hob-knobbing with entitled more-money-than-God type donors, and by all accounts from his time in Ames, Campbell absolutely hates that shit.  Campbell's brand is building up overlooked guys into quality players.  It's not wining and dining the high end talent that a school like Texas expects.  He's a Kirk Ferentz or Bill Snyder.  Not an Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney.  Is that guy going to work at Texas?  Probably not.

Then there's the fact that going to Texas would force him to walk back into the place where he built a program in half a decade, every other year.  It's just human nature to want to avoid that.  

He's also a pretty entrenched Midwest or Rust Belt guy, historically.  Going to Ames was at the periphery of where he wants to be geographically.  His recruiting efforts have focused on Ohio/Michigan/PA, the Great Lakes area in general, and ISU doesn't have a ton of Texas guys.  I don't think that he has that many Texas recruiting connections.

At the end of the day, you have all the money, resources, and in-state talent anyone could ever want.  You also offer a lot of headaches to go with it.  If Campbell does go Texas, he'll be out on his ass in 4 years, with his legacy pretty well shredded.  Matt Campbell is a great coach at the right school.  Texas could be one of the best jobs in the country.  This is a really bad fit of coach and school, and I suspect that Campbell is smart enough to know that.  I'm under no delusion that he'll stay at ISU forever, but this isn't the kind of job he's leaving for.  He wants to be in control.  He wants to bring his guys with him.  He doesn't want to deal with the external bullshit that a job like Texas forces.

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2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm sure I'll bring down all the hate, arrogance, vitriol, "Who the fuck do you think you are, boy?" type shit, but I don't see any way in hell Campbell is going to be your coach.

Campbell leaving ISU for Texas is the kinda the living breathing antithesis of everything he's done so far, and what his entire brand his been.

Yes, Texas is one of the 5 biggest jobs in the country.  Few (if any) schools can pay you more.  But it also comes with outrageous expectations in terms of what being successful is.  It requires a ton of hob-knobbing with entitled more-money-than-God type donors, and by all accounts from his time in Ames, Campbell absolutely hates that shit.  Campbell's brand is building up overlooked guys into quality players.  It's not wining and dining the high end talent that a school like Texas expects.  He's a Kirk Ferentz or Bill Snyder.  Not an Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney.  Is that guy going to work at Texas?  Probably not.

Then there's the fact that going to Texas would force him to walk back into the place where he built a program in half a decade, every other year.  It's just human nature to want to avoid that.  

He's also a pretty entrenched Midwest or Rust Belt guy, historically.  Going to Ames was at the periphery of where he wants to be geographically.  His recruiting efforts have focused on Ohio/Michigan/PA, the Great Lakes area in general, and ISU doesn't have a ton of Texas guys.  I don't think that he has that many Texas recruiting connections.

At the end of the day, you have all the money, resources, and in-state talent anyone could ever want.  You also offer a lot of headaches to go with it.  If Campbell does go Texas, he'll be out on his ass in 4 years, with his legacy pretty well shredded.  Matt Campbell is a great coach at the right school.  Texas could be one of the best jobs in the country.  This is a really bad fit of coach and school, and I suspect that Campbell is smart enough to know that.  I'm under no delusion that he'll stay at ISU forever, but this isn't the kind of job he's leaving for.  He wants to be in control.  He wants to bring his guys with him.  He doesn't want to deal with the external bullshit that a job like Texas forces.

Oh whatever fuck off. Who the fuck do you think you are, boy?

Just kidding...I think this is spot on. Just doesn't feel like a right fit at all to me, for him or UT.

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2 minutes ago, Landomatic said:

Oh whatever fuck off. Who the fuck do you think you are, boy?

Just kidding...I think this is spot on. Just doesn't feel like a right fit at all to me, for him or UT.

I think maybe the biggest thing that he's not the kind of guy who is cut out for dealing with the egos you see with the absolute elite talent, and everything that goes with that.  The irony of being in Texas's position is that even though you have seemingly unlimited resources, it takes a really specific skill set to navigate all of this successfully, and those guys don't just grow on trees.

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9 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm sure I'll bring down all the hate, arrogance, vitriol, "Who the fuck do you think you are, boy?" type shit, but I don't see any way in hell Campbell is going to be your coach.

Campbell leaving ISU for Texas is the kinda the living breathing antithesis of everything he's done so far, and what his entire brand his been.

Yes, Texas is one of the 5 biggest jobs in the country.  Few (if any) schools can pay you more.  But it also comes with outrageous expectations in terms of what being successful is.  It requires a ton of hob-knobbing with entitled more-money-than-God type donors, and by all accounts from his time in Ames, Campbell absolutely hates that shit.  Campbell's brand is building up overlooked guys into quality players.  It's not wining and dining the high end talent that a school like Texas expects.  He's a Kirk Ferentz or Bill Snyder.  Not an Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney.  Is that guy going to work at Texas?  Probably not.

Then there's the fact that going to Texas would force him to walk back into the place where he built a program in half a decade, every other year.  It's just human nature to want to avoid that.  

He's also a pretty entrenched Midwest or Rust Belt guy, historically.  Going to Ames was at the periphery of where he wants to be geographically.  His recruiting efforts have focused on Ohio/Michigan/PA, the Great Lakes area in general, and ISU doesn't have a ton of Texas guys.  I don't think that he has that many Texas recruiting connections.

At the end of the day, you have all the money, resources, and in-state talent anyone could ever want.  You also offer a lot of headaches to go with it.  If Campbell does go Texas, he'll be out on his ass in 4 years, with his legacy pretty well shredded.  Matt Campbell is a great coach at the right school.  Texas could be one of the best jobs in the country.  This is a really bad fit of coach and school, and I suspect that Campbell is smart enough to know that.  I'm under no delusion that he'll stay at ISU forever, but this isn't the kind of job he's leaving for.  He wants to be in control.  He wants to bring his guys with him.  He doesn't want to deal with the external bullshit that a job like Texas forces.

All seems very true.  I think thats why it is much easier to see him waiting out the Michigan job then jumping in conference to Texas.

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