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7 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

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The NCAA tourney is the best event in sports.  STFU Klatt.

I personally prefer the College World Series to NCAA Basketball Tournament. If the idiots ever fix the seeding of the CFP, it will probably take the #1 spot for me with Basketball pulling in 3rd.

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On 11/14/2019 at 11:36 AM, USMCHorn said:

Joel Klatt and Gus Johnson is the perfect broadcast combo.

I have always enjoyed them because Klatt’s straightforward, knowledge based style balances Gus’s, er, extra THOOZIUM, as Bama’s great edge man Will Anderson used to call it.  I wish Will were playing Friday vs OU.  Joel and Gus called the Bama at Wisconsin game last year and it was a relief to the beating we suffer through watching the ESPN crews. 

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You can't have a Cinderella when the field is 4 teams big.  It's only been a 12 team playoff once so far and even that year, there was a clear top 4 or 5. This year might be different, the top 10 feel a lot closer to together.

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2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Klatt's take is dumb.  Cinderellas haven't happened in CFB because the system was always designed that way.  No team had a chance to "get hot" at the end of a season and make an exciting underdog run.

Cinderellas don’t tend to happen in football because of the way the sport is designed vs basketball. One guy makes a huge difference in basketball with 5 guys on the court playing offense and defense.  Even a great QB can’t consistently overcome the other 25-30ish guys who are a meaningful part of a football game. 

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Just now, Surly Bevo said:

Cinderellas don’t tend to happen in football because of the way the sport is designed vs basketball. One guy makes a huge difference in basketball with 5 guys on the court playing offense and defense.  Even a great QB can’t consistently overcome the other 25-30ish guys who are a meaningful part of a football game. 

I agree that there is a greater matrix of variables involved in football success versus basketball.  

 

My point is year 1 of the 12 team playoff was won by an 8 seed.   Its inevitable that a 12 will win it.  

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Klatt and Neuheisel are the two best analysts in CFB today. Gus Johnson was a breath of fresh air when he first burst onto the play-by-play scene, but he took himself and his overthetop style too seriously and now he's just another annoying windbag calling every 3-yard handoff the greatest play he ever saw at ear-splitting volume levels. Neuheisel on Full Ride is knowledgeable and  insightful, but that assclown Childers is absolutely unlistenable.

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11 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I agree that there is a greater matrix of variables involved in football success versus basketball.  

 

My point is year 1 of the 12 team playoff was won by an 8 seed.   Its inevitable that a 12 will win it.  

If the G5 remain in and take the 12 seed, they will never win it. Ever. 

No G5 is winning the CFP. In fact, no only will the 2 G5 in this year lose badly in the first round, the TV numbers are going to be massive losers too. 

That OSU was seeded 8 last year is a much bigger slam on the stupid committee process than it is a support of Cinderella stories in college football.

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22 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Don’t usually see dumb click bait takes from Klatt.

Klatt is pretty fucking far from a click baiter. He's among the best, if not the best in his takes. 

You might not like them, but they are solid. He's the best out there right now.

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Just now, BurntEyes said:

If the G5 remain in and take the 12 seed, they will never win it. Ever. 

Clemson was the 12 seed last year.

Someone will lose 2 early, get hot make the playoffs and win it.  

 

Ever is a long time.  Generally I agree its an astronomical long shot, but ever doesn't hold up.  No 16 ever beat a 1, until they did.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Klatt is pretty fucking far from a click baiter. He's among the best, if not the best in his takes. 

You might not like them, but they are solid. He's the best out there right now.

That’s my point exactly. This take is nonsense. The rest of what he does is usually refreshing and spot on. 

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The seeding was different last year, as the top conference winners were guaranteed a bye. Otherwise Boise would’ve probably been the 12 seed, and the G5 will almost certainly be the 12 moving forward in the current system. 

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I think both things can be true.

(1) The NCAA tournament is not the best way to determine the best team in college basketball because, as he said, one and done can and often does knock off a far superior team which is why the NBA does best of 7 series for each round.

(2) It's fun as hell to watch especially when a Cinderella upsets a blueblood. 

I agree with the comment above that college baseball is a far better system, it gives some flexibility for top seeds to drop a game early and still advance.

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38 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Klatt is pretty fucking far from a click baiter. He's among the best, if not the best in his takes. 

You might not like them, but they are solid. He's the best out there right now.

He finally recovered from his brain scrambling at the 2005 Big 12 CG.  

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In basketball, we crown a tourney champion more than the best team.  BCS/CFP and Omaha have always been treated a bit more seriously.

Also, just the sport won't let it be that way.  20-pt dogs in football win about 3% of the time, and when they do we scoff at the loser moreso than think the winner had a good run.

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1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Clemson was the 12 seed last year.

Someone will lose 2 early, get hot make the playoffs and win it.  

Ever is a long time.  Generally I agree its an astronomical long shot, but ever doesn't hold up.  No 16 ever beat a 1, until they did.

Sigh.. fine, but I've a very high level of confidence this ain't that year.

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2 hours ago, dieucla98 said:

You can't have a Cinderella when the field is 4 teams big.  It's only been a 12 team playoff once so far and even that year, there was a clear top 4 or 5. This year might be different, the top 10 feel a lot closer to together.

I won't repost stats I already have too many times, but the net is they really point out 4 excellent teams, then everyone else. The also rans tend to have a pretty big issue on D or offense and most of them are defensive issues. Then are a few that have inconsistent QB. Miami and Aggie have QB and D issues. 

However, there even the 4 "excellent" teams outside of Indiana have show some weaknesses (Georgia for example). So I get where your take comes from but I see it less as top 10 parity and more and lack of domination or schedule weaknesses by the "excellent" 4 which can create a false perception of broader parity.

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I agree that there is a greater matrix of variables involved in football success versus basketball.  
 
My point is year 1 of the 12 team playoff was won by an 8 seed.   Its inevitable that a 12 will win it.  

I don’t even consider that a Cinderella type story. Normally, the 12 teams are going to be bigger programs. I hope JMU wins, because they’ve got the best Twitter account going right now.
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College basketball is just not nearly as interesting to me any more. The one-and-dones have killed it. The basketball is not great. I agree the first weekend is a spectacle but after that, it just doesn’t hook me the way it once did. There was a time in the 80’s/90’s it didn’t get any better than college hoops for me.

My favorite sporting events are the Masters and the Stanley Cup Playoffs, especially the first round when teams are the healthiest and full of piss and vinegar.

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2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Pretty sure that hit would have been 15 yards and an ejection today iirc

Which one? He got absolutely fucking obliterated numerous times in that game. I started feeling bad for him. He took a Klingler-esque beating. Probably much worse than that, actually.

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4 hours ago, linux said:

I find it funny that he is out there grifting for the mouse wanting higher rated playoff games, not that fully disagree with him, football is more predictable.

Klatt works for FOX, and  has nothing to do with "the mouse". 

So you don't have to laugh....

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Boise State was #9 going into the Fiesta Bowl and was +7.5

Utah was #7 going into the Sugar Bowl vs Bama and was +9.5

I think people look back and misremember these being massive upsets when they really were pretty standard upsets.

And both those teams would have made a "best 12" playoff.

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4 hours ago, MrX said:

The seeding was different last year, as the top conference winners were guaranteed a bye. Otherwise Boise would’ve probably been the 12 seed, and the G5 will almost certainly be the 12 moving forward in the current system. 

No, Boise could and should have been the 12 seed last year.  The committee in their infinite wisdom choice to rank them ahead of 2 P4 conference champs.  And doubled down by putting JMU ahead of Duke this year.

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4 hours ago, C-Man said:

College basketball is just not nearly as interesting to me any more. The one-and-dones have killed it. The basketball is not great. I agree the first weekend is a spectacle but after that, it just doesn’t hook me the way it once did. There was a time in the 80’s/90’s it didn’t get any better than college hoops for me.

My favorite sporting events are the Masters and the Stanley Cup Playoffs, especially the first round when teams are the healthiest and full of piss and vinegar.

1990’s Kentucky v Duke regional final was peak college basketball. 

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14 hours ago, scramblyn said:

1990-91 UNLV v Duke regional finals were peak college basketball. 

Fixed for you cause fuck Duke and Grand MaMa was da shit. Grove rat up in this bisnatch! what what! 

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5 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I disagree with Klatt on this take, but he can be wrong once every several years and still be one of the very best talking heads out there.

This is the correct answer

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41 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Fixed for you cause fuck Duke and Grand MaMa was da shit. Grove rat up in this bisnatch! what what! 

Duke UNLV was peak CBB too, same era.

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15 hours ago, scramblyn said:

1990’s Kentucky v Duke regional final was peak college basketball. 

 

10 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

Duke UNLV was peak CBB too, same era.

Probably depends on your age, but I'm going with 1979 Michigan State/Indiana State final, or the 1982 North Carolina/Georgetown Final as being peak NCAA basketball.

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8 minutes ago, 83Horn said:

 

Probably depends on your age, but I'm going with 1979 Michigan State/Indiana State final, or the 1982 North Carolina/Georgetown Final as being peak NCAA basketball.

that was real basketball too. basically anything between the late 70's and mid to late 90's was fucking fantastic. 

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