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On 5/11/2025 at 7:41 AM, Pancho said:

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He's is pretty cool and if young football players are looking to emulate someone Hunter would be a really good choice. He made that woman's day just by being kind and well mannered.  I read a story about his background recently and this is exactly who he is all of the time according to those who know him the best. I have no team in the NFL so I'll just watch his games and hope he does well playing both ways. 

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I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

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On 5/12/2025 at 3:46 PM, TreatyOak said:

No idea if this is true or not, but for the sake of the human experience, I pray that the interview footage is released so we can evaluate it. 

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Why would the Browns, the organization that gave Watson an enormous guaranteed contract while the stories were starting to come out about his legal issues, worry about the Sanders  draft interview video be released when they long ago established they don't know what the fuck they are doing?

They only thing it might establish is how many alarms of a dumpster fire, but regardless they are still a dumpster fire of an organization.  

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37 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

1) Cleveland QB historicals beg to differ with your hypothesis 

2) The reason he was taken as late as he was as second QB by Cleveland speaks to the value bet they placed. See #1 for excellent history in that regard.

3) He and his father along with some help from the mediots did all the digging of that grave. 

4) He made the bed, but you're of course welcome to lie in it with him.

Edit - 5) Amusingly, I had a similar conversation with less media flair about Johnny 8Ball with my BIL the Thanksgiving after he was drafted. He really only follows the NFL and thought it would work out great. We haven't spoken about it since.

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7 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

Why would the Browns, the organization that gave Watson an enormous guaranteed contract while the stories were starting to come out about his legal issues, worry about the Sanders  draft interview video be released when they long ago established they don't know what the fuck they are doing?

They only thing it might establish is how many alarms of a dumpster fire, but regardless they are still a dumpster fire of an organization.  

It also seems pretty evident the head coach didn't support this decision. Cleveland, we're not Detroit!

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53 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

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7 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

He's is pretty cool and if young football players are looking to emulate someone Hunter would be a really good choice. He made that woman's day just by being kind and well mannered.  I read a story about his background recently and this is exactly who he is all of the time according to those who know him the best. I have no team in the NFL so I'll just watch his games and hope he does well playing both ways. 

Graduated CU with honors (3.8 GPA), too.  First CU player ever who was an Academic All American and a first team All American.  According to him, all he does is play football, watch film, play video games and fish.

3 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

The raw skill was never an issue. He's definitely got the tools to turn into a very good NFL QB if he can get his head straight.

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31 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Graduated CU with honors (3.8 GPA), too.  First CU player ever who was an Academic All American and a first team All American.  According to him, all he does is play football, watch film, play video games and fish.

The raw skill was never an issue. He's definitely got the tools to turn into a very good NFL QB if he can get his head straight.

General question on the graduation GPA. 

If I were to start my academic career two years elsewhere, say UTSA,  transfer to UT and then graduate with my degree does the second school count the grades of the first school in the GPA graduation?

Really a silly question, but I never really thought about it before and was curious. 

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4 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

Counterpoint: he was drafted by the Browns

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6 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

General question on the graduation GPA. 

If I were to start my academic career two years elsewhere, say UTSA,  transfer to UT and then graduate with my degree does the second school count the grades of the first school in the GPA graduation?

Really a silly question, but I never really thought about it before and was curious. 

I think it varies by school.  no idea how it really works, TBH.

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44 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

... First CU player ever who was an Academic All American and a first team All American. 

Byron White says "Hey, does being a Supreme Court Justice count for anything?"

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15 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

General question on the graduation GPA. 

If I were to start my academic career two years elsewhere, say UTSA,  transfer to UT and then graduate with my degree does the second school count the grades of the first school in the GPA graduation?

Really a silly question, but I never really thought about it before and was curious. 

i can only speak to how it worked 20 years ago : No 

also if you take classes at ACC while already enrolled at UT , the ACC credits transfer in but the GPA does not. I may or may not have taken advantage of this 

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9 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Byron White says "Hey, does being a Supreme Court Justice count for anything?"

Good point.  CU is the one that put out that stat.  I wonder if Academic All Americans wasn't a thing yet? He certainly would have qualified for it.

EDIT: Yep, Academic All Americans wasn't a thing until 1952

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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

Good point.  CU is the one that put out that stat.  I wonder if Academic All Americans wasn't a thing yet? He certainly would have qualified for it.

I think he was runner-up for Heisman, too, so I'm guessing he made every possible All-America team...

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14 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Byron White says "Hey, does being a Supreme Court Justice count for anything?"

Whizzer.  I assume that is a golden shower reference..

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33 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Byron White says "Hey, does being a Supreme Court Justice count for anything?"

You forgot student body president, and Rhodes Scholar.  All nice bullet points on your resume, but not sure if it gets a jersey number retired or any thing like that. 

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1 minute ago, PGFrog said:

You forgot student body president, and Rhodes Scholar.  All nice bullet points on your resume, but not sure if it gets a jersey number retired or any thing like that. 

Yes, his jersey is retired as well.

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Just now, PGFrog said:

You forgot student body president, and Rhodes Scholar.  All nice bullet points on your resume, but not sure if it gets a jersey number retired or any thing like that. 

Forgot? Nahhh, just didn;t know the one and ignored the other.

On the other hand, yippee-kai-yayying it up over that distance in spacetime isn't far removed from glorying in a #1 ranking from 1939, so there's that...

 

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1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

Forgot? Nahhh, just didn;t know the one and ignored the other.

On the other hand, yippee-kai-yayying it up over that distance in spacetime isn't far removed from glorying in a #1 ranking from 1939, so there's that...

 

Well, did Bryon White storm the beaches of Normandy without any help?

Didn't think so!!!

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7 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

That is an epic misread of his character.

 

2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

I am curious which organization named Sanders and academic all-American.  

Here is a link to the https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cosidaallamerican.sidearmsports.com/documents/2025/1/27/24AAA_Football_Final.pdf and Travis Hunter is on the first two teams, but not Sanders unless I missed the name.

There are all-district lists, but I am too lazy to go through those. 

The Academic AA talk was about Hunter, not Sanders.

Try to keep up.

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2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

I am curious which organization named Sanders and academic all-American.  

Here is a link to the https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cosidaallamerican.sidearmsports.com/documents/2025/1/27/24AAA_Football_Final.pdf and Travis Hunter is on the first two teams, but not Sanders unless I missed the name.

There are all-district lists, but I am too lazy to go through those. 

I'm guessing you've never been an academic all-American either.

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3 hours ago, PGFrog said:

General question on the graduation GPA. 

If I were to start my academic career two years elsewhere, say UTSA,  transfer to UT and then graduate with my degree does the second school count the grades of the first school in the GPA graduation?

Really a silly question, but I never really thought about it before and was curious. 

At all the schools where I've worked, the combined GPA would be called your "overall GPA" and then there would also be a school-specific GPA for your current school.  

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3 hours ago, PGFrog said:

I am curious which organization named Sanders and academic all-American.  

Here is a link to the https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/cosidaallamerican.sidearmsports.com/documents/2025/1/27/24AAA_Football_Final.pdf and Travis Hunter is on the first two teams, but not Sanders unless I missed the name.

There are all-district lists, but I am too lazy to go through those. 

Great Job GIF by MOODMAN

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3 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

That is an epic misread of his character.

 

The Academic AA talk was about Hunter, not Sanders.

Try to keep up.

Nah....much more interesting using the spaghetti against the wall technique. 

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

I'm guessing you've never been an academic all-American either.

If you have to guess on that then there is at least two of us not on that list. 

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11 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Why would the Browns, the organization that gave Watson an enormous guaranteed contract while the stories were starting to come out about his legal issues, worry about the Sanders  draft interview video be released when they long ago established they don't know what the fuck they are doing?

They only thing it might establish is how many alarms of a dumpster fire, but regardless they are still a dumpster fire of an organization.  

There's your answer

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On 5/15/2025 at 11:03 AM, Chewbacca said:

Graduated CU with honors (3.8 GPA), too.  First CU player ever who was an Academic All American and a first team All American.  According to him, all he does is play football, watch film, play video games and fish.

The raw skill was never an issue. He's definitely got the tools to turn into a very good NFL QB if he can get his head straight.

Actually the mantra was his ego didn’t match his skills.  Average size, athleticism and arm. Didn’t put in the work during the interview process, doesn’t follow the plays, etc

On 5/15/2025 at 7:06 AM, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

I think Sheduers antics seems to indicate he takes himself too seriously 

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2-3 years from now will give us the answer.  He can get absolutely pummeled in his rookie year, and it won't be indicative of much.  The assessment of Sanders will be a long game, possibly( almost certainly) involving another franchise.  Some of his circumstances are gonna be because of Cleveland. Some ain't.

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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Actually the mantra was his ego didn’t match his skills.  Average size, athleticism and arm. Didn’t put in the work during the interview process, doesn’t follow the plays, etc

I think Sheduers antics seems to indicate he takes himself too seriously 

I guess he has engaged in some antics that do indicate that. But he's also responded to some things with some humility and good humor and cheer, which is usually a green flag for someone who has a healthy sense of self, identity, and emotional maturity.

A couple of examples-- his response to being pranked on what is maybe the biggest day of his life in a myriad of emotions as things arent going well. He seemed to be able to empathisize with a dumb kid and not villianize:

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“It didn’t really have an impact on me,” he said during a Browns conference call on April 26, according to NFL.com.

“Because it was just like, I mean, OK, like I don’t feed into negativity or I don’t feed into that stuff ... My reaction to it, I don’t — it is what it is. I think of course the dude was childish. Of course, I feel like it was a childish act, but everybody does childish things here and there.”

 

Speaking of having maybe your lowest and most embarrassing moment in life the subject of a high profile organization and headline news story for all to jeer, he seemed to show some humility and good humor:

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Sanders said "some of the memes" were "funny" 

Maybe the funniest was his self-awareness and laughing at himself with the "are you going to buy your number like Cam Ward did?" questions:

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"Nah, I gotta sell it bro. I gotta have some type of money. I'm already down." 

Talking about a 4th round rookie deal pf $4mm vs Cam Ward's $48.7mm deal.

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14 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I guess he has engaged in some antics that do indicate that. But he's also responded to some things with some humility and good humor and cheer, which is usually a green flag for someone who has a healthy sense of self, identity, and emotional maturity.

A couple of examples-- his response to being pranked on what is maybe the biggest day of his life in a myriad of emotions as things arent going well. He seemed to be able to empathisize with a dumb kid and not villianize:

Speaking of having maybe your lowest and most embarrassing moment in life the subject of a high profile organization and headline news story for all to jeer, he seemed to show some humility and good humor:

Maybe the funniest was his self-awareness and laughing at himself with the "are you going to buy your number like Cam Ward did?" questions:

Talking about a 4th round rookie deal pf $4mm vs Cam Ward's $48.7mm deal.

Crazy his antics cost him at least 30 million.   I guess dad has to own half of that

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Crazy his antics cost him at least 30 million.   I guess dad has to own half of that

Yea for sure. But like others have said, his story is far from being over (for good and for bad).

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4 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I think he has potential.  I really do

Yeah but he has been sent to the QB graveyard of Cleveland Ohio. A place where youthful potential gets wasted and veteran legacies get tarnished.

Baker Mayfield is the only one in 25 years to emerge with a career.

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Shedeur is very likely their best chance at moving the chains. But the instant he struggles for two games in a row he'll become despondent with his OC. And I bet it'll take him awhile to grow out of being obsessed with his passing percentage to the detriment of field position. The tackles and the o line coaching staff will be wondering what the fuck he's trying to do in the pocket and why he hates their paycheck. 

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1 hour ago, Chooky said:

Shedeur is very likely their best chance at moving the chains. But the instant he struggles for two games in a row he'll become despondent with his OC. And I bet it'll take him awhile to grow out of being obsessed with his passing percentage to the detriment of field position. The tackles and the o line coaching staff will be wondering what the fuck he's trying to do in the pocket and why he hates their paycheck. 

You have more faith in Shedeur being able to move the Browns offense than say Flaco based upon what exactly?

Flaco isn't good and at his age I can't see him lasting more than half a season, but do you honestly trust any other quarterback on the roster to read an NFL secondary, to recognize what the defense is setting up to do and to audible into the proper play?  

So ,much of that league is seeing, recognizing, and making the right choices before the ball is even snapped I don't trust either of their rookies.

 

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On 5/15/2025 at 7:06 AM, Vegas64 said:

I have a super unpopular opinion:

I actually think Sanders is going to be a great QB in the league (top 10 QB, if not an MVP candidate one day) and think he’s going to have a 10-year+ career. He’s impressed me with his positive attitude with all the chaos that’s happened and he doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously IMO. If prediction markets would let us buy a stake in a players career he’d be a huge value buy for me, based on how he’s pretty much been buried before playing a snap.

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6 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Trending GIF nene nene leakes i said what i said

If Vegas actually had a line on future players success in broad strokes, they would hedge a medium because way too much is unknown. Similarly, because of all the drama, the lines would likely be bet pretty evenly success vs failure. User name does not check out.

You keep saying the prognostications already have him doing nothing in the NFL. That's mostly coming from you and not the media or fans at large. The media and general public seems to be pretty evenly split on success vs failure aside from the 2 things almost everyone agrees upon. First, whatever his future holds, if success is a part of it, it won't be in Cleveland. The second is it will be an adjustment for him being coached by someone not named Deion. 

The rest of your jibber doesn't match well with reality. 

Edit - So I'm clear, I watched him play a LOT and I can tell you I'd much rather have Dillion Gabriel playing QB for the Longhorns or Cowboys than Shadeur. Take that to mean whatever you like.

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With his attention to detail and understanding of what is important to a professional leader, surely Sanders will shoot right up the depth chart!

 

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32 minutes ago, Mittens said:

With his attention to detail and understanding of what is important to a professional leader, surely Sanders will shoot right up the depth chart!

 

Sanders didn't take any first-team reps in Wednesday's workout, which was noted by the Cleveland media. That isn't surprising at all. Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett are the veterans presumably at the top of the depth chart. Fellow rookie Dillon Gabriel was drafted in the third round, two rounds before Sanders. Sanders was the only quarterback to not take first-team reps, according to Daniel Oyefusi of ESPN. 

 

 

Basically he's only practiced against 3rd and 4th stringers and the fan boys run with his performance vs that as he's doing so well in camp but reality is he's not getting any run.

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38 minutes ago, Mittens said:

With his attention to detail and understanding of what is important to a professional leader, surely Sanders will shoot right up the depth chart!

 

"Hey Joe, the cameras are on!" 

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Sanders didn't take any first-team reps in Wednesday's workout, which was noted by the Cleveland media. That isn't surprising at all. Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett are the veterans presumably at the top of the depth chart. Fellow rookie Dillon Gabriel was drafted in the third round, two rounds before Sanders. Sanders was the only quarterback to not take first-team reps, according to Daniel Oyefusi of ESPN. 
 
 
Basically he's only practiced against 3rd and 4th stringers and the fan boys run with his performance vs that as he's doing so well in camp but reality is he's not getting any run.

I saw something the other day that showed him making 2 “td” passes. Of course, he was actually sacked on both plays.
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13 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


I saw something the other day that showed him making 2 “td” passes. Of course, he was actually sacked on both plays.

As long as he tends to hold the ball, an NFL caliber pass rush is going to be an interesting challenge for him.

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Like him or hate him, he makes cfb more interesting. hope he's not down more toes....

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Colorado football coach Deion Sanders has been away at his estate in Texas dealing with an unspecified health issue even as CU’s annual slate of summer football camps got underway last week in Boulder.

Sanders appeared at his CU summer camps in 2023 and 2024. Operating them is listed as one of the official duties in his employment contract with CU. His picture also is used by the university to advertise them.

But it’s unclear when Sanders is returning to Boulder. On Sunday, his eldest son Deion Jr. appeared on a YouTube livestream from the family estate in Canyon, Texas, where he said his father was in his room and “feeling well.”

“He’ll tell y’all soon enough what he going through, what he went through,” Deion Jr. said on the livestream.

He suggested that when they return to Boulder was open-ended.

“When we get back in Boulder, I don’t know,” Deion Jr. said June 8. “I’m waiting until my dad leaves. When he leaves, then I’ll go. Until then, I’m gonna sit here with him.”

Sanders, 57, also canceled a scheduled speaking engagement scheduled for June 8 in Florida. He canceled because of an "unavoidable last-minute scheduling change," according to The Foundation for Sickle Cell Research, whose symposium had advertised Sanders as its keynote speaker. The foundation instead replaced him with NBA legend Magic Johnson.

In 2023, issues related to blood clots in Deion Sanders' legs led him to miss a Pac-12 Conference media event in Las Vegas. He has been accompanied in Texas by CU athletic trainer Lauren Askevold, who has helped him with his legs since the issue got serious in 2021, including the amputation of two of his toes and the removal of the sides of his left calf.

Sanders has been out of the media spotlight since the NFL draft in April and suggested it was related to a health issue but didn’t say what exactly. He mentioned it on a podcast with former NFL cornerback Asante Samuel in late May.

“I hope you’re feeling better,” Samuel said to Sanders. Samuel then asked him if he ever tried fasting.

Sanders responded by saying “what I’m dealing with right now is at whole nother level” but said he’s coming back after losing about 14 pounds.

Last week, CU hosted separate camps for high school football players and eligible high school graduates. CU also is scheduled to host a youth football camp this week before a women’s football clinic on Thursday.

The university didn’t immediately respond to a message asking if Sanders would be appearing at this week’s camp activities.

His Buffaloes team opens the season on Aug. 29 at home against Georgia Tech.

 

 

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