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6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

You all live in a fantasy world.

 

4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Yes to both.  And there are a shit ton of like minded people that would never vote for a socialist.   I've already seen a few Democrats rejecting this nonsense because they know it is political suicide.

Keep it up. There's nothing more entertaining than whiny ass neoliberals crashing out because they couldn't buy an election.

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14 hours ago, chainsaw said:

The DNC will absolutely kneecap this guy in the general election. They hate grassroots movements and candidates who can excite voters.

No, they won't. 

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5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

Keep it up. There's nothing more entertaining than whiny ass neoliberals crashing out because they couldn't buy an election.

Skipper is just a conservative, man. 

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

This is the biggest gift Dems could possibly give R's heading into midterms with an unpopular president. In NYC of all places. Cue the fear porn about far left muslim socialists taking over the D party and it will be effective.   The left on this board can cheer this kind of stuff on all you want but it kills you with the average American that may not like Trump but will never get behind socialism and pronouns. Tidal wave of momentum is laughable.

Maybe this is just what people want 

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12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Skipper is just a conservative, man. 

LOL.  Never ceases to amaze me.  Anyone that dares to stray from the groupthink on this board is a trumper.  I'll leave you all to it but confident that every R (rightfully) worried about midterms views this as an absolute gift from a national messaging standpoint. 

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5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

LOL.  Never ceases to amaze me.  Anyone that dares to stray from the groupthink on this board is a trumper.  I'll leave you all to it but confident that every R (rightfully) worried about midterms views this as an absolute gift from a national messaging standpoint. 

This reminds me of TexAgs when a coveted recruit flips to Texas. Cry more.

Posted
6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Anyone that dares to stray from the groupthink on this board is a trumper.  I'll leave you all to it but confident that every R (rightfully) worried about midterms views this as an absolute gift from a national messaging standpoint. 

No one said you were a Trumper.

Show your work. Present some data.

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10 minutes ago, Skipper said:

LOL.  Never ceases to amaze me.  Anyone that dares to stray from the groupthink on this board is a trumper.  I'll leave you all to it but confident that every R (rightfully) worried about midterms views this as an absolute gift from a national messaging standpoint. 

I didn't say you're a trumper, I said you're a conservative. It's pretty obvious from your posting history. 

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I've already seen a few Democrats Republicans rejecting this nonsense Trump and Trumpism because they know it is political suicide.

We all saw 100 versions of the above over the last 10 years.  Shit, we saw people on this board say it.

They were all wrong.  Turns out, a mainstream party can be coopted into any brand of nutbar extremism.  Worrying about garden-variety progressivism as "political suicide" is quaint, but no longer applicable in America, 2025.

"Running to the combative extreme, and knowing that the rest of the party will follow" is the recipe.  I do think that it would be MOST successful bundled in the package of an older white guy, but even that may not be important anymore.

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20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We all saw 100 versions of the above over the last 10 years.  Shit, we saw people on this board say it.

They were all wrong.  Turns out, a mainstream party can be coopted into any brand of nutbar extremism.  Worrying about garden-variety progressivism as "political suicide" is quaint, but no longer applicable in America, 2025.

"Running to the combative extreme, and knowing that the rest of the party will follow" is the recipe.  I do think that it would be MOST successful bundled in the package of an older white guy, but even that may not be important anymore.

Yeah it's pretty obvious democrats can literally not win with people like Skipper, so why even try. Fuck em.

 

Trump refuses to work with the other side, and they praise him for it and say he's "standing up to them". But if a democrat takes a stand on something, they are "committing political suicide" and are seen as "too partisan". It's the double standard of all double standards.

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1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yeah it's pretty obvious democrats can literally not win with people like Skipper, so why even try. Fuck em.

 

Trump refuses to work with the other side, and they praise him for it and say he's "standing up to them". But if a democrat takes a stand on something, they are "committing political suicide" and are seen as "too partisan". It's the double standard of all double standards.

And hell, I don't know if it will win or not.  But the Dems have tried the "be a middle of the road, rational party" route, and they've gotten their asses handed to them by a LITERAL narcissistic psychopath with zero governing principles other than "me me me," selling messages of extreme xenophobic hatred and dissolution of the Republic to install an absolute monarchy.  It's been a completely winning message.  So, we know what the winning path in America 2025 looks like.  Might oughta try walking it.

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1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yeah it's pretty obvious democrats can literally not win with people like Skipper, so why even try. Fuck em.

I've only voted R for President once post Bush (Romney).  I voted straight D last election on anything non-local.   But if they want to move far left, that's fine, I'll sit and home and let the nutjobs on both sides fight it out.  And I'm fairly confident how that will go.   A lot like last cycle.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

And hell, I don't know if it will win or not.  But the Dems have tried the "be a middle of the road, rational party" route, and they've gotten their asses handed to them by a LITERAL narcissistic psychopath with zero governing principles other than "me me me," selling messages of extreme xenophobic hatred and dissolution of the Republic to install an absolute monarchy.  It's been a completely winning message.  So, we know what the winning path in America 2025 looks like.  Might oughta try walking it.

They got their asses handed to them (i) replacing an old AF candidate that proved to be outright incompetent at the debate (proving out 2 years of campaigning on the issue by R's better than they could have ever dreamed) and then inserted Kamala without any primary, (ii) with rampant inflation the last 2 years of his term (which in my view was inevitable and not Biden's fault but the President will always get the blame) and (iii) after setting themselves up to be attacked on massive illegal immigration (tried to fix too late and were of course blocked by the R's so it became a campaign issue) .    Take away any of those 3 and they likely win (and almost certainly take away either (i) or (ii) and they win).   It took a trainwreck for the R's to win the last cycle.  And 95% of this board was convinced it could not possibly happen right up until the election. 

But sure, I'm the irrational with a hot take that socialism is not a winning platform in the year of our lord 2025 LOL.   Again, most of this board lives in a fantasy world.  But carry on.

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Also a reminder that the DSA is not even particularly that much of a leftist organization in the greater context of the rest of the world. 

America is just that fucking right wing. Vomit 

Posted
2 hours ago, Skipper said:

I'll leave you all to it but confident that every R (rightfully) worried about midterms views this as an absolute gift from a national messaging standpoint. 

Dammit, now the Republicans are going to say we elected a Socialist in New York City.  We're doomed. Doomed I tell I ya! Next thing you know we'll have a Socialists Senator from Vermont.  

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2 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Dammit, now the Republicans are going to say we elected a Socialist in New York City.  We're doomed. Doomed I tell I ya! Next thing you know we'll have a Socialists Senator from Vermont.  

Yeah, the "Center of the World" is a tad more consequential than Vermont with a state population that is probably less than each borough.  Nobody cares about Vermont.  This made international news.

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6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Yeah, the "Center of the World" is a tad more consequential than Vermont with a state population that is probably less than each borough.  Nobody cares about Vermont.  This made international news.

The biggest surprise about electing a Socialist in NYC is that the rest of the country would have assumed the mayor of NYC was always a socialist.  This is irrelevant.  Nobody cares.  And that Vermont Senator came pretty came damn close to winning the nomination two cycles in a row.  That says way more about the Democratic Party as a whole. 

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44 minutes ago, Skipper said:

They got their asses handed to them (i) replacing an old AF candidate that proved to be outright incompetent at the debate (proving out 2 years of campaigning on the issue by R's better than they could have ever dreamed) and then inserted Kamala without any primary, (ii) with rampant inflation the last 2 years of his term (which in my view was inevitable and not Biden's fault but the President will always get the blame) and (iii) after setting themselves up to be attacked on massive illegal immigration (tried to fix too late and were of course blocked by the R's so it became a campaign issue) .    Take away any of those 3 and they likely win (and almost certainly take away either (i) or (ii) and they win).   It took a trainwreck for the R's to win the last cycle.  And 95% of this board was convinced it could not possibly happen right up until the election. 

But sure, I'm the irrational with a hot take that socialism is not a winning platform in the year of our lord 2025 LOL.   Again, most of this board lives in a fantasy world.  But carry on.

 

Pretend I don't know anything about the guy, which ain't that far from the truth. I haven't followed the primary at all beyond what I've read over the last week in this thread and the Democratic Party one. Yes, I subscribe to the NYTimes, but I skim past those articles for national and international news, and I don't watch teevee news. It's a local election, albeit for a very big and very important American city. In fact, I can't even rightly recall the winner's name right at this moment unless I went to go look it up. It's Mamedi or something. So, I'm pretty much a clean slate.

So, how socialist is this guy? Is he proposing that the city government take over Wall Street or something? Like, seriously, how radical is he? What turns you off so much about him specifically? You seem pretty upset by his election, and you obviously are very strongly opposed to it.

If you're trying to sway my or anyone else's opinion about how he's a radical departure from the mainstream and will drag the rest of the Democratic Party down with him, you have the floor and I'm listening. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I've only voted R for President once post Bush (Romney).  I voted straight D last election on anything non-local.   But if they want to move far left, that's fine, I'll sit and home and let the nutjobs on both sides fight it out.  And I'm fairly confident how that will go.   A lot like last cycle.

Pray tell, what part of Kamala's campaign was far left? Or was it nominating a candidate who wasn't a white man that you consider far left?

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59 minutes ago, Skipper said:

(i) replacing an old AF candidate that proved to be outright incompetent at the debate (proving out 2 years of campaigning on the issue by R's better than they could have ever dreamed) and then inserted Kamala without any primary,

The Dems didn't just get their asses handed to them in the presidential race.  They got it across the board, downballot, etc.

59 minutes ago, Skipper said:

(ii) with rampant inflation the last 2 years of his term (which in my view was inevitable and not Biden's fault but the President will always get the blame)

Partially true, but also partially counter-factual (thus proving that just fucking lying is really, really, really important to any winning approach) -- inflation had almost completely leveled out.  In terms of inflation and interest rates, the whole world was actually marveling that the US looked like it was executing a "soft-landing."  But the narrative was "MUH EGGS!" and that's all it takes.  Just fucking tell your story and lie about how bad it is, what the cause is, etc.  Dems need to do more of that.  Much, much, much more.

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

(iii) after setting themselves up to be attacked on massive illegal immigration (tried to fix too late and were of course blocked by the R's so it became a campaign issue) . 

Except......it's almost entirely a made up issue (seriously, statistically, there is not and has not been ANY "massive immigration" crisis.  The numbers simply aren't there).  Again, the right just makes up a narrative, demagogues on it, and wins.  The Dems need to do much, much more of that.  Completely manufacture an issue, paint the GOP as the villains, and do it directly and in simple language, on repeat for a decade.

Dems cannot win by being traditional centrists.  "Traditional centrists" are people of reason, facts, logic, and policy.  Not only do NONE of those things matter anymore, they are a fucking millstone around the neck of any campaign that actually wants to win.

Instead, accuse the GOP of raping chipmunks, create fake videos of them raping chipmunks, and make sure they saturate every social media outlet known to man.  Utterly stupid shit like that is how you win.

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10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Pray tell, what part of Kamala's campaign was far left? Or was it nominating a candidate who wasn't a white man that you consider far left?

When did I ever criticize Kamala's campaign or say she was far left.  I think she did the best she could under terrible circumstances (i.e., last minute replacement not on a single ballot until the national election).

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Instead, accuse the GOP of raping chipmunks, create fake videos of them raping chipmunks, and make sure they saturate every social media outlet known to man.  Utterly stupid shit like that is how you win.

I don't disagree that this would be a more successful tactic in the age of idiocracy compared to embracing socialism. 

To the poster above, it has nothing to do with this particular candidate or his particular platform. It's the larger optics of the "center of the universe" and home of Wall St potentially electing a self proclaimed socialist.   I'm talking about national perception in this thread.  Not local or specific policies.    It matters because it is NYC (again, I'm sorry, fucking Vermont is irrelevant in every sense of the word).  It's international news because it's NYC.  It led the today shows this AM.   And "far left socialists taking over America, just look at NYC" is a message that will resonate with swing voters.   The entire point is that it's not a great data point when dems will have every opportunity to win back a ton of seats in the midterms.

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3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I don't disagree that this would be a more successful tactic in the age of idiocracy compared to embracing socialism. 

"Embracing socialism."

When the governing regime is literally promising to just hand out money to Americans.  "We're gonna give everyone a $5,000 Trump DOGE rebate!"  "We're going to give  a $1,000 Trump account to every citizen baby born!"  "No taxes - AT ALL - on tips!"

Don't hit me with any shit about actual political ideology.  Promises to hand out free shit are the bread and butter of populist bullshit, which is the only remaining strain of American politics.  I guarangoddamntee you that if the Dems just promised to give every person in America an "early Social Security dividend" of $25k, they would fucking win more elections.  And the best part?  They wouldn't have to deliver.  Just win, take office, and then say "we tried, but Trump and Elon stole your money!"

Nevermind that the word "socialism" doesn't even mean anything anymore.  It's a code word that applies to literally everything that isn't "make sure all money ends up going to billionaires."  That's it.  Anything that advances any common good?  Socialism.  Fire departments?  Socialism.  Building roads?  Woke socialism.  Providing clean water?  Woke, DEI socialism.  

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21 minutes ago, Skipper said:

To the poster above, it has nothing to do with this particular candidate or his particular platform. It's the larger optics of the "center of the universe" and home of Wall St potentially electing a self proclaimed socialist.   I'm talking about national perception in this thread.  

Perception is not reality. 

And perception in American politics is a rigged game.  



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