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15 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Chuck Schumer has been winning elections to the U.S Senate for 26 years and elections to the House since before I was born, so I’ll need another argument for how his political instincts suck. 

It’s really bizarre to me how much shit Democrats shovel onto their most successful representatives. 
 

 

He’s been winning as a NY machine Democrat. Those political instincts don’t really translate to any other parts of the country and certainly not to national leadership. Having the party’s House and Senate leaders both from New York is a huge fuckup for the party.

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No. That was the Clinton faction. 

More HRC than Bill.  Schumer is a retail politician par excellence. And a sophisticated Washington legislator.  He’s not the face of the national Democratic Party and doesn’t want to be. 

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He’s been winning as a NY machine Democrat. Those political instincts don’t really translate to any other parts of the country and certainly not to national leadership. Having the party’s House and Senate leaders both from New York is a huge fuckup for the party.

I don’t disagree with you here but it’s wild to get up in arms at him for what he’s been doing to win elections since 1980. I wouldn’t back him for a national election but the Democrats could do much, much worse. 
 

He and Mitch both have been a bit of a firewall against some damage in a way people don’t appreciate if they don’t geek out on beltway shit.

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4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

More HRC than Bill.  Schumer is a retail politician par excellence. And a sophisticated Washington legislator.  He’s not the face of the national Democratic Party and doesn’t want to be. 

He's the goddam minority leader but he doesn't fucking act like it. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Chuck Schumer has been winning elections to the U.S Senate for 26 years and elections to the House since before I was born, so I’ll need another argument for how his political instincts suck. 

It’s really bizarre to me how much shit Democrats shovel onto their most successful representatives. 

What has he accomplished as a Senate leader?

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8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What has he accomplished as a Senate leader?

A record number of confirmed federal judges and a remarkable record of getting Biden’s agenda passed in a 50-50 chamber. 

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16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What has he accomplished as a Senate leader?

I would rephrase the question, slightly.

What has Schumer accomplished as a Senate leader that ordinary working class people are aware of and actually give a shit about?

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The Senate majority and minority leader is not someone you select for bold and inspirational rhetorical and ideological leadership; it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party. When you’re a minority leader coming off a presidential election, job one is literally to not get in the way of the incumbent’s party fucking things up.

The most politically successful senate leader in the past century was LBJ and let’s not rewrite history: the left wing of the party fucking hated him and he got the VP nod in a bid to appeal to racists. Much like Biden, he passed some of the most progressive legislation we’ve seen by running from the center.

You know what other senate leader polls dismally from his base? Mitch Fucking McConnell.  He’s RINO number one, most hated swamp creature and yet Mitch Fucking McConnell is the man most responsible for all the horrible fucking GOP wins we see. The Dems need their own creatures like him. 

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10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Senate majority and minority leader is not someone you select for bold and inspirational rhetorical and ideological leadership; it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party. When you’re a minority leader coming off a presidential election, job one is literally to not get in the way of the incumbent’s party fucking things up.

The most politically successful senate leader in the past century was LBJ and let’s not rewrite history: the left wing of the party fucking hated him and he got the VP nod in a bid to appeal to racists. Much like Biden, he passed some of the most progressive legislation we’ve seen by running from the center.

You know what other senate leader polls dismally from his base? Mitch Fucking McConnell.  He’s RINO number one, most hated swamp creature and yet Mitch Fucking McConnell is the man most responsible for all the horrible fucking GOP wins we see. The Dems need their own creatures like him. 

You’re a fucking moron. 

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

it’s someone who needs to win legislative knife fights and wrangle the party

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sure is great that 'ol chuck is that guy then

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Status quo got them elected, rich and keeps them in power.  Nothing's going to change from them because it's working for them.  The new, younger politicians ran on fixing stuff, and battles to win and the older leadership could assist, teach or get out of the way, but instead, they tell them to tone down their rhetoric and wait their turn. If they followed the advice of leadership, they'd have never been elected to begin with, especially since leadership didn't stump for them or want them elected.  

I could be wrong, but it sure looks like this from the outside, and I'm tired of losing.  I recently argued against a faculty scientist that was against Kamala, because he didn't feel like she was properly vetted, and Democrats didn't have much of a choice.  Really, wtf?  She ran against a literal dipshit criminal, that ran on revenge, with waiting trial dates, and a shitty historic former presidency. It's purity tests like this that are particularly frustrating.  Sure, let's do battle for a few months leading up the election, adding fuel to the Republicans and exhausting the public.  Politics is now a beating, which is by design.  

Some interesting excerpts from a Bill Burr interview:

“And then their (politicians) job is they stand there and they get yelled at. And then all the fucking people that they're really working for, they fucking, like, you can't make 200 grand a year and your portfolio is worth 60 million bucks. That just doesn't work that way.

You just become a money laundering operation, big business. And also, like, well, the idea was that, you know, you try to make government work for people or protect people. And then there's one side that just wants none of that.

They just privatize everything.”

From WTF with Marc Maron Podcast: Episode 1610 - Bill Burr, Jan 20, 2025
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-1610-bill-burr/id329875043?i=1000684667484
 

 

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It’s 2025, Trump controls the executive and both chambers of Congress, and Dems are defending the political instincts of Chuck Schumer. I wonder how we got here…



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