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I am going to treasure the moment when maga and Fox News try to point out how Newsom is insane and has lost it as they attempt to dissect his tweets.

 

Also, Trump took the bait way too easy by sending ICE to Newsom’s presser.

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1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I agree, but you also have to go with what is effective and what is effective is what riles them up, gets them off message, and resort to (more) petty name calling instead of focusing on their agenda. fine if some of those others catch on too, but at least maybe start with what worked before

Weird isn’t good enough phrase. You have to paint them as villains, full stop. Call them nazis, traitors, cowards, pussies, who gives a shit. They need to be villainized. 

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Weird isn’t good enough phrase. You have to paint them as villains, full stop. Call them nazis, traitors, cowards, pussies, who gives a shit. They need to be villainized. 

They wear all that as a badge of honor. We are post shame now. “Weird” was working ok. Something along those lines would be good.
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Moving to the center no longer makes sense in a general election. If it ever did. Credit for his recent social media game, but fuck Gavin. 

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2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:


They wear all that as a badge of honor. We are post shame now. “Weird” was working ok. Something along those lines would be good.

The party that condones pedophilia should rightfully be called the Pedo Party. Time to go full on with rhetoric based on what they have allowed to lead their party/cult. The time for being nice to anyone that supports it has long since passed.

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13 hours ago, tx ind said:

I am going to treasure the moment when maga and Fox News try to point out how Newsom is insane and has lost it as they attempt to dissect his tweets.

 

Also, Trump took the bait way too easy by sending ICE to Newsom’s presser.

Newsom should have moved the PC out to where the agents were and harassed the fuck out of them

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11 hours ago, Chopper said:

Moving to the center no longer makes sense in a general election. If it ever did. Credit for his recent social media game, but fuck Gavin. 

It’s good to be in the center during an election. It’s bad to be moderate. Those things are not the same. That’s what the consultant class doesn’t understand. I have this conversation with a democratic operative friend of mine who still thinks Democrats need to “moderate,” and that’s wrong. Democrats need to occupy the center. Right now the center is angry. 

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15 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

They also need to start calling Trump and his minions gutless cowards.  Over and over.  Goad them.  Yellow cowards.  Gutless.  Nutless.  Weak.  Pathetic.  Use the words hundreds, thousands of time.  Push them into an uncontrollable rage....because that's when idiots like them make huge mistakes.

They also need to start making fun of their hair.

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Need to win working class back…

I’m sure that’s open to critique as making a complex problem seem simple, but I really think it’s this basic.  
 

And it’s math-you make your surveys and broadcast you’re about what’s popular.  

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Unfortunately, how to accomplish that is the underlying issue currently dividing the Democratic Party.

Chuck Schumer is the guy to figure it out after 30 plus years of winning elections!!!!

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35 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Need to win working class back…

Simply promoting policies that benefit the working class did not work in the last election.  We need someone who is able to effectively verbalize to them why the Republican Party is bad for them, and there's really only one person so far who has attempted to grab the megaphone.

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4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Simply promoting policies that benefit the working class did not work in the last election.  We need someone who is able to effectively verbalize to them why the Republican Party is bad for them, and there's really only one person so far who has attempted to grab the megaphone.

Their message was stupid and you don’t promote policies, you promote a message. They were talking about the stock markets in terms of economy and details of policy. Shit the working average person doesn’t give two shits about. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Their message was stupid. They were talking about the stock markets in terms of economy. Shit the working average person doesn’t give two shits about. 

Except when Republicans are in power. Then it's the perfect indicator of how the economy is doing

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I think it's important to distinguish people who may have a centrist approach who don't necessarily feel a kinship with the wealthy Dem establishment.  There are centrists who want progress, and the Dem establishment fell asleep on the job and lost labor, lost safety and security, and allowed themselves to be painted as bad on the economy.

I'm for massive immigration but with rigid controls.  I'm pro-law enforcement but holding them to the highest standards.  I think we should be radically affirmative action based on economic need and lack of economic opportunity and think that should replace any race-based criteria. (That might look Republican-y a few decades ago, but calling anything Republican-y is literally just saying it's pro-mendacity and pro-corruption and anti-Constitution.)

More important than those policy preferences is rule of law and separation of powers and ethical standards.  I'm for the most progressive tax system possible without clearly harming the economy.  I'm libertarian on most issues and want some more gun regulation.  I want the fucking old-Testament religious nationalists crucified along 35 between West and Salado.  

I view that as relatively centrist.  The Dem Establishment blew their chance to get us there and we might just have to build back better with Progressives. Any alternative is a non-starter.

We haven't ever lived in an easier time to pick the greater of evils.

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28 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Their message was stupid and you don’t promote policies, you promote a message. They were talking about the stock markets in terms of economy and details of policy. Shit the working average person doesn’t give two shits about. 

Democrats have forgotten that elections are about vibes.  People "feel" who they want to vote for and then retroactively come up with reasons for it.  On paper, last election was a no contest.  But in reality, Trump projected the strength and change that the people seemingly wanted.  (Dems almost figured this out with Walz, before completely neutering him for some reason.)

Stop being so concerned with who the folks on bluesky will write a favorable blog post about and find someone that can make people feel something.

Newsom has done some dumb shit, but he's one of the only people attempting to stir those "fuck yeah, let's fight!" deep emotions.

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Democrats have forgotten that elections are about vibes.  People "feel" who they want to vote for and then retroactively come up with reasons for it.  On paper, last election was a no contest.  But in reality, Trump projected the strength and change that the people seemingly wanted.  (Dems almost figured this out with Walz, before completely neutering him for some reason.)

Stop being so concerned with who the folks on bluesky will write a favorable blog post about and find someone that can make people feel something.

Newsom has done some dumb shit, but he's one of the only people attempting to stir those "fuck yeah, let's fight!" deep emotions.

Agree. Newsom should be the candidate, especially because he’s good at breaking down his messaging to simple shit. He also won’t let people run over him or continue to spew the BS just like he did in that Desantis debate. 

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32 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I think it's important to distinguish people who may have a centrist approach who don't necessarily feel a kinship with the wealthy Dem establishment.  There are centrists who want progress, and the Dem establishment fell asleep on the job and lost labor, lost safety and security, and allowed themselves to be painted as bad on the economy.

I'm for massive immigration but with rigid controls.  I'm pro-law enforcement but holding them to the highest standards.  I think we should be radically affirmative action based on economic need and lack of economic opportunity and think that should replace any race-based criteria. (That might look Republican-y a few decades ago, but calling anything Republican-y is literally just saying it's pro-mendacity and pro-corruption and anti-Constitution.)

More important than those policy preferences is rule of law and separation of powers and ethical standards.  I'm for the most progressive tax system possible without clearly harming the economy.  I'm libertarian on most issues and want some more gun regulation.  I want the fucking old-Testament religious nationalists crucified along 35 between West and Salado.  

I view that as relatively centrist.  The Dem Establishment blew their chance to get us there and we might just have to build back better with Progressives. Any alternative is a non-starter.

We haven't ever lived in an easier time to pick the greater of evils.

This is great, but it is also wrong.  The issues really come down to charisma and personality.  Biden kicked Trumps ass.  He has personality.  Obama would have trounced him.  Bill Clinton as well.   Trump won, because 2 candidates were women,  with HRC having been too guarded.   Harris didn't and doesn't have the outgoing personality.   We are bad at selecting leaders, smarmy is fine, shitty is fine, as long as we feel good when we watch them.   This is why we voted for Trump, because people felt good about being around him and watching him.   You can pretend it is policy related, but we re-elected Trump who was terrible and out of step with most people's sentiments.  Restated: we don't elect people over policy.  

The propaganda does come into play as well, and it will have a greater role once all barriers are gone.  But the next person has to be charming.  Gavin could do it.  

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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:

This is great, but it is also wrong.  The issues really come down to charisma and personality.  Biden kicked Trumps ass.  He has personality.  Obama would have trounced him.  Bill Clinton as well.   Trump won, because 2 candidates were women,  with HRC having been too guarded.   Harris didn't and doesn't have the outgoing personality.   We are bad at selecting leaders, smarmy is fine, shitty is fine, as long as we feel good when we watch them.   This is why we voted for Trump, because people felt good about being around him and watching him.   You can pretend it is policy related, but we re-elected Trump who was terrible and out of step with most people's sentiments.  Restated: we don't elect people over policy.  

The propaganda does come into play as well, and it will have a greater role once all barriers are gone.  But the next person has to be charming.  Gavin could do it.  

The new term is aura, dumbass. It’s definitely people over policy now days 

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