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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I'm not buying it.  Sure, she is publicly breaking with Johnson/MAGA on some stuff.  But she's still more MAGA than human now.

MAGA is no longer about political ideology it’s demonstrating unwavering fealty to the orange god. She will soon be labeled a rino and drummed out of the party if she doesn’t fall back in line. 
 

that being said I don’t think she ends up in the Democratic Party especially since people like Cheney and Kinzinger haven’t 

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If he had a good primary challenger I probably wouldn't vote for Walsh in a Dem primary, but one thing you absolutely know about him is the only thing he really cares about today is the destruction of Trump and the modern GOP, and I could certainly live with that.

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23 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is extremely well said and is not only a great summarization of whats wrong with the entire mindset of the report and the party in general.

The entire idea, for example, that “Medicare for All” as a policy proposal cost Democrats votes in the aggregate is fucking retarded.

I mean calling it “Medicare for all” doomed it

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16 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The real test would be someone like Joe Walsh, who was never MAGA but was definitely pre-MAGA and still doesn't align with Democrats on much, but hates MAGA more than he ever hated Dems and knows how to fight them.  

Exactly. Not a hard call. I’m not sure he knows how to fight them, but he recognized early on what we’re collectively up against and broke with it at great personal and professional cost. Same deal with Liz Cheney. 
 

We’re fighting for our lives here. Democrats need to understand that being in the opposition means accepting the co-belligerents who are willing to work with Democrats to defeat a common threat. Whether inside or outside of the party, there’s no reason to worry about policy differences unless and until they win. 

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2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

MAGA is no longer about political ideology it’s demonstrating unwavering fealty to the orange god. She will soon be labeled a rino and drummed out of the party if she doesn’t fall back in line. 
 

that being said I don’t think she ends up in the Democratic Party especially since people like Cheney and Kinzinger haven’t 

MTG will never shift left because she's authentically crazy in a specific, reactionary way. 

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3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I mean calling it “Medicare for all” doomed it

No. Being chickenshit about Universal Healthcare doomed the Democratic Party. 

”Green New Deal” sucks*, Medicare for All is great branding and a great call to action.



* and I love the idea of a Green New Deal

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Exactly. Not a hard call. I’m not sure he knows how to fight them, but he recognized early on what we’re collectively up against and broke with it at great personal and professional cost. Same deal with Liz Cheney. 
 

We’re fighting for our lives here. Democrats need to understand that being in the opposition means accepting the co-belligerents who are willing to work with Democrats to defeat a common threat. Whether inside or outside of the party, there’s no reason to worry about policy differences unless and until they win. 

I'm worried about welcoming people who appear to be co-belligerents but aren't. People like Fetterman, Sinema, and Manchin actively hinder the fight. Manchin was a bit of a special case because he was still preferable to literally anyone else who could win a senate seat in West Virginia. I don't think Platner is that.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

People like Fetterman, Sinema, and Manchin actively hinder the fight.

No, I’ll give you Sinema because she stopped being a co-belligerent but Fetterman and Manchin are exactly what I’m talking about Democrats welcoming more of. And if they don’t want to do that they should try not losing so much.

Sorry!

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No. Being chickenshit about Universal Healthcare doomed the Democratic Party. 

”Green New Deal” sucks*, Medicare for All is great branding and a great call to action.



* and I love the idea of a Green New Deal

If you’re a progressive Medicare for all is great branding. If you are a centrist (in the traditional sense; no such thing these days) it triggers images of higher taxes and inefficient delivery to the end user. Is there a better catch phrase? Maybe not

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15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I'm worried about welcoming people who appear to be co-belligerents but aren't. People like Fetterman, Sinema, and Manchin actively hinder the fight. Manchin was a bit of a special case because he was still preferable to literally anyone else who could win a senate seat in West Virginia. I don't think Platner is that.

Can you name another person in Maine who would be favored head to head over Collins? Other than the 100 year old  governor 

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52 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The real test would be someone like Joe Walsh, who was never MAGA but was definitely pre-MAGA and still doesn't align with Democrats on much, but hates MAGA more than he ever hated Dems and knows how to fight them. 

He was never really an Eagle in my book, either.

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

If you’re a progressive Medicare for all is great branding. If you are a centrist (in the traditional sense; no such thing these days) it triggers images of higher taxes and inefficient delivery to the end user. Is there a better catch phrase? Maybe not

Hey man I am not saying inefficiency and high taxes are great.

But I think the last 40 or so years has shown that they are better than the alternative. The saying was that Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. Well we got rid of Socialism and we ran out of money anyway. Incredibly we weren't running out of money back in the New Deal/Great Society era.

18 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you name another person in Maine who would be favored head to head over Collins? Other than the 100 year old  governor 

I don't know anything about Maine and ultimately it is up to the voters there.

But damn...it isn't a good look man. But if he wins the Primary, he wins the Primary.

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33 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, I’ll give you Sinema because she stopped being a co-belligerent but Fetterman and Manchin are exactly what I’m talking about Democrats welcoming more of. And if they don’t want to do that they should try not losing so much.

Sorry!

Fetterman spends most of his time attacking Democratic voters and saying we shouldn't oppose Trump so much. He's probably a year away from switching parties. We'd be better off right now if Connor Lamb had won that primary. 

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Fetterman spends most of his time attacking Democratic voters and saying we shouldn't oppose Trump so much. He's probably a year away from switching parties. We'd be better off right now if Connor Lamb had won that primary. 

Yeah Fetterman isn't bringing some kind of bold centrist vision that will be more inclusive and popular. He just kind of cries about people being mean. I don't see how that wimpy energy is going to help the Democrats win.

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34 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you name another person in Maine who would be favored head to head over Collins? Other than the 100 year old  governor 

 

17 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Stephen King.  Although he's the only resident of Maine I've ever heard of.

Anna Kendrick is from Maine and would have my vote.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Stephen King.  Although he's the only resident of Maine I've ever heard of.

I love Stephen King. He will be 79 next year 

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17 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah Fetterman isn't bringing some kind of bold centrist vision that will be more inclusive and popular. He just kind of cries about people being mean. I don't see how that wimpy energy is going to help the Democrats win.

It's pretty striking how much Platner's current whining resembles Fetterman's behavior. At least Fetterman has the excuse of he had a stroke and clearly has never really recovered fully from it. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

We’re fighting for our lives here. Democrats need to understand that being in the opposition means accepting the co-belligerents who are willing to work with Democrats to defeat a common threat. Whether inside or outside of the party, there’s no reason to worry about policy differences unless and until they win. 

This.  Again, we sent a kabillion dollars worth of military kit to fucking STALIN to fight a common enemy.  And it was the right move.

I am a single-issue voter: do you oppose MAGA in the interest of keeping this Republic in existence?  That's it.  That's my sole issue.   Because if we lose on THAT one, then every other fucking issue and policy is fucking moot.

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25 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Fetterman spends most of his time attacking Democratic voters and saying we shouldn't oppose Trump so much

FWIW, Ezra Klein had Jared Abbott from the Center for Working Class Politics on and they discussed a vision of Dem or Independent candidates taking this position electorally.  
 

I can’t imagine someone like a Talarico occupying this space, but maybe someone like a Troy Aikman running as an independent in Texas-a union guy, not a historical Dem, but also not MAGA yet willing to align with Trump on issues like border security.

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9 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

FWIW, Ezra Klein had Jared Abbott from the Center for Working Class Politics on and they discussed a vision of Dem or Independent candidates taking this position electorally.  
 

I can’t imagine someone like a Talarico occupying this space, but maybe someone like a Troy Aikman running as an independent in Texas-a union guy, not a historical Dem, but also not MAGA yet willing to align with Trump on issues like border security.

We’d need Emmitt in the other seat 

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4 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

FWIW, Ezra Klein had Jared Abbott from the Center for Working Class Politics on and they discussed a vision of Dem or Independent candidates taking this position electorally.  
 

I can’t imagine someone like a Talarico occupying this space, but maybe someone like a Troy Aikman running as an independent in Texas-a union guy, not a historical Dem, but also not MAGA yet willing to align with Trump on issues like border security.

No, that's horrible politics and is quite literally a big part of why Dems lost in 2024 (and lost in many prior elections). Telling voters "Trump is right about immigration and the border and how important it is, and Dems are weak pussies on it, and I will be like Trump on it but just a little nicer" is just telling undecided voters to vote for Trump. Biden and the Dems were actually very anti-immigration during his administration.  That's why the public shifted so strongly against immigration generally between 2020 and 2024, and look what good that did. Trump's overreach provides another opportunity for Dems to embrace immigration as a fundamental part of the American dream. Legal immigration used to be pretty popular even among white Americans and it could be again.

If Dems want to try to appeal to some of the racists on immigration, they should yell about how Trump cut a deal with the cartels and brought a bunch of high-level cartel guys into the country and that they'll send those guys back. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

If you are a centrist (in the traditional sense; no such thing these days) it triggers images of higher taxes and inefficient delivery to the end user.

say what now

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

If you’re a progressive Medicare for all is great branding. If you are a centrist (in the traditional sense; no such thing these days) it triggers images of higher taxes and inefficient delivery to the end user.

No, that’s false. It’s not just wrong on the merits of that, it’s also not aligned to the voting behavior of so-called centrists. Heterodox voters do not occupy some kind of very policy-oriented middle ground between small and big government or high and low taxes. 
 

Medicare for All is objectively and empirically great branding. It was great on style and great on substance.  It’s clear, immediate, certain, and tangible. It combines a popular thing with a universal thing, for everyone it alienated it picked up two, and it worked across the map.
It’s old news now and they need to move to something new, but it didn’t cost Democrats anything and they should t have squandered it.  Stop thinking in GOP framing. 
 

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Fetterman spends most of his time attacking Democratic voters and saying we shouldn't oppose Trump so much. He's probably a year away from switching parties. We'd be better off right now if Connor Lamb had won that primary. 


But Lamb didn’t win. Fetterman won, he’s popular, he’s interesting, and he’s not MAGA. You don’t have the luxury of choosing alies  until your party stops losing the races that count. 

 

1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah Fetterman isn't bringing some kind of bold centrist vision that will be more inclusive and popular. He just kind of cries about people being mean. I don't see how that wimpy energy is going to help the Democrats win.


Except the election that he won in a swing state, Jesus. 
 

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2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

If you’re a progressive Medicare for all is great branding. If you are a centrist (in the traditional sense; no such thing these days) it triggers images of higher taxes and inefficient delivery to the end user. Is there a better catch phrase? Maybe not

Medicare for You

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14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Except the election that he won in a swing state, Jesus. 

Yeah? And that state hates him now. I dispute the notion he is popular.

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

Republicans approve of the job he's doing. I'm not sure how that helps non-fascists, though.

He is still a Democrat enough that they would prefer an actual Republican.

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For a long time, the only people that liked Medicare were the people not on it.

So, yeah, those who have been on Medicare for a while, who are reliable voters, might have seen it as making a shitty system more ubiquitous.

I think, though, they have gained a new appreciation for it as they hear about their children paying $1500/month for health insurance.



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