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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

I actually didn't, I was out of state from Sept thru late Nov.  I don't know if I would have voted for Trump had I been home, I was sick of *his shit for a few years.  I know I would not have voted for Biden. 

I've held that view of Trump for several years; it's scattered throughout my posts in DT and CR.  He was fucking terrible for the party, and ANYONE who ran against HRC could have beaten her.  Why run someone who's going to take shit to 11 and piss everyone off, burning the whole fucking thing down on the way out?  Was fucking stupid of the GOP, and they are now paying for it.  My vote goes to whichever party as a whole is closest to the dead center. I hope that doesn't make me a Libertarian.  Also, would vote for Mary Poppins '24.

This 100%.  It’s a hard time right now if you want a more close to center candidate because both parties are instead heading more and more away from that and nothing will get done long term that way.  You can’t say you are a Democrat in all social views but Republican in some economic views or vica versa or you would get called names by both.  You can post a view you express on one topic and they know nothing about what you think on other topics and everyone who doesn’t agree with will call you a nazi, socialist, ect 

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4 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

You can’t say you are a Democrat in all social views but Republican in some economic views or vica versa or you would get called names by both for a view you express on even one topic probably.  It’s actually sad. 

Which is why I say very little these days on Facebook and other social media.  Too many people want you to fit all of your views into one side's views or another.  This happens on Surly as well but not nearly to the extent that I see it elsewhere.

I don't know that it was as bad back on Shaggy, as plenty of us have always had a healthy mixture of conservative and liberal views.  That's just the nature of the majority of us being college-educated on some level (whether it be current student up through grad school graduates).

Shit, we are a site focused on college sports, which are constantly in flux.  In theory, if we can handle things like coaching or offense or defense changes every so often, not to mention a regular change in players as they age out, then we should be able to handle changing our views on various issues as new information comes to light. 

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8 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

or you would get called names by both.  You can post a view you express on one topic and they know nothing about what you think on other topics and everyone who doesn’t agree with will call you a nazi, socialist, ect 

Holy fucking shit. My grandpa served during WWII and was a top notch man's man.  Dude built his house with his own hands.  He passed what he knew down to his grandkids. He was a true reflection of one of our greatest generations.  I am so fucking glad he is no longer around to see how "conservative" Americans have turned into such gaping pussies.  You are concerned about being called names?  You are concerned about being misunderstood?  Are you fucking for real?  Please tell me you are being sarcastic and just trolling. Please!  And people are upvoting your weakass shit.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?  Seriously. Where did all of this victimhood come from?  Do you ever look in the mirror and think to yourself, "Oh my god! I am giant pussy!"  Have you ever pondered on why you turned out this way?  Was it the way you were raised?  Did mommy tell you that you were always right? Is it the cable news show you watch nightly?  Maybe the social media you consume?  Whatever happened, please share so we can dissect and understand so that our children don't turn into giant gaping pussies.  

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It's truly sad that a large swath of our society voted for a man to change the rules of Washington and the country, applauding the destruction of every norm of the Presidency, built over decades of governance and experiences (for good and bad [mostly bad]). Flaunting the fact that Trump was doing so and eagerly awaiting the next attack from him on our society. And then here we are, in the wake of that mess, employing the same demeanor back at them. And they crumble. Feckless and snowflaky: The modern conservative. 

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2 hours ago, GW Hayduke said:

You are concerned about being called names?

I'll bet if someone had called your grandpa a Nazi he'd have wanted to beat the living shit out of that person if he could get his hands on him.  Would his offense at being called a name rate him as a gaping pussy as well?

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2 hours ago, GW Hayduke said:

What the fuck is wrong with you people?  Seriously. Where did all of this victimhood come from?  Do you ever look in the mirror and think to yourself, "Oh my god! I am giant pussy!"  Have you ever pondered on why you turned out this way?  Was it the way you were raised?  Did mommy tell you that you were always right? Is it the cable news show you watch nightly?  Maybe the social media you consume?  Whatever happened, please share so we can dissect and understand so that our children don't turn into giant gaping pussies.  

This is kind of ironic coming from a party that encourages paying people to sit at home because “pay is not enough for bartenders!”   UBI for everyone because it’s just impossible to be middle class these days.   Let’s cap and redistribute the wealth of the most intelligent and hard working of our society because it’s just not fair they were smarter and worked harder.   Victimhood and giant gaping pussies indeed.  

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If you're paying starvation wages and your employees are going out and getting welfare to survive, the government (myyyyyyyy tax dollars) is subsidizing your business. You aren't paying the minimum amount it costs for humans to be able to work at your place - you're getting subsidized. I believe that used to be one of the roles of the minimum wage, but it hasn't kept up. We could have a nice big discussion about it and probably people wouldn't "switch sides" completely but they might see things from a different perspective. What you're suggesting is that we can't because of your fee fees.

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22 minutes ago, TriStone said:

I'll bet if someone had called your grandpa a Nazi he'd have wanted to beat the living shit out of that person if he could get his hands on him.  Would his offense at being called a name rate him as a gaping pussy as well?

My gramps sure as shit wouldn't be whining about being called a name on a message board.  

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

This is kind of ironic coming from a party that encourages paying people to sit at home because “pay is not enough for bartenders!”   UBI for everyone because it’s just impossible to be middle class these days.   Let’s cap and redistribute the wealth of the most intelligent and hard working of our society because it’s just not fair they were smarter and worked harder.   Victimhood and giant gaping pussies indeed.  

It is ok to be a gaping victim and whine about name calling on a message board because the other side thinks about ways to address wealth inequality?  What is wrong with you?

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13 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Let’s cap and redistribute the wealth of the most intelligent and hard working of our society because it’s just not fair they were smarter and worked harder.

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just to be clear, your theory is that in 1980 the rich got smarter and started working harder than everybody else, correct?

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The most intelligent and hard working of society 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/trumps-small-loan-from-his-father-was-more-like-60point7-million-nyt.html

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million

The Times reports that the amount would be worth $140 million in today’s dollars and that much of it was never repaid.

According to the newspaper’s findings: “As for that $1 million loan, Fred Trump actually lent him at least $60.7 million, or $140 million in today’s dollars.

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13 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

My gramps sure as shit wouldn't be whining about being called a name on a message board.

Please.  You know damn well your gramps would have been steaming mad about it and, being unable to lay hands on the person who called him that, would most likely have even vented about it to others via available communication mediums of the day.  What he most definitely would NOT have done is go look in a mirror and tell himself, "Oh my god! I am a giant pussy!"

He'd know what we all know: The giant pussy is the person calling people names simply because they know they can do it without getting popped in the mouth.

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2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

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just to be clear, your theory is that in 1980 the rich got smarter and started working harder than everybody else, correct?

My contention is the CEO running to F500 company is more intelligent and has a more difficult job than 99.999999% of the population.  The fact they make 100000000 times the guy cleaning the shit off the toilet bothers me 0%.   
 

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The most intelligent and hard working of society 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/trumps-small-loan-from-his-father-was-more-like-60point7-million-nyt.html

A sweeping new investigative report published by The New York Times on Tuesday, however, says that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had actually lent his son at least $60.7 million

The Times reports that the amount would be worth $140 million in today’s dollars and that much of it was never repaid.

According to the newspaper’s findings: “As for that $1 million loan, Fred Trump actually lent him at least $60.7 million, or $140 million in today’s dollars.

You are upset his father was able to live the American dream?  I’m sure you share the same resentment for the children of professional athletes, actors, etc?  People who will never have to work or will be set from the get go because their parents made it.  Or is that just reserved for white politicians?  People work every day with the goal of lessening the burden of their offspring.  

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4 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

My gramps sure as shit wouldn't be whining about being called a name on a message board.  

It is ok to be a gaping victim and whine about name calling on a message board because the other side thinks about ways to address wealth inequality?  What is wrong with you?

It’s beyond the message board and you know that. Liberals control public schools, higher education, HR departments, MSM, entertainment and social media. Every influential institution in this country. Do you read the NYT, WaPo or watch CNN? There is a reason for the “victimhood” feelings. My view is we need to get to work and build from the ground up and the first place to do it is in education. Counter the liberal stranglehold in academia with funding from wealthy conservatives to get young conservatives in the academic pipeline. It will take a generation to see results.

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5 minutes ago, TriStone said:

 

He'd know what we all know: The giant pussy is the person calling people names simply because they know they can do it without getting popped in the mouth.

So basically the entire platform of the past President?  Which is why we're having this thread because we can't talk about what we all know to be true?  

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1 minute ago, Macklemore said:

It’s beyond the message board and you know that. Liberals control public schools, higher education, HR departments, MSM, entertainment and social media. Every influential institution in this country. Do you read the NYT, WaPo or watch CNN? There is a reason for the “victimhood” feelings. My view is we need to get to work and build from the ground up and the first place to do it is in education. Counter the liberal stranglehold in academia with funding from wealthy conservatives to get young conservatives in the academic pipeline. It will take a generation to see results.

Not only are you a victim of name calling on a message board, but you are also a victim in the real world!!!!  Yes. We get it. You feel like a victim. That is the problem.  Stop being a gaping pussy.  

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3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

So basically the entire platform of the past President?  Which is why we're having this thread because we can't talk about what we all know to be true?  

I won't argue against any of that.  I just saw a post and went off on a tangent, as I am prone to do from time to time.  It's perfectly reasonable to get mad at being called a name and then venting about it.

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Off on tangents?  I wouldn't know anything about that!  ;) 

I think all of our grandfathers, particularly those of us with WWII veteran Grandfathers, would be embarrassed that this is what has become of all political discourse---namecalling, victimhood, whining, and incessant bitching.  Had they know that, they'd have stayed on leave in France getting hot ass.  

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21 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

My gramps sure as shit wouldn't be whining about being called a name on a message board.  

It is ok to be a gaping victim and whine about name calling on a message board because the other side thinks about ways to address wealth inequality?  What is wrong with you?

I didn’t think it’s ok. I said I think it’s ironic for someone who believes in any of that woe is me bullshit to call anyone a pussy. 

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8 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

My contention is the CEO running to F500 company is more intelligent and has a more difficult job than 99.999999% of the population.  The fact they make 100000000 times the guy cleaning the shit off the toilet bothers me 0%.   

so this trend does not concern you, correct?

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Just now, Lobo said:

I think all of our grandfathers, particularly those of us with WWII veteran Grandfathers, would be embarrassed that this is what has become of all political discourse---namecalling, victimhood, whining, and incessant bitching.

They'd have gathered together and had a big old battle royale and hashed it out as men did back then.

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22 hours ago, Macklemore said:

@Ghost of LL a conservative hahahaha. That guy is the very definition of the classic “Austin liberal” and is a founding member of the Cabal which is inherently liberal. What I mean when I say that he is a homegrown Texas liberal like the ones I went to school with in the 90s not the California imports who currently have infected the host.

Boy, it's interesting to see oneself become the topic of a thread.

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15 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Oh we have some issues brewing, no doubt.  But fix it by limiting others wealth, no. 

Can we at least force these companies to pay enough of a living wage so that we don't have to subsidize the 70 percent of Americans on Medicaid and SNAP who work full time? 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/walmart-and-mcdonalds-among-top-employers-of-medicaid-and-food-stamp-beneficiaries.html

 

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10 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Oh we have some issues brewing, no doubt.  But fix it by limiting others wealth, no. 

So what part of the GOP platform addresses wealth inequality? How do they plan to tackle this obvious problem?

 

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So what part of the GOP platform addresses wealth inequality? How do they plan to tackle this obvious problem?

I don’t know what they plan to do. It’s difficult when you have such a large population of people who can’t find a way to support themselves.  I don’t see how giving someone money for just existing helps, but whatever. 

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3 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Can we at least force these companies to pay enough of a living wage so that we don't have to subsidize the 70 percent of Americans on Medicaid and SNAP who work full time? 

I suppose you can potentially wreck the investors of those companies for the good of others.  The thing I love most about America is if your job sucks at McDonalds, you can literally go work somewhere else.  Or go to school and better yourself.  Or drop a mixtape. Get on a ditch digging crew.  Your ceiling is limitless, if you have the want to. 

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11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I don’t know what they plan to do. It’s difficult when you have such a large population of people who can’t find a way to support themselves.  I don’t see how giving someone money for just existing helps, but whatever. 

Ok, so they don't have a plan. Got it.

Alright, let's move on to climate change. How does the GOP plan to address that?

How about healthcare? What is the GOP platform stance on reining in healthcare costs?

How do they plan to address our aging infrastructure in this country? Where does the GOP stand on that?

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I suppose you can potentially wreck the investors of those companies for the good of others.  The thing I love most about America is if your job sucks at McDonalds, you can literally go work somewhere else.  Or go to school and better yourself.  Or drop a mixtape. Get on a ditch digging crew.  Your ceiling is limitless, if you have the want to. 

Wreck these investors? How about investors in other companies that are getting wrecked because they pay a living wage? Should we start giving Costco and Starbucks subsidies so the investors in those companies receive equal benefits to the investors of Walmart and McDonald's?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hmbre97 said:

Ok, so they don't have a plan. Got it.

Alright, let's move on to climate change. How does the GOP plan to address that?

How about healthcare? What is the GOP platform stance on reining in healthcare costs?

How do they plan to address our aging infastructure in this country? Where does the GOP stand on that?

I didn’t say they don’t have a plan. I said I dgaf really. I do think there is an issue, maybe we’ll have US favelas.   

Get China and India onboard and my gaf might engage. The fuck would I bear the burden while others across the world extend a middle finger.  Is it a legitimate worldwide issue?  Then time for them to get onboard. 

Healthcare?  I have great healthcare. But then again I go to work.   

Infrastructure is pretty fucking important.  Maybe you can tell me how you expect to staff an asphalt crew when we can’t even get people to work as a fucking barista or drive an Uber.  
 

Our populace is lazy and entitled.  solve that and you can solve several other of your bullet points.  A large portion of our populace would rather have the money from their neighbors success or inheritance than go earn it themselves.  And they vote for the party who wants to hand it to them.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Wreck these investors? How about investors in other companies that are getting wrecked because they pay a living wage? Should we start giving Costco and Starbucks subsidies so the investors in those companies receive equal benefits to the investors of Walmart and McDonald's?

 

 

Maybe they should go work somewhere else? I know McD and Walmart are like 2 of the 10 companies in the US.  Wait, fuck.  Yeah maybe they can go where they will be paid what they are worth?   Have you never left a job for a better offer?  

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45 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

My contention is the CEO running to F500 company is more intelligent and has a more difficult job than 99.999999% of the population.  The fact they make 100000000 times the guy cleaning the shit off the toilet bothers me 0%.   
 

You are upset his father was able to live the American dream?  I’m sure you share the same resentment for the children of professional athletes, actors, etc?  People who will never have to work or will be set from the get go because their parents made it.  Or is that just reserved for white politicians?  People work every day with the goal of lessening the burden of their offspring.  

What do you do for a living? I can assure you that there is 0 truth to the first statement. Being the CEO of a F500 or a G3000 for that matter is not about being intelligent or the job being difficult, especially in comparison to 99.999999% of the population like you have stated. It's more about who you know and someone else who used to be in that position no longer wanting to (retirement) or dying. There are people far more qualified to be the CEO's of these companies, sometimes within the companies themselves who just "don't get the nod" and it has way more to do with organizational/board politics than it does with capability, skillset or anything else that would play out like some meritocracy like you are claiming.

Your whole premise of not wanting to solve problems by "limiting other wealth" is fucking hilarious to me. There isn't a limit on wealth, there's proposal for limiting excessive wealth. There is no way in a human lifetime you could even begin to fathom spending 1B, even with 3 living generations, that is every single person alive living a 1% life.

People in general don't have the actual capacity to understand how drastic the difference between 1M and 1B is or 1M and 100M. Do you have 1M liquid cash? Do you know how insane that is for 99% of the population to even fathom?

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8 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Maybe they should go work somewhere else? I know McD and Walmart are like 2 of the 10 companies in the US.  Wait, fuck.  Yeah maybe they can go where they will be paid what they are worth?   Have you never left a job for a better offer?  

I'm not talking about the workers. I'm talking about the investors. Why should an investor in Starbucks be forced to subsidize the labor costs of McDonald's? 

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20 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I didn’t say they don’t have a plan. I said I dgaf really. I do think there is an issue, maybe we’ll have US favelas.   

Get China and India onboard and my gaf might engage. The fuck would I bear the burden while others across the world extend a middle finger.  Is it a legitimate worldwide issue?  Then time for them to get onboard. 

Healthcare?  I have great healthcare. But then again I go to work.   

Infrastructure is pretty fucking important.  Maybe you can tell me how you expect to staff an asphalt crew when we can’t even get people to work as a fucking barista or drive an Uber.  
 

Our populace is lazy and entitled.  solve that and you can solve several other of your bullet points.  A large portion of our populace would rather have the money from their neighbors success or inheritance than go earn it themselves.  And they vote for the party who wants to hand it to them.  

 

This is peak GOP. The ol bootstrap argument. Just incredibly dumb.

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17 minutes ago, immamac said:

What do you do for a living?

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17 minutes ago, immamac said:

There are people far more qualified to be the CEO's of these companies, sometimes within the companies themselves who just "don't get the nod" and it has way more to do with organizational/board politics than it does with capability, skillset or anything else that would play out like some meritocracy like you are claiming.

There is some truth in this. But I’ve been blessed to spend a lot of time around the c-suites and boards of several of the companies I’ve worked for, and there are some absolutely brilliant people in them. And these aren’t  500 types. Small publics to massive private orgs.  There’s plenty of politics to be sure, but you don’t get there with an A/B scorecard.  You have to be in the room long before the politics even come into play. There is also brilliant people who’s  mind just doesn’t work in that capacity.  To act like they are some regular person who just got lucky and faked it till they make it is disingenuous af. 
 

17 minutes ago, immamac said:

There isn't a limit on wealth, there's proposal for limiting excessive wealth. There is no way in a human lifetime you could even begin to fathom spending 1B, even with 3 living generations, that is every single person alive living a 1% life.

Define excessive?  You don’t think someone can spend 1B?  Personally, I’d have a few hundred thousand acres which would take care of a chunk of it, and enough boats to take care of the rest.  Seriously though, where is the line? That can be talked about, but all it is going to do is drive America’s billionaires away.  And did they steal it?  Do every motherfucker on this site not use Amazon as a service?  
 

17 minutes ago, immamac said:

People in general don't have the actual capacity to understand how drastic the difference between 1M and 1B is or 1M and 100M. Do you have 1M liquid cash? Do you know how insane that is for 99% of the population to even fathom?


I agree. My portion of the last project I managed was a bit over 300M so yeah, it’s funny money at some point to most.  I could sell my house and get back with you on the liquid portion, but 1M isn’t even a decent retirement for the middle class.  I don’t think that’s a crazy number for the top 15% of the country.   Then again, the vast vast majority of the country doesn’t contribute to that level, so wtf are they owed Bezos’ money?  Because they exist? 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

This is peak GOP. The ol bootstrap argument. Just incredibly dumb.

I was hoping you’d grab the low hanging fruit.   It really doesn’t have to be bootstraps.  Being born in America puts you ahead of about 90% of the world in guaranteeing you success.  Want to get knocked up in 10th grade or addicted to drugs, well, yeah you might have blown it.  Who’s fault is that?  

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1 hour ago, TriStone said:

Please.  You know damn well your gramps would have been steaming mad about it and, being unable to lay hands on the person who called him that, would most likely have even vented about it to others via available communication mediums of the day.  What he most definitely would NOT have done is go look in a mirror and tell himself, "Oh my god! I am a giant pussy!"

He'd know what we all know: The giant pussy is the person calling people names simply because they know they can do it without getting popped in the mouth.

Bullshit. “Sticks and stones” was taught to school age children.  Gramps didn’t need a safe space. Gramps didn’t whine about name calling.  Gramps wouldn’t have allowed himself to adopt the victimhood mentality that Trump sold to too many weak minded pussies.

There are people on here literally complaining about name calling and folks defending them.  I feel ashamed by this. 

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8 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Want to get knocked up in 10th grade or addicted to drugs, well, yeah you might have blown it.  Who’s fault is that?  

Republicans for not allowing birth control to be taught in schools and easily available?

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6 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I was hoping you’d grab the low hanging fruit.   It really doesn’t have to be bootstraps.  Being born in America puts you ahead of about 90% of the world in guaranteeing you success.  Want to get knocked up in 10th grade or addicted to drugs, well, yeah you might have blown it.  Who’s fault is that?  

This is why a lot of former conservatives (like myself) have moved away from the current iteration the GOP party of today. You can't answer the income equality question because truthfully, you don't see it as an issue.  The party has become a toxic brew of people who only give a shit about themselves and how can the party benefit me at the expense of the rest of the country. You've made it clear in your last few posts that your stance is "I've got mine, too bad for everyone else" and that thinking is going to sink this country. You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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Just now, hornmpa96 said:

Republicans for not allowing birth control to be taught in schools and easily available?

Why do you need that when you have Democrats advocating sucking them out up till birth? Or even better, grab yourself a WIC card and a spot on the couch in front of the TV. 

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