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8 hours ago, Tex Long said:

Isn't the rule protecting punters inapplicable if he takes off and runs before kicking? Useta be, but I've not kept up with it. Is it a tackle box thing? I thought the guy did take a few steps first... it was amazing that the blocker managed to miss the ball? Hell, I thought he caught it with his belly.

Yes he was outside of the tackle box

 didn’t matter the reffies were going to fuck us the whole game the actual rules don’t really matter much. 

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9 hours ago, Skipper said:

There was definitely some commentary I saw to the effect that it shouldn't have even been a penalty but those refs were so incompetent no way they were getting that one right.  Agreed I still have no idea how he didn't block it.  It was probably the biggest sure thing whiff I can recall.

Roughing or Running Into Kicker or Holder

ARTICLE 16. a. When it is obvious that a scrimmage kick will be made, no opponent shall run into or rough the kicker or the holder of a place kick (A.R. 9-1-16-I, III and VI).

1. Roughing is a live-ball personal foul that endangers the kicker or holder.

2. Running into the kicker or holder is a live-ball foul that occurs when the kicker or holder is displaced from their kicking or holding position but is not roughed (A.R. 9-1-16-II).

3. Incidental contact with a kicker or holder is not a foul.

4. The kicker’s protection under this rule ends (a) when the kicker has had a reasonable time to regain their balance (A.R. 9-1-16-IV); (b) when the kicker carries or possesses the ball outside the tackle box (Rule 2-34) before kicking; or (c) when the kicker carries or possesses the ball more than five yards behind the kicker’s initial position at the snap from scrimmage kick formation.

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21 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Typical clickbaity headline, but good summary of Sark's struggles in the ASU game. 

Also agree with Gerry Hamilton who hated the punt block call after ASU went three and out on first drive of game. Defense got a 3 and out, just get the fucking ball back on offense. Instead ASU extends the drive and gets their only points of the 1st half. 

 

Well, DUH! I don't need a self called expert to tell me what I already know. I yelled interception right when Quinn released the ball because I know that's the one play you don't attempt in that situation and I know that's the way those things go.

Yes, for the so called offensive guru Sark was horrible. I kept looking for Charlie Strong on the sideline.

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Situationally, there's just no need to scheme a punt block after the first drive of the game. Particularly as the heavily favored team. We got the desired 3 and out, let's receive the ball and get the offense going. The downside ended up extending the drive, and set an early precedent for the TOP differential. 
The reward wasn't worth the risk that early in the game IMO. Save that shit for a more crucial part of a game. 
 
 

Yes, I concur you hold onto that one for another time. You get a 3 and out to start the game. Your objective should be to get the ball back.

As a double digit favorite against what should have been a middling defense, im not sure you want to think punt block at all. And hell im playing conservative to avoid fakes after seeing the shit show in SEC game and assume ASU would pull out all the stops.

A good time to have that block in is end of half with little time or when they are backed into the end zone or when its beyond 4th and 5.

One scenario I worried about before the game was a massive deficit in TOP. I figured that was the only way Skataboo would get off and if they hung around, theyd wear our D out.
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He’s our guy.  I’m not saying he isn’t. But curious what others can do with our NIL.  His good teams seem to play with their food a lot.  This asu tr was just not good.  They pulled out all stops against us and we didn’t look very prepared.  We’ve lost almost every third quarter this year

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18 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

He’s our guy.  I’m not saying he isn’t. But curious what others can do with our NIL.  His good teams seem to play with their food a lot.  This asu tr was just not good.  They pulled out all stops against us and we didn’t look very prepared.  We’ve lost almost every third quarter this year

We gave up another stupid special teams play, shit the bed on 3rd, made stupid play calls instead of eating clock, had our NFL laden oline get their lunch eaten by a bunch of smaller dudes... if it wasn't for PK and the defense, we would have lost this game.  There's a reason he has been 7 win Teven for a damn while.  Can only hope he continues to get better as a coach because he was thoroughly outcoached.

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5 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

We gave up another stupid special teams play, shit the bed on 3rd, made stupid play calls instead of eating clock, had our NFL laden oline get their lunch eaten by a bunch of smaller dudes... if it wasn't for PK and the defense, we would have lost this game.  There's a reason he has been 7 win Teven for a damn while.  Can only hope he continues to get better as a coach because he was thoroughly outcoached.

Hard to eat the clock when you can't run the ball.  Baxter was a huge loss, especially in short yardage.  We've been nursing a two back room all season with one of them having fumble issues, and neither one of them are built for a power run game.  This in itself has a way of affecting a season.

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16 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

There's a reason he has been 7 win Teven for a damn while.

I think we can retire that name.  In the last 3 seasons he's won 8, 12, 13 games (and counting).

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

Hard to eat the clock when you can't run the ball.  Baxter was a huge loss, especially in short yardage.  We've been nursing a two back room all season with one of them having fumble issues, and neither one of them are built for a power run game.  This in itself has a way of affecting a season.

Wisner just had a 6 yard gain. It looked like the ASU defense was finally getting worn down. Even if Wisner had a no gain run on 2nd, a high % pass on 3rd is a much better option than a play that has about a 2% chance of success and 30% chance of interception. When you need to run out the clock the 1 thing you absolutely can't do is run a play that has a high % chance of a turnover.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Wisner just had a 6 yard gain. It looked like the ASU defense was finally getting worn down. Even if Wisner had a no gain run on 2nd, a high % pass on 3rd is a much better option than a play that has about a 2% chance of success and 30% chance of interception. When you need to run out the clock the 1 thing you absolutely can't do is run a play that has a high % chance of a turnover.

We had 53 yards on 30 carries.  One run for 6 yards is hardly enough to think we could grind the clock especially since they consistently stuffed the run after that play also.

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Posted
52 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


Yes, I concur you hold onto that one for another time. You get a 3 and out to start the game. Your objective should be to get the ball back.

As a double digit favorite against what should have been a middling defense, im not sure you want to think punt block at all. And hell im playing conservative to avoid fakes after seeing the shit show in SEC game and assume ASU would pull out all the stops.

A good time to have that block in is end of half with little time or when they are backed into the end zone or when its beyond 4th and 5.

One scenario I worried about before the game was a massive deficit in TOP. I figured that was the only way Skataboo would get off and if they hung around, theyd wear our D out.

Agreed! 

Combine that punt block penalty with the 2 play scoring drive and Bolden punt PR TD, and it created a situation where the offense couldn't get in rhythm early and it affected us for the rest of the 1st half.  Our defense held up for a long time with ASU owning TOP, but it eventually caught up with us in the 4th quarter. 

It's always weird to say it, but I've watched enough football to notice. Sometimes an early defensive or special teams TD can end up being detrimental. The opponent gets the ball back quickly and has a chance to figure things out while your offense continues to sit and defense goes right back out there. 

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8 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Wisner just had a 6 yard gain. It looked like the ASU defense was finally getting worn down. Even if Wisner had a no gain run on 2nd, a high % pass on 3rd is a much better option than a play that has about a 2% chance of success and 30% chance of interception. When you need to run out the clock the 1 thing you absolutely can't do is run a play that has a high % chance of a turnover.

You know there were at least 4 guys running routes on that play....right? Steve didn't call a play called "throw it deep, damn the consequences". He called a pass play with layered routes, and it involved trusting the QB to pick out the right guy to throw it to with the right pass. In this case. the QB 100% picked the wrong type of throw and most likely picked the wrong guy to throw it to. The punt block play was the exact same dynamic. Good coaching call, bad player execution.

Calling a pass play there was 100% playing to win and I want our coach playing to win. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, RichUT said:

You know there were at least 4 guys running routes on that play....right? Steve didn't call a play called "throw it deep, damn the consequences". He called a pass play with layered routes, and it involved trusting the QB to pick out the right guy to throw it to with the right pass. In this case. the QB 100% picked the wrong type of throw and most likely picked the wrong guy to throw it to. The punt block play was the exact same dynamic. Good coaching call, bad player execution.

Calling a pass play there was 100% playing to win and I want our coach playing to win. 

Brian Robison and Rod Babers in post-game said they think it was a pre-determined throw to Bond. For them it seemed like the only explanation that made sense. 

If so, I would put some of the blame on Sark for the play call as he knows how Quinn operates. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Brian Robison and Rod Babers in post-game said they think it was a pre-determined throw to Bond. For them it seemed like the only explanation that made sense. 

If so, I would put some of the blame on Sark for the play call as he knows how Quinn operates. 

 

Without the ability to ask him, I don't know how you'd go about proving that. Strategically, that makes very little sense and I have a really hard time buying it. 

If somehow that were proven to be true then my opinion here would change. 

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Posted
56 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

Hard to eat the clock when you can't run the ball.  Baxter was a huge loss, especially in short yardage.  We've been nursing a two back room all season with one of them having fumble issues, and neither one of them are built for a power run game.  This in itself has a way of affecting a season.

Well, going 3 out late with 3 running plays burns about 2 minutes if they're just run stops. 

See the late 2nd RZ pass nonsense where we burned 14 seconds and gave the ball back to ASU with 1:46 left in the half. Instead of say... 0.

Then the 3 passes in the 4th with 6 to go. 

I get it, our run game was really struggling, but as an HC you've got to manage the game clock both in an offensive and defensive mind set. If you're out there getting conservative to protect a 2 score lead, fucking protect it by burning clock. 

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Posted
13 hours ago, Fico said:

lol… wtf is this… don’t go for the big play even if you think you have something you can schematically take advantage of? Gtfo out of here with that. 

Blackwell fucked up, that was designed for him. He knows you take the ball off the foot directly and your aim point is where the front foot will be in a step or two. He totally botched it, that is why Banks was so royally pissed on the sideline.

Players play. Make the play right in front of you, just as you practiced. 

If you hold an ace in your sleave, you don't put it into play when your opponent just folded on the first hand.

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41 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

We had 53 yards on 30 carries.  One run for 6 yards is hardly enough to think we could grind the clock especially since they consistently stuffed the run after that play also.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on why you think a play with a very low probability of success and a high probability of turnover is a better option?

 

And Rich's reply of there were other receivers is not a valid response. This was a 100% go long to Bond play for anyone who knows how Quinn operates. Sark can also tell Quinn, don't throw it long, just use Bond as a decoy.

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5 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

And Rich's reply of there were other receivers is not a valid response. 

Because….why? It doesn’t fit your narrative? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
 

There were four eligible receivers on the play. There is also always the option to throw it away or even not throw at all. The guy with the ball in his hands has to make the right read and the right throw. 

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8 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Perhaps you could enlighten us on why you think a play with a very low probability of success and a high probability of turnover is a better option?

 

And Rich's reply of there were other receivers is not a valid response. This was a 100% go long to Bond play for anyone who knows how Quinn operates. Sark can also tell Quinn, don't throw it long, just use Bond as a decoy.

I can enlighten you in that if he had gone conservative and it blew up in his face, the same people bitching now would be the same people bitching then... Take the win pussy.

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2 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

I can enlighten you in that if he had gone conservative and it blew up in his face, the same people bitching now would be the same people bitching then... Take the win pussy.

Yes, some brain dead pussy's like you would be bitching, but not anyone who knows anything about football. We saw what happened with Sark's stupidity and only Quinn's great play in OT saved Sark's ass.

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9 minutes ago, RichUT said:

Because….why? It doesn’t fit your narrative? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
 

There were four eligible receivers on the play. There is also always the option to throw it away or even not throw at all. The guy with the ball in his hands has to make the right read and the right throw. 

No, because I have a brain know how how Texas plays work like Brian Robison and Rod Babers.

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9 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Yes, some brain dead pussy's like you would be bitching, but not anyone who knows anything about football. We saw what happened with Sark's stupidity and only Quinn's great play in OT saved Sark's ass.

Hahahaha.  With Sark as the HC and Ewers leading the offense, it's amazing we aren't 0 for....

There, did that make you happy?  Did I do it right?  Get the fuck out you dumb ass.  You must have been a Herman fan and cans stand us making the playoffs under Sark back to back.

Posted (edited)

The punt block was a great call. ASU’s narrow path to victory required running the ball, running clock, and opportunistic passes and QB scrambles. If Texas could have gotten an early three score lead, that plan goes out the window (or they run their gadgets early while the defense is fresh). 
 
The Texas defense is good at a lot of things. It is great at rushing the passer. 

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

Hahahaha.  With Sark as the HC and Ewers leading the offense, it's amazing we aren't 0 for....

There, did that make you happy?  Did I do it right?  Get the fuck out you dumb ass.  You must have been a Herman fan and cans stand us making the playoffs under Sark back to back.

Sarks best move during his tenure is hiring PK

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Posted
2 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Sarks best move during his tenure is hiring PK

This I agree with.  By no means have I said Sark has been perfect,  but the last part of Mack's time, Strong's, and Herman's still burn in my brain...  Maybe we could do better than Sark. We definitely could do worse...and I'm not ready to play Russian roulette just yet based on less than stellar play calling at times.  

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10 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Sarks best move during his tenure is hiring PK

Especially due to PK being perfectly happy as a coordinator with no/little desire to be a HC. The continuity is massive for us. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

This I agree with.  By no means have I said Sark has been perfect,  but the last part of Mack's time, Strong's, and Herman's still burn in my brain...  Maybe we could do better than Sark. We definitely could do worse...and I'm not ready to play Russian roulette just yet based on less than stellar play calling at times.  

I think we all wish Sark would hire an OC to assist with game-planning and calls during games so he can focus more on the big picture and clock management. But, it's not in him to give play calling.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Especially due to PK being perfectly happy as a coordinator with no/little desire to be a HC. The continuity is massive for us. 

 

Remember when people wanted PK fired? 

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33 minutes ago, statsman said:

The punt block was a great call. ASU’s narrow path to victory required running the ball, running clock, and opportunistic passes and QB scrambles. If Texas could have gotten an early three score lead, that plan goes out the window (or they run their gadgets early while the defense is fresh). 
 
The Texas defense is good at a lot of things. It is great at rushing the passer. 

This. Hard to hate the call. Had we jumped on an early three score lead, we could have cruised to a significantly less stressful victory, even with the third quarter struggles. ASU having to pass more would have increased the odds of more turnovers via interceptions or strip sacks, too.

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I feel like sark is trying to break tendency with his deep shots in the playoff. he's overthinking it all. he's cut his screen game in half it feels and he's passing downfield. he needs to find that balance for us to maximize our offensive possessions. 

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5 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said:

This. Hard to hate the call. Had we jumped on an early three score lead, we could have cruised to a significantly less stressful victory, even with the third quarter struggles. ASU having to pass more would have increased the odds of more turnovers via interceptions or strip sacks, too.

It was 14-3 Texas halfway through the 1st quarter. The punt return TD kind of replaced the possible blocked punt TD, and it still ended up not serving us that well. 

The main reason the game got stressful is because our offense couldn't stay on the field and get in a rhythm. We had the ball for like 4 total minutes of 1st and 3rd quarter combined. Crazy. 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

This I agree with.  By no means have I said Sark has been perfect,  but the last part of Mack's time, Strong's, and Herman's still burn in my brain...  Maybe we could do better than Sark. We definitely could do worse...and I'm not ready to play Russian roulette just yet based on less than stellar play calling at times.  

And I’m not pushing for sark to be replaced. I’m not crazy. Funny thing is we were putting up points his first couple of years with far shittier qbs than Quinn.  Now that we are loaded with talent it seems like he just wants to end the game asap. 
 

im in the minority regarding Herman. I thought he could’ve won here if he changed a few things. He was fired because he is asshole

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14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Milwee is upstairs in the booth, right? I wonder if he and Sark are talking throughout the game. 

We should send Sark’s ass up into the booth after halftime so he can see how much he sucks in the 3rd quarter. 

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18 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

im in the minority regarding Herman. I thought he could’ve won here if he changed a few things. He was fired because he is asshole

There are many similarities between Sark and Herman, most notable being the turtling with a lead and other game management issues.

The three key differences are:

1. Sark knows how to properly recruit and manage a roster. Tom would just stockpile higher rated recruits with no regard to specific position needs (OL, LBs, EDGE). This led to Tom having massive roster deficiencies by the time he was shown the door.

2. Sark knows how to hire assistants. Tom just stick with his UH comfort hires.

3. Sark is infinitely more likable. This ties into recruiting and hiring assistants as well. PK would never want to work for a douche like Tom.

These differences seem to be worth about 3-4 wins per season.

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20 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

And I’m not pushing for sark to be replaced. I’m not crazy. Funny thing is we were putting up points his first couple of years with far shittier qbs than Quinn.  Now that we are loaded with talent it seems like he just wants to end the game asap. 
 

im in the minority regarding Herman. I thought he could’ve won here if he changed a few things. He was fired because he is asshole

Every coach has a flaw, even Saban (not being able to adapt to the NIL era), he just got out before it really nailed him.

Unfortunately for Herman, his innate unchangable flaw was that he was an arrogant asshole.  That arrogance led him to believe he was smarter than he was (mensa), which bled into recruiting, game planning and management, and booster relations.  It's not an uncommon trait in business either with people who have a rocket ship trajectory early in their career, they start hearing how they are "HiPo" and getting high on their own supply.  Herman needed a good humbling, and he sure got it after getting knocked down to FIU or wherever he just got fired from.  Thing is, he actually isn't as terrible as many think, and he could have a decent 2nd act to his career if he can stay hungry and humble and build it up, kinda like Sark did after his fall from grace.

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

If you hold an ace in your sleave, you don't put it into play when your opponent just folded on the first hand.

It’s not an “ace.” You guys act like any special teams “play” is a special thing.

Every game punt blocks are formulated to blocking schemes and tendencies of the team we are playing. Just like literally any other play design (offense or defense). They clearly saw a tendency on film and decided they were going to attack it.
 

A punt block there is a huge statement and probably adds to what should have been a blowout. You can tell by the our actions all through the 1q we we’re attempting to destroy these guys. There is literally nothing wrong with being aggressive.

i am all willing to bet block or no block if Blackwell doesn’t dumbass it up, we run the pressure more than once that game. 

The point is, this was not a trick play, it was deliberate, straightforward attack to the Arizona St. base scheme. 

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8 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Every coach has a flaw, even Saban (not being able to adapt to the NIL era), he just got out before it really nailed him.

Unfortunately for Herman, his innate unchangable flaw was that he was an arrogant asshole.  That arrogance led him to believe he was smarter than he was (mensa), which bled into recruiting, game planning and management, and booster relations.  It's not an uncommon trait in business either with people who have a rocket ship trajectory early in their career, they start hearing how they are "HiPo" and getting high on their own supply.  Herman needed a good humbling, and he sure got it after getting knocked down to FIU or wherever he just got fired from.  Thing is, he actually isn't as terrible as many think, and he could have a decent 2nd act to his career if he can stay hungry and humble and build it up, kinda like Sark did after his fall from grace.

Honestly that’s why I’m shocked he did as well as he did here.  UH Herman was impressive. Beat ou and jimbo 

 

 

Herman had plenty of flaws but he is the perfect example of the potential of the Texas job.  He had highly rated classes and I’ll agree with the poster above that he couldn’t build a roster.  And yea he hired his cronies instead of the best available assistants.  Insecure, drunk asshole.  I’ll also point out he came the closest to beating burrow, Jefferson and chase.  

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8 minutes ago, Fico said:

It’s not an “ace.” You guys act like any special teams “play” is a special thing.

Every game punt blocks are formulated to blocking schemes and tendencies of the team we are playing. Just like literally any other play design (offense or defense). They clearly saw a tendency on film and decided they were going to attack it.
 

A punt block there is a huge statement and probably adds to what should have been a blowout. You can tell by the our actions all through the 1q we we’re attempting to destroy these guys. There is literally nothing wrong with being aggressive.

i am all willing to bet block or no block if Blackwell doesn’t dumbass it up, we run the pressure more than once that game. 

The point is, this was not a trick play, it was deliberate, straightforward attack to the Arizona St. base scheme. 

This is a lot of fucking words to say nothing worth reading. I don't even know what point you're trying to make, but you failed horribly. 

Go get your shine box.

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48 minutes ago, USNALonghorn said:

There are many similarities between Sark and Herman, most notable being the turtling with a lead and other game management issues.

The three key differences are:

1. Sark knows how to properly recruit and manage a roster. Tom would just stockpile higher rated recruits with no regard to specific position needs (OL, LBs, EDGE). This led to Tom having massive roster deficiencies by the time he was shown the door.

2. Sark knows how to hire assistants. Tom just stick with his UH comfort hires.

3. Sark is infinitely more likable. This ties into recruiting and hiring assistants as well. PK would never want to work for a douche like Tom.

These differences seem to be worth about 3-4 wins per season.

I think the list of differences between Herman and Sark is much, much longer than this. For example, the fact that Sark doesn't use his QB like a fullback, which allows us to recruit QBs who would rather focus on other things. Like passing the ball. I also have yet to see Sark flip off a camera or challenge an opposing coach to a fight. He also seems to know his kicker's name (although its debatable whether that's an improvement). 

In fact, I think it would be easier to list the very, very few ways in which they are similar. Like the fact that they both tend to play more conservatively with a lead and...well that's pretty much it. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

ESPN NFL countdown just said that Sark is being talked about as an NFL head coach next year. 

Well that's a first. The NFL never showed any interest in Mack.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Cowboys may be interested. 

Cowboys would be interested in a anyone with a pulse , I think Sark is too smart for the Cowboys to be the job he takes 

 

If he did take my first calls would probably be Ryan Day and Dilly Dilly 

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