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21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

I noticed a comment from Sark in post-game PC (5:20 mark) about sitting with Arch at halftime to look at the tape/coverages. 

My questions are this: 

- Is there any coach communicating with our QB during the game on the sidelines? 

- Are we actually waiting until halftime to discuss tape/coverages? 

he looks at the ipad with Milwee after every series. so no, but solving the problem is a different question. tOSU was ready and we had no real tape on them (new DC). play 8 quarters (endurance aside) and maybe it's different but no doubt we did not solve the coverage problem on the fly.

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8 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

There are plenty of rankings and so called experts that were saying Texas has more talent than OSU. And the ESPN power index had Texas at 53%, and that's on the road. It would've been nearly 60% at home. How many people posting here picked OSU? I think myself and about 2 others, that's it. In fact someone posted that something like 98% of Texas fans picked Texas, but only 90% of OSU fans so that means Texas has the better chance to win.

To be honest, I'm not sure at this point if I could pick who has the most talent, but I'm pretty damn sure who has the better coaching staff. Thank God at least we have coach K. 

that's splitting hairs. no reasonable person is calling Saturday an upset by a less talented team.

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

Milwee is ass

I don't have a retort to that.

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Posted (edited)

arch was so inconsistent - and that means he threw some nice balls too - that made it impossible to take him out. you think at some point he starts turning the corner in a one score game.  I think Saturday sucked ass but I'm coming around to the fact that we just had way to high of an expectation for him. granted plenty of young inexperienced QBs did fine this weekend, but honestly I do think the intensity of the expectations on Arch and Caleb Downs and this mysterious man with a woman's name for his last name with no film on them made it extra difficult.

So I am going to suspend my judgment re all things Arch until after Fla (which assumes complete annihilation the next three weeks). However, I continue to think Sark is a fucking knucklehead on Fourth and Go For It and Redzone Offense. 

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2 hours ago, westexhorn said:

This is still better than the abortion of late Mack, Chuckles and Herman.  Just gotta hope he gets lucky and squeezes 1 title in next 10 years.

Guys, Herman was a genius.  He was on the cover of Texas Football drawing up plays.  He was “building culture” at Texas, as some fanboy on this board said when he started a thread about it. 
 

Live long enough, and not be from Alabama, and you will quit acting as though coaches are the Messiah. 
 

Bum Phillips was right about there only being two kinds of coaches. 

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34 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

OK, but there is no way to know that the backup would have been better.  he could have thrown pick 6's, fumbled on sacks, all kinds of stuff.

first we have Ewers and now we have Arch, are you absolutely sure it isn't a QB development problem with Sark?  development is as much mental as it is physical.

I'm going to speculate that Quinn and Arch have a similar psychological makeup. They want to do well so bad the pressure overwhelms them causing them to freeze up, and just the opposite happens because their body is shaking. Some people have issues developed as children that 15-20 years to overcome even with counseling. It takes time and I don't blame Sark for that, IF it is an issue.

A precision game requires total relaxation, just like golfing. Playing QB not like playing OL where you just just go all out physically and try to knock the other guy on his ass. Something is amiss because we know Arch has the arm talent, he's shown it. I think once Arch has some success and gains confidence he will be fine. And, as Sark said, he does better after he's been hit. Getting hit definitely knocks off some nerves. 

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41 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

There are plenty of rankings and so called experts that were saying Texas has more talent than OSU. And the ESPN power index had Texas at 53%, and that's on the road. It would've been nearly 60% at home. How many people posting here picked OSU? I think myself and about 2 others, that's it. In fact someone posted that something like 98% of Texas fans picked Texas, but only 90% of OSU fans so that means Texas has the better chance to win.

To be honest, I'm not sure at this point if I could pick who has the most talent, but I'm pretty damn sure who has the better coaching staff. Thank God at least we have coach K. 

I’d say tOSU is one of the 10 or so in D1 with equal talent to Texas.

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3 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

There’s a lot of dumb posts in this thread, but you win the prize today. 

I truly don’t understand why people have to hate on a jimbo comparison. Sark as a head coach has 1 conference title. 0 national titles. Jimbo as a head coach has 1 national title and 3 conference titles. Jimbo has a much worse personality compared to sark. People only cared about his personality once he stopped winning. Only winning matters. We’d all hop on sabans dick today if he throttled our media, fans and players while he was winning here

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1 hour ago, Hard Times said:

There are plenty of rankings and so called experts that were saying Texas has more talent than OSU. And the ESPN power index had Texas at 53%, and that's on the road. It would've been nearly 60% at home. How many people posting here picked OSU? I think myself and about 2 others, that's it. In fact someone posted that something like 98% of Texas fans picked Texas, but only 90% of OSU fans so that means Texas has the better chance to win.

To be honest, I'm not sure at this point if I could pick who has the most talent, but I'm pretty damn sure who has the better coaching staff. Thank God at least we have coach K. 

I think a lot of that was predicated on Arch looking like he did last year in the limited reps everyone saw. His performance completely changed the analysis. 

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Posted

Sure Arch was awful but the garbage 4th and goal QB sneak was Sark. Big game requires your best play, the one your team practiced in the off-season, the one your player enjoy running because it's deceptive etc. Chris Petersen had them John Mackovik had one and many others but apparently not Sark the so called offensive guru 

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1 hour ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Did milwee get arch to the side arm quick sling? Feels like ewers did that a lot last season too? 

Hey Arch, throw it like a spaz into the dirt here. Yeah great work bud 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, chitown bevo said:

Sure Arch was awful but the garbage 4th and goal QB sneak was Sark. Big game requires your best play, the one your team practiced in the off-season, the one your player enjoy running because it's deceptive etc. Chris Petersen had them John Mackovik had one and many others but apparently not Sark the so called offensive guru 

What was going through my mind, that QB sneak could have got Arch hurt.  He hadn't played great the whole game and was obviously nervous.  

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To put it simply, I don't want to see another QB sneak at the goal line again this year. Yeah, it will probably work against shit competition, but it won't when it matters. 

We've got a month to work on a jumbo package handoff to a RB. Figure it out. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

To put it simply, I don't want to see another QB sneak at the goal line again this year. Yeah, it will probably work against shit competition, but it won't when it matters. 

We've got a month to work on a jumbo package handoff to a RB. Figure it out. 

 

I cannot for the life of me understand why every team isn’t putting together a tush push package. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, cashman said:

Arch Manning is big enough and we've recruited well enough at O line to where we should be able to sneak it in inside the 1. 

Sure. But when you have 5 guys overtop of your center and your run into that. Defense wins every time. They completely sold out there any other play and satya could have scored 

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2 minutes ago, cashman said:

Arch Manning is big enough and we've recruited well enough at O line to where we should be able to sneak it in inside the 1. 

If you listened to what Sark said, he didn't want to give them a chance to sub for bigger personnel and thought we could beat who they had on the field.  He was wrong.  I didn't love the play call but I didn't hate it.  You have to be able to get a a damn foot with a QB sneak.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, lilMAC25 said:

I’d say tOSU is one of the 10 or so in D1 with equal talent to Texas.


Ten is way too high. 

I would put it at 4-5 teams. 

tOSU

Georgia

Penn State

…maybe…

LSU

Miami

Notre Dame 

Oregon

…probably not…

Clemson

Michigan

 


 

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Posted
45 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

To put it simply, I don't want to see another QB sneak at the goal line again this year. Yeah, it will probably work against shit competition, but it won't when it matters. 

We've got a month to work on a jumbo package handoff to a RB. Figure it out. 

 

Maybe something with a full back?

Posted
6 minutes ago, Napoleon said:


Ten is way too high. 

I would put it at 4-5 teams. 

tOSU

Georgia

Penn State

…maybe…

LSU

Miami

Notre Dame 

…probably not…

Clemson

Michigan

 


 

Fair, I was making a conservative estimate of our talent,

Posted
3 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Did milwee get arch to the side arm quick sling? Feels like ewers did that a lot last season too? 

I think Ewers had that tendency  going back to high school.  We had never seen that before with Arch, IIRC.  Watching the "every pass" video, it seemed he did that when he thought he needed to get the ball out quick, in many cases on a check down/pretty complete coveragae and maybe with an illusion of imminent pressure.  And maybe when he thought he could get away with it.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

To put it simply, I don't want to see another QB sneak at the goal line again this year. Yeah, it will probably work against shit competition, but it won't when it matters. 

We've got a month to work on a jumbo package handoff to a RB. Figure it out. 

 

Remember how all offseason we said that if we only had Baxter in the playoffs we could have punched it in from the 1 yd line?

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Posted
4 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

You're correct, there is no way to know. I honestly have a hard time thinking of a performance any worse than Manning's yesterday. But you're right. I think I may be right, but that it's in the question tells us something, no? Part of my reason to mention an unnamed QB was to illustrate my opinion of Manning's game yesterday.

I'm not sure I see how Ewers was poorly developed. Before he got hurt each season, if I'm not mistaken, he was rather brilliant. Perhaps I attribute too much to the injuries. I'm a football idiot compared to the guys around here who clearly know shit. I thought Arch might be better than Ewers last year, but things other than the way they played kept Ewers on the field. I was way off on that one.

Politics has shown me what a miserable predictor I can be. I'm better at football but not by much.

Hudson Card at Arkansas was pretty bad but I agree Saturday was not good.  Manning is going to have to implode against a Florida/OU/Vandy type team to get pulled.  possibly even multiple games before it would happen.

He's been in the system 3 years and even more than Ewers, Sark needs Manning to be "very good".

 

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back to Sark.  I hate the fucking hurry up/don't let them sub BS on the QB sneak.  that works against poorly coached and lesser talented teams.

It is 4th down with the game very likely on the line.  get your best package in with your best play.

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3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

back to Sark.  I hate the fucking hurry up/don't let them sub BS on the QB sneak.  that works against poorly coached and lesser talented teams.

It is 4th down with the game very likely on the line.  get your best package in with your best play.

They stacked 5 guys over the 3 blockers on that play too. Like wtf 

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Posted (edited)

The QB sneak wasn't even the worst call. It was the multiple QB draw plays out of shotgun right before that I didn't like. You should be able to get a TD on a QB sneak from the 1.

 

Google says that a QB sneak on the 1 yard line has an 80-90% success rate fwiw.

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Posted
38 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The QB sneak wasn't even the worst call. It was the multiple QB draw plays out of shotgun right before that I didn't like. You should be able to get a TD on a QB sneak from the 1.

 

Google says that a QB sneak on the 1 yard line has an 80-90% success rate fwiw.

This. QB sneak, especially with a guy like Arch, should be near automatic for half a yard. The execution was the bigger problem imo (which is on the coaches too to be clear)

Posted
5 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

I noticed a comment from Sark in post-game PC (5:20 mark) about sitting with Arch at halftime to look at the tape/coverages. 

My questions are this: 

- Is there any coach communicating with our QB during the game on the sidelines? 

- Are we actually waiting until halftime to discuss tape/coverages? 

This is one of the problems with your OC being HC. It's pretty simple. When the defense/ST is on the field, the HC has to be paying attention to what's happening on the field. With a pure OC, they can spend that entire time watching tape, talking to the QB, and planning the next series. I guess AJ does that stuff but he's not the QB whisperer Sark is supposed to be. 

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Posted (edited)
20 hours ago, lilMAC25 said:

Fuck your politics. Take that tripe to CR where it fucking belongs.


Saw warning.  

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I cannot for the life of me understand why every team isn’t putting together a tush push package. 

Sorry for posting an OSU score…their jumbo with 4 TEs, two lined up as fullback. #83 is a true freshman but the rest are 3rd year+ guys.

 

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Yo - hope it's safe to jump back in with my postgame thoughts.  It was a nailbiter and hats off to TX for the great game they played.  A few notes...

- Haven't read your postmortems but clearly there's no reason to panic on TX's part. That was a whale of a season opener, on the road, against a jazzed crowd and a hyped opponent with more or less equal talent. In the end the loss will matter little if TX plays to its potential this year. Even 3 losses with one of those coming in the CCG would safely put them in the CFP field. So yet another rematch is a clear possibility for us.
- Both teams played tight, IMO. Dropped passes, misfired passes, etc - not surprising given the magnitude of the game and coming in without any sort of warmup. But in the end we got a few great plays from great players on both sides.
- The entire difference in the game more or less boils down to the fact that we converted our 4th-and-goal opportunity and TX did not. That's about as even an outcome as could possibly be expected. Everything else was effectively a wash. I think TX looked like the more dangerous team overall, but OSU was a lot more opportunistic and TX couldn't quite solve the puzzle.
- Both teams pass protected very well. TX had a clear advantage in the running game and for that reason alone I would, in a vacuum, have predicted a TX win. But I think a big part of that success was also due to the light box of OSU's defensive scheme, which looked primarily to take away the big play and was willing to give up small chunks on the ground and underneath stuff in the passing game....which Manning helpfully decided to suck at executing.  On offense, OSU played a game so conservative that I think Jim Tressel blushed in shame and envy. Since we had a lead for much of the game and TX offense wasn't really doing anything, we were never really forced to put our shiny new QB at risk. Which is great, given the defense he was facing. I think Sayin acquitted himself well with the little he was asked to do. Had Manning had been able to hit any WR in stride, the dynamics of the game would have been much different and more would have been asked of the OSU offense.
- Speaking of Manning (because it's clearly obligatory) - I think he's going to be fine over the course of the season. Heisman level, maybe not, but in the 4th quarter he showed why OSU was worried about the downfield threat from his arm.  Those crossing route misses were weird, but I would attribute much of that to nerves and adrenaline. After all, he is presumably human. A few games to iron things out and I think he'll start to click, as will the rest of the offense. Manning is big and strong and he was able to keep a number of plays alive that should have been sacks. Even on his final play he somehow completed the desperation pass while wearing a DE as a cape. I'm not as down on him as most - but OTOH those mechanics did look goofy. Mostly I thought he just looked uncomfortable, partly due to the OSU defense, partly due to the big stage, maybe his shoulder pads didn't fit quite right. We'll see.
- From what I've gathered on the game experience, it sounds like the visiting fans had a much better time, and I'm grateful to hear it. Looking forward to hearing a few more stories from those who traveled.

Thanks for making this a fun opener. Hopefully it keeps the flame alight to encourage other programs to do so too.  I remember when this series was scheduled and it seemed so far in the future....can't believe it's already half over.  I'm really looking forward to the return game next year, might have to try to sneak into that one.

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26 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Sorry for posting an OSU score…their jumbo with 4 TEs, two lined up as fullback. #83 is a true freshman but the rest are 3rd year+ guys.

 

I still don’t understand why Ant dove in like that. I’d he stonewalls that blocker in the hole I think we stop them. 

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8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I still don’t understand why Ant dove in like that. I’d he stonewalls that blocker in the hole I think we stop them. 

He fell/tripped. 

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3 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Sure. But when you have 5 guys overtop of your center and your run into that. Defense wins every time. They completely sold out there any other play and satya could have scored 

Based on Sark’s post play reaction my thought is that Arch was supposed to check out of that…or at least read it to go left instead of right

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51 minutes ago, Borrominion said:

Yo - hope it's safe to jump back in with my postgame thoughts.  It was a nailbiter and hats off to TX for the great game they played.  A few notes...

- Haven't read your postmortems but clearly there's no reason to panic on TX's part. That was a whale of a season opener, on the road, against a jazzed crowd and a hyped opponent with more or less equal talent. In the end the loss will matter little if TX plays to its potential this year. Even 3 losses with one of those coming in the CCG would safely put them in the CFP field. So yet another rematch is a clear possibility for us.
- Both teams played tight, IMO. Dropped passes, misfired passes, etc - not surprising given the magnitude of the game and coming in without any sort of warmup. But in the end we got a few great plays from great players on both sides.
- The entire difference in the game more or less boils down to the fact that we converted our 4th-and-goal opportunity and TX did not. That's about as even an outcome as could possibly be expected. Everything else was effectively a wash. I think TX looked like the more dangerous team overall, but OSU was a lot more opportunistic and TX couldn't quite solve the puzzle.
- Both teams pass protected very well. TX had a clear advantage in the running game and for that reason alone I would, in a vacuum, have predicted a TX win. But I think a big part of that success was also due to the light box of OSU's defensive scheme, which looked primarily to take away the big play and was willing to give up small chunks on the ground and underneath stuff in the passing game....which Manning helpfully decided to suck at executing.  On offense, OSU played a game so conservative that I think Jim Tressel blushed in shame and envy. Since we had a lead for much of the game and TX offense wasn't really doing anything, we were never really forced to put our shiny new QB at risk. Which is great, given the defense he was facing. I think Sayin acquitted himself well with the little he was asked to do. Had Manning had been able to hit any WR in stride, the dynamics of the game would have been much different and more would have been asked of the OSU offense.
- Speaking of Manning (because it's clearly obligatory) - I think he's going to be fine over the course of the season. Heisman level, maybe not, but in the 4th quarter he showed why OSU was worried about the downfield threat from his arm.  Those crossing route misses were weird, but I would attribute much of that to nerves and adrenaline. After all, he is presumably human. A few games to iron things out and I think he'll start to click, as will the rest of the offense. Manning is big and strong and he was able to keep a number of plays alive that should have been sacks. Even on his final play he somehow completed the desperation pass while wearing a DE as a cape. I'm not as down on him as most - but OTOH those mechanics did look goofy. Mostly I thought he just looked uncomfortable, partly due to the OSU defense, partly due to the big stage, maybe his shoulder pads didn't fit quite right. We'll see.
- From what I've gathered on the game experience, it sounds like the visiting fans had a much better time, and I'm grateful to hear it. Looking forward to hearing a few more stories from those who traveled.

Thanks for making this a fun opener. Hopefully it keeps the flame alight to encourage other programs to do so too.  I remember when this series was scheduled and it seemed so far in the future....can't believe it's already half over.  I'm really looking forward to the return game next year, might have to try to sneak into that one.

Well said. 
 

fuck you anyway 

 

but still well said 

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3 hours ago, Napoleon said:


Ten is way too high. 

I would put it at 4-5 teams. 

tOSU

Georgia

Penn State

…maybe…

LSU

Miami

Notre Dame 

Oregon

…probably not…

Clemson

Michigan

 


 

I don’t trust a list of most talented teams when aggy is missing 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Hard Times said:

There are plenty of rankings and so called experts that were saying Texas has more talent than OSU. And the ESPN power index had Texas at 53%, and that's on the road. It would've been nearly 60% at home. How many people posting here picked OSU? I think myself and about 2 others, that's it. In fact someone posted that something like 98% of Texas fans picked Texas, but only 90% of OSU fans so that means Texas has the better chance to win.

To be honest, I'm not sure at this point if I could pick who has the most talent, but I'm pretty damn sure who has the better coaching staff. Thank God at least we have coach K. 

I'll do you one better. If, and it's a big if, we seem marked improvement from Arch, which I firmly believe we will, I'm not sure who I would pick if these teams face one another in the CFP. Obviously, it will greatly depend on the rest of the seasons results. Let me parse it a different way. If the teams play in 4 weeks after both the easy games on the plate, I'm still not sure who I'd pick if Arch shows marked improvement in that time.

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