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Many years ago, I wrote a ten part series for Barking Carnival about the history of cheating in recruiting. The premise was that recruits differentiate among offers based on perceived value. In a world where there are no illegal inducements, a scholarship to the University of Texas, to play football, has greater value than the same from any of our regional (and most of our national) peers. Bags are needed to overcome that, and it’s no coincidence that so many of our rivals were dirty as hell. Around 1982, Texas had to decide if it was going to compete in recruiting (requiring bags) and the Tower decided, “No, we aren’t doing that”, and we had those miserable years result. I think the subsequent period of NCAA prnalizationnof OU and the SWC, along with realignment, controlled the bag game for a while and Texas ascended again. 
 
In 2020, with NIL and the portal, Texas had to make a decision again- compete or basically relegate ourselves. This time, the Tower decided to compete, and that is the world we live in. 
 
I enjoy the recruiting success. I don’t enjoy calling for our most successful boosters to fund recruiting out of their personal largesse- that makes me feel small as a fan. I absolutely am thankful for their contributions and wish they could have more recognition for it. 
 
Immamac has alluded to a future where about $15M (from “the House Settlement”) would be allocated to football (the same as other P4 schools), and that would be the baseline pay. Stars would get more pay from corporate (“real”) NIL, and the idea is that the Austin economy is vibrant enough that Texas will still be super-competitive in pay for play. I hope that works well. 

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6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Just so we’re clear, if nowhere else, on this board, at least.

Texas wasn’t ready for shit in 2020. They weren’t ready on July 1, 2021, either. They didn’t support what NIL has become. They were fucking scared of it. What they weren’t scared of, they were oblivious to or dismissive of in all forms. 

So was the rest of the CFB landscape outside of Oregon and, well, a small group of us here and Bobby Burton. 

Small details may not seem important to you and this may seem like a quibble, but to me it is not. We put sweat into creating IP, aligning various skill sets and personalities, and then helping give it all away for the notion of a greater good for Texas and no longer seeing the UT AD be the disconnected, pious, pompous and trodden-upon snob it had become. We didn’t just create IP that was adopted ultimately across all of CFB, we took risk in bringing it to the forefront and then forcing the powers that be at Texas to see it and embrace it. 

And as to the notion that we’ll ever go back to just letting Bama and others make a mockery of the rules and get over on our fanbase? Not happening. Texas is not only now self-aware, it is assertive. Should that ever falter, we’ll call the banners again and find a way to go to war. 

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53 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Just so we’re clear, if nowhere else, on this board, at least.

Texas wasn’t ready for shit in 2020. They weren’t ready on July 1, 2021, either. They didn’t support what NIL has become. They were fucking scared of it. What they weren’t scared of, they were oblivious to or dismissive of in all forms. 

So was the rest of the CFB landscape outside of Oregon and, well, a small group of us here and Bobby Burton. 

Small details may not seem important to you and this may seem like a quibble, but to me it is not. We put sweat into creating IP, aligning various skill sets and personalities, and then helping give it all away for the notion of a greater good for Texas and no longer seeing the UT AD be the disconnected, pious, pompous and trodden-upon snob it had become. We didn’t just create IP that was adopted ultimately across all of CFB, we took risk in bringing it to the forefront and then forcing the powers that be at Texas to see it and embrace it. 

And as to the notion that we’ll ever go back to just letting Bama and others make a mockery of the rules and get over on our fanbase? Not happening. Texas is not only now self-aware, it is assertive. Should that ever falter, we’ll call the banners again and find a way to go to war. 

Until the Pancake Factory everyone thought NIL meant kids would just sell Tshirts with their face on them and sign autographs for Ebay

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https://www.on3.com/news/uscs-nil-power-no-1-recruiting-class-signal-lincoln-rileys-program-is-turning-corner-we-were-very-behind/

"We were very behind"

“This is not one of those things where it’s a bunch of hollow promises, and things aren’t being followed through. It’s important to this university right now.”

Interesting that USC admits they were very behind, but more interesting that maybe their current class isn't built on "hollow promises."

As the proverb goes, "we'll see."

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On 5/29/2025 at 8:40 AM, closetojumping said:

Just so we’re clear, if nowhere else, on this board, at least.

Texas wasn’t ready for shit in 2020. They weren’t ready on July 1, 2021, either. They didn’t support what NIL has become. They were fucking scared of it. What they weren’t scared of, they were oblivious to or dismissive of in all forms. 

So was the rest of the CFB landscape outside of Oregon and, well, a small group of us here and Bobby Burton. 

Small details may not seem important to you and this may seem like a quibble, but to me it is not. We put sweat into creating IP, aligning various skill sets and personalities, and then helping give it all away for the notion of a greater good for Texas and no longer seeing the UT AD be the disconnected, pious, pompous and trodden-upon snob it had become. We didn’t just create IP that was adopted ultimately across all of CFB, we took risk in bringing it to the forefront and then forcing the powers that be at Texas to see it and embrace it. 

And as to the notion that we’ll ever go back to just letting Bama and others make a mockery of the rules and get over on our fanbase? Not happening. Texas is not only now self-aware, it is assertive. Should that ever falter, we’ll call the banners again and find a way to go to war. 

I remember posting that surly wasn't gonna get involved with any NIL cuz it was too messy...little did I know that no one else was gonna fucking step up and we did Burnt Ends and kicked off what would eventually become Horns With Heart and The Pancake Factory.

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Just now, immamac said:

I remember posting that surly wasn't gonna get involved with any NIL cuz it was too messy...little did I know that no one else was gonna fucking step up and we did Burnt Ends and kicked off what would eventually become Horns With Heart and The Pancake Factory.

For the love of god can I get my fucking cup now?

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

I remember posting that surly wasn't gonna get involved with any NIL cuz it was too messy...little did I know that no one else was gonna fucking step up and we did Burnt Ends and kicked off what would eventually become Horns With Heart and The Pancake Factory.

Funny. I had complete certainty that no one was going to step up on the UT side. Honestly I'm surprised that Clark Field Collective and some others also showed up. Sort of. 

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14 minutes ago, immamac said:

Fucking finally. 

Okay now what do we do with burnt ends? Keep it going or pivot slightly? 

Keep it going. The Clearing House is going to get sued the second they try to deny a players NIL deal. 

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Just now, Not a Sock said:

Keep it going. The Clearing House is going to get sued the second they try to deny a players NIL deal. 

I am not worried about getting that deal through I meant do we spread it around now that we don't have to have as high of a concentration to make it matter. 

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

I am not worried about getting that deal through I meant do we spread it around now that we don't have to have as high of a concentration to make it matter. 

That would be cool to less heralded positions like punter or something

 

You thinking Parker Livingstone to just get CTJ riled up?

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

The TE is still an overlooked position in all of CFB. Obviously not to sark. I say keep it at the TE and it’s still a cool differentiator. If you’re talking robot to another sport, like softball or volleyball, well ok. Let’s do it. 

I like the other sport idea....good call brother especially softball and volleyball! 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

The TE is still an overlooked position in all of CFB. Obviously not to sark. I say keep it at the TE and it’s still a cool differentiator. If you’re talking robot to another sport, like softball or volleyball, well ok. Let’s do it. 

Kill Squad. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I like the other sport idea....good call brother especially softball and volleyball! 

 

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Kill Squad. 

None of these people at a dinner with female athletes. It’ll be the prison visitation scene from Midnight Express multiplied by 30. 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

None of these people at a dinner with female athletes. It’ll be the prison visitation scene from Midnight Express multiplied by 30. 

Helobius at dinner with the softball team would prompt a congressional investigation. 

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What about T&F? OTF was talking about how outdoor T&F is 90% recruiting and something Texas just isn’t very competitive in. Also that can land Texas more Olympic medalists and which is alway a win for the Burnt Orange and Red White and Blue.

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4 hours ago, immamac said:

Fucking finally. 

Okay now what do we do with burnt ends? Keep it going or pivot slightly? 

Become bagmen.

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10 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

The TE is still an overlooked position in all of CFB. Obviously not to sark. I say keep it at the TE and it’s still a cool differentiator. If you’re talking pivoting to another sport, like softball or volleyball, well ok. Let’s do it. 
 

but I don’t think you can let this fucking braintrust of reprobates have a dinner with any of our female athletes. 

Let's not forget Women's soccer where I think we could make a real difference. Agree on the dinner part although it would be cool if I could bring my daughter to something with the athletes.  Although the female teams tend to be pretty easy to get your kids in front of anyway. 

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On 5/29/2025 at 9:36 AM, RGBIII said:

Until the Pancake Factory everyone thought NIL meant kids would just sell Tshirts with their face on them and sign autographs for Ebay

Everyone?  The reason NIL was banned and outside employment were heavily regulated for decades were to attempt to prevent thinly veiled pay for play.  As soon as the NIL ban was lifted, pay for play was inevitable.

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3 minutes ago, WBT said:

Everyone?  The reason NIL was banned and outside employment were heavily regulated for decades were to attempt to prevent thinly veiled pay for play.  As soon as the NIL ban was lifted, pay for play was inevitable.

Everyone in the Texas AD did, absolutely no one was prepared for this outside of Oregon and a group on this message board

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25 minutes ago, WBT said:

Everyone?  The reason NIL was banned and outside employment were heavily regulated for decades were to attempt to prevent thinly veiled pay for play.  As soon as the NIL ban was lifted, pay for play was inevitable.

Yes. And the people in the ADs across the country were the last don’t to see that was the case, and they actively fought against it. 

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I am not worried about getting that deal through I meant do we spread it around now that we don't have to have as high of a concentration to make it matter. 

Why not Meat Judging? Bring in Meat Pimp. ???. Profit!
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22 minutes ago, WBT said:

I've noticed that lots of sportswriters make the point about NIL dispersing talent but just can't quite make the next leap as to what led to the previous decade's talent concentration at  OSU, Clemson, and the sec.

Shane Gillis roasted Saban’s balls on live tv and it was hilarious.

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13 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

 I say keep it at the TE and it’s still a cool differentiator. If you’re talking pivoting to another sport, like softball or volleyball, well ok. Let’s do it. 

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19 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We should definitely not want any sports of caps or over regulation of deals. 

"We should want college sports to collapse on itself like any poorly regulated market in a normal boom/bust cycle."

That's what you just wrote without intending to. 

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20 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

"We should want college sports to collapse on itself like any poorly regulated market in a normal boom/bust cycle."

That's what you just wrote without intending to. 

Glad you like bag game and not being top of the sport in terms of this. 

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6 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

"We should want college sports to collapse on itself like any poorly regulated market in a normal boom/bust cycle."

That's what you just wrote without intending to. 

This is a bit disingenuous. What exactly is collapsing? And what would you rather see as a Texas fan: 2015 or 2024? I reject the notion that returning to a “regulated” market with a small cabal of cheaters prosper is better than what we have now.

In a vacuum, I would guess that no one on this board has a problem with a cap or returning college sports to a *truly* level playing field pre-pay for play. The problem is that environment is a fantasy that hasn’t existed since Nick Sagan put on his Alabama hat (if ever).

Even assuming the currently proposed cap system won’t inevitably collapse, it won’t stop a pay-for-play strategy. It will just rewind the clock back 10 years where payments are made under the table only by those schools willing to roll around in the mud. We’ll never get a true level playing field where students decide on a program based solely on academics, coaching, and school vibe. If money is going to be a factor, I would rather see kids get paid more and have it all out in the open. These past few years have been too much fun to give up. 

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17 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

but I don’t think you can let this fucking braintrust of reprobates have a dinner with any of our female athletes. 

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What exactly is stopping Texas from playing the bag game? We've established that paying players isn't morally wrong (quite the opposite, actually). Is it out of respect for the virtuous and ethical NCAA?

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Just now, TXpride said:

What exactly is stopping Texas from playing the bag game? We've established that paying players isn't morally wrong (quite the opposite, actually). Is it out of respect for the virtuous and ethical NCAA?

It’s our past prideful arrogance and sense of moral high ground.  It’s aggravating.  It’s time to crush our enemies like the cockroaches they are.

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12 minutes ago, TXpride said:

What exactly is stopping Texas from playing the bag game? We've established that paying players isn't morally wrong (quite the opposite, actually). Is it out of respect for the virtuous and ethical NCAA?

Moral superiority to the hayseeds we've now chosen to associate with

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20 hours ago, Moderator said:

Let's not forget Women's soccer where I think we could make a real difference. Agree on the dinner part although it would be cool if I could bring my daughter to something with the athletes.  Although the female teams tend to be pretty easy to get your kids in front of anyway. 

Yes! ⚽

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Bill Rabinowitz: Ohio State announces creation of in-house NIL entity

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Ohio State has announced the formation of a new in-house entity to handle the bulk of its name, image and likeness opportunities for athletes. Buckeye Sports Group will become the primary NIL group serving Ohio State athletes. It will be run jointly by the OSU athletic department and Learfield’s Ohio State Sports Properties. Buckeye Sports Group will replace THE Foundation and The 1870 Society collectives as Ohio State's major fundraising entity for NIL.

According to an OSU press release, founding members of those collectives will serve in an advisory capacity to Buckeye Sports Group. OSU said that recurring donations and subscriptions made to The Foundation will continue in a fundraising role to support OSU athletics. The formation of Buckeye Sports Group comes two days after a federal judge approved a settlement of three federal antitrust lawsuits against the NCAA. Member schools will be allowed to distribute $20.5 million to their athletes in the upcoming academic year. 

OSU athletic director Ross Bjork said the Buckeyes will reserve $18 million for direct payment to players for the use of their NIL. The remainder will be used to fund 91 new scholarships across OSU’s 36 sports. “We’re incredibly thankful for everything our NIL collective’s leadership, businesses and donors have done to support our student-athletes,” Bjork said in a release. “Their commitment has helped shape the landscape in powerful ways. As we move forward with a more unified approach, we’re excited to combine efforts and further strengthen the NIL success of our student-athletes.”

 

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