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On 10/9/2023 at 12:28 PM, aggie08 said:

What in the absolute fuck? I was just watching random YouTube videos, and a 3 minute ad from the Epoch fucking Times popped up blaming corporations and social media for making kids trans, overriding their parents' well-meaning guidance.

Disappointing that anyone except for Elon is taking Epoch Times' money.

I want to come back to this. I am raising teenage boys. I can GUARANTEE you there is no way in hell they are going to chose to be trans. Or gay. Kids are way better than when I was a kid but Jesus Christ you CANNOT recruit this shit. Fucking idiots.

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Yep, anyone who believes that shit fits into one of two categories:  #1 - They never knew any people who let them know they were on the LGBT specturm, and therefore their only experience is "My friend Karen's boy moved off to the city and became a homosexual," therefore it was the the city that did it, it wasn't that Karen's boy was just gay, or #2 - They themselves are fucking L, G, B, or T, and they think they would never have chosen it willingly, so it 100% must be that they were brainwashed by grooming, all the while ignoring that 1000's of people saw the same messaging and turned out straight.  These are people who will never ever ever take responsibility for their feelings or actions, they will always blame some other for all the ills in their world.  Always.

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23 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Yep, anyone who believes that shit fits into one of two categories:  #1 - They never knew any people who let them know they were on the LGBT specturm, and therefore their only experience is "My friend Karen's boy moved off to the city and became a homosexual," therefore it was the the city that did it, it wasn't that Karen's boy was just gay, or #2 - They themselves are fucking L, G, B, or T, and they think they would never have chosen it willingly, so it 100% must be that they were brainwashed by grooming, all the while ignoring that 1000's of people saw the same messaging and turned out straight.  These are people who will never ever ever take responsibility for their feelings or actions, they will always blame some other for all the ills in their world.  Always.

your last line is basically true for any insecurity. the thing people generally complain about the loudest in others is the thing they most hate about themselves

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1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Yep, anyone who believes that shit fits into one of two categories:  #1 - They never knew any people who let them know they were on the LGBT specturm, and therefore their only experience is "My friend Karen's boy moved off to the city and became a homosexual," therefore it was the the city that did it, it wasn't that Karen's boy was just gay, or #2 - They themselves are fucking L, G, B, or T, and they think they would never have chosen it willingly, so it 100% must be that they were brainwashed by grooming, all the while ignoring that 1000's of people saw the same messaging and turned out straight.  These are people who will never ever ever take responsibility for their feelings or actions, they will always blame some other for all the ills in their world.  Always.

When friends come out usually makes for an interesting story. Is there a thread on the subject that I missed?
 

I don’t personally know any folks who say they believe the groomer narrative, but I do know a few folks who stubbornly remain Republican, while claiming to have no problem with LBGTQ people. And they dismiss the idea that LBGTQ people are in, or headed towards, perilous times.

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Well of course they dismiss it.  If they didn't, they'd have to examine why they remain Republicans when they don't want to see bad things happen to a subset of the population because of their immutable traits.  And most people are allergic to re-examining their beliefs once they have them, even if very little to no examination went into adopting those beliefs before they adopted them.  They've picked their team already, they don't want to go changing midstream.  Kind of like why I don't watch the NFL anymore.  That fuck Bud Adams destroyed my team, and I just never could gather the courage to pick a new team.  I still felt like it would be a betrayal against my old team, even though they were dead to me.

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Paxton is looking for transgender Texas kids that are doing things in other states (Washington) that are legal in those states, but not Texas.  This could be a warmup for Texas women looking for abortions outside of Texas. @troph this is gonna piss you off.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/seattle-hospital-sues-after-texas-attorney-general-asks-for-handover-of-patient-records/

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The Seattle Children’s Hospital filed a lawsuit in Travis County District Court on Dec. 7 against the Texas Office of the Attorney General (OAG), after that agency requested documents related to gender transition policies and any such care provided to Texas children. 

However, hospital claims that the OAG lacks jurisdiction to demand such records from the hospital, and that Washington’s “Shield Law” protects it from requests made by states that “restrict or criminalize reproductive and gender-affirming car

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“The Shield Law prohibits Washington-based entities such as Seattle Children’s from ‘[c]omply[ing] with subpoena, warrant, court order, or other civil or criminal legal process for records, information, facilities, or assistance related to protected health care services that are lawful in the state of Washington,'” the lawsuit stated.

KXAN reached out to the OAG multiple times prior to publication; however, the agency never replied to our requests.

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According to copies of the OAG’s requests (included in the hospital’s lawsuit), the OAG sent two demands — a civil investigative demand and a notice of demand for sworn written statement. 

The first demand, which has an issue date of Nov. 17, told the hospital that the OAG was investigating “misrepresentations regarding Gender Transitioning and Reassignment Treatments and Procedures and Texas law” that allegedly violated the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices-Consumer Protection Act.

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That demand gave the hospital until Dec. 7 to produce documents to the OAG for the agency to identify the following:

  • All medications prescribed by the hospital to Texas children
  • The number of Texas children treated by the hospital
  • Diagnosis for every medication provided by the hospital to Texas children
  • Texas laboratories that performed lab tests for the hospital prior to prescribing medications
  • Protocol/guidance for treating Texas children diagnosed with gender identity disorder, gender dysphoria or endocrine disorders
  • Protocol/guidance on how to “wean” a Texas child off gender transitioning care

The other demand gave the same deadline date for the hospital to answer questions about the above points under oath.

Both demands include a notice that failure to comply could result in a misdemeanor criminal charge that would carry a $5,000 fine or jail confinement of up to a year.

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Hospital leaders affirm no Texas ties

While OAG extended its reach across state lines, the hospital has not, according to the hospital’s Chief Medical Operations Officer Dr. Ruth McDonald and two hospital senior directors. McDonald, in a sworn affidavit, told the court that the hospital does not have property or accounts, nor employees who provide “gender-affirming care” (or administrative services for that care) in Texas or based in Texas.

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“Likewise, SCH [Seattle Children’s Hospital] providers have not provided telemedicine services to Texas residents for ‘gender-affirming care’…or ‘Gender Transitioning or Gender Reassignment Procedures and Treatments,'” said McDonald in her affidavit. “Based on a search of records by our revenue cycle department, there is no record that SCH has provided any ‘gender-affirming care’…or ‘Gender Transitioning or Gender Reassignment Procedures and Treatments’…using public money from the State of Texas or with reimbursement from Texas’s Medicaid or Texas’s child health plan programs.”

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The affidavit also claims that the hospital “has not marketed or advertised” transition-related medical care in Texas. The two other affidavits were filed by a senior director responsible for the hospital’s email system and the senior director responsible for the hospital’s electronic health records system. Both swear that all of the servers and devices providing those services are based in Seattle.

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Sham requests and overreach of authority

“The Demands should also be set aside because they are not bona fide investigation into
violations of the DTPA and therefore are not proper exercise of the Attorney General’s authority,” the lawsuit states. “The Demands are an improper attempt by the Attorney General to investigate and enforce recently-enacted [Texas] SB 14 against Seattle Children’s based on healthcare services that may have been provided by or at Seattle Children’s within the State of Washington.”

The lawsuit cites definitions made in Senate Bill 14 that restricts the law’s scope to Texas:

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“Seattle Children’s is not (and cannot be) in violation of SB 14. The Demands are, therefore, an improper and ultra vires attempt to enforce SB 14 beyond the scope of the statute and beyond the authority of the Attorney General,” the lawsuit states. “The Attorney General, through the Demands for documents and information…is improperly attempting to investigate healthcare that did not occur in Texas.”

Along a similar line, the hospital’s attorneys claim that such an investigation violates the U.S. Constitution’s dormant Commerce Clause, which prevents States from enforcing “protectionist” laws that would erode a national marketplace.

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Traveling for medical care but staying in Texas is an interim solution for those with means who don’t want to move. The door is already shut for Texans without means. How we continue to elect fascists is beyond my comprehension. Dark, dark, dark days.

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On 12/20/2023 at 12:26 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Yep, anyone who believes that shit fits into one of two categories:  #1 - They never knew any people who let them know they were on the LGBT specturm, and therefore their only experience is "My friend Karen's boy moved off to the city and became a homosexual," therefore it was the the city that did it, it wasn't that Karen's boy was just gay, or #2 - They themselves are fucking L, G, B, or T, and they think they would never have chosen it willingly, so it 100% must be that they were brainwashed by grooming, all the while ignoring that 1000's of people saw the same messaging and turned out straight.  These are people who will never ever ever take responsibility for their feelings or actions, they will always blame some other for all the ills in their world.  Always.

I have a friend who is the Trump voting type. Largely a good guy. When his son was an 8th/9th grader he would say "all his friends are girls" and "he is really popular will the girls in his school". It was clear to everyone else the kid was gay. Kid gets older and moves to New York to attend NYU, and suddenly they are concerned. He was already gay. How the hell did you not know that.

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2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

I have a friend who is the Trump voting type. Largely a good guy. When his son was an 8th/9th grader he would say "all his friends are girls" and "he is really popular will the girls in his school". It was clear to everyone else the kid was gay. Kid gets older and moves to New York to attend NYU, and suddenly they are concerned. He was already gay. How the hell did you not know that.

They knew.

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7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) — Former county clerk Kim Davis, who refused to issue marriage licenses in Kentucky to same-sex couples, must pay a total of $260,104 in fees and expenses to attorneys who represented one couple, according to a federal judge’s ruling.

That’s in addition to $100,000 in damages a jury said the former Rowan County clerk should pay the couple who sued.

Attorneys for Davis had argued that the fees and costs sought by the attorneys were excessive, but U.S. District Judge David L. Bunning disagreed and said Davis must pay since the men prevailed in their lawsuit, the Lexington Herald-Leader reported.

Attorneys for Davis were expected to appeal the ruling.

Davis drew international attention when she was briefly jailed in 2015 over her refusal, which she based on her belief that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

Davis was released only after her staff issued the licenses on her behalf but removed her name from the form. Kentucky’s state legislature later enacted a law removing the names of all county clerks from state marriage licenses.

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24 minutes ago, bolverk said:

LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) — Former county clerk Kim Davis, who refused to issue marriage licenses in Kentucky to same-sex couples, must pay a total of $260,104 in fees and expenses to attorneys who represented one couple, according to a federal judge’s ruling.

 

Die, you broke, stanky, bigoted cunt.

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Early Access to Testosterone Therapy in Transgender and Gender-Diverse Adults Seeking Masculinization: A Randomized Clinical Trial

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Importance  Testosterone treatment is a necessary component of care for some transgender and gender-diverse individuals. Observational studies have reported associations between commencement of gender-affirming hormone therapy and improvements in gender dysphoria and depression, but there is a lack of data from randomized clinical trials.

Objective  To assess the effect of testosterone therapy compared with no treatment on gender dysphoria, depression, and suicidality in transgender and gender-diverse adults seeking masculinization.

Design, Setting, and Participants  A 3-month open-label randomized clinical trial was conducted at endocrinology outpatient clinics and primary care clinics specializing in transgender and gender-diverse health in Melbourne, Australia, from November 1, 2021, to July 22, 2022. Participants included transgender and gender-diverse adults aged 18 to 70 years seeking initiation of testosterone therapy.

Interventions  Immediate initiation of testosterone commencement (intervention group) or no treatment (standard care waiting list of 3 months before commencement). This design ensured no individuals would be waiting longer than the time to standard care.

Main Outcomes and Measures  The primary outcome was gender dysphoria, as measured by the Gender Preoccupation and Stability Questionnaire. Secondary outcomes included the Patient Health Questionnaire-9 (PHQ-9) to assess depression and the Suicidal Ideation Attributes Scale (SIDAS) to assess suicidality. Questionnaires were undertaken at 0 and 3 months. The evaluable cohort was analyzed.

Results  Sixty-four transgender and gender-diverse adults (median [IQR] age, 22.5 [20-27] years) were randomized. Compared with standard care, the intervention group had a decrease in gender dysphoria (mean difference, −7.2 points; 95% CI, −8.3 to −6.1 points; P < .001), a clinically significant decrease in depression (ie, change in score of 5 points on PHQ-9; mean difference, −5.6 points; 95% CI, −6.8 to −4.4 points; P < .001), and a significant decrease in suicidality (mean difference in SIDAS score, −6.5 points; 95% CI, −8.2 to −4.8 points; P < .001). Resolution of suicidality assessed by PHQ-9 item 9 occurred in 11 individuals (52%) with immediate testosterone commencement compared with 1 (5%) receiving standard care (P = .002). Seven individuals reported injection site pain/discomfort and 1 individual reported a transient headache 24 hours following intramuscular administration of testosterone undecanoate. No individual developed polycythemia.

Conclusions and Relevance  In this open-label randomized clinical trial of testosterone therapy in transgender and gender-diverse adults, immediate testosterone compared with no treatment significantly reduced gender dysphoria, depression, and suicidality in transgender and gender-diverse individuals desiring testosterone therapy.

Two excerpts (the Discussion and the Conclusion), and I will add no further commentary to the research, so as to not be accused of being a propagandist lmao. The details can all be found at the link I provided.

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Discussion

In this 3-month open-label randomized clinical trial of transgender and gender-diverse individuals seeking initiation of testosterone, we found a significant reduction in gender dysphoria, depression, and suicidality following testosterone commencement compared with no treatment.

Gender Dysphoria

Changes in gender dysphoria following commencement of GAHT have been quantified in a small number of studies.19,21,22 To date, 1 prospective controlled trial evaluated changes in gender dysphoria and quality of life following commencement of testosterone therapy, compared with a control group of cisgender women.19 Consistent with the current analysis, this study reported a decrease in gender dysphoria as measured by GPSQ score over 6 months. Similarly, 2 uncontrolled observational studies reported improvements in gender dysphoria following commencement of GAHT as assessed by the Gender Identity/Gender Dysphoria questionnaire21 and the Utrecht Gender Dysphoria Scale.22

In the current analysis, the mean GPSQ score decreased −7.2 points (95% CI, −8.3 to −6.1 points; P < .001). This is consistent with a previous prospective controlled trial19 but less than the clinically significant change of −11 points. This is likely related to the short-term follow-up, which is insufficient for the development of masculinizing physical characteristics and associated reductions in gender dysphoria. Despite this, 12 individuals (39%) in the intervention group had a clinically significant decrease greater than or equal to 11 points in the GPSQ following initiation of testosterone therapy.

Depression

Transgender and gender-diverse individuals have disproportionately higher rates of depression compared with the general population,10 with the highest rates of depression reported in transgender people desiring commencement of hormone therapy but unable to use or access them.23 Most cross-sectional21,24 and longitudinal25-28 studies of 6 to 18 months of testosterone therapy have reported lower depression scores in transgender and gender-diverse adults after initiation of testosterone therapy. Notably, these longitudinal studies were uncontrolled25,26,28 or compared with a cisgender female control group.27 Several questionnaires have been used to screen for depression in these analyses, including the Zung Self-Rating Depression Score,25 Hospital Anxiety and Depression Scale,26,28 and Beck Depression Inventory.27

The PHQ-9 has been used to assess depression in several analyses. Consistent with our findings, a recent 12-month prospective observational study using the PHQ-9 in transgender and gender-diverse youth reported 60% lower odds of depression and 73% lower odds of suicidality in transgender and gender-diverse youth treated with puberty blockers or GAHT, compared with those who had not yet initiated treatment.29 An uncontrolled longitudinal study in transgender and gender-diverse youth also reported a decrease in the PHQ-9 score following commencement of GAHT.30 To our knowledge, the current analysis is the first randomized clinical trial to include a transgender and gender-diverse control group randomized to no treatment.

Suicidality

The transgender and gender-diverse community has higher rates of suicide attempts and suicide compared with the general population.31 Large observational studies from the Netherlands reported suicide rates higher than the expected Dutch population average.32,33 In Australia, 43% of respondents reported a previous suicide attempt in an online survey enrolling transgender and gender-diverse participants.2 Similar findings have been shown globally.3,4 Note that being transgender or gender-diverse is not a mental illness and transgender and gender-diverse people are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their gender identity but rather at higher risk because of widespread discrimination, abuse, and marginalization in society.34,35

Cross-sectional analyses have evaluated the association of GAHT with suicide with discrepant results. One study of 380 transgender and gender-diverse individuals from Canada reported that individuals undergoing GAHT were about half as likely to have considered suicide over the past year, compared with those who desire GAHT.36 However, these findings were not replicated in a recent analysis from Australia,35 potentially due to other confounding factors that influence mental health.

The SIDAS has previously been used to assess suicidality in one online survey enrolling 382 transgender and gender-diverse individuals from Australia and New Zealand.37 In this study, 40% of the participants scored greater than or equal to 21, indicating a high risk of suicidal behavior. SIDAS scores greater than or equal to 21 were associated with higher distress and lower social support, but the authors did not report access to GAHT.

We also report a significant reduction in suicidality between the intervention and standard care groups as assessed by item 9 of the PHQ-9. The response to PHQ-9 item 9 has been found to predict subsequent suicide attempt and suicide death in the general population.38

Limitations

There are several limitations to this analysis. First, this study had a short follow-up period of 3 months, so we were unable to establish the long-term impact of testosterone on gender dysphoria, depression, or suicidality. This short period was designed for participant acceptability and feasibility so that transgender and gender-diverse participants would not be disadvantaged by waiting longer than standard care waiting times of 3 months for an initial consultation. Second, participants were not blinded to their intervention group. Therefore, it is possible that the effect of testosterone or patient knowledge of treatment has been evaluated. However, randomization of participants to no treatment or placebo over longer follow-up is unethical, particularly given preexisting barriers to accessing GAHT.2

Total testosterone levels were measured by immunoassay rather than by liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry. However, testosterone concentrations were measured to confirm the increase of testosterone concentrations in the intervention group and a large magnitude of change was expected. The quality-controlled immunoassay routinely used in our hospital for clinical decision-making was thought to be appropriate for this purpose.

Although we used the locally developed GPSQ for our primary outcome of gender dysphoria, this tool has not been validated to measure longitudinal changes in gender dysphoria. Similarly, the SIDAS has not been validated in transgender and gender-diverse cohorts. We did not quantify other factors known to influence mental health, including social support or discrimination. Participants were given the option of 2 testosterone formulations as per standard care in Australia. However, these formulations may not be bioequivalent. Finally, the trial participants were predominantly of White race and based in metropolitan areas in Australia, so findings might not be generalizable to other cohorts.

Despite these limitations, to our knowledge, this is the first randomized clinical trial of transgender and gender-diverse adults desiring commencement of testosterone therapy comparing individuals initiating testosterone with a control group of transgender and gender-diverse individuals randomized to no treatment.

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Conclusions

This open-label randomized clinical trial supports the use of testosterone therapy to significantly reduce gender dysphoria, depression, and suicidality in transgender and gender-diverse adults desiring commencement of testosterone therapy. These findings have critical implications for service access and delivery to ensure timely access to gender-affirming hormone therapy.

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8 hours ago, safe sex said:

Early Access to Testosterone Therapy in Transgender and Gender-Diverse Adults Seeking Masculinization: A Randomized Clinical Trial

The Abstract:

Two excerpts (the Discussion and the Conclusion), and I will add no further commentary to the research, so as to not be accused of being a propagandist lmao. The details can all be found at the link I provided.

Study flawed, more research needed, risk of injection site infection outweighs risk of suicide and depression. Recommend halting all treatment until studies with no flaws can be complete. Recommend defunding all research due to politicalization of the issue. 

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11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Coming soon to Texas …..

 

I've got news for them, they are going to have to contort their language a lot more to cover all their boogeymen. only straight marriages but no transgenders [sic]. bonus for them, ban gay marriage and ban transgenders [sic] from marrying all together. erasure at it's finest.

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11 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

So one of my really good friends has become very anti-trans. We haven't had a discussion about it yet as I did not know, but his younger brother mentioned it to me the other day. It's definitely triggered by the women's athletic side of it...he has a daughter playing sports. 

I'm gonna tell him a story about my family and hope it changes his perspective. 

I have a relative who is transsexual. My dad's first cousin, his name is Omid. He's probably around 70 years old now and lives in Virginia. 

Omid was born a female. He was born and raised in Karaj, Iran. He was a girl growing up but definitely felt like a boy. He met another girl who felt the same way. They were good friends and were there for each other. Eventually sometime in the 70's, he decided to make the transition. I don't know most of the details, but he had to go through a lot of psychiatric evaluations and eventually went to Paris to get some surgeries done. He eventually moved to America and has lived here ever since.

Think about it. Omid did this shit in the SEVENTIES. And grew up with all of this IN FUCKING IRAN. I can't imagine how difficult making that transition had to be. I have been inspired by his bravery and resolve. 

I've only known him as Uncle Omid. Just the sweetest, kindest, and happiest person I've ever met.  Didn't even know he was born female until I was in college. The Iranian side of my family is very loving, but not particularly progressive which is understandable growing up in Persian culture. But they all love Omid and always supported and embraced him. I feel lucky to have someone like him in my life.  

That’s so cool’s an so amazing. I’m really glad you shared.
 

 

You can also tell your friend you know an athletic trans woman who gets her ass kicked on the reg in tennis. I win too. Kinda like anyone else. We are outliers to begin with, the ones of us who need to sit on the sidelines because a legit transition hasn’t yet happened or finished are exceedingly rare, like .01% of .1%, what is that .001%.

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here is a puzzle...my bff has a nephew in his 20s that transitioned in the last 5 years or so. he is very close to the extended family, at all family gatherings, etc. my bff's octogenarian parents remain very accepting and loving (as does the entire family) which in and of itself is wonderful and amazing. the nephew is also black (technically a 'step' nephew, grandson, etc), which i'm sure makes life even more challenging for him.

the puzzle...over the holiday gatherings he was wearing a 'Let's Go Brandon' rubber wristband. 😐

has the 'LGB' been ironically co-opted by the LGB-TQ community somehow? otherwise...i don't get it. 

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6 hours ago, mchookem said:

here is a puzzle...my bff has a nephew in his 20s that transitioned in the last 5 years or so. he is very close to the extended family, at all family gatherings, etc. my bff's octogenarian parents remain very accepting and loving (as does the entire family) which in and of itself is wonderful and amazing. the nephew is also black (technically a 'step' nephew, grandson, etc), which i'm sure makes life even more challenging for him.

the puzzle...over the holiday gatherings he was wearing a 'Let's Go Brandon' rubber wristband. 😐

has the 'LGB' been ironically co-opted by the LGB-TQ community somehow? otherwise...i don't get it. 

Isn’t it possible your nephew can think Biden sucks without being the only black trans maga person? Many decent people think our government should further progressive goals and have given up on Biden for not meeting their expectations. With that in mind, It is possible your nephew will nevertheless vote “not Trump.”

Or not. The drone wars were a deal breaker for me. I voted Green in 2012.

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