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9 minutes ago, Derka said:

also, hearing that Sark is (OB•VI•OUS•LY) aware of QE’s visible regression makes thatguy’s 5,000 posts swearing that QE is as good as ever and has never made a mistake that much more hilarious.

I don't believe @Thatguy has ever said that. 

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10 minutes ago, Derka said:

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

And that explains exactly why Alabama and Saban have more titles in the last 15 years than Texas does, ever. This team, RIGHT NOW has a legitimate shot at a title. Isn’t that why you take a job at Texas, wtf are we talking about the future for when it’s already right in front of you? Sark may never have a defense this good for the rest of his career, and we’re going to waste it because we don’t want hurt feelings? 
 

Saban: “Fuck Hurts, let’s win this bitch today. Tua, you’re in!” 
 

Texas: “well we better give Case McCoy a scholarship because it will look good to the Texas HSFB coaches.” 
 

Texas: “Let’s not potentially win the title this year and give ourselves a shot. We gotta think about how good we MIGHT be in the future instead.” 
 

Unreal….

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4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't believe @Thatguy has ever said that. 

Yeah, it's obvious that Quinn is not in peak form.  I think the main disagreement is whether he is the guy to start at this point in time, especially from Sark's perspective.  Derka's post, if accurate, confirms what many of us have surmised.

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't believe @Thatguy has ever said that. 

it’s true, i have a penchant for hyperbole. still, there’s no denying that thatguy has bent over backwards to absolve QE of blame, or to even acknowledge a myriad of QE’s many obvious issues throughout this thread. he’s been an unabashed QE sunshine pumper, of this there is no doubt.

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What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

3 minutes ago, Derka said:

it’s true, i have a penchant for hyperbole. still, there’s no denying that thatguy has bent over backwards to absolve QE of blame, or to even acknowledge a myriad of QE’s many obvious issues throughout this thread. he’s been an unabashed QE sunshine pumper, of this there is no doubt.

You have bent over backwards to do the exact opposite, what is your excuse?

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Just now, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

And how many practices do they watch?

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23 minutes ago, Derka said:

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

This all makes sense and I agree with the plan and timeline. 

But we can't take these opportunities to win a NC for granted. We need more out of Quinn moving forward. Sark needs to stop overprotecting him and get this offense firing on all cylinders. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top. You can't make this shit up.

You have bent over backwards to do the exact opposite, what is your excuse?

no, i, and many many others in this thread have been fairly and objectively critical of quinn, just as we would any other player. don’t confuse the unpopularity of those takes with them being contrived or slanted. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, futureman said:

Trey Owens is the best qb on the roster.  

I know right, He's a future Mike fucking White and we have him riding the pine.  shit's crazy.

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9 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

This is BS and you know it.

if you’d like to quote something specific i’d be happy to address it. because right now i’m pretty sure you have me confused with BO&W.

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27 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

What is amazing is people think starting a RS Freshman over a RS Junior with 3 years experience who won you the first conference title in forever and a playoff birth last year is what is going to get us over the top.

I am very glad we have Coach Sarkisian, because we sports fans are absolute morons.

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1 hour ago, I Plead Da Fif said:

I feel like we’re having some revisionist history on Sam. I loved Sam. He was a great leader and a great Longhorn that bled burnt orange. His battering ram nature had the offense playing at a higher level than without it with a swagger we needed.
 

That said, comparing Sam’s and Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd year stats does not convey Sam was a more consistent passer. Quinn has greatly benefitted from having a better roster around him resulting in more wins on his down games than Sam, but I feel pretty strongly the stats don’t say Sam was a more consistent passer.

Sam 2nd and 3rd year

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Quinn’s 2nd and 3rd Year

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I think what is more frustrating to folks is we know Quinn has more talent, he just doesn’t consistently put it all together. 

I think it can be simple. I think everyone would have been happy if Sam returned for 1 more year. 

I think the fanbase would meltdown if Quinn decided to return for next year.  

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think the fanbase would meltdown if Quinn decided to return for next year.  

The Davis Law Firm would be sued for false advertising if Quinn came back to Texas for another year. 

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4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think it can be simple. I think everyone would have been happy if Sam returned for 1 more year. 

I think the fanbase would meltdown if Quinn decided to return for next year.  

Yeah it’s a little different when the guy waiting in the wings was Card/Thompson back then, but now it’s Manning. 

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4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Davis Law Firm would be sued for false advertising if Quinn came back to Texas for another year. 

which is crazy. You have people saying Quinn is the unquestioned best option to lead the team this year, despite the obvious struggles, but he is unquestionably not the guy for next year. Imagine saying that about any other position. There would parades if Barron, Banks, Bond, Cam Williams, etc annouced they were coming back. 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

which is crazy. You have people saying Quinn is the unquestioned best option to lead the team this year, despite the obvious struggles, but he is unquestionably no the guy for next year. Imagine saying that about any other position. There would parades if Barron, Banks, Bond, Cam Williams, etc annoucced they were coming back. 

There's nothing "unquestioned" man. It's all questioned. The answer is the thing. 

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15 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Criticizing Quinn’s game does not mean people are calling for Arch to start. You’re conflating the two things. That ship has sailed. Quinn is our starter if he is not injured. We just want him to play like a 3rd year starter and not someone whose skills are so limited it makes Sark have to water down his offense. 

Quinn needs to get his head out of his ass and play better because we know he can. Sark needs to have Arch ready to go as QB1 in case Quinn has another Georgia type game and Arch isn’t thrown into the fire again.

If we end up 10-2 just like a bunch of other SEC teams, we miss the SEC Championship game and there’s a chance we could be left out of the CFP altogether because our “game management” type of offensive is painful on the eyes even though our D is the best in the country. 

Derka Pos repped your post, you might rethink some of what you said LOL. I agree with most of what you say except there are quite a few that at minimum are implying Quinn should be replaced. Comments like, Sark should be giving Arch more practice reps. What exactly do you think comments like that imply?

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4 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

There's nothing "unquestioned" man. It's all questioned. The answer is the thing. 

This.  There may be a few outliers, but for the most part the people who understand why Sark is rolling with Quinn also see the shades of gray.  It's frustrating to have to keep explaining this.  If you have to misrepresent the perspective of someone you're debating, you're probably losing that debate.

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

First thing this is some made up BS.

I have a source that is extremely plugged in. I sit down and talk to this source IN PERSON a couple times a week and he shares stuff he cannot talk about on air with me. In fact, we were sitting at a game together when Sark called and he had to duck out and take it. People in here that know me in person and know where I live will know who it is I am talking about. I have promised to not ever share what I know is going on behind the scenes in detail so I will just sum it up like this.

It's not that complicated. Arch is good but is behind Quinn on diagnosing the field and that's why he isn't starting. He is impatient, wants to take the big shot, and regularly misses the easy underneath throw for the guy in double coverage. Both these guys have holes in their game and Sark went with the guy he thought he had the best chance to win with. Sark is very good at talent evaluation and that's why we don't see wild misses with him. Everyone under Sark who wasn't starting showed exactly why they weren't starting when they got some playing time. And that's the full answer. Not wild conspiracy theories.

Jake Paul v Andre August

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3 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

We got ourselves a source-off

My mama and your mama was talking little shit
My mama called your mama a bulldagging ass bitch
I know your sister, and the bitch ain't shit
She slayed me and all the boys
And even sucked our dicks

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i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:
benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.
first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.
so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

I get that, but Arch would benefit from being the starter this entire season as opposed to becoming the starter next year, while breaking in 3 new OL starters, a new TE, and 2 new WR. Not to mention the defensive loses.
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Has anyone seen good film breakdown of why Jaxson Dart was able to put up 515 yards and 6 TDs on Arkansas a week prior to our game but we couldn't? What were they doing differently than us to put up 63 points? Figure some 9.95er has done a breakdown

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8 minutes ago, GTNY said:

Has anyone seen good film breakdown of why Jaxson Dart was able to put up 515 yards and 6 TDs on Arkansas a week prior to our game but we couldn't? What were they doing differently than us to put up 63 points? Figure some 9.95er has done a breakdown

4 and 5 wide prevents you from disguising much. Plus how many teams go that deep on good DBs? Arkansas not having legit pass rushers doesn't help either. We were out there in 12 personnel playing right into their hands.

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

4 and 5 wide prevents you from disguising much. Plus how many teams go that deep on good DBs? Arkansas not having legit pass rushers doesn't help either. We were out there in 12 personnel playing right into their hands.

12 personnel would have worked fine if our TEs could run block consistently. Arkansas ignored that threat and our TEs didn't execute blocks. And then Quinn didn't hit the plays that were there. 

35 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

First thing this is some made up BS.

I have a source that is extremely plugged in. I sit down and talk to this source IN PERSON a couple times a week and he shares stuff he cannot talk about on air with me. In fact, we were sitting at a game together when Sark called and he had to duck out and take it. People in here that know me in person and know where I live will know who it is I am talking about. I have promised to not ever share what I know is going on behind the scenes in detail so I will just sum it up like this.

It's not that complicated. Arch is good but is behind Quinn on diagnosing the field and that's why he isn't starting. He is impatient, wants to take the big shot, and regularly misses the easy underneath throw for the guy in double coverage. Both these guys have holes in their game and Sark went with the guy he thought he had the best chance to win with. Sark is very good at talent evaluation and that's why we don't see wild misses with him. Everyone under Sark who wasn't starting showed exactly why they weren't starting when they got some playing time. And that's the full answer. Not wild conspiracy theories.

Whether your source is legit or not, the bolded is clearly true from the games he has played in so far. 

Ultimately, for me, it comes down to this: we would be golden if either Quinn were to get his head (and feet) right or if Arch were to come in and start taking and executing the play that is there rather than just wait for the big shot. Who you play depends on which one you think is more likely to happen this season. We've already seen good Quinn before his injury (footwork as a lot better), so going with the former makes some amount of sense. 

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26 minutes ago, GTNY said:

Has anyone seen good film breakdown of why Jaxson Dart was able to put up 515 yards and 6 TDs on Arkansas a week prior to our game but we couldn't? What were they doing differently than us to put up 63 points? Figure some 9.95er has done a breakdown

Pittman was preparing for Texas.  He beats Texas he saves his job.  No one gives a shit what happens against Ole Miss.

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

i talked to someone yesterday who i trust who basically said that Sark is obviously aware of how much QE has regressed, but that Sark is really really big on thinking long term, so its as simple as this:

benching quinn ewers at any point this season would totally poison the well barring a national title run, and even then certain bridges would be burned.

first of all, Sark and the manning family have been working on a plan for Arch for years, and that plan has never involved Arch being the starter as a redshirt freshman. so not only would you be effectively ending QE’s college career (at Texas at least) which would not go over well with the locker room, you’d also be screwing up your future plans for Arch, and burning bridges on that front as well. and of course then if Arch doesn’t perform or gets hurt, now you’re really fucked, not just for this season, but in your locker room, in the transfer portal, and going forward as well.

so, Sark is going to stick with Quinn, go as far as he can go with him, hope to make a deep playoff run (they obviously still believe they can win the whole thing, the view from inside that locker room is obviously wildly more optimistic than the one from our keyboards and couches), and let the chips fall where they may for the 2024 season. after that, we kill it in the portal again, Arch takes over as a really mature and developed redshirt sophomore, and Texas Football remains in a place to be crushing it yearly with recruits and competing for titles on a regular basis. it all makes sense, and it’s an example of why Sark is the HC at UT, and we are a bunch of keyboard warriors.

So then why throw Arch out there against Georgia? Sark can say he did that just to settle down Quinn as much as he wants, but at the end of the day he had to realize that if Arch goes in there, lights it up, and leads us to a win, there’s no turning back. It’d have been Arch’s team plain and simple. You don’t make that move if you’re dead set on rolling with Ewers the rest of the season 100% like you say.

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12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

12 personnel would have worked fine if our TEs could run block consistently. Arkansas ignored that threat and our TEs didn't execute blocks. And then Quinn didn't hit the plays that were there. 

Whether your source is legit or not, the bolded is clearly true from the games he has played in so far. 

Ultimately, for me, it comes down to this: we would be golden if either Quinn were to get his head (and feet) right or if Arch were to come in and start taking and executing the play that is there rather than just wait for the big shot. Who you play depends on which one you think is more likely to happen this season. We've already seen good Quinn before his injury (footwork as a lot better), so going with the former makes some amount of sense. 

I am not sure how impatient Arch is. I totally understand the thought process. I didnt see that vs MSU. I actually saw decent improvement from ULM. He did do the bomds away thing vs Florida, but I am not sure if that is more about "i have 3-4 opportunities, so screw it" or if it is reflective of his normal game

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25 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

12 personnel would have worked fine if our TEs could run block consistently. Arkansas ignored that threat and our TEs didn't execute blocks. And then Quinn didn't hit the plays that were there. 

Whether your source is legit or not, the bolded is clearly true from the games he has played in so far. 

Ultimately, for me, it comes down to this: we would be golden if either Quinn were to get his head (and feet) right or if Arch were to come in and start taking and executing the play that is there rather than just wait for the big shot. Who you play depends on which one you think is more likely to happen this season. We've already seen good Quinn before his injury (footwork as a lot better), so going with the former makes some amount of sense. 

Absolutely agree, which is why I was in favor of giving Quinn as much rope as we possibly could. Even in the games Arch started you could tell he would hit a wall...force throws, especially deep, that he shouldn't.  He can make those throws, but you can't survive an entire games against good teams do that.

It wasn't until Quinn was benched at Georgia that I thought they'd stick with him...once they didn't, I knew Sark was going to stick with Quinn till the wheels fall off.

He obviously doesn't think he's ready to take the reins fully.

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2 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Here’s where I get confused.  It seems we have different definitions of talent.  I generally think “physical” traits as others use the term talent.  Yes, Ewers has a stronger, more lively arm than Sam.  Hell, he may even be faster than Sam.  In college, you just need QBs to make plays however they come.  Interestingly enough, Ewers has a livelier, stronger arm than Vince Young.  Anyone here going to call him more talented?  Sam has more attributes closer to Young than Ewers does to Young.

Traditional passing stats are good, but they’re very limited relative to what you have today.  If you wish to compare completion percentage, that’s fairly useless.  For example Ewers has thrown 32% and 27% of his passes behind the LOS the past two years.  Sam never threw more than 20% (be mindful Sark is more a screen guy than Herman).  In their careers those completion %s in that range are from 91-95%.  Quick math on the 32% gives you around 10% higher completion percentage in total before you even get to the other depths.

Even if we talk win percentage, is it not equal or higher in non-Quinn starts  than Quinn starts the past 3 years?

All of the discussion requires context.  The simple answer based on numbers is simply that.  The simple answer.

 

I agree all conversations around this require context. We’re not comparing apples to apples here, but the best we can do is compare empirical evidence, because everything else is objective. You could argue we’d be better off this year with 2019 Roschon Johnson at RB instead of one of Jaydon Blue or Quintrevion Wisner. Team is missing a reliable between the tackles runner.

To be honest I don’t really care about depth of targets for comparing this. That data will be included and factored into a QBR rating, and if you look at QBR, you see fluctuations in both. From a purely statistical analysis standpoint, QE hasn’t been kept out of the end zone passing at all the past 2 years. He’s had 2 games where he threw 2 or more INTs. You could argue QE’s turnovers cost us UGA this year and OU last year and that’s it.

From a talent standpoint, I think of potential. Potential is what it is, based off of flashes of brilliance that make us think that player could make plays at that level more consistently, of which QE has yet to accomplish. But he has shown flashes of absolute brilliance, where if he was no worse than 90% of who he was at Michigan all year, he’d be in the Heisman conversation all year and we’d not be spending this time hand wringing and debating. To me this is why QE will still get drafted this year if he goes, just not as high as he would like, but probably higher than we would think.

 

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

4 and 5 wide prevents you from disguising much. Plus how many teams go that deep on good DBs? Arkansas not having legit pass rushers doesn't help either. We were out there in 12 personnel playing right into their hands.

Yeah, Sark not adjusting better to that shit arky threw out there on defense really sucked.  Guess having DeAndre getting injured early in that game was part of the problem.  

 

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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am not sure how impatient Arch is. I totally understand the thought process. I didnt see that vs MSU. I actually saw decent improvement from ULM. He did do the bomds away thing vs Florida, but I am not sure if that is more about "i have 3-4 opportunities, so screw it" or if it is reflective of his normal game

It's been enjoyable to see your progression through this thread lol. You started middle of the road and now you're pretty squarely on the arch train. I think first quarter of kentucky if Quinn self sacks even once or panics then throws a 8 yard loss on a screen pass he should clearly throw away then Sark should trot arch out and never look back. 

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8 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

So then why throw Arch out there against Georgia? Sark can say he did that just to settle down Quinn as much as he wants, but at the end of the day he had to realize that if Arch goes in there, lights it up, and leads us to a win, there’s no turning back. It’d have been Arch’s team plain and simple. You don’t make that move if you’re dead set on rolling with Ewers the rest of the season 100% like you say.

Throwing Arch in the Georgia game was a minimal risk move by Sark. It shuts up the people saying to put Arch in. If Arch lights it up against Georgia, it’s Manning time at Texas. If Arch stinks it up, Sark covers his ass by saying it wasn’t just Quinn. Sark would have gotten way more shit if he didn’t put Arch in the game because it was that bad. 

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12 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am not sure how impatient Arch is. I totally understand the thought process. I didnt see that vs MSU. I actually saw decent improvement from ULM. He did do the bomds away thing vs Florida, but I am not sure if that is more about "i have 3-4 opportunities, so screw it" or if it is reflective of his normal game

I agree he played better against MSU. The fumbles killed us there. But he still wasn't executing the short game very well (e.g., see the 4th down play). 

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1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

It's been enjoyable to see your progression through this thread lol. You started middle of the road and now you're pretty squarely on the arch train. I think first quarter of kentucky if Quinn self sacks even once or panics then throws a 8 yard loss on a screen pass he should clearly throw away then Sark should trot arch out and never look back. 

Earlier in this thread I said the first half of Vanderbilt may be the most important half of football for Quinn's career. I am not quiet there for the Kentucky game, but I am close. If Quinn looks like he did in the first half of the Arkansas game, I do not know how you keep sending him out there. 

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