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Arch tanked his own pre-season betting odds on winning the Heisman so you can all get in with a better payout.

So thank him when he flies to New York in December.

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12 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:


per Klatt Arch is playing ahead of the offense   Going too fast   Rushing   Needs to slow down

16 minute mark Arch talk

Shorter version on Twitter.    Timing off, rushing and overstriding. 

Sure seems like PTSD -- Arch sure hasn't been himself since getting hit (maybe concussion) against Georgia in 2024 SEC Championship game.

Weird idea,  but maybe go shoot some free throws to slow your thoughts down -- motor memory seems way off.  Definitely more VR sessions if Texas has the technology to give Arch more reps.   I also like the idea of only having a couple progressions on plays, then either throw the ball away or tuck it and run.

Sure hope Arch might just need some live action game success to snap back to the good form he had in 2024.  

 

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

I also like the idea of only having a couple progressions on plays, then either throw the ball away or tuck it and run.

What Klatt is saying makes the most sense of anything I have heard so far. To get his confidence back, he should be encouraged to take advantage of wide open off-schedule running opportunities. Multiple times, he has ignored wide open running lanes to try to complete a throw. Screw that. Tuck it & go.  Get the crowd and the team pumped up. 

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On 9/17/2025 at 4:13 AM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

You make a good point. I'll tell you another thing Sark does. We get 4th and three or five at midfield and Sark insists on going for it. Note to coach, you've got the best D in the country, do what just about every other team in America does and punt it, pin the other team inside their ten and your offense gets it back around midfield - as opposed to turning the ball over at mid-field, stopping them and getting it back inside your own ten. That's a tried and true strategy. He's got an offense firing on three cylinders and he's asking them to drive the ball eighty yards for a TD.

You're assuming that from the opponent's 40-45 we actually punt and pin them at the 10 most of these times instead of giving up a touchback. So for a 50/50 of continuing a scoring drive and advancing into scoring position you have a decent chance of putting them back...15-20 yards?

Going for it is the right call. This isn't 1980

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Texas still plays a bend but don’t break defense with one of the best defenses in the country. They currently suck on offense. Putting and making the other team drive the ball as far as possible to get points is the right call, regardless of what analytics says.

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51 minutes ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

You're assuming that from the opponent's 40-45 we actually punt and pin them at the 10 most of these times instead of giving up a touchback. So for a 50/50 of continuing a scoring drive and advancing into scoring position you have a decent chance of putting them back...15-20 yards?

Going for it is the right call. This isn't 1980

I am normally in the Go for it camp, but this is a different situation. Offense is 28% on 3rd downs and 41% on 4th downs, so they have been bad in critical situations.  Punter has been good. The defense has been excellent. You have to factor these things in. That and punt into the endzone comes out to the 20, so it is 20-25 yards. Give up the ball on the 40-45 yard line and you are 1 decent offensive play away from giving up pts. The defense gives up at least 10 yards on a drive 58% of the time this year. Even if the defense forces a 3 and out, you are flipping the field position game. Giving the ball to an offense that has 15% busted drive rate (0 or less yards) inside the 20. The situational book is calculated based on average offenses, that is not pertinent to Texas. If the offense improved, I would leave the dark side and jump back on the "go for it" train. I just do not see it right now.

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Holy shit there is that weird throwing motion on crossing routes that we all have been bitching about and he is under no pressure. Every tape I ever bought my son on QB mechanics said your toe had to be in the direction you planned to throw and you had to step into the throw. His feet are wide open and the throw is all arm without any need.

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He is actually falling back, instead of stepping into the throw and these guys thought this would be good tape to advertise with?

 

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At the end the ball is right on the receiver instead of leading the receiver.

 

They teach the falling back throw with feet wide open, maybe it was not AJ Milwee as I suspected.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nope said:

This is the kind of stuff Arch thinks he can pull off

 

Yes but Stafford is moving forward and not falling back. I guess now that we have seen this throwing motion being part of what he was shown to do we can see if it is showing up in games and what is the result.

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What the fuck is that fall away drill.  It makes so much sense now watching him the last few weeks.  He is doing that a lot and it may work in one on ones but in game situations, it's a terrible way to throw.

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11 minutes ago, Nope said:

This is the kind of stuff Arch thinks he can pull off

 

I had a coach who used to say that you need to master the fundamentals, so you know when you can break them. I feel like this is lost with a lot of younger QBs. They are working on all these screwed up arm angles and off platform throws and forgetting about how to make consistently accurate fundamental throws. 

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16 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I had a coach who used to say that you need to master the fundamentals, so you know when you can break them. I feel like this is lost with a lot of younger QBs. They are working on all these screwed up arm angles and off platform throws and forgetting about how to make consistently accurate fundamental throws. 

Patrick Mahomes Syndrome

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2 hours ago, Josef Pwag said:

What Klatt is saying makes the most sense of anything I have heard so far. To get his confidence back, he should be encouraged to take advantage of wide open off-schedule running opportunities. Multiple times, he has ignored wide open running lanes to try to complete a throw. Screw that. Tuck it & go.  Get the crowd and the team pumped up. 

Right or wrong, Sark really discourages this. I just don't see it happening. 

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6 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Right or wrong, Sark really discourages this. I just don't see it happening. 

That reminds me Sark said he does not want to play "athlete football" in his presser. That was a WTF moment for me. Texas has better athletes than 75-80% of their opponents, why the hell would you not want to press that advantage

 
 
 
 
 
 
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3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That reminds me Sark said he does not want to play "athlete football" in his presser. I was like "wtf, you out-athlete 75% of the schedule" 

Sark wants to prove how much smarter he is than errbody.  It's the execution, not his play-calling.

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9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

That reminds me Sark said he does not want to play "athlete football" in his presser. That was a WTF moment for me. Texas has better athletes than 75-80% of their opponents, why the hell would you not want to press that advantage

 
 
 
 
 

I didn't see the question or context, but it makes sense to me if he is saying just because we can out athlete UTEP or Sam Houston, doesn't mean we should and ignore execution.  What happens when you play a team with equivalent athletes?  A team with equivalent athletes that can also execute...sounds a lot like Washington with Penix, Georgia, and Ohio State.

 

Isn't the biggest knock on Sark that he can recruit and develop, but in the big games we seem to be a couple plays behind.

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4 minutes ago, Yesh said:

I didn't see the question or context, but it makes sense to me if he is saying just because we can out athlete UTEP or Sam Houston, doesn't mean we should and ignore execution.  What happens when you play a team with equivalent athletes?  A team with equivalent athletes that can also execute...sounds a lot like Washington with Penix, Georgia, and Ohio State.

 

Isn't the biggest knock on Sark that he can recruit and develop, but in the big games we seem to be a couple plays behind.

Perhaps we’re behind because we’re trying to execute and not just play football? Letting your athletes be athletes doesn’t mean they aren’t executing. Playing robotic makes you play slow and I feel our offense is trying to execute more than play. 

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11 minutes ago, Yesh said:

I didn't see the question or context, but it makes sense to me if he is saying just because we can out athlete UTEP or Sam Houston, doesn't mean we should and ignore execution.  What happens when you play a team with equivalent athletes?  A team with equivalent athletes that can also execute...sounds a lot like Washington with Penix, Georgia, and Ohio State.

 

Isn't the biggest knock on Sark that he can recruit and develop, but in the big games we seem to be a couple plays behind.

It was in reference to Arch using his legs on improvised scrambles and that can get you outside of the scheme. It gave me the impression that Sark is a stickler to scheme. Just my opinion, but right now the offense just needs success anyway they can find it. They look broken right now. IMO restoring confidence is paramount at this time. Little success could get them to loosen up and perhaps not look like they are attending a wake. Scheme is useless if your players have 0 belief. 

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1 hour ago, DanTheHorn said:

Holy shit there is that weird throwing motion on crossing routes that we all have been bitching about and he is under no pressure. Every tape I ever bought my son on QB mechanics said your toe had to be in the direction you planned to throw and you had to step into the throw. His feet are wide open and the throw is all arm without any need.

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He is actually falling back, instead of stepping into the throw and these guys thought this would be good tape to advertise with?

 

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At the end the ball is right on the receiver instead of leading the receiver.

 

They teach the falling back throw with feet wide open, maybe it was not AJ Milwee as I suspected.

 

 

WOW...  That training is a real shitshow  😬

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On 9/16/2025 at 3:11 PM, Gucci_Suit said:

I’m sure that this has been mentioned before. 

But Sark is fucking up the offense in general by going for 4th and 6 bullshit. If you kick the ball go up 10-0 and reset; the end result is likely 17-0 and it’s on. But you over engineer it and frustrate the entire team and then tell them that they are trying to do too much. Because you put them in that situation. 

Take points. Don’t ever go for 4th unless you’re about to lose or you’ve been pushing people around and you’re about to destroy their will. That’s not what we are doing.

Choir, hear my sermon. 

Do we have any engineers on this platform to confirm this m, or is it just a bunch of non-workijg Lawyers? 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

That reminds me Sark said he does not want to play "athlete football" in his presser. That was a WTF moment for me. Texas has better athletes than 75-80% of their opponents, why the hell would you not want to press that advantage

 
 
 
 
 

That's pretty much what I said yesterday responding to you. Sarks stubbornness will get Texas beat again at least once, maybe more.

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On 9/16/2025 at 4:46 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Anwar just said he doesn’t think Sark can bench Arch without putting his own job in jeopardy. I vehemently disagree. Sark’s job is to play the best players to win games. If that’s not Arch, so be it. 

Anwar tickles children and wears underwear with dick holes in the back as his fetish. He's a a dumb fuck. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

It was in reference to Arch using his legs on improvised scrambles and that can get you outside of the scheme. It gave me the impression that Sark is a stickler to scheme. Just my opinion, but right now the offense just needs success anyway they can find it. They look broken right now. IMO restoring confidence is paramount at this time. Little success could get them to loosen up and perhaps not look like they are attending a wake. Scheme is useless if your players have 0 belief. 

There is a difference between a play being covered or the receiver falling down and then scrambling to make the best of it, versus not giving the play a chance to develop and just running.  Anybody should be fine with the first, and generally not okay with the second.  If Arch is doing the second, that is on Sark to adjust the offense to something he can execute.

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20 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

That's pretty much what I said yesterday responding to you. Sarks stubbornness will get Texas beat again at least once, maybe more.

Sark’s stubbornness and aggression on 4th down is giving me flashbacks to Herman and his binder. 

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2 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

Holy shit there is that weird throwing motion on crossing routes that we all have been bitching about and he is under no pressure. Every tape I ever bought my son on QB mechanics said your toe had to be in the direction you planned to throw and you had to step into the throw. His feet are wide open and the throw is all arm without any need.

image.png.5ecf83510babeed77aeb9bcad5421b26.png

 

He is actually falling back, instead of stepping into the throw and these guys thought this would be good tape to advertise with?

 

image.png.abf65734fb1e299f7ed969d9ff6c51ef.png

 

At the end the ball is right on the receiver instead of leading the receiver.

 

They teach the falling back throw with feet wide open, maybe it was not AJ Milwee as I suspected.

 

 

Yeah, pretty clear watching these videos where the strange mechanics are coming from. I don't know enough to know if this is good training or bad. But at the very least, it appears to have been something akin to trying rework a swing right before the start of the season. If you're going to do this, you do it at the beginning of an off season, not at the end of it. No wonder Arch is out of whack. 

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1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

WOW...  That training is a real shitshow  😬

I think I actually found the guy who has been fucking up Arch's mechanics. The similarities are damning:

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45 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Anwar tickles children and wears underwear with dick holes in the back as his fetish. He's a a dumb fuck. 

Specific GIF by Harlem

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5 hours ago, TheFlyingBoat said:

You're assuming that from the opponent's 40-45 we actually punt and pin them at the 10 most of these times instead of giving up a touchback. So for a 50/50 of continuing a scoring drive and advancing into scoring position you have a decent chance of putting them back...15-20 yards?

Going for it is the right call. This isn't 1980

The 40 probably. Go for it if it's short yardage, but Sark is doing it at midfield and I think even our own 45 or so. As far as kicking the ball in the end zone... say from the 50 or their 45 yard line... any decent punter should be good enough, and the team should be practiced enough to kick a high punt that someone (us or them) fields inside the fifteen, hopefully at the ten or five yard line. No return.

(And that close in, the punter should be able to angle it OOB.) They may fair catch a high punt at their fifteen, but more likely the ten, and if the coverage team is good enough, you get 'em back at the five or the two once or twice per game. That's money in the bank for our D. And the kind of rush we can put on punters... how about a safety or ST TD (to be distinguished from an STD) every game or two? 

That's as "all gas" as throwing a three yard pass and hoping the ball isn't dropped, or tipped or intercepted by a defender expecting a quick throw. Punt the motherfucker.

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1 hour ago, Ricky Butler said:

Kinda pissed the Manning family didn’t commission Dan the Horn for advice before picking a QB coach. Could have saved them a lot of time. 

 Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt.

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In the big games, Sark has been all ass (calls) and no fake. Not seeing nearly enough deception out there.

And how about more pitchouts, sweeps, swings, maybe even a real screen pass. An FB blocking at the point of attack would be nice, or a fake to the RB and the FB stays in to protect the QB. Blitzes become a liability.

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1 minute ago, DanTheHorn said:

 Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt.

Haha. I’m just messing with you. Let’s watch an NBA and I’ll pick apart millionaires shooting motion. 

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Thought I would share this. Good for David Ash.  Many of y’all were very big defenders of Ash back in the day. He normally doesn’t post much. Good for him for speaking up. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Thought I would share this. Good for David Ash.  Many of y’all were very big defenders of Ash back in the day. He normally doesn’t post much. Good for him for speaking up. 
 

 

Ash didn't need defenders. He was very good when healthy. He needed to not get concussions. 

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6 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Thought I would share this. Good for David Ash.  Many of y’all were very big defenders of Ash back in the day. He normally doesn’t post much. Good for him for speaking up. 
 

 

Et Tu, Ash? with the use of TUDDY

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I have a suspicion that his uncles are very busy with their own stuff and don’t watch him play a lot or coach him up much at all. So we don’t in fact have a QB with an inside mental edge or savant mentors, just another QB with great athletic genes. Doesn’t mean we can’t win a lot with him.

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On 9/16/2025 at 9:13 PM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

You make a good point. I'll tell you another thing Sark does. We get 4th and three or five at midfield and Sark insists on going for it. Note to coach, you've got the best D in the country, do what just about every other team in America does and punt it, pin the other team inside their ten and your offense gets it back around midfield - as opposed to turning the ball over at mid-field, stopping them and getting it back inside your own ten. That's a tried and true strategy. He's got an offense firing on three cylinders and he's asking them to drive the ball eighty yards for a TD.

This is called 'Complementary Football'. 

I used to bitch about it when our offense would come off the field quickly (3 and outs then quick TDs) and put the defense in a bad spot by not sustaining a drive to give the D time to rest and communicate an adjustment. 

But now it's just dumb. Punt the ball or kick the FG. Stop being an Offensive genius and be a smart Head Coach with a really good to great DC, Front 7, and experienced DB Guru. 

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