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6 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

You have to be selected for CAP, and then a 3.2 gpa at the school you pick (from the list they allow you to pick from) gets you into most of the College of Liberal Arts.  Engineering/business/natural science are longer shots.

@mdmost do NOT rule out your daughter's ability to land a CAP spot.  My son's grades and scores were a long way from impressive, and yet here we are, about 25 credit hours from a degree in Pscyh from UT-Austin.  The essay apparently matters, a lot, along with recommendations.

I would add don’t sleep on work/intern experience in the area of their major.  At least five years ago, that was a big deal.  Someone who would know gave me that advice.  I had a business acquaintance in their chosen field who was kind enough to let them spend a few weeks working at his business during the summer for no pay. 
I was at a party and happened to meet the dean of the school they were wanting to admit to.  Of course I took the opportunity to mention my kids and they offered to meet with them and have them meet with a professor.  It never hurts for people to see how much they want to get in. They even attended a class which also inspired them when it came time to write essays and resumes.  My impression was that the colleges will do those meetings for anyone who asks.  Even if it played no part in the decision, it did help my kids to focus in on what major they wanted within the college and focus their extra curricular time on meaningful activities. 
My kids went to a large competitive high school and did ok but definitely not better than top 20%. If you understand how UT does the holistic review you know how you can make up some ground in these other areas. 
Good luck to all. 

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10 hours ago, Texas Jeff said:

Longhorn Band chances depend on what instrument he plays.  Some instruments take almost all the folks that show up for the band week before school, some make significant cuts.  It is based on space available in the section and how many people try out.

If he does not make LHB in year one, there are other options like Pep Band (which is the basketball/volleyball/whatever else band), along with other wind ensembles and orchestras.  If that does happen, please encourage him to try something just to stay in a musical group and maybe try out again in a future year.

College band is a great experience, and it is very different than being in a Texas high school marching band.  Very social.  Not competitive.  No band parents required, the kids and directors do all of the work.

He plays trumpet. He will keep at it, in fact depending on whether UTSA will let CAP students (if he gets it and can make it to UTSA) in their marching band then he’s def doing that.

he’s considering a double major already, I’ll push the music major across to him as well.  He made first of four bands in his high school as a sophomore but he’s not in the top of the first band even as a senior mostly because he’s a well rounded kid and half the band year he’s got white gloves on and his trumpet is collecting dust.

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His other schools he’s looking at all have marching bands too except one - CU, Oregon, Washington, Cal, UCLA, UCSB. He’s dropping Michigan and Georgia. We wanted to add Arky but I can’t. He didn’t want to add Tenn. Fla never caught his interest. no interest in the east coast at all. UTSA is his absolute fail safe. He’s mindful of cost and probably won’t go to a CA school, and is thinking CU and Oregon are likely. 

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I got a kid who just graduated UT Nursing (all 4 years) and then one of my twins is headed to UTSA this fall on CAP with designs on either Economics or McCombs if he can pull off that trick. He had plenty of other options but he was pretty much ride or die with Texas (his nickname on his HS baseball team was Bevo)  We live in DFW and seems like a lot of CAP kids up here try to land UTA but he was deadset on being closer to the mothership  

Two things for those of you talking about UTSA for CAP that I can share so far:

1  It may not quite be a “buying Taylor Swift tickets when they come out” situation but it isn’t far off. CAP spots at UTSA are very limited and were gone in a matter of a couple minutes when the CAP agreement opened this spring.  This past spring that was 6pm on a Friday night in early March so you need to be prepared for that going in. 
 

2. On the 30 hours. Unlike most of the other CAP schools UTSA requires you to take it in this order. 6 hours summer, 9 hours fall, 15 hours spring.  Summer is online (my son actually started college the last 4-5 days we were in Italy) so not like your kid has to be in SA but again something to factor in. Also consider a fall load of 9 hours isn’t exactly “busy” so talk with your kiddo about how to manage and make best use of time. 
 



 

 

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Interesting on the 6, 9, 15 plan at UTSA.  Esp. the 9, which is not officially a full-time student.

Will they allow for 12?  Perhaps it is different today, but 20+ years ago the difference between full-time and part-time student was meaningful for scholarships, family benefits, tax deductions, etc.  Perhaps that no longer applies...

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15 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

I got a kid who just graduated UT Nursing (all 4 years) and then one of my twins is headed to UTSA this fall on CAP with designs on either Economics or McCombs if he can pull off that trick. He had plenty of other options but he was pretty much ride or die with Texas (his nickname on his HS baseball team was Bevo)  We live in DFW and seems like a lot of CAP kids up here try to land UTA but he was deadset on being closer to the mothership  

Two things for those of you talking about UTSA for CAP that I can share so far:

1  It may not quite be a “buying Taylor Swift tickets when they come out” situation but it isn’t far off. CAP spots at UTSA are very limited and were gone in a matter of a couple minutes when the CAP agreement opened this spring.  This past spring that was 6pm on a Friday night in early March so you need to be prepared for that going in. 
 

2. On the 30 hours. Unlike most of the other CAP schools UTSA requires you to take it in this order. 6 hours summer, 9 hours fall, 15 hours spring.  Summer is online (my son actually started college the last 4-5 days we were in Italy) so not like your kid has to be in SA but again something to factor in. Also consider a fall load of 9 hours isn’t exactly “busy” so talk with your kiddo about how to manage and make best use of time. 
 



 

 

ChatGPT told us about how hard the timing is on UTSA. Didn’t know about the course load cadence but we have looked at the course selection and we can make it work even with 27 hours of credit coming out of HS.

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My son has a number of hours between AP credit and Dual Credit classes he took in HS that he is trying to make work.  He may lose the opportunity to use some of them here or there, but the expense of those was fairly negligible to us in the grand scheme of things.  Whatever works when all is said and done will work and be gravy.  He's going to roll into UT with 30 hours on the books because CAP makes you do that, so at the very least, he will be "on schedule".

Regarding the 9-hour fall requirement, I believe you can take up to 12 (you still have to complete 15 in the spring and 6 in the summer). However, in our situation, due to the aforementioned credits, he does not need to cram in more UTSA work when it is probably not necessary.  

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7 minutes ago, troph said:

ChatGPT told us about how hard the timing is on UTSA.

LOL yea my wife pulled that off for him.  He was at a pre-district baseball game across the metroplex, and I was down in Austin for the last dad's weekend with my graduating daughter's sorority.  She had the wifi triple-checked, multiple laptops open, the whole bit...

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6 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

LOL yea my wife pulled that off for him.  He was at a pre-district baseball game across the metroplex, and I was down in Austin for the last dad's weekend with my graduating daughter's sorority.  She had the wifi triple-checked, multiple laptops open, the whole bit...

We will have an army on that one. Once had to have and I mean HAD TO HAVE reservations to The French Laundry in a specific 3 day window and we had 4 people dialing landlines and cells simultaneously. We got it, actually I got it.

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

I got a kid who just graduated UT Nursing (all 4 years) and then one of my twins is headed to UTSA this fall on CAP with designs on either Economics or McCombs if he can pull off that trick. He had plenty of other options but he was pretty much ride or die with Texas (his nickname on his HS baseball team was Bevo)  We live in DFW and seems like a lot of CAP kids up here try to land UTA but he was deadset on being closer to the mothership  

Two things for those of you talking about UTSA for CAP that I can share so far:

1  It may not quite be a “buying Taylor Swift tickets when they come out” situation but it isn’t far off. CAP spots at UTSA are very limited and were gone in a matter of a couple minutes when the CAP agreement opened this spring.  This past spring that was 6pm on a Friday night in early March so you need to be prepared for that going in. 
 

2. On the 30 hours. Unlike most of the other CAP schools UTSA requires you to take it in this order. 6 hours summer, 9 hours fall, 15 hours spring.  Summer is online (my son actually started college the last 4-5 days we were in Italy) so not like your kid has to be in SA but again something to factor in. Also consider a fall load of 9 hours isn’t exactly “busy” so talk with your kiddo about how to manage and make best use of time. 
 



 

 

So as someone who got his daughter Taylor Swift tickets and is pretty decent at getting Disneyland dining options at the crack of dawn, I could have a chance?

Is it you are offered CAP and then the campus selection is right then or is it later after you accept the offer?

We went on a drive out to Tyler to look at azaleas and just did a drive around UT-Tyler just to see if that's the fallback option if she was offered CAP. Very small but if you're only doing a year, not terrible. I don't think UTA would be a dealbreaker for mine since we live in Dallas. UTSA would be the most ideal but I get why that's the hardest to pull off. 

She has a good number of AP credits right now so I guess we'd have to navigate how not to lose those. It's interesting with the summer work. She's taking some online classes with Dallas College right now. I was admitted into UT in the summer of 94 as a provisional student. I was a dumbass who slacked off when I could've just worked a little bit harder to get automatic acceptance back then. Decent grades but just below the cutoff for automatic. I also didn't take the SAT seriously. I had to take a full load in the summer of 94 and didn't manage the GPA that was required to be fully admitted. I then had to decide if I was going to slink back home in shame to attend community college in Dallas or try to get back into UT at ACC. I chose the latter and I'm glad I did but I'm happy they don't offer that program any longer. I definitely missed out on making friends and the freshman experience so I am cautious to have her go through that. As I said upthread, she's had something similar her freshman year of high school so that also plays into whether she would want to do CAP if offered. She's not as gung ho about Texas as your kid. She's been there with her UT On Ramps English class but it wasn't a full tour. I may drive her down and we do the full thing in the Fall. I can show her all the places her mom and I went, the dorm her mom stayed in, the new development that was once my old apartment on Nueces. 

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I was a complete fuck up and did the ACC for 24 credits over 2 years and got the transfer back when it was automatic with a 3.5 and 24 hours. I love the back door. 

but then I put it into gear and finished with a 3.82 and then 13th in my law school class. Fuck you Ms Helm (8th grade math teacher) and Prof whatever your name was for contracts (high A both semesters). 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

So as someone who got his daughter Taylor Swift tickets and is pretty decent at getting Disneyland dining options at the crack of dawn, I could have a chance?

Is it you are offered CAP and then the campus selection is right then or is it later after you accept the offer?

Yeah, you're probably good.

You get UT acceptance/CAP/PACE/decline in late January to mid February, depending on how on top of their shit they are (they got 90K apps this year, so they fell a bit behind and had to send out the "give us another few weeks notice" in late January). You accept CAP agreement and pref campus in early March, so the two events are disconnected.  

A few other interesting things about CAP.  One, only around a third of the students who take CAP end up at Texas.  I have done some digging around on why that is. Of course, some of it is that they don't hack it, but the majority of it is that the kid in question ends up at whatever campus they end up at, decides they like it there, whatever they are pursuing, etc, and decides to stay....which has been the UT System's goal all along.   That won't be my kid, but it sounds like it ends up being a lot of them.  The second is that I have heard a lot of rumors that CAP is about to be wound down and retired in the near future.  Nothing concrete but that's out there on the breeze.

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4 hours ago, mdmost said:

Is it you are offered CAP and then the campus selection is right then or is it later after you accept the offer?

There is a delay but I can't remember how long it is.  Seemed like at least a week, maybe multiple weeks.  That said, there is a definite "portal opening" time and if you want UTSA you had better be quick on the trigger finger.  I got my daughter in, my son didn't have the option, so he did Tyler, which wasn't as competitive.

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7 hours ago, troph said:

He’s mindful of cost and probably won’t go to a CA school, and is thinking CU and Oregon are likely. 

I’ve said it before, but Colorado doesn’t give shit for merit aid unless your kid finds a cure for cancer.

Oregon threw some generous money at my daughter which made nonresident tuition much more bearable. And she thrived her first year in Eugene. I don’t mind one bit of Kid No. 2 wants to go there. And he’s also in marching band and might want to continue in college.

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Oregon is on our list. I just don't know when we can get up there to see it. I told her maybe that's one we just apply to and see what happens. I know with privates there's a benefit to visiting to up your chances since you show more interest but do we think publics operate the same way?

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15 hours ago, troph said:

His other schools he’s looking at all have marching bands too except one - CU, Oregon, Washington, Cal, UCLA, UCSB. He’s dropping Michigan and Georgia. We wanted to add Arky but I can’t. He didn’t want to add Tenn. Fla never caught his interest. no interest in the east coast at all. UTSA is his absolute fail safe. He’s mindful of cost and probably won’t go to a CA school, and is thinking CU and Oregon are likely. 

Our kid wanted to be in college band so it was a consideration for all of the schools we visited.

Washington - had a great band program from what we saw, very much like Texas.

Cal - not a great of a band program but obviously a very good school.  The band is student run and not well financed.  We didn't visit but we had a friend whose kid tried the Cal band and did not have a good experience.

UTSA has a large band program if he ends up there.

I can't comment on CU, Oregon, UCLA or UCSB.  I did research by looking at YouTube videos and we visited a few band programs during campus visits.

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9 hours ago, mdmost said:

Oregon is on our list. I just don't know when we can get up there to see it. I told her maybe that's one we just apply to and see what happens. I know with privates there's a benefit to visiting to up your chances since you show more interest but do we think publics operate the same way?

 

id be curious to see a map where oregon grads land jobs.  i've never bumped into a oregon engineers (i've never worked on the west coast, but plenty in the rockies) 

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8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

id be curious to see a map where oregon grads land jobs.  i've never bumped into a oregon engineers (i've never worked on the west coast, but plenty in the rockies) 

I’d imagine like any school that’s regional the PNW. Seattle, Portland, possible into SF for some. But I have no data. 

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On 7/17/2025 at 7:14 PM, mdmost said:

I guess I can finally join this thread. My kid is outside the top 5 by a wide margin. Her class size is small at her magnet and she had a crappy freshman year due to some personal issues that she's completely bounced back from. She did well on the SAT and wants to take it again to see if she can improve her math score. I'd love her to go to Texas but it's really not in the cards and that's fine. I want her to go where she wants to go because it speaks to her and not because Mom and Dad went there. She wants to be a therapist so she would like to get a degree in Psychology.

We're working with a college counselor who recommended smaller schools. We toured Colorado College and University of Denver. We also checked out CU-Boulder and CSU. She loved Colorado College and CU. It's hard not to as both had great presentations and you cannot beat the views just outside the campus. She liked CSU but that was a bit more remote. I feel that would be a good one if they offered some scholarship money. She did not like Univ of Denver but made a friend who lives here in the process so that was cool. We also looked at UTSA since we went down on Saturday for the Trinity University open house. UTSA was more if she was somehow offered the 1 year at a UT-affiliate option before getting acceptance to Texas her sophomore year. Trinity was really great. That's one that I could see her doing really well at. I just don't know how much they could give us to make it competitive but it's worth an application as they don't charge a fee to apply. We don't plan on doing any early decision applications as we don't want to be tied to an option that might be too expensive. None of them really so far have been one where she said she would want to be there over anywhere else...except CU.

We'd like her to get out of Texas if it makes sense but obviously don't want to break the bank in the process. She's not really a kid who I think would do well at some of our Texas options. I really don't want her to stay in DFW if possible. Our guy also recommended looking at San Diego State, UC San Diego, University of San Diego, UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, and Cal Poly. I think the last option is a reach for her based on their requirements. My niece goes there so we know it's good so we may just apply because why not? We're looking at a trip to San Diego in September to tour the 3 there. We're going to Disneyland in August and will take a few hours one day while there to head to tour UC Irvine since it's 25 minutes away by Uber. UC Santa Barbara is a bit too remote. He also said Oregon could be a decent option for her if she's comfortable with its size. We're going to a small college fair in August to also check out those options. I think Southwestern will be there.

Any other places we should look either in California or Texas? I don't think she'd do well in the SEC schools.  

Check out UNC. Hell, just go take a tour of the whole research triangle. Virginia is also a great school. 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Check out UNC. Hell, just go take a tour of the whole research triangle. Virginia is also a great school. 

Begged my son to consider both. Wise for 17, still only 17. May force an app to be sure.

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13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

id be curious to see a map where oregon grads land jobs.  i've never bumped into a oregon engineers (i've never worked on the west coast, but plenty in the rockies) 

You won't run into engineers from UO because they don't have an engineering school. OSU and Oregon Tech are the only two programs up there.

Most grads stay in the PNW. Between Portland and Seattle most stay in the general area. My wife applied to one job outside of the PNW when she graduated from Oregon, fortunately for me that was the one she ended up taking.

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9 minutes ago, millhouse said:

You won't run into engineers from UO because they don't have an engineering school. OSU and Oregon Tech are the only two programs up there.

Most grads stay in the PNW. Between Portland and Seattle most stay in the general area. My wife applied to one job outside of the PNW when she graduated from Oregon, fortunately for me that was the one she ended up taking.

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5 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Check out UNC


North Carolina has a state law that requires UNC’s freshman class to be at least 82% in state kids. Super competitive for out of state kids but always worth a shot. Just managing expectations. 

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On 7/19/2025 at 10:55 AM, mdmost said:

We went on a drive out to Tyler to look at azaleas and just did a drive around UT-Tyler just to see if that's the fallback option if she was offered CAP. Very small but if you're only doing a year, not terrible. I don't think UTA would be a dealbreaker for mine since we live in Dallas. UTSA would be the most ideal but I get why that's the hardest to pull off. 

My son did the UT Tyler CAP thing. He’s going into his Junior year at Texas. He got offered UT Tyler and UTEP for his CAP choices. I told him just to go to Tech and get the full college experience, but his heart was set on ending up at Texas. My concern was that he would waste a year at UT Tyler and not make the required 3.2 GPA to get into Texas. Well, he made a 4.0 at UT Tyler and was at Texas for his sophomore year. Now, I’m not the one who had to spend a year in Tyler, but the city didn’t seem too bad to me the couple of times I went up there. Looked a lot different than the brush country of South Texas. Nice pine trees and whatnot. There are also probably a lot less “distractions” in Tyler which makes achieving the required GPA a little more feasible. It was mentioned upthread, but I think the essay played a part in my son even being offered cap. He wasn’t even in the top half of his class (probably around the 75th percentile), but he still got offered CAP.  He did go to a pretty good/competitive high school, but I’m not sure how much that played into it. TLDR:  UT Tyler is a pretty good pathway to Texas for a CAP student. 

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Regarding the band influence:  there is no college marching band that's anywhere near the top of the "marching arts".  It doesn't matter if your kid is at UT, tOSU, UDub, Colorado, whatever.  (A&M is a weird anomoly and worse.)

I'm not saying don't do band, but I would strongly suggest you try to disabuse your kid of the idea that the particular school matters.  You get to play your instrument, learn some drill, meet a bunch of other mostly nerds, and have a great time.  That's cool.  There really isn't any source of pride other than self-inflated when it comes to the different schools.

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anyone else’s soon to be senior drag ass all summer on their essays and narrowing down colleges/visits? Apparently it’s also too tough for them to even pull up a virtual drone campus tour on youtube, who knew.

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49 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding the band influence:  there is no college marching band that's anywhere near the top of the "marching arts".  It doesn't matter if your kid is at UT, tOSU, UDub, Colorado, whatever.  (A&M is a weird anomoly and worse.)

I'm not saying don't do band, but I would strongly suggest you try to disabuse your kid of the idea that the particular school matters.  You get to play your instrument, learn some drill, meet a bunch of other mostly nerds, and have a great time.  That's cool.  There really isn't any source of pride other than self-inflated when it comes to the different schools.

DCI is more of that for skill progression but you tap out there. Everyone knows there isn’t much after college and high school is second most competitive after DCI (when it comes to competing as a band). But when you talk about experience and third spaces (which I think are critical to finding meaning and happiness) you really can’t go wrong with band. 

Besides being able to have the most incredible UT football experience on the schools dime, on occasion you get to do cool shit like this…

so yeah, we think UT marching band has the potential to be life changing and to create memories not otherwise obtainable. 

I don’t know about the other schools - but a part from the meaning of Texas I bet they have similar cool experiences and a built in community.

As for nerds, sort of, but band has changed a lot since our days. With athletics being hyper competitive there are plenty of fit, cool, good looking kids in band nowadays. Plenty of nerds too. 

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25 minutes ago, ballrific said:

anyone else’s soon to be senior drag ass all summer on their essays and narrowing down colleges/visits? Apparently it’s also too tough for them to even pull up a virtual drone campus tour on youtube, who knew.

Yup 

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16 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

id be curious to see a map where oregon grads land jobs.  i've never bumped into a oregon engineers (i've never worked on the west coast, but plenty in the rockies) 

At a previous job, I worked with a very large group of engineers in the Portland area.  I met VERY few (if any) from University of Oregon.  Most who went to engineering school in Oregon were from Oregon State University.  Fwiw.

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1 hour ago, ballrific said:

anyone else’s soon to be senior drag ass all summer on their essays and narrowing down colleges/visits? Apparently it’s also too tough for them to even pull up a virtual drone campus tour on youtube, who knew.

Mine was updating the Common app on the driver down to San Antonio last weekend. I doubt she's done anything since but in fairness,  she's taking 2 online courses that started last Monday. 

I think I'd view Oregon like I'd view Colorado State for her. She could do really well there but maybe a bit too remote to get her back home or us over there to visit. That said, still throwing an application their way. 

She has the option to do a virtual admission interview with Trinity in August. She seemed interested when I told her about it. Has anyone done those before? At the open house, they mentioned those would help boost your profile. 

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4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Mine was updating the Common app on the driver down to San Antonio last weekend. I doubt she's done anything since but in fairness,  she's taking 2 online courses that started last Monday. 

I think I'd view Oregon like I'd view Colorado State for her. She could do really well there but maybe a bit too remote to get her back home or us over there to visit. That said, still throwing an application their way. 

She has the option to do a virtual admission interview with Trinity in August. She seemed interested when I told her about it. Has anyone done those before? At the open house, they mentioned those would help boost your profile. 

did a virtual interview for a GROUP, it's weird af. I'll assume they use AI to summarize your interview for the company 

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2 hours ago, troph said:

so yeah, we think UT marching band has the potential to be life changing and to create memories not otherwise obtainable. 

I think that's a reasonable take when it comes to in-state connections.

I also see a shit-ton of people talking about getting the hell out of Texas, so I'm not sure if UT band has that much leverage at that point.

My point, to reiterate, as a high level HS marching band and high level DCI nerd -- strongly consider whether it defines your college choice.  

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think that's a reasonable take when it comes to in-state connections.

I also see a shit-ton of people talking about getting the hell out of Texas, so I'm not sure if UT band has that much leverage at that point.

My point, to reiterate, as a high level HS marching band and high level DCI nerd -- strongly consider whether it defines your college choice.  

He’s not looking for competition he’s looking for a good time and wants to play The Eyes and Texas Fight at the games. It’s pretty simple and of all people, folks on this board should get it. Not looking for connections really, just a memorable college experience. He’s got two band directors in his life that did it so he’s got a good understanding. And if not Texas he’ll do it elsewhere for the same reasons, obviously without the The Eyes and Texas Fight. As a parent, I’m thrilled about it, again third spaces are critical to finding your way. Band can absolutely be that place - family, school, friends community. So if he wants to be in a marching band in college, let’s do it.

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No argument there, and if a kid grew up wanting to play The Eyes then obviously the USC band (or whatever) is going to be a poor substitute.

Stop talking to me like I’m 11 years old man. He wants to be in the marching band for many reasons, UT first but marching band regardless. He’s playing a meaningless high school fight song right now and loves it. It’s obviously multi faceted and as a parent third spaces and their impact on contentment and well being are my primary concern as he moves into college. Band is an ideal third space.

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9 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Check out UNC. Hell, just go take a tour of the whole research triangle. Virginia is also a great school. 

UNC is next to impossible from out of state. It also is an older campus that doesn’t show very well at this point. My oldest wanted to go to UNC up until sophomore year, but she wasn’t impressed with the tour and moved on quickly once we started touring.

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Stop talking to me like I’m 11 years old man. He wants to be in the marching band for many reasons, UT first but marching band regardless. He’s playing a meaningless high school fight song right now and loves it. It’s obviously multi faceted. 

Whoa.  Try the decaf.  I was agreeing with you.

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