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My 17yo is done with her first draft of her essay and won't let me read it.  She's a very good writer, I've read lots of her other essays for English or whatever, but she doesn't want, or isn't ready yet, for me to read this.  We'll see if that changes.  At the very least I suggested she let some of her teachers read it.

I know my parents never read my essays either, never even asked for them, but my English Lit and APUSH teachers did.

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Somebody smack me upside the head, remind me not to listen to idiots (well, other than y'all), and soothe my parental anxiety.

We keep hearing people say that they need to get their applications in as soon as they can! Don't wait! Competitive degree programs will fill up!  They gotta have their Dip-Tet right this very minute!

Mine is pulling out of his back to school funk and getting back into the groove, but I'd rather him take the time to put together a good looking application/essays.  Possibly even wait until he does some re-visits in mid-October.

My understanding is that as long as he's submitted by the November 1 early deadlines, he's good to go.  That's what all the websites say.

Somebody please just tell me that's correct so I can blow this off.  I'm getting PTSD from the psychotic youth select baseball parent anxiety I spent so much time trying to avoid.

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36 minutes ago, Damor said:

Somebody smack me upside the head, remind me not to listen to idiots (well, other than y'all), and soothe my parental anxiety.

We keep hearing people say that they need to get their applications in as soon as they can! Don't wait! Competitive degree programs will fill up!  They gotta have their Dip-Tet right this very minute!

Mine is pulling out of his back to school funk and getting back into the groove, but I'd rather him take the time to put together a good looking application/essays.  Possibly even wait until he does some re-visits in mid-October.

My understanding is that as long as he's submitted by the November 1 early deadlines, he's good to go.  That's what all the websites say.

Somebody please just tell me that's correct so I can blow this off.  I'm getting PTSD from the psychotic youth select baseball parent anxiety I spent so much time trying to avoid.

I'd like to know about this too. I understand him wanting to be able to get a progress report in before applying.

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1 hour ago, Damor said:

Somebody smack me upside the head, remind me not to listen to idiots (well, other than y'all), and soothe my parental anxiety.

We keep hearing people say that they need to get their applications in as soon as they can! Don't wait! Competitive degree programs will fill up!  They gotta have their Dip-Tet right this very minute!

Mine is pulling out of his back to school funk and getting back into the groove, but I'd rather him take the time to put together a good looking application/essays.  Possibly even wait until he does some re-visits in mid-October.

My understanding is that as long as he's submitted by the November 1 early deadlines, he's good to go.  That's what all the websites say.

Somebody please just tell me that's correct so I can blow this off.  I'm getting PTSD from the psychotic youth select baseball parent anxiety I spent so much time trying to avoid.

Our guy says there's no rush. I think that's schools trying to FOMO you and your kid. Our guy wants us to have everything in line by the end of September and I think that's more so we can start putting in applications in early October. Most deadlines are November 1st. One thing you probably have to do before then is the FAFSA. Most schools won't start looking at applications till after the deadline. I'm sure if it's a private and you're doing Early Decision, those all go to the front of the line because there's definite acceptances for the school so it's less of a time waste. 

Our plan is to apply and do some revisits if she gets accepted to ones she really values and is on her upper tier. If somehow she gets into UT or the CAP is offered then our decision making timeframe is pushed up considerably. I don't think either happens honestly unless she ups her SAT by 100 points. 

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3 hours ago, Damor said:

Somebody smack me upside the head, remind me not to listen to idiots (well, other than y'all), and soothe my parental anxiety.

We keep hearing people say that they need to get their applications in as soon as they can! Don't wait! Competitive degree programs will fill up!  They gotta have their Dip-Tet right this very minute!

Mine is pulling out of his back to school funk and getting back into the groove, but I'd rather him take the time to put together a good looking application/essays.  Possibly even wait until he does some re-visits in mid-October.

My understanding is that as long as he's submitted by the November 1 early deadlines, he's good to go.  That's what all the websites say.

Somebody please just tell me that's correct so I can blow this off.  I'm getting PTSD from the psychotic youth select baseball parent anxiety I spent so much time trying to avoid.

I will say if he has a favorite school that he isn’t super competitive for he should early decision that school. Anecdotally it made a difference this past fall as there were some head scratchers among my kid’s friend group and they were all early decisions. 
 

Also at the end of the day it’s not where they go it’s what they do w it. 4 of the 4.0’s in my med school class were from Texas Tech for gods sake

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Both my kids grew up in the PNW and stayed in the area for college, even though we made trips to UT and other places. Both are now in the EU working on grad degrees and I have no expectation that they will come back to the US.  Youngest is working on a global public health degree in Germany and wants to focus on refugees. Oldest is in Spain getting a PhD in something about droughts, floods, and food supply. If they and their HS/undergrad friend group is any indication, there’s a definite brain drain going on. One friend is doing a PhD at Glasgow, another is looking to move to Denmark after finishing a residency, another is planning on doing Econ post-doc work in the UK, one is applying for biology grad programs in Germany, and several others are looking to make the move.  Only one of the 12 or so is completely augured into the US.

No Cloak, but did I mention they are all females?

My PhD daughter gets a small stipend, but even without, tuition would be negligible and degree is only three years instead of four—mostly because they don’t make you teach or TA anything.  MS daughter also gets a little break and has fortunate timing as this is apparently the last year for fed loans to grad students (or something). She’ll either hook up with an NGO or go get a PhD.

FYI: in the US, three women get PhDs for every two guys and the gap widens every year. Smart women migrating within and outside of the US will have definite effects, many of which will be not good. Again, no Cloak Room, but we are repeatedly hitting ourselves in the nuts and it seems like we will continue to do so. Foreign universities may seem a non-starter to many right now, but that can change quickly, particularly as people do it, talk about it, and make it more visible and accepting.

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Now compare foreigners in American universities who stay American...no CR of course( why did you say it twice  LOL)

 

anecdotally, both of my DILs have their Masters. One has dual and working on a third while employed.  One son has his, and the other will down the road almost certainly.

Yeah for all the joking in here and potshots, quite often I'm the dumbest person in the room; I also don't have to pay someone to change a tire. but my retirement prospects are bolstered by the chil'ren.

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American universities graduate approximately 250,000 international students each year between bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral programs. 

Between undergraduate and graduate degree programs,  41 percent of international students graduating from American universities between 2012 and 2020 still lived in the country as of 2021, according to an analysis of the National Survey of College Graduates.

 17 percent of bachelor’s degree recipients stay, but Half of master’s degree recipients and 3/4 of PhD recipients also stay.

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re international schools. I am interested on behalf of my sophomore daughter. But the schools in Canada and UK don't seem cheap. They are every bit the out if state $$$ I see elsewhere at very good public universities. I guess we are in that "make good money but not $350k+ pay out of pocket $80k per year" group that is price sensitive.

 

My daughter has excellent academics, but I think she will probably either need to find an OOS school that will give a partial (in state) rate, or non upper tier private institution that will throw money at her. It am thinking it may be that to go OOS she will have to take a step down in academic quality from top in state options (UT Austin). We have a good 529 chunk, but I try to tell it would be good to keep some it for grad school. Maybe a lot of it if she wants to go to law school.

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7 hours ago, Iceman said:

American universities graduate approximately 250,000 international students each year between bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral programs. 

Between undergraduate and graduate degree programs,  41 percent of international students graduating from American universities between 2012 and 2020 still lived in the country as of 2021, according to an analysis of the National Survey of College Graduates.

 17 percent of bachelor’s degree recipients stay, but Half of master’s degree recipients and 3/4 of PhD recipients also stay.

What’s interesting about the puts and takes of American students going abroad and the continued international students coming here will be watching how it plays out over the long term— 10 to 20 to 30 years.

We have more liberally arts minded kids who care about things like politics and quality of life at a minimum and probably are in targeted minority groups that feel existentially unsafe at a maximum (lgbt+). In all cases upper middle class to organize and finance your way out as an expat student.

On the other hand you have hungry and motivated students coming in to top flight and increasingly second tier schools even for hard sciences and STEM from China, India and Nigeria in droves (and as a way to get around the general lottery/quotas these countries always fill up quickly to get into US). These kids are increasingly staying, getting good jobs, having families and first generation American kids etc. 

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Thanks @mdmost and @Sawbonz for the reassurance.  I should know better to listen to some of these folks, especially as we are surrounded by aggy, and they are usually talking about things like CS and engineering programs down there.  Guess that's what happens when you overwhelm your school with volume and drown what you could potentially be good at as a university.

I double checked and his main considerations at this points (CSU, CU, and Mines) all have non-binding early action dates no earlier than Nov. 1, so I'll calm my tits.  I'll try to get him to make UT's 10/15, even though I'm not sure it'd be right for him if he got in.  None of his favorites at this point are true early decision.

 

15 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Also at the end of the day it’s not where they go it’s what they do w it. 4 of the 4.0’s in my med school class were from Texas Tech for gods sake

Ain't that the truth.  One reason we're really trying to let him figure out where he's going to love being and get involved academically and socially.  Some of the smartest, best, and most successful rads I work with did their undergrad at places like Angelo State, Tech, and even LSU.

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4 minutes ago, Damor said:

Ain't that the truth.  One reason we're really trying to let him figure out where he's going to love being and get involved academically and socially.  Some of the smartest, best, and most successful rads I work with did their undergrad at places like Angelo State, Tech, and even LSU.

The best engineer I've ever worked with graduated from UTSA.  You can get an excellent education just about anywhere, if you work at it.

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Just to give you an idea of stuff she's getting about Early Decision where you commit to attending if accepted. This is where the real FOMO is being pushed. We're not doing this with Trinity as the aid would have to be what we need to make it affordable and for her it would be a toss-up between them and Colorado College as far as which one she would rather go to in that situation. So we're not planning any early decision choices.

 

Dear mdmost's oldest child,

As you embark on your senior year, we know that the college application process can feel exciting and possibly daunting. Please know that the Trinity admissions team is here to support you in this journey! We compiled a few pro tips below to help you as you navigate forward. 


Apply sooner rather than later.

Trinity has a November 1 deadline that includes both Early Decision I  (binding) and Early Action (non-binding).  

Receive notification of admission AND scholarship by December. Enjoy winter break knowing your admissions decision and alleviate added stress in the spring.

 Apply Now →

Apply Early Decision (ED) to distinguish yourself.

Put yourself in the most competitive position for admission. Being strategic in this process is important.

The ED acceptance rate is over 50%, compared to 25% overall. ED applicants receive our highest consideration in the review process, which is why a third of our incoming first-year students committed ED!

Early Decision at Trinity →

Receive your scholarship and financial aid package
BEFORE applying ED.

Can you imagine committing to a college without knowing the net cost? 
Neither can we. 

If Trinity is a top consideration, click here to receive an early financial aid offer to ensure Trinity is financially viable.

 Request an early financial aid estimate →

Please reach out to our talented admissions team if you have questions at any point. We wish you the best and look forward to seeing your application soon! 

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Just to give you an idea of stuff she's getting about Early Decision where you commit to attending if accepted. This is where the real FOMO is being pushed. We're not doing this with Trinity as the aid would have to be what we need to make it affordable and for her it would be a toss-up between them and Colorado College as far as which one she would rather go to in that situation. So we're not planning any early decision choices.

 

Dear mdmost's oldest child,

As you embark on your senior year, we know that the college application process can feel exciting and possibly daunting. Please know that the Trinity admissions team is here to support you in this journey! We compiled a few pro tips below to help you as you navigate forward. 


Apply sooner rather than later.

Trinity has a November 1 deadline that includes both Early Decision I  (binding) and Early Action (non-binding).  

Receive notification of admission AND scholarship by December. Enjoy winter break knowing your admissions decision and alleviate added stress in the spring.

 Apply Now →

Apply Early Decision (ED) to distinguish yourself.

Put yourself in the most competitive position for admission. Being strategic in this process is important.

The ED acceptance rate is over 50%, compared to 25% overall. ED applicants receive our highest consideration in the review process, which is why a third of our incoming first-year students committed ED!

Early Decision at Trinity →

Receive your scholarship and financial aid package
BEFORE applying ED.

Can you imagine committing to a college without knowing the net cost? 
Neither can we. 

If Trinity is a top consideration, click here to receive an early financial aid offer to ensure Trinity is financially viable.

 Request an early financial aid estimate →

Please reach out to our talented admissions team if you have questions at any point. We wish you the best and look forward to seeing your application soon! 

Go Tigers!

Sincerely,
Dean of Admissions

None of my kids did early decision, for better or worse. One thing I never could figure out is is it binding if it’s not affordable? In other words, if they’re not giving you a full ride, is that a reason you can back out?

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Just now, Sawbonz said:

None of my kids did early admission, for better or worse. One thing I never could figure out is is it binding if it’s not affordable? In other words, if they’re not giving you a full ride, is that a reason you can back out?

When we went to the open house for Trinity, they did state that they would let people out if the tuition after aid was too much. I think it's more they don't want to be dicked around by people they offer the spot to. They want the committed people. I get it. They do say in the email you can ask for an early financial aid and merit decision before you commit to the Early Decision application. We just don't feel comfortable because if she could get into UT, she wants that. If Trinity was the tacked on #1 choice above all others, we would highly consider the Early Decision. 

 

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10 hours ago, Iceman said:

American universities graduate approximately 250,000 international students each year between bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral programs. 

Between undergraduate and graduate degree programs,  41 percent of international students graduating from American universities between 2012 and 2020 still lived in the country as of 2021, according to an analysis of the National Survey of College Graduates.

 17 percent of bachelor’s degree recipients stay, but Half of master’s degree recipients and 3/4 of PhD recipients also stay.

For now… 😅

what none of us know is the next decade or so but there are some disturbing trends happening in the present that may decrease the rosy numbers you posted

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11 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Early Decision doesn't make sense unless it's your #1 dream school to begin with.

Sure but they hit you with the reality that they are going to have less spots if you do early action as they show how the acceptance rate is a decent amount lower with it over early decision. I think with Trinity it was 33% acceptance for early decision and 22% on early action. We're only doing early action. 

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