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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

His pronouns are has/been.  
 

speaking of gay rights:

 

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The sliver of good news here is there will be plenty of states where gay marriage is marriage.

 

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16 minutes ago, Chips O'Toole said:

This is total fucking nonsense. It's called perspective, and it is not some defect of his situation. 

"Football is more important than fascism" is an odd take from someone opposed to fascism.  

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16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The sliver of good news here is there will be plenty of states where gay marriage is marriage.

 

An awful lot of queer people don't live in those states and an awful lot of queer people can't just travel to get married. 

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5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Please let me punch him in the throat

 

 

 

Not just higher.  "Orders of magnitude" higher.  

Remember, fascist regimes don't just tell little lies.  They tell huge, outlandish, insanely obviously false lies.  It's one of the key, telltale moves of a fascist regime.

Stephen Miller's surprised expression on his body suspended upside down at an Esso station -- which is how fascist regimes end -- would be a fitting historical coda.  We'll see how accurate the historical parallels remain, but I gotta tell ya.....thus far, they are dead-on.

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Charlotte Clymer is a great journalist, and is one of the journos I give a few bucks to every month. Here is her piece of what happens if Obergefell is overturned. 


If Same-Sex Marriage is Overturned

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Folks, I very rarely publish two pieces in one day, so I hope you’ll forgive the second intrusion in your inboxes and understand the immediacy.

Many of you have probably seen the news from this morning that the Supreme Court may take up a challenge to Obergefell v. Hodges, the SCOTUS ruling that legalized same-sex marriage ten years ago.

The challenge is being brought by Kim Davis, a former Kentucky county clerk and religious extremist who refused to certify same-sex marriages in the wake of the Obergefell ruling and was jailed for six days back in 2015.

She was eventually ordered by a jury to pay $100,000 in emotional damages and $260,000 to a same-sex couple who sued her over being denied a marriage license.

I wish I could tell you that the Supreme Court is going to decline to hear this challenge, but I honestly don’t know. I wish I could tell you that even if the Supreme Court decides to hear the challenge, it will fail and Obergefell will be upheld, but I really, truly, honestly don’t know.

My gut feeling is that Obergefell is in trouble. I hope my gut is wrong.

The extremist conservatives on this Supreme Court have routinely disregarded precedents and common sense, and it would be foolish of me to say with any degree of confidence that same-sex marriage and interracial marriage will be safe at the national level.

So, instead, I’m going to tell you what will happen if Obergefell is overturned and why Pres. Biden and Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) deserve enormous credit for creating a safety net back in 2022 just in case a scenario like this would come to pass.

When the Respect for Marriage Act was passed and signed into law that year, many of us—myself included—saw it as a sign that the lifeboats were being prepped in case the ship went down.

It did not “codify” same-sex marriage and interracial marriage in federal law—as was often reported by oblivious journalists who couldn’t take five damn minutes to educate themselves on the bill—but it did cement certain protections for same-sex and interracial marriages.

Here's what that law specifically does and how it would look for same-sex marriage licenses nationwide:

1. It requires the federal government to recognize same-sex marriage licenses. If Obergefell should fall, the federal government would still protect those marriages in every aspect under its purview (everything from Social Security benefits to military families).

2. It requires states refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses to still recognize those licenses issued in states where legal.

Basically, a same-sex marriage license issued in California would be honored in Texas, even if Obergefell is overturned and Texas bans same-sex marriage licenses from being issued within its jurisdiction.

Obviously, that baseline reciprocity is a good thing because it’ll safeguard protections for millions of LGBTQ families in our country.

However, it’s also problematic for a few reasons, one of the more obvious of which is that not every family living in an anti-LGBTQ state can travel to a pro-LGBTQ state to procure a marriage license.

You know those periodic reminders about why people can’t simply move out of hurricane zones because it costs money to move and restart somewhere else?

Same principle here. Many folks can’t afford this nonsense. Imagine, for example, your partner is having a horrific health scare and you need to expedite your marriage to ensure the protections and rights that come with it.

Currently, the constitutions of 26 states have bans on same-sex marriage and any other types of same-sex unions, and 30 total states have statutes with the same effect.

These are all non-enforceable because Obergefell is currently the law of the land.

But if Obergefell is overturned, all of those state constitutional and statutory bans would be enforceable.

Here, I’ll make it a bit easier with a visual I shamelessly stole from Wikipedia:

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Do you see all that red and pink?

Those are various degrees of statutory bans (some just marriages, some both marriages and civil unions, and some go further than that). Everyone living in those parts of the country will be unable to procure a same-sex marriage license where they reside if Obergefell is overturned.

But it gets more complicated because now we have to factor-in the state constitutional bans. Here’s another map stolen from Wikipedia:

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See all that red and black?

Those constitutional bans would go into effect if Obergefell is overturned. California and Nevada are dark blue (not black), meaning that they explicitly protect same-sex marriages in their constitutions. Michigan and Virginia are black because they still have constitutional bans on same-sex marriage in place.

Despite all the pink and red and black on those maps, a same-sex marriage license issued in a state where it would be legal in an Obergefell-less world would be honored in every state where it would be freshly illegal to issue such licenses.

That’s why the Respect for Marriage Act is so important. That’s why Sen. Tammy Baldwin is a legislative genius for cobbling together a bipartisan majority to get that bill passed with Pres. Biden’s robust support back in 2022.

No, same-sex marriage will not entirely dissolve in the United States if Obergefell should be overturned, but it will be much, much more difficult for millions of LGBTQ families if that happens.

I hope it isn’t overturned. I hope the extremist majority of the Supreme Court comes to their senses and realizes how foolish it would be to needlessly and cruelly strip marriage rights from same-sex couples and their families.

But if that should come to pass, there is something of a safety net in place.

In the meantime, every state with Democratic leadership that doesn’t currently have constitutional or statutory support for same-sex marriage and interracial marriage needs to immediately get on that.

Don’t trust this Supreme Court to do the right thing. Prepare for the worst and be delightfully surprised if the worst doesn’t happen.

 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Not just higher.  "Orders of magnitude" higher.  

Remember, fascist regimes don't just tell little lies.  They tell huge, outlandish, insanely obviously false lies.  It's one of the key, telltale moves of a fascist regime.

Oh, so you don't appreciate the 1500% cut in your prescription drug prices?

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Yep. It will get much more difficult to get married for millions of Americans, but gay marriage will not be outlawed.

Your commitment to the "Things are gonna get shitty, but don't worry it won't be completely shitty and I personally will be fine anyway" schtick you have is, uh, something, I guess, whenever things continually get worse and worse faster than anyone imagined. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yep. It will get much more difficult to get married for millions of Americans, but gay marriage will not be outlawed.

Oh my sweet summer child.  You think that there are still rules and laws.  

There are not.  There are many that nominally remain, and will remain....because the regime doesn't want to mess with them.  But if the regime decides that the law is something else tomorrow -- that contracts are only valid if the parties are wearing MAGA hats when they sign them, for example -- that will be the law.  It may take a bit of time to get cemented through official actions and such, but that is how it works now.

You live in an absolute monarchy now.  It's time you realize it.

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Posted
1 hour ago, immamac said:

Then just leave now. If you are so miserable you can't enjoy historic levels of hype that's a you problem. 

Son get a grip 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Your commitment to the "Things are gonna get shitty, but don't worry it won't be completely shitty and I personally will be fine anyway" schtick you have is, uh, something, I guess, whenever things continually get worse and worse faster than anyone imagined. 

I agree. Which is why I vote. 

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I have a grip, I think all of you who are perpetually online and losing your minds should really disconnect for a while. You are doing it to yourself.

Does this suck? Yeah.

Is there something you are doing about it? Nope. 

If that's the sequence and you are living in a world where you are constantly freaking out about things and being hypervigilant of everything that's happening with this admin, then it's actually a problem of your own making.

You guys can make me the villain or whatever boogie man you want. 

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25 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yep. It will get much more difficult to get married for millions of Americans, but gay marriage will not be outlawed.

Is your position that these GOP dominated states are going to rush to amend their state constitutions to protect Gay marriage should SCOTUS overturn Obergfell?

r/MapPorn - USA Same Sex Marriage Protections in State Constitutions Currently

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12 minutes ago, immamac said:

I have a grip, I think all of you who are perpetually online and losing your minds should really disconnect for a while. You are doing it to yourself.

Does this suck? Yeah.

Is there something you are doing about it? Nope. 

If that's the sequence and you are living in a world where you are constantly freaking out about things and being hypervigilant of everything that's happening with this admin, then it's actually a problem of your own making.

You guys can make me the villain or whatever boogie man you want. 

You're not wrong. I try to distance myself from this as much as possible, focus on the stuff within my immediate control, and avoid rage/doom scrolling. 

That said, I also realize that this nation is at a tipping point, and it can be uncomfortable to simply stand at the handrail while the ship goes down. 

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I just want to say that history, when it arrives, may not look as you expect, based on the reading of history books. Things in there are always so clear. One knows exactly what one would have done.

Your grandmother and I (and many others) would have had to be more extreme people than we were, during that critical period, to have done whatever it was we should have been doing. And our lives had not prepared us for extremity, to mobilize or to be as focussed and energized as I can see, in retrospect, we would have needed to be. We were not prepared to drop everything in defense of a system that was, to us, like oxygen: used constantly, never noted. We were spoiled, I think I am trying to say. As were those on the other side: willing to tear it all down because they had been so thoroughly nourished by the vacuous plenty in which we all lived, a bountiful condition that allowed people to thrive and opine and swagger around like kings and queens while remaining ignorant of their own history.

-George Saunders

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Is your position that these GOP dominated states are going to rush to amend their state constitutions to protect Gay marriage should SCOTUS overturn Obergfell?

r/MapPorn - USA Same Sex Marriage Protections in State Constitutions Currently

This is an old outdated map?

Gay marriage has been legal in Virginia for 11 years and Virginia is not a GOP dominated state.  I know that it's also legal in Ohio.  Bottom line.  Your map sucks.

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4 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

This is an old outdated map?

Gay marriage has been legal in Virginia for 11 years and Virginia is not a GOP dominated state.  I know that it's also legal in Ohio.  Bottom line.  Your map sucks.

Its possibly an old, outdated map. Also posssible that the map sucks. But things in Virginia don't seem as clear cut as you state:

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Virginia’s constitution currently contains a 2006 amendment that defines marriage as being between “one man and one woman,” which is unenforceable after the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2015 Obergefell decision. If the Supreme Court were to overturn Obergefell, it would go into effect.

The amendment would prohibit authorities from denying to issue marriage licenses to “two parties contemplating a lawful marriage on the basis of the sex, gender, or race of such parties.”

This year in the House of Delegates, 35 voted against the amendment, 5 abstained and 2 did not vote.

Del. Nick Freitas (R-Culpepper) raised opposition to the measure because it does not address religious authorities declining to perform marriages — which was protected in a law passed by the legislature and signed by Gov. Glenn Youngkin last year.

Minority Leader Del. Todd Gilbert (R-Shenandoah) raised the question of the amendment not distinguishing between sex and gender.

“That notion should at least give us pause that maybe this is not ready, and that pushing ahead with it is not in the best interest of Virginia,” he said.

A similar marriage measure got through the legislature in 2021, but was defeated in 2022 after Republicans gained control of the House of Delegates.

The number of Republicans voting against the proposal increased, compared to the 2021 vote, when 33 Republicans voted against it and seven did not vote.

Senate Republicans offered no amendments to the proposal on Monday.

https://www.vpm.org/news/2025-01-20/virginia-constitutional-amendments-abortion-marriage-equality-voting-rights

Edit: Appears to be the same in Ohio. 

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20 minutes ago, immamac said:

I have a grip, I think all of you who are perpetually online and losing your minds should really disconnect for a while. You are doing it to yourself.

Does this suck? Yeah.

Is there something you are doing about it? Nope. 

If that's the sequence and you are living in a world where you are constantly freaking out about things and being hypervigilant of everything that's happening with this admin, then it's actually a problem of your own making.

You guys can make me the villain or whatever boogie man you want. 

You're not a villain. You're just a clueless asshole. 

This is defcon 1 level right now. This isn't politics as usual. This is the fall of the republic. 

How do we know? History. Name a single time in human historical record where the measures to destroy a democracy and establish a police state were taken to this level and it didn't collapse? If you're a member of the persecuted class of the authoritarian regime? Your life is in jeopardy. It's real and it's happening right now. This isn't hyperbole or overreaction. It's written into human history many times over for thousands of years. 

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2 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

You're not a villain. You're just a clueless asshole. 

This is defcon 1 level right now. This isn't politics as usual. This is the fall of the republic. 

How do we know? History. Name a single time in human historical record where the measures to destroy a democracy and establish a police state were taken to this level and it didn't collapse? If you're a member of the persecuted class of the authoritarian regime? Your life is in jeopardy. It's real and it's happening right now. This isn't hyperbole or overreaction. It's written into human history many times over for thousands of years. 

Don't look up! 

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27 minutes ago, immamac said:

I have a grip, I think all of you who are perpetually online and losing your minds should really disconnect for a while. You are doing it to yourself.

Does this suck? Yeah.

Is there something you are doing about it? Nope. 

If that's the sequence and you are living in a world where you are constantly freaking out about things and being hypervigilant of everything that's happening with this admin, then it's actually a problem of your own making.

You guys can make me the villain or whatever boogie man you want. 

Donald Trump Kiss GIF by PBS News

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Posted
1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

His pronouns are has/been.  
 

speaking of gay rights:

 

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This news will buoy the hurt feelings of the MAGAs whose faces are being digested by leopards. Another harmful, irrational act with sweeping consequences enacted by the Diaper in Chief.

How long before all sex change operations are ordered reversed?

Yeah, I'm distracted from college football, too. It's the only sport I follow. I'll watch, but the looming sense of dread watching a republic implode from rot pervades.

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22 minutes ago, Foosters said:

You're not wrong. I try to distance myself from this as much as possible, focus on the stuff within my immediate control, and avoid rage/doom scrolling. 

That said, I also realize that this nation is at a tipping point, and it can be uncomfortable to simply stand at the handrail while the ship goes down. 

That Saunders story is devastating. I think of it often these days.

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10 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Is anyone else having trouble getting into the start of football season while staring down the barrel of all of this fascist shit? I just can't get excited even with the team and #1 ranking.  Just feels hollow planning anything for football season while also planning for how to get my family out of the country in a day's notice if needed. 

I went the other way. Last year, around this time, when it was obvious that Trump was going to beat Biden, I got YouTubeTV to follow college football.  I absolutely needed the distraction.  Yeah, I still follow the news and this board, but that is not (or shouldn't be) 8 hours a day.  I need something to change the brain chemistry for few hours.  

But to each their own.  And I recognize our situations are different. 

11 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

You're not a villain. You're just a clueless asshole. 

This is defcon 1 level right now. This isn't politics as usual. This is the fall of the republic. 

How do we know? History. Name a single time in human historical record where the measures to destroy a democracy and establish a police state were taken to this level and it didn't collapse? If you're a member of the persecuted class of the authoritarian regime? Your life is in jeopardy. It's real and it's happening right now. This isn't hyperbole or overreaction. It's written into human history many times over for thousands of years. 

McCarthyism.  WW2.  For a good part of our history, we would staff chain gangs breaking rocks with people picked up for loitering.  

I thought we were past this shit, but we aren't.  The biggest difference is more people are objecting now.  We know better, but still retracing those same stupid, evil steps. 

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2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Remember, we've already dispensed with due process.  You only have due process rights if you're not a criminal.  And the flipside of that is if the regime decides you are a criminal, you have no due process rights.

That translates to all constitutional rights, toot sweet.  4th Amendment rights?  Fuck that, they can kick down your doors whenever they want.   First Amendment rights?  Speech against the regime is per se proof of criminal intent, you're gonna end up in cuffs.  And yeah, MAGAs...pay attention....that includes your precious 2nd amendment rights as well.  You think you're safe, because you're white and have that red hat.  But what happens when you get crossways with that OTHER white guy, who is more favored by the regime (he's cut DJT in on his grift or somesuch)?  Yeah....they'll come for you too.

In the end, nobody is safe.  Nobody has any rights.  That's what you utter dumbfucks still don't fucking get.  When you torch the Constitution, you torch the whole fucking thing.  For everyone.  Including you.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

Yeah,  the lives of my wife and daughters don't compare in importance to a football season. What was I thinking?

Are you under the impression most Americans have "fuck you" money and can afford to just jaunt off to Europe or Mexico for years? Evacuating is a last resort to escape sure death as a political refugee.

What a fucking prick. 

Sports has pretty much lost any meaning to me. I’ll watch a few games for Arizona State when I can, but football, or any other sport for that matter, is just kinda whatever until we get out of this.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

And don't get me started on those negroes and their jazz music and marihuana cigarettes corrupting our pure white women.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

So was this supposed to funny or clever?

I think he missed the point of the movie. 

Not surprised as he appears to be a child who wandered into the middle of it 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Trump will get some former NFLer on parole to let black males know that this is okay and Trump really is the best president for The Blacks. 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, immamac said:

I have a grip, I think all of you who are perpetually online and losing your minds should really disconnect for a while. You are doing it to yourself.

Does this suck? Yeah.

Is there something you are doing about it? Nope. 

If that's the sequence and you are living in a world where you are constantly freaking out about things and being hypervigilant of everything that's happening with this admin, then it's actually a problem of your own making.

You guys can make me the villain or whatever boogie man you want. 

Not everyone has the means to do shit about fuck, and people that don't have means certainly don't have time for political advocacy. Even getting themselves/their families moved anywhere is close to impossible unless they have disposable income. And some (you could argue, a lot) of those people belong to classes of people that are actively under attack by this admin. 

If you don't need to be hypervigilant, you're lucky. I'm lucky. You're lucky. Probably most of the people that post here are above the median level of privilege in this country, so we're lucky. But not all of us. What do you think is going through the mind of, say, a Latino trans person that's the child of first-gen immigrants right now? They have to be shitting their pants and rightfully so. Telling them to suck it up and enjoy the fact that your football team might be pretty good this year is not really something you should be saying to them if you have any sort of empathy rolling around between your ears.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not everyone has the means to do shit about fuck, and people that don't have means certainly don't have time for political advocacy. Even getting themselves/their families moved anywhere is close to impossible unless they have disposable income. And some (you could argue, a lot) of those people belong to classes of people that are actively under attack by this admin. 

If you don't need to be hypervigilant, you're lucky. I'm lucky. You're lucky. Probably most of the people that post here are above the median level of privilege in this country, so we're lucky. But not all of us. What do you think is going through the mind of, say, a Latino trans person that's the child of first-gen immigrants right now? They have to be shitting their pants and rightfully so. Telling them to suck it up and enjoy the fact that your football team might be pretty good this year is not really something you should be saying to them if you have any sort of empathy rolling around between your ears.

What irritates the fuck out of me are people who can’t recognize their own privilege. I recognize my own. I’m educated, have a clinical doctorate, my husband; the same. We make good money and absolutely have choices (I hope) if the day comes that we have to flee. I know there are far more that don’t have the privilege that I have and there are far more that have way more. I fear for and care deeply about those that aren’t able to claim the same advantages that I have. So yeah, football season is fairly low on things that are important to me right now 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Full on Nazi America but hey we get college football next week!

 

 

 

I hear you, but this is peanuts compared to a lot of shit they're doing. add it to the pile, I guess

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The thing is, it’s perfectly fine to still get excited about football or whatever. Nobody is saying you have to stop caring about shit like that. But it’s fucking insane for someone to the left of nazis to tell anyone that they need to stop worrying about the nazis and just watch football.

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15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The thing is, it’s perfectly fine to still get excited about football or whatever. Nobody is saying you have to stop caring about shit like that. But it’s fucking insane for someone to the left of nazis to tell anyone that they need to stop worrying about the nazis and just watch football.

I said get off the internet and stop spinning yourself up. I guess that equates to support the fascists, what was I thinking! 

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Posted
3 hours ago, crash_davis said:

So much #winning

https://www.newsweek.com/us-hits-highest-layoffs-since-covid-2111794

US layoffs surged in July to their highest level since the early months of the COVID-19 pandemic.

In July, there were 62,075 job cuts announced, according to a report by outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas. That's a 29 percent jump from June and 140 percent higher than the 25,885 announced in July 2024.

The July figure is well above the post-pandemic average for the month (23,584 between 2021 and 2024) and slightly higher than the past decade's July average of 60,398. It pushes the 2025 total to 806,383 layoffs—a 75 percent increase compared with the same period last year and already 6 percent higher than all of 2024. It's the highest January-to-July figure since 2020, when pandemic shutdowns drove layoffs above 1.8 million.

The surge in layoffs in 2025 is due to a mix of government downsizing, corporate restructuring and the growing effects of artificial intelligence. Public agencies, tech firms and retailers are leading the cuts.

"We are seeing the federal budget cuts implemented by DOGE impact nonprofits and health care in addition to the government. AI was cited for over 10,000 cuts last month, and tariff concerns have impacted nearly 6,000 jobs this year," said Andrew Challenger, a senior vice president and labor expert at Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

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52 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

holy shit. absolutely ENRAGING!

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Posted
53 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Fucking cops.  He appreciated them not getting chippy with him.  Because getting chippy, well that's just too far while having to listen to this dumbass obviously racist ("your boys" over and over) asshole cop repeat Trump lies and threaten you.  Oh no, sir, we can't get chippy now.

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37 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not everyone has the means to do shit about fuck, and people that don't have means certainly don't have time for political advocacy. Even getting themselves/their families moved anywhere is close to impossible unless they have disposable income. And some (you could argue, a lot) of those people belong to classes of people that are actively under attack by this admin. 

If you don't need to be hypervigilant, you're lucky. I'm lucky. You're lucky. Probably most of the people that post here are above the median level of privilege in this country, so we're lucky. But not all of us. What do you think is going through the mind of, say, a Latino trans person that's the child of first-gen immigrants right now? They have to be shitting their pants and rightfully so. Telling them to suck it up and enjoy the fact that your football team might be pretty good this year is not really something you should be saying to them if you have any sort of empathy rolling around between your ears.

like my dad said...'they aren't talking about people like us.'

 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, immamac said:

I said get off the internet and stop spinning yourself up. I guess that equates to support the fascists, what was I thinking! 

Get off the internet while a city is quite literally illegally seized by the dictator in charge is quite the take. Especially given the open admittance of wanting to seize other cities.

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